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im not trying too ask if it exists our start a flaming war but im seriously sick of seeing android on hd2 threads pop up like almost every day I mean come on dont be lazy search when there is android on hd2 it will be posted on xda-developers.com
no need to make this thread , ;..; ,
yes there is. so people will come to this and see it before they make a thread asking since their too lazy to search.
So you are sick of seeing noew threads come up about Android on the HD2 poping up daily............
What you didn't see one come up today so you thought it would be a good idea to make one? I mean really what was the point of this post other then being an ignorant troll?
Wil Badger said:
So you are sick of seeing noew threads come up about Android on the HD2 poping up daily............
What you didn't see one come up today so you thought it would be a good idea to make one? I mean really what was the point of this post other then being an ignorant troll?
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And yet you replied to it ......
(that was not intended to sound as insulting as it does, just saying he got ya, and now me .... )
Don't Feed The Trolls!!
actually yes ones been posted today and i'm sick of seeing it and if it's gonna get posted every day i'd rather post one so people will be attracted to this thread and so they can see it's not happening anytime soon.
Oh great another useless thread, threads like this annoy everyone just as much as "android on my hd2" threads annoy you.
The reason people don't search is becuase it's far simpler to just make a new thread so having a thread that just says "use the search button" is not going to stop them
no people are just too lazy to search. argue with me then prove it. go search for something you have a small problem even as small as it is I guarantee you will find it. I have searched and found everything I have needed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=631069
Searching before posting is supposed to be a rule on here... Maybe the mods should come down a little harder on Android threads seeing how everyone's getting a little bit sick of them appearing each and every day... I still love this forum but I think it's falling victim to the HD2's success to a certain extent as you never used to see so many duplicate threads on the Trinity or Diamond forums (where people probably took the time to search more).
Thats exactly what I'm saying man. The threads just sit and collect replies and replies and die and then someone just posts another one. It takes up alot of threads that are really useful and I"m tired of having to go to sometimes 7 pages before I see all the important threads.
It's a little bit out of control and it's an outrage. Noobs don't listen to the mods on making pointless posts
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Thats exactly what I'm saying man. The threads just sit and collect replies and replies and die and then someone just posts another one. It takes up alot of threads that are really useful and I"m tired of having to go to sometimes 7 pages before I see all the important threads.
It's a little bit out of control and it's an outrage. Noobs don't listen to the mods on making pointless posts
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So you started another one ... that is taking up my time ... geez look at me, it is like an addiction cannot ignore the damn things .....
sherlockpwnz said:
im not trying too ask if it exists our start a flaming war but im seriously sick of seeing android on hd2 threads pop up like almost every day I mean come on dont be lazy search when there is android on hd2 it will be posted on xda-developers.com
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SPAMMER...
You cried about them asking all the time - and you just created another thread talking about it??? That my friend is called SPAMMING!!!!
sorry to say, this is one hell of a pointless thread, and the idea of it is full of contradictions. sorry OP!
the OP created this thread, mentioning in the first post that people don't search (which may very well be true).
given the first assumption, the OP is justifying the creation of the thread with the motive that "people looking for android will come to this thread". dude! how will they come to find this thread if they are incapable of searching in the first place?
a thread to attract those interested in android development for the HD2 already exists...it has been STICKIED in the ROM development section. a stickied thread about the topic doesn't seem to deter the noobs from asking about it...how can this new thread be any more successful at minimizing the clutter?
here you can read more about our beloved new version of Android, version 2.3!
sooo, im' asking you, how long do you think it will take to our developers to have it running smoothly on leo?
How the hell should we know ???
There are so many devs on xda for HD2 it's just a race now lol.
Is the SDK downloadable already?
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There are so many devs on xda for HD2 it's just a race now lol.
Is the SDK downloadable already?
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Yup!
10char
I already gave infinitybiff the system.img from the 2.3 sdk. So, soon people!
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OMG Ur Really Asking a Dumb question
It Will Take As Long As Xda Developers will take dont worry about it and let them do their hobbie(they arent getting paid for it) and eventually we will get it this thread will most likey jst pressure them more
Why Flame Just because someone asks a question?
I read these boards daily and I just have to comment on this one. Why do people who are using this forum so opinionated? Meaning, why don't you provide some positive comments rather than some smart ass remarks like the two people who just posted. If you don't like what someone has posted, ignore it. Especially when you are on your second posting and already you are a smart ass. This is a forum that people use to gather info, post info and try to help each other. Now, if your posting helps, then great. Otherwise, please try to be civil.
JMHO!
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I read these boards daily and I just have to comment on this one. Why do people who are using this forum so opinionated? Meaning, why don't you provide some positive comments rather than some smart ass remarks like the two people who just posted. If you don't like what someone has posted, ignore it. Especially when you are on your second posting and already you are a smart ass. This is a forum that people use to gather info, post info and try to help each other. Now, if your posting helps, then great. Otherwise, please try to be civil.
JMHO!
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Agreed. =)
Love the post - but even better love the post before this one as shown on the screenshot... while asking this question and wondering, 20-25 minutes before the question was asked there is posted extracted img file of GingerDude ... I know it's not complete build but you can imagine since this fast extraction worked - Leo is gonna have gingerdude very very soon :L)
doubts this heavily
can't we wait till it is actually on a device like the n1 first and not just dumped from an emulator instead? also do we need 10 million threads of the same thing?
Gingerbread has not been released for any current device. why don't we just wait till there is a n1 release and then we can have at it?
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Agreed It wasn't pleasant when I start asking questions and I got sent to the "Box-of-silence" for "spilling-the-milk"...
asctony said:
I read these boards daily and I just have to comment on this one. Why do people who are using this forum so opinionated? Meaning, why don't you provide some positive comments rather than some smart ass remarks like the two people who just posted. If you don't like what someone has posted, ignore it. Especially when you are on your second posting and already you are a smart ass. This is a forum that people use to gather info, post info and try to help each other. Now, if your posting helps, then great. Otherwise, please try to be civil.
JMHO!
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Finally someone said it. Completely agree
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domineus said:
doubts this heavily
can't we wait till it is actually on a device like the n1 first and not just dumped from an emulator instead? also do we need 10 million threads of the same thing?
Gingerbread has not been released for any current device. why don't we just wait till there is a n1 release and then we can have at it?
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If people do not like multiple threads, complainers, then why contribute to them by taking up space and jabbering comments? Kinda contradicktory; if the DEVS don't like it then they'll delete it, simple.
asctony said:
I read these boards daily and I just have to comment on this one. Why do people who are using this forum so opinionated? Meaning, why don't you provide some positive comments rather than some smart ass remarks like the two people who just posted. If you don't like what someone has posted, ignore it. Especially when you are on your second posting and already you are a smart ass. This is a forum that people use to gather info, post info and try to help each other. Now, if your posting helps, then great. Otherwise, please try to be civil.
JMHO!
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+1 ...i totally agree. some get ignorant for no reason. it's like they try to belittle others.try to sound one step smarter than the next person..and for what? what do you gain? i also hate when someone takes advantage of the post system and talks down to someone with less posts.
just because one has less posts then another doesn't mean they know any less. it just means they recently joined this forum. doesn't mean they are noobs.
2.3
Correct me if I am wrong here but since 2.3 is a revision of 2.2 wouldn't it be a case of just updating the kernel and booting away??
Eg relatively minor work compared to the whole getting android on to HD2 in the first place.
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Love the post - but even better love the post before this one as shown on the screenshot... while asking this question and wondering, 20-25 minutes before the question was asked there is posted extracted img file of GingerDude ... I know it's not complete build but you can imagine since this fast extraction worked - Leo is gonna have gingerdude very very soon :L)
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Oh hell yeah. Saw this earlier, but didnt even realise that it was my post that you were talking about. Biff has already tried to start booting, but no luck yet. Motoman and M-deejay are on it as well.
geez you guys i post a topic and ofcourse some "smart" people who don't get the question ansewr as harsh as they can just to prove their "i'm a big important guy".
the question i posted was majorly mistaken as i tried to be retoric. to those who still don't get it better question could be "how long do you think our developers will need to get gingerbread working, share your thoughts!"
as i'm long time member of this site i can now perfectly see why some newbie users are afraid of asking and rather pay for complete tut how to get android workin on ebay and similar.
such big site should be open to new users because they can become potential developers (they get into it and get addicted...).
i know that flaming will still exist nomather what i write here, but, atleast if you can, answer to the new users, make good tutorials, suggest stickies to mods! this will keep our train rollin.
noone is born smart, you learn(ed) every and each thing you "smartasses" know and probably didn't just fall off the sky. you asked. so respect that!
EDIT: mods can now close this thread as gingerbread is working according to our hero darkstone!!
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geez you guys i post a topic and ofcourse some "smart" people who don't get the question ansewr as harsh as they can just to prove their "i'm a big important guy".
the question i posted was majorly mistaken as i tried to be retoric. to those who still don't get it better question could be "how long do you think our developers will need to get gingerbread working, share your thoughts!"
as i'm long time member of this site i can now perfectly see why some newbie users are afraid of asking and rather pay for complete tut how to get android workin on ebay and similar.
such big site should be open to new users because they can become potential developers (they get into it and get addicted...).
i know that flaming will still exist nomather what i write here, but, atleast if you can, answer to the new users, make good tutorials, suggest stickies to mods! this will keep our train rollin.
noone is born smart, you learn(ed) every and each thing you "smartasses" know and probably didn't just fall off the sky. you asked. so respect that!
EDIT: mods can now close this thread as gingerbread is working according to our hero darkstone!!
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to stirkac>
absolutely agree..
long time ago i discover this forum with my first HTC Universal in my hand..and i love it here..
now with hd2 i learned so much about wm year by year.. so at this time i am ADDICTED full respect to devs and newebies booth is needed to keep this in friendly and going forward continuum.. i reply rarely but this is "must" quick reply salute to all members.. be friendly and helping each other.
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absolutely agree..
long time ago i discover this forum with my first HTC Universal in my hand..and i love it here..
now with hd2 i learned so much about wm year by year.. so at this time i am ADDICTED full respect to devs and newebies booth is needed to keep this in friendly and going forward continuum.. i reply rarely but this is "must" quick reply salute to all members.. be friendly and helping each other.
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thanks and respect to you! also includes deadmansink's post
hi all friend,
It's my first time on HTC HD T-Mobile.
I'm not able to find the right topic about installing the 3 OS in HTC HD2
I would like to install 3 OS together in my phone by backup the existing win 6.5 OS
OS are :
The Stable android 2.2
Window Mobile 7
Customized Window 6.5.x
Would you please guide me the right topic ?
Thanks
Jame2d
Not Possible. Wrong section.
Try search
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Firstly, you cant run all 3 OS's, You can run combinations of 2 like WP7 on NAND and Android on SD or Android on both NAND and SD or WM6.5 on NAND and Android on SD.
Second, how on earth does this look like a questions forum?? In future post your questions in the Q&A forum.
Third, you obviously havent even spent 2 minutes looking at forum titles or reading the guides so before you start asking loads of questions everywhere do yourself a favor and do some reading, lazyness is not tolerated here and frowned upon.
So, how do we get the OP banned for life? Clearly posts like this will continue if we don't cure (ban) the OP asap.
Thanks
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Firstly, you cant run all 3 OS's, You can run combinations of 2 like WP7 on NAND and Android on SD or Android on both NAND and SD or WM6.5 on NAND and Android on SD.
Second, how on earth does this look like a questions forum?? In future post your questions in the Q&A forum.
Third, you obviously havent even spent 2 minutes looking at forum titles or reading the guides so before you start asking loads of questions everywhere do yourself a favor and do some reading, lazyness is not tolerated here and frowned upon.
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Thanks.......
I just wonder how it...
Six6Sicks said:
So, how do we get the OP banned for life? Clearly posts like this will continue if we don't cure (ban) the OP asap.
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Relax... its not a big deal. He asked a question. No need to ban... that's ridiculous.
To op... we can't triboot all 3 os's yet, but hopefully soon cotulla will release a sd bootable version of winmo6.5, at which point we can have wp7 on nand, and android and wm65 on sd card. So it'll probably just be a matter of time.
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too upset
zarathustrax said:
Relax... its not a big deal. He asked a question. No need to ban... that's ridiculous.
To op... we can't triboot all 3 os's yet, but hopefully soon cotulla will release a sd bootable version of winmo6.5, at which point we can have wp7 on nand, and android and wm65 on sd card. So it'll probably just be a matter of time.
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Thanks guy... that's a Good answesr and best Guru ...
Six6Sicks said:
So, how do we get the OP banned for life? Clearly posts like this will continue if we don't cure (ban) the OP asap.
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Relax... its not a big deal. He asked a question. No need to ban... that's ridiculous.
Sent from my HTC bravo using XDA App
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It's good to see that not all the friendly, helpful people have left XDA just yet. I was starting to despair, this used to be a place where newbies could come to ask questions without fear of ridicule no matter how naive the request. Thanx zarathustrax for restoring my faith in XDA.
We at XDA ARE still friendly to n00bs with actual, legitimate questions. People like this OP that don't take the time to read ANYTHING are the people that we don't like. It's all about the reading folks. There really aren't that many things left about the HD2 that we don't know about, and a simple search will almost always result with the information that you need.
ashasaur said:
We at XDA ARE still friendly to n00bs with actual, legitimate questions. People like this OP that don't take the time to read ANYTHING are the people that we don't like. It's all about the reading folks. There really aren't that many things left about the HD2 that we don't know about, and a simple search will almost always result with the information that you need.
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All this info can be confusing to someone new to this... someone seeing the hd2 forum showing that the hd2 can run all these OS's, and seeing all this stuff about dualbooting and tri-booting when you include ubuntu... a search would probably bring back a variety of threads about dualbooting and tribooting. Even posts out there talking about the possibility of running all 3 OS's once the sd version of wm65 is released. All this information can be quite overwhelming to someone new and can be difficult to sort through and figure out. There is no need to talk about banning the poster or saying you don't like the poster because he didn't know what was possible and he asked a question in the wrong section.
Considering we may be able to run all 3 OS's on our HD2s possibly very soon, I don't think the question is that out of line... it probably should be in a Q&A section, but all the Q&A sections are for specific OS's, so that makes it hard to figure out what section this question should have been posted in, especially for a noobie. All that needed to be said was that it's not possible yet, but that it will probably be possible soon. Then the thread would have died and would have been out of your site.
martint235 said:
It's good to see that not all the friendly, helpful people have left XDA just yet. I was starting to despair, this used to be a place where newbies could come to ask questions without fear of ridicule no matter how naive the request. Thanx zarathustrax for restoring my faith in XDA.
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Yes.... hope all of you more friendly for the newbies ...
XDA is the forum for developer and also Non-Developer to visit ...
Take this forum more easier and information and also provide them more answer...
as XDA is Best Mobile Resource in the world right now...
Jame2d
I'm a newbie from Cambodia, Angkor wat..
zarathustrax said:
All this info can be confusing to someone new to this... someone seeing the hd2 forum showing that the hd2 can run all these OS's,...
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That's the right one..
Actually the newbie will have a hard time to read all the topic and consider which one is the best way to go...
imagine if you are the newbie or non-developer and the first time you visit xda forum ... what you should do ?...
Jame2d
jame_2d said:
That's the right one..
Actually the newbie will have a hard time to read all the topic and consider which one is the best way to go...
imagine if you are the newbie or non-developer and the first time you visit xda forum ... what you should do ?...
Jame2d
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I first came here after a google search looking for an app for a T-Mobile MDA Comapct III (HTC P3300). I had no idea about flashing ROMs or anything. I found the app and also noticed other apps that were useful.
After a good read on the ROM flashing, I decided to flash a ROM. It worked fine, but some of the aspects of the ROM I didn't like. So I tried another and another until I was happy. Then I did more reading and did some very basic tweaks.
This phone has been not used for a couple of years, until about a month ago. I again had a read about the latest ROMs and flashed one, didn't like it so I flashed another - which I quite like the look of. I added TomTom and downloaded the free city map. Now this phone is used as a backup in my car and also as a tracker if my car was to be stolen.
Dudes, I'm all for arguing but your going a bit too far.
Recently I've seen more than plenty of people getting pissed at newbies because they ask a commonly asked question.
They don't call them newbies because they know everything I just want you to take it a bit easier on them.
Who knows that newbie might be the next Dev that amazes us.
I'm sure most of you weren't treated like **** when you first joined and asked a question or made a error...
Just calm down and remember their new and they will learn.
Thanks
P.s. I hope I don't sound like a hippie.
+1!!
Sent from Bionix powered vibrant! If I helped, hit the thanks button!
it's not really new. it's been like that in the vibrant section since i started coming to it back in like june....
but i agree.
You have some good points! At the same time some of the frustration people have on here is that people or newbies don't use yhe search option.
They go and asked the same question that was asked a page back or so!
The newbies are getting more and more lazy and aren't doing enough research before they ask a question!
I'm not an expert at any of this stuff, but when I got started with all this flashing stuff last year I did my homework are researched everything I could before I did my first flash!
If I had a question or even today when I have a question I make sure I browse the tread to see if I find the answer or use the search option before I go posting it for the 100th time!
Just my 2¢!
Rockin that Bionix V 1.2 w/ Androdena V4
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it's not really new. it's been like that in the vibrant section since i started coming to it back in like june....
but i agree.
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The interwebz has always been this way. You should of seen the G1 forums back on the day. I have noticed recently though that this happens when the natives get restless... aka: there are no new Roms or updates to flash and/or ppl check the forums way tooooo much and so it turns into the state we have now.
This will never end just to let you know. PMs and reporting post work wonders.
Know this. It isnt just these threads for this forum.
Its Apart of life and people get very fustrated with it. Case in point I had a guy call me at work and ask me how to work his computer.
Its people like this customer that make my head hurt.
He then proceed's to ask me how to get internet.
I say sir you must call att or timewarner or who ever can provide internet to you.
He then says " cant I just sign up over the internet with a credit card"
I think to myself "how in the hell are you going to sign up for internet over the internet when you do not have internet.
point of this is 1) its funny! 2) I get how you feel I use to get very fustrated with this sight. Some people just do not read or comprehend what we do. Other times I am just as dumb as they are.
xriderx66 said:
Dudes, I'm all for arguing but your going a bit too far.
Recently I've seen more than plenty of people getting pissed at newbies because they ask a commonly asked question.
They don't call them newbies because they know everything I just want you to take it a bit easier on them.
Who knows that newbie might be the next Dev that amazes us.
I'm sure most of you weren't treated like **** when you first joined and asked a question or made a error...
Just calm down and remember their new and they will learn.
Thanks
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You have some good points! At the same time some of the frustration people have on here is that people or newbies don't use yhe search option.
They go and asked the same question that was asked a page back or so!
The newbies are getting more and more lazy and aren't doing enough research before they ask a question!
I'm not an expert at any of this stuff, but when I got started with all this flashing stuff last year I did my homework are researched everything I could before I did my first flash!
If I had a question or even today when I have a question I make sure I browse the tread to see if I find the answer or use the search option before I go posting it for the 100th time!
Just my 2¢!
Rockin that Bionix V 1.2 w/ Androdena V4
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Both points, have hit the marks!
I started to search for the newbie's and just post them as answers to people that are new to this.
But if i don't have the time of my life (I have a family too, and i'm damn old for this, lol), then I would just answer but with a courteous and politely tell them to search next time.
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The interwebz has always been this way. You should of seen the G1 forums back on the day. I have noticed recently though that this happens when the natives get restless... aka: there are no new Roms or updates to flash and/or ppl check the forums way tooooo much and so it turns into the state we have now.
This will never end just to let you know. PMs and reporting post work wonders.
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LOL, yeah, G1 days was...umm... let's just say, it was 'busy'. Shoot, the Symbian forums in the olden days was the same. People pester me with updates and crap, and making this change, and do that.... Oy.
I agree with All~G1, sometimes there are 'certain users' who can't take a joke, or too serious, or just plain jerk. So those I do report to Mods and it does work wonders...
The problem is that people expect everyone else to take time to help them but don't take anytime to help themselves (ie, searching for a solution before asking for one)
Ill admit I'm a noob to the android bit but to the tech or fourm world but iv learned in my years the google and forum search are your best friends when learnong something new that's how I found this site. However I have noticed that some threads on here may have 1000+ replys and the forum search here as with most boards don't always put you close to the answer you need so and I can see how other noobs who really arnt familuar with forums like this could find it overwhelimg trying to go through that amount of posts
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Like any forum, search is your friend. You have a problem? First search and check stickies before asking. Them are the laws of the internets plain and simple. I'm not the most educated when it comes to android, but I try and answer questions the best I can to help out. When I see pages 1,2 and three of general chat all asking for help about kies update to 2.2, I get pissed too.
I think vibrant members are on the nicer side of the spectrum.
I understand using search isn't that hard, but new users may not be familiar to vbulletin forums and search feautures, but yes most of them don't even bother.
i went from stock 2.1 to rooted 2.2 flagship v4 just by using the search button. getting pissed might be going a bit far, but they do deserve a good jerkin!
I highly doubt a newbie or n00b who expects everything handed to him and his phone to be automagically rooted and flashed with roms will be the next greatest developer and i haven't even heard anyone be called a newbie ever in any forum but i get where your coming from
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I highly doubt a newbie or n00b who expects everything handed to him and his phone to be automagically rooted and flashed with roms will be the next greatest developer and i haven't even heard anyone be called a newbie ever in any forum but i get where your coming from
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Lol automagically... i'm writing that one down
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P.s. I hope I don't sound like a hippie.
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A little bit but you are right, I don't know why but the Vibrant crowd get REALLY rough and terse...... people need to show some compassion.........we were all newbies at one time........ good post
Search really isn't that hard. I've been flashing roms on here since Bionix 4 for 2.1 and I never did so until I read the stickies and did research. It's sad that they're not used as much as they should be and it's even sadder that in this day and age, searching key phrases for specific information is still comparable to college level calculus for many internet users.
Sent from my Bionix-V powered Samsung Vibrant that I customized by actually using search intelligently and never cluttering threads. Imagine that!
i haven't been around here for so long but i already know how devs and the experienced get so easily pissed at noob questions. i refrain myself from asking questions AT LEAST in dev threads unless it's absolutely necessary and my googling and searching forums wouldn't give me any clues.
i think devs must have been pretty passionate and must have offered to help, but with growing number of noobs-not all noobs- throwing dumb questions, making threads run hundreds of pages, i understand being passionate no longer is possible
Is there a newbie or beginner section? I think I looked at the xda forum a year ago and it just overwhelmed me at one point where I just didn't care about rooting. Then I met the samsung vibrant and it frustrated me to no end where I had to start reading up a little bit.
Well I know XDA its ment for developers.. And they are kind enough to share their hard work with us.. Bringing new life to our devices and more..
Developers always gets piss off about stupid question and or issues reports without providing a logcat... While I'm agree with this.. I'm not agree with XDA letting average noob post in development section.. Looking at the nature of the forum I can not believe there's isn't a way to block a person from posting in development if that person at least doesn't have (3 months and 350 post) in the forums... That's Imho a reasonable period of learning how to be helpful and provide useful information in development area...
I look at the case of Francisco Franco.. I really enjoy his works and support him a lot.. I had his kernels when I had a Gnex and that + cm9 was the best experience of Android for me.. Then I've sold the gnex and bought the note and one of the reasons I came without thinking was franco kernels does support note.. For my surprise he stopped supporting because of the ****ing trolls about a bluetooth issue in the kernel and so we all rest has to pay for it not haven updates anymore...
Recently he came back and one of the very first welcome post was a random noob asking for the bluetooth again. ... And Ffs I don't want to lose Francisco support again... And he was very clear about it..
I think XDA SHOULD block as I said earlier users with the double conditional of (3 month old account and 350 post) from writing on development.. They could read and download but not write..
Any user with those conditions not only be experienced enough to provide a logcat but will be scared of messing in development because he could get banned and lose his hard work in the account.....
That said I think there is no excuses to do so.. Look also to Entropy... I think the guy gotta buy a new keyboard every day raging at Noobs posting bs in cm9/10 developed threads..
XDA go ahead and take actions before we lose our developers
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Wisdom strong in this post is. Franco is a really good developer and I'm sad he left Note. He used to develop for my old Huawei before he left for GNex and his kernel rocked. :thumbup:
But... One shouldn't take the regular forum trolls too seriously. Just leave them crying in their own **** and move own. There is also the report function here.
I agree with you though that there is way too much idiots in the development forums. Just look at the new JB PA 1.1 thread: couple of first pages just full of posts "how do I install this?" "does this brick my phone!?" etc. So annoying to find the actual bug reports or feedbacks through all the ****. This is because people are way too lazy to actually study anything these days. Everything has to brought to them ready and chewed.
Edit: and there is also this one hero that already bricked his note with JB PA because he didn't care to study stuff before flashing. :banghead:
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Just report their posts. The mods are also sick of it and are handing out infractions, IIRC. I have yet to see a noob post again after reporting him, so it works very well.
It seems the original dev section doesn't have the 10 post requirement like the normal dev section. And most spam is from people with one or a few posts. It would definitely help to have that 10 post rule there.
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Just report their posts. The mods are also sick of it and are handing out infractions, IIRC. I have yet to see a noob post again after reporting him, so it works very well.
It seems the original dev section doesn't have the 10 post requirement like the normal dev section. And most spam is from people with one or a few posts. It would definitely help to have that 10 post rule there.
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We can report.. But that won't stop the developer getting pissed and stopping development..
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I don't think post count is a good indicator at all: There are ppl. with 1000+ posts posting general rants in device specific forums...
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I don't think post count is a good indicator at all: There are ppl. with 1000+ posts posting general rants in device specific forums...
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Tbh there should be a read count for how many threads someone has read. :beer: That would just be a little hard to measure.
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I certainly agree on you with this one. But like in every other forum and the whole internet, you can't really prevent noobs and trolls. Trolls gotta troll man. Kinda hard to filter them out as it will require the mods to check every single day on every single thread with thousands of post on it and obviously that will take full time. Most of us specially moderators do this for a hobby.
Let's just do our part to make the community a better place. That is reporting trolls. Like the other guy said on the 2nd post, let's just click on that little report button and the mods will take care of the rest or you can just ignore the regular forum troll and move on like most of us do. An old internet saying "Don't feed the trolls" ignore them and the average forum troll will just hunt for the next trollable thread and will eventually get tired, while the persistent ones, well let's just keep on clicking the report button and wait for the banhammer to land
The post requirement or the tenureship in the forum is a fantastic idea though. Maybe even the thanks meter/level, like you could post even if you're not 3 months old or don't have 350 posts but if you do have a certain thanks level/meter you could post and access the restricted area of the forums. No one would press the thanks button if you didn't post something useful right?
