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My Own Testing on all these roms...

Ever since i got my hands on an Android i been testing like crazy looking for that perfect rom. Not until recently cyanogens roms were a nightmare for me. Btw, i have a mytouch 3G black T-mobile USA version. I have it loaded with the RAv1.4 or is it RAv1.2, anyway the cyanogen and many other roms ( i suspect its the SPL) have a screen lit problem. after i put the phone to sleep, when it wakes up it has the big black blur. Cyanogen recently fixed it! and his roms have been awesome until the last release. No more tethering, no more apps like that one fabolous task killer app with the blue icon. Once again im sure there is good reasoning..
I dont need smart ass replies or answers to anything i read above. this thread is for others like me that just want to kno which rom is awesome for their phone. like me, they dont want to click thru every single release thread with 10,000 pages. lets get it started with one that im loving!
1) RaiderX303 Micro Hero v2.0
Everything is FAST AND SMOOTH
No "extra" apps included
Market doesnt seem to work ( i only tried to dl astrid..not dling)
SO FAST its worth it for me to use for a few days even week(s).
and i mean fast as most hero apps i uninstall in a hour.
I will update this thread as i go
NOTE: writing this was purely out of my boredom/lunch break. i do not attempt to put in an extra effort to get things right like that name of the blue app that kills my tasks(damn what is it calllledd) . im simply venting/commenting on roms i try out as im a rom fiend just like linux distros. so if your using the same phone as iam ...come back

update
Market does work just not astrid.
Found wifi tethering on market.

I'm sorry, but what's the meaning of this thread?

my own thread logging up which rom i tried and liked/ what didnt work. is this a problem? or am i suppose to go to every roms own thread to post my opinion?

phoneaddict13 said:
my own thread logging up which rom i tried and liked/ what didnt work. is this a problem? or am i suppose to go to every roms own thread to post my opinion?
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Yes you should post your opinion in each thread. This has nothing to do with development. At the very least post this in general.

thanks for the right "direction"
mods is it possible to move this to general? thanks

[Q] Be gentle... decided to root, need CURRENT advice

It seems like most of the threads about rooting are from back in July. I want to root my phone. I'm pretty sure I should use the Cyanogen ROM. Should I use stable? Experimental? Nightly? I want 2.2 for sure, beyond that I don't really know what the differences are I should be looking for.
So, using Windows 7 what should I do starting from square one, and in which order should I do it?
I would like the ability to un-root and return to stock, if possible.
Thanks for any helpful replies.

911jason said:
It seems like most of the threads about rooting are from back in July. I want to root my phone. I'm pretty sure I should use the Cyanogen ROM. Should I use stable? Experimental? Nightly? I want 2.2 for sure, beyond that I don't really know what the differences are I should be looking for.
So, using Windows 7 what should I do starting from square one, and in which order should I do it?
I would like the ability to un-root and return to stock, if possible.
Thanks for any helpful replies.
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Thank you posting this in the appropriate sub-forum. Here is a link in the Development sub-forum that explains all of the steps you need to root your Aria and prepare for loading custom ROMs.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=788737
As for a Froyo 2.2 ROM, you have CM 6.0/6.1 or Liberated FRxx Series. The Liberated FR series has the familiar HTC Sense interface that came on your Aria, but it is built on Froyo 2.2 instead 2.1.
Regards,
Tom

Thanks for the reply Tom, although I'm still hesitant. It seems like every thread I've seen with instructions has quite a few posts afterwards from people having issues. The instructions are also usually about as clear as mud. It seems like the people writing the instructions are writing them for people who have rooted in the past, because they use terminology that a new user like me doesn't understand. I have lots of computer experience (used to design websites in the 90's with Notepad - ha!) but I have zero Linux or smartphone experience, so maybe I should just forget the root thing. It's just that I love Photoshop and would really like to be able to use those skills to customize the look of my phone much more than I currently can.

911jason said:
