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So I ordered my N1 yesterday, and currently have at&t. wasn't too worried about the whole 3g thing, because I figured one of the smart guys here at xda would figure out a way to make it work. After looking in to it further, I realize the hardware just won't allow that. I would just switch to T-mobile, but they have no 3g coverage anywhere near me yet. this brings me to my question. is it worth switching to tmobiles coverage for faster 2g possibly, or in the hopes that they'll soon expand their network. I don't mind getting out of my contract with at&t, tmobiles rates seem to be a lot better. I'm just wondering if anybody has heard anything on T-mobiles future plans.
I think most anecdotal evidence by most users is that EDGE on TMO is much faster than ATT. Why? Even though the "transport" 2G technology is the same, ATT still suffers from not enough bandwidth at its towers for all the heavy 3G areas due to heavy usage. -- In other words, backhaul contention.
Also, the fact that in places where there is no TMO 3G... EDGE works quite well for the very same reason... Even with towers that only have several T1/DS1's in place instead of T3/DS3's or fiber
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Kermee
In NYC, where I have 3G coverage as well, EDGE tops out at 10-15KB/s
hurrycaine3000 said:
So I ordered my N1 yesterday, and currently have at&t. wasn't too worried about the whole 3g thing, because I figured one of the smart guys here at xda would figure out a way to make it work. After looking in to it further, I realize the hardware just won't allow that. I would just switch to T-mobile, but they have no 3g coverage anywhere near me yet. this brings me to my question. is it worth switching to tmobiles coverage for faster 2g possibly, or in the hopes that they'll soon expand their network. I don't mind getting out of my contract with at&t, tmobiles rates seem to be a lot better. I'm just wondering if anybody has heard anything on T-mobiles future plans.
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I personally have ran on EDGE for awhile on tmobile and have never had a problem with wifi while I am at home/school... however the 3g is nice, though my house seems to have 3g signals
its simple business really, though 1 man cannot make a difference... as the company grows, the service grows... verizon has the best service because it has the most customers... i think the reason tmobile has struggled in the US (as opposed to being the number 1 world wide carrier) is because of the lack of appeal from phones... with more phones rolling out and tmobile always having its doors open to unlocked phones i see the company gaining some momentum and it starts with these new android phones making it big as well as now having the fastest network in the nation...
ive had bad experiences with both verizon (contract issues) and att (terrible customer service), tmobile has yet to steer me wrong (other than not giving me an upgrade for the N1 haha)
with that said, try em out, idk if companies still let you trial their service for a week or so but you could ask?
i honestly cant tel a diff between edge and 3 g lol they both are friggin fast as hell
VoLoDaR1 said:
i honestly cant tel a diff between edge and 3 g lol they both are friggin fast as hell
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It all depends on what you're doing Tweeting and reading tweets... probably not so much
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Kermee
are you crazy? 3G is AT LEAST 10+ times as fast as EDGE.
I know on my touch pro using att 3g over edge. they have 3g where I work, but not at my house. so I always just use wifi at my house, but don't bother at work because the 3g is fast enough. I can definetly tell the difference. granted there is wifi almost everywhere these days, but with my touch pro I have to turn it off and on when I'm using it so my battery half makes through a day. It will be nice if the N1's is more of a automatic thing, if that makes sense. I guess if I knew that t Mobile would actually be implementing 3g in my area at all soon, it would be an easier decision, but I haven't found anything to make me think they'll be adding towers in York, PA any time soon.
Im in Dallas TX and just activated my phone. I was worried because people in some forums where saying phone kept switching to 2g. I just activated my phone and its been on 3 out of 4 bars on 3g last 30-40 minutes...I know this is kind of off topic, but thought it was important do to the nature of all the talk about speed on tmobile.
Ok im scared now, i just looked at the USA map on tmobile https://my.t-mobile.com/Plan/CoverageMap.aspx and looks to hardly be any 3g coverage! What! Tell me it aint so!
that's what I'm saying, I want 3g on this phone, but it's just not in my area on tmobile. we've established it's pretty much going to be impossible to get att's to work on this phone. It doesn't look like tmobile has 3g anywhere, atleast not hardly. what to do, what to do.
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Im in Dallas TX and just activated my phone. I was worried because people in some forums where saying phone kept switching to 2g. I just activated my phone and its been on 3 out of 4 bars on 3g last 30-40 minutes...I know this is kind of off topic, but thought it was important do to the nature of all the talk about speed on tmobile.
Ok im scared now, i just looked at the USA map on tmobile https://my.t-mobile.com/Plan/CoverageMap.aspx and looks to hardly be any 3g coverage! What! Tell me it aint so!
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thats called #4 carrier coverage
as for that map, its ancient... the thing has never worked properly and the maps take forever to load yet i wish i could get a decent detailed coverage map for tmobile somewhere...
hurrycaine3000 said:
I know on my touch pro using att 3g over edge. they have 3g where I work, but not at my house. so I always just use wifi at my house, but don't bother at work because the 3g is fast enough. I can definetly tell the difference. granted there is wifi almost everywhere these days, but with my touch pro I have to turn it off and on when I'm using it so my battery half makes through a day. It will be nice if the N1's is more of a automatic thing, if that makes sense. I guess if I knew that t Mobile would actually be implementing 3g in my area at all soon, it would be an easier decision, but I haven't found anything to make me think they'll be adding towers in York, PA any time soon.
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OMG i live in york to lol. ive asked tmobile many times if we'll ever have 3g and they told me december 09 but that never happened. who knows if we'll ever get it. but edge for me on tmobile works good unless u use media functions like youtube and streaming video but its good for web browsing and email
Make sure T-Mobile has EDGE all around your area because I've found that there are many places that don't even have EDGE on T-Mobile and are GRPS only. That being said, I do find that usually T-Mobile EDGE is faster.... The difference is so small that I wouldn't change networks over it though..
I get around 25KB/s or so, which works fine for streaming music and such. This is quite a bit faster than the AT&T users seem to get here.
Yeah you should be happy with what you've got. EDGE isn't amazing but at least with the 900mhz range you've got coverage. I'm not sure about T-mobile US thought but it has to be better than UK. I live in the UK just outside of town with 3 basestations surrounding my house just out of range with 2100 3g and 1800 2g. I can get signal occasionally with my Iphone 3gs, until I touch it...
The coverage is okish but I get Black-spots everywhere; literally, I can walk round the corner away from a basestation and lose signal. I can only use my phone if I'm underneath a basestation and even then the crappy 4.2Mbit/s (It may even be less than that) limited basestations are overloaded. Each user is then further capped at roughly 1.8Mbit/s
That's 3G and above, which I rarely get as I mentioned. When you get 2G you get EDGE. When I get 2G I don't get EDGE, I don't even get 2.5G, I get slower-than-dial-up GPRS which is unusable. None of T-mo UK's basestations are EDGE enabled; with common black-spots and poor 3G reception, this makes for an appalling network. I can't wait to switch to Three UK. Blanket UK 3g coverage with amazing deals: £15/mo rolling contract with 300 mins, unlimited texts, Unlimited (7.2Mbit/s) data. The only problem is they have shockingly bad phones (no problem for me, or so I thought...)
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are you crazy? 3G is AT LEAST 10+ times as fast as EDGE.
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That pretty well sums up the problem with TMUS users.
They have no f***ing clue.
In fact it actually moves slower than EDGE most of the time, until H kicks in and fixes it.
It doesn't happen all of the time, but it happens alot.
Any ideas wtf is going on?
I'm on T-Mobile.
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In fact it actually moves slower than EDGE most of the time, until H kicks in and fixes it.
It doesn't happen all of the time, but it happens alot.
Any ideas wtf is going on?
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ive got an idea...... at&t blows hard!! thats why. same on my end.
leemoss84 said:
ive got an idea...... at&t blows hard!! thats why. same on my end.
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Last test i read, ATT has the fastest 3g. But I'm not on ATT. Forgot to say that XD
mudrock1000 said:
Last test i read, ATT has the fastest 3g. But I'm not on ATT. Forgot to say that XD
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yeah, i dont care what those dumb commercials say, i think verizon is faster, and at&t doesnt even have 3g most places.
leemoss84 said:
yeah, i dont care what those dumb commercials say, i think verizon is faster, and at&t doesnt even have 3g most places.
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Lol naa everyone says they have the fastest 3g. http://www.wirelessandmobilenews.co...roid-fastest-second-runner-says-pc-world.html
Take a look at that. That doesn't make up for the crappy coverage and expensive prices though.
leemoss84 said:
ive got an idea...... at&t blows hard!! thats why. same on my end.
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The N1 isn't even compatible with AT&T 3G, so I don't know how this is relevant.
EDGE is of course pretty slow but I have absolutely no speed problems with 3G on my end - it's quite fast with low latency.
So how slow is crap? I've never seen it move.
mudrock1000 said:
In fact it actually moves slower than EDGE most of the time, until H kicks in and fixes it.
It doesn't happen all of the time, but it happens alot.
Any ideas wtf is going on?
I'm on T-Mobile.
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maybe its where you live.the 3g may suck there.
Maybe...I live in Pueblo Colorado. And according to t-mobile I should be swimming in 3g.
mudrock1000 said:
Maybe...I live in Pueblo Colorado. And according to t-mobile I should be swimming in 3g.
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Have you tried the speedtest.net app? What kind of results do you get?
U might try locking it into 3g... type *#*#4636#*#* with dialer go to phone info, scroll down and check wdma ONLY, save and try again.
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Have you tried the speedtest.net app? What kind of results do you get?
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I'll post as soon as I hit 3g. I really don't get 3g in my small neighborhood alot of times so it could be a while, since all I do is school and my house.
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I'll post as soon as I hit 3g. I really don't get 3g in my small neighborhood alot of times so it could be a while, since all I do is school and my house.
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Doesn't this more or less answer your original question?
I mean if you have that weak of a 3g signal I wouldn't expect it to be very fast.
Honestly in my experience even with just a bar or so, 3G is still quite fast...perhaps there's a lack of backhaul at the tower as well.
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I'll post as soon as I hit 3g. I really don't get 3g in my small neighborhood alot of times so it could be a while, since all I do is school and my house.
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Are you next to the campus? The site there right on campus could be getting loaded down with all the students.
FYI, standard UMTS 3G is only about 100kbps faster than EDGE. Its the HSPA that is fast, so when it takes your phone a second to switch to HSPA, is that when your talking about it being slow? Then its fast once it switchs to HSPA for the data?
Anyone else seeing the slide jumping from E to G to 3G consistently? This may be a local issue (hoping) though, I never had this issue with my Cliq in the same exact areas this is happening (ie; home, work etc)
Nothing debilitating, just weird seeing it jump around so often.
none of that on the 3g slide. 3g holds pretty damn strong here in hawaii.
Mine did, my solution: download anycut from the market, make new short cut activity phone info.. in there switch from wcdma prefered to wcdma only (or gsm only if you want edge instead of 3g) in there you can also turn off your radio there
ah hah! Awesome, thank you
So far so good here in Antioch, California. 3g is stable compared to other phone.
I too have actually seen this happen. All over the place from GPRS to EDGE to 3G then back to GPRS. I haven't seen it get fixed yet from my reboot. I also noticed it gets a little worse reception then I did one my G1.
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I too have actually seen this happen. All over the place from GPRS to EDGE to 3G then back to GPRS. I haven't seen it get fixed yet from my reboot. I also noticed it gets a little worse reception then I did one my G1.
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May it is the place you live in and does not have good 3G coverage
vikramdhani said:
May it is the place you live in and does not have good 3G coverage
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I won't deny that possibility. I live in NJ... it's not the best coverage to start. But my G1 was doing well enough. Still, I'm sure I could do with better coverage for the WCDMA/UMTS
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I won't deny that possibility. I live in NJ... it's not the best coverage to start. But my G1 was doing well enough. Still, I'm sure I could do with better coverage for the WCDMA/UMTS
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The G1 had a great radio. My Nexus One and my new MT3G Slide seem to be a notch below the G1 in terms of pulling in a weak signal. In my office in Cherry Hill, both phones will bounce from 3G to EDGE to "no signal", where the G1 always consistently held a 3G signal.
Hello. Since I buy this phone the signal wile on 3G keeps dropping from 5 bars to 2,5,2,3,2 etc. It does not totally disconnects but the issue is draining my battery because is always trying to get a full signal. Plus wile gaming it gets hot and even when I'm just browsing the web only it gets hot. I want to know if is just me or this is not happening to anyone else. This phone is a week old so I am in my 15 days return.
Doesn't sound as if anything is wrong. If your hand is covering the lower portion of the phone, that is where the cell antennae are and you will see reduced bars. If you set it on a table and the bars are more consistent it is your hand that is attenuating the antenna.
It does get warm when it is working hard.
Solutions Etcetera said:
Doesn't sound as if anything is wrong. If your hand is covering the lower portion of the phone, that is where the cell antennae are and you will see reduced bars. If you set it on a table and the bars are more consistent it is your hand that is attenuating the antenna.
It does get warm when it is working hard.
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Thanks for the quick reply. Another thing is the battery. Why the battery has more Mhz than the iphone 5 but it last less?
Because Apple designs and optimizes everything, from the OS down to the CPU.
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Because Apple designs and optimizes everything, from the OS down to the CPU.
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So basically there is nothing wrong with the hardware of my phone, every issue is just the os for now?
darkdhanil said:
So basically there is nothing wrong with the hardware of my phone, every issue is just the os for now?
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That is my assessment. Nothing seems out of the ordinary based on your description. I have yet to see an Android phone anywhere near as efficient with battery as a modern day iPhone.
Solutions Etcetera said:
That is my assessment. Nothing seems out of the ordinary based on your description. I have yet to see an Android phone anywhere near as efficient with battery as a modern day iPhone.
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Last Questions
Is there any workaround on the signal? Or any help with the drops? Are you getting 3 to 4 signal bars on 3G?
Thanks for your patience.
PS: Yes i notice that i put it on a table and i get full signal bars but when i grab it it start to drop. Even with a bumper on. That sucks lol.
Holding the phone higher up helps some, so that your hand does not cover the antennas at the bottom of the phone.
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Last Questions
Is there any workaround on the signal? Or any help with the drops? Are you getting 3 to 4 signal bars on 3G?
Thanks for your patience.
PS: Yes i notice that i put it on a table and i get full signal bars but when i grab it it start to drop. Even with a bumper on. That sucks lol.
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who do you use for a carrier?
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who do you use for a carrier?
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Is a Puerto Rico carrier called Claro. Basically Verizon since they buy Verizon in here.
darkdhanil said:
Is a Puerto Rico carrier called Claro. Basically Verizon since they buy Verizon in here.
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have you gotten the chance to look up your carriers apn's for your area? it can help with cell reception and data speeds. i use at&t and if i dont configure my apn properly my signal and data suck haha. only 2-3mbps compared to 15-20mbps.
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have you gotten the chance to look up your carriers apn's for your area? it can help with cell reception and data speeds. i use at&t and if i dont configure my apn properly my signal and data suck haha. only 2-3mbps compared to 15-20mbps.
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Yes i have set the apn and still the same. A friend came to my house with the same carrier but using an iphone 5 and he had 3 bars only and i have 5 wile untouched but 3 while grabbing it so i think it is ok then.
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Yes i have set the apn and still the same. A friend came to my house with the same carrier but using an iphone 5 and he had 3 bars only and i have 5 wile untouched but 3 while grabbing it so i think it is ok then.
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yeah could also be how far you are to the nearest cell towers, but your grip on the phone shouldn't make that much of a difference . i've also seen a free app called getril help. it makes your ril(radio interface layer) match your baseband(radio) i've used it in the past when i was playing around with different radios.
good luck dude!
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yeah could also be how far you are to the nearest cell towers, but your grip on the phone shouldn't make that much of a difference . i've also seen a free app called getril help. it makes your ril(radio interface layer) match your baseband(radio) i've used it in the past when i was playing around with different radios.
good luck dude!
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The app says the ril matches. I am sending the phone back to google. I already ordered the replacement. Was thinking that maybe they fixed this internally in the new white one but i'm not taking any chances so i replaced my new black one. BTW I have 7 days with it .
Hi there am new to the Samsung Galaxy s5. I recently bought my phone thru Verizon but decided to go to T-Mobile. I had my phone unlocked and such but ever since doing so I have a "H+" where the 4GLTE usually is. Can anyone explain what this is. Did they miss up something when unlocking the phone. Any help is appreciated Thanks.
azmommaof5 said:
Hi there am new to the Samsung Galaxy s5. I recently bought my phone thru Verizon but decided to go to T-Mobile. I had my phone unlocked and such but ever since doing so I have a "H+" where the 4GLTE usually is. Can anyone explain what this is. Did they miss up something when unlocking the phone. Any help is appreciated Thanks.
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If im not mistaken, Tmobile doesn't offer a true LTE network in some areas.. H+ is their version of high speed data network traffic..
...only heresay...
Really any suggestions on what to do?
OJsakila said:
If im not mistaken, Tmobile doesn't offer a true LTE network in some areas.. H+ is their version of high speed data network traffic..
...only heresay...
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azmommaof5 said:
Really any suggestions on what to do?
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About what? the icon up top? are you having any data difficulties?
Yes the phone runs real slow at times. Am not sure if the guy even unlocked it probably. All he did was change the apn. Is that right. Again am new to this.
azmommaof5 said:
Yes the phone runs real slow at times. Am not sure if the guy even unlocked it probably. All he did was change the apn. Is that right. Again am new to this.
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I'm afraid that in most areas tmobile is substandard compared to Verizon.. and isn't one carrier cdma and the other GSM? where are you geographically? is tmobile the superior carrier in your region... its doubtful..
Chandler Arizona not sure who is more dominanting. How would I find out. We switched because we use a lot of data. Other then that we would've stayed with Verizon.
H+ is fast 3G
Hellscythe said:
H+ is fast 3G
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But not as fast as LTE, right?
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But not as fast as LTE, right?
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Correct.
But H+ (HSPA+) is faster than H (HSDPA) ,G (GPRS) and E (EDGE)
H+ could also indicate dual channel hsdpa which from memory has a limit of 42mb... In the UK many people on dc-hsdpa report speeds of around 20mb which is comparable to many LTE speeds here.
You may not be that different there.
Unless you are downloading large files through your phone, there is very little advantage on a fast data connection, a HD video will stream quite easily on 4 to 5mb