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I don't think post count is a good indicator at all: There are ppl. with 1000+ posts posting general rants in device specific forums...
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put categories as "devs" and restrict allowed posts to those people only. then cross referrence the thread to a discussion page for noobs and others to bash each other.
those who wish to post in the dev section should provide a fully working firmware for downloads and testing purposes for the ones designated as "testers" on xda.
i know its a lot of work, but its a solution if the admin will put the political will to it.
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Well I know XDA its ment for developers.. And they are kind enough to share their hard work with us.. Bringing new life to our devices and more..
Developers always gets piss off about stupid question and or issues reports without providing a logcat... While I'm agree with this.. I'm not agree with XDA letting average noob post in development section.. Looking at the nature of the forum I can not believe there's isn't a way to block a person from posting in development if that person at least doesn't have (3 months and 350 post) in the forums... That's Imho a reasonable period of learning how to be helpful and provide useful information in development area...
I look at the case of Francisco Franco.. I really enjoy his works and support him a lot.. I had his kernels when I had a Gnex and that + cm9 was the best experience of Android for me.. Then I've sold the gnex and bought the note and one of the reasons I came without thinking was franco kernels does support note.. For my surprise he stopped supporting because of the ****ing trolls about a bluetooth issue in the kernel and so we all rest has to pay for it not haven updates anymore...
Recently he came back and one of the very first welcome post was a random noob asking for the bluetooth again. ... And Ffs I don't want to lose Francisco support again... And he was very clear about it..
I think XDA SHOULD block as I said earlier users with the double conditional of (3 month old account and 350 post) from writing on development.. They could read and download but not write..
Any user with those conditions not only be experienced enough to provide a logcat but will be scared of messing in development because he could get banned and lose his hard work in the account.....
That said I think there is no excuses to do so.. Look also to Entropy... I think the guy gotta buy a new keyboard every day raging at Noobs posting bs in cm9/10 developed threads..
XDA go ahead and take actions before we lose our developers
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Although you have a point here i really don't like the idea. Ok we need to restrict the troll posts but..... once you were a noob too !!!! What we see now is that this site has grown to numbers never seen before. In the early days there were only a handfull users, a few devices and not much to do. Nowadays if you have a problem EVERYBODY refers to this forum from other places. So basicly we have a flood of new, unexperienced, people that just have one big problem: THEY DON'T READ!!!! I've been a member for a long time now, learned a lot just by reading and only post when i think it's usefull to the comunity. Even after all this time i still sometimes ask questions like a noob, should i be blocked???
There is one solution for this problem: NOT allowing to post untill they have at least read a few posts MARKED as an obligation. But i don't think it's possible.
What we see here is the growing of a forum with soo many devices and people, i think about a year or two this will stabelize :laugh::laugh::laugh:
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Sometimes the trolls you are referring to are actually innocent noobs who are afraid of bricking their new Notes. They just want to double check some crucial things before attempting risky procedures.
Were we not all noobs at one point in our lives?
I know both trolls and noobs can be really frustrating but many of the members here can be quite impatient, responding rudely and degrading the once-friendly community.
I do agree with you though and I definitely think changes need to be made to ensure the development thread remains strictly development related. But I also think changes should be made to some members attitude too.
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put categories as "devs" and restrict allowed posts to those people only. then cross referrence the thread to a discussion page for noobs and others to bash each other.
those who wish to post in the dev section should provide a fully working firmware for downloads and testing purposes for the ones designated as "testers" on xda.
i know its a lot of work, but its a solution if the admin will put the political will to it.
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I abandoned a forum in my country due to "laws /rules" like that. Things were just getting out of proportion that it is impossible to help people there. Unfortunatly the mods over there think that they are god and if you make a reference about this forum or about rooting you will get banned !!!! I don't think that it's the future of this forum..
Restrict some topics to people that have more then xx months or xx posts will help. But i don't think it's possible to do. And what a bout people like me, i only read here, learn and do not post often. I don't have time to make a rom or custom firmware and come here for leasure ??? Am i elegible for seeing everything...... As you see it is very hard to make the choise about who can have full accesws and who doesn't.
becosemsaida
Write on development section thread should have some restriction.
And thank meter is one good criteria (just being member since long/posting just certain number of post dont make skilled)
if member have at least 10-20 thank meter he/she must have some skill and may not post noob Q.
There is always Q/A section is open for newbies.
this needs to be said.....
i have to call you out on this. The OP has been posting bizarre and rambling questions in DEV threads, getting all pissed off when ppl ask him not too, and has even admitted to not wanting to bother reading the thread because he is not that stupid.
It is people LIKE YOU that are bringing this place down.
If you cant be bothered searching or reading, you DO NOT BELONG on a development website. end of story.
If you want to make your phone look pretty to impress your mates, go some place else. XDA is all about the journey - the end result is not so important. its about trying things yourself and sharing knowledge. If you are just lucky enough, you might even be able to help someone out!
do not come here to whinge and flame others when you break the rules (do NOT post in a dev thread if it is not directly related to the development of that thread).
Also, you have to wonder how a user of 4 months has over 1000 posts, and some members have been here for years with only 500 posts.....
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Sometimes the trolls you are referring to are actually innocent noobs who are afraid of bricking their new Notes. They just want to double check some crucial things before attempting risky procedures.
Were we not all noobs at one point in our lives?
I know both trolls and noobs can be really frustrating but many of the members here can be quite impatient, responding rudely and degrading the once-friendly community.
I do agree with you though and I definitely think changes need to be made to ensure the development thread remains strictly development related. But I also think changes should be made to some members attitude too.
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So? When I was uncertain about something I posted it in either the general or Q/A section. Why the hell should anyone be posting questions in the dev section?
And no, despite contrary belief, some people are newbies, some people are noobs. Not everyone used to be a noob. There is a massive void between the two. A newbie is one that is self-learning and is capable of exercising some semblance of common sense with regards to forum rules and forum etiquette when he joins a new forum.
So please, if you want to consider yourself a noob at one point, go right ahead. But do not make sweeping statements that everyone was a noob.
trolls and noobs should rot in hell
as for noobs,reading and jesus saves....
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So? When I was uncertain about something I posted it in either the general or Q/A section. Why the hell should anyone be posting questions in the dev section?
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And I completely agree with you. So why are you being all pissy about it?
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And no, despite contrary belief, some people are newbies, some people are noobs. Not everyone used to be a noob. There is a massive void between the two. A newbie is one that is self-learning and is capable of exercising some semblance of common sense with regards to forum rules and forum etiquette when he joins a new forum.
So please, if you want to consider yourself a noob at one point, go right ahead. But do not make sweeping statements that everyone was a noob.
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Well clearly my definition of a noob/n00b/newb/newbie is different to yours. So I apologise if my "sweeping statement" offended you (and/or anyone else).
Are we not fighting for the same thing here?
Gee fricken wizz.
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I think XDA SHOULD block as I said earlier users with the double conditional of (3 month old account and 350 post) from writing on development.. They could read and download but not write..
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I think XDA should do nothing here.
There are no real reasons to rage at some users posts.
There's nothing SO bad about it.
You can always press 'report' button if some super-mega-trolls come to your thread (I haven't seen any yet)
As for me, XDA community is currently not so friendly as it should be.
Devs raging at most of the posts, advanced users trolling noobs...
That's really not so nice.
Blocking users with small post count or small thanks count, etc is unacceptable in my opinion. Really.
Maybe XDA is meant for developers, but developers can't exist without users they are developing for.
Here is Example, why we should need some control
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=29501802&postcount=91
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upgrades to lrk from lrg yesterday. No issues with deep sleep in both 404 version. Battery lasts more than a day. I am a very heavy user. I am satisfied with the performance, battery consumption.
I always factory reset after flashing a rom. You can do that but at your own risk. I am aware of the brick bug but i have don't at least till 40 times on stock kernel and no issues so far.
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jaskiratsingh said:
I have factory reset over 40 times on stock ICS kernel and no issue so far.
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That's not a noob issue.............This is just a person that is STUPID !!!!!!!!!!!
I already called his atention but that is going to be a full days work with all these............ (glup)
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That's not a noob issue.............This is just a person that is STUPID !!!!!!!!!!!
I already called his atention but that is going to be a full days work with all these............ (glup)
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This I agree, sometimes it's not that they're noob, it's that they're kiasu, as we Singaporeans call it. They spam devs with stupid questions, since it's free to ask anyway, and expect people to be free 24/7 to reply.
Also, many devs hate XDA. Because much dev work is not being appreciated here. In the Acer Iconia A500 section, both devs "Thor2002pro" and "dexter_nlb" have made amazing contributions to the community, but many *******s don't appreciate what they have done. They have left subsequently.
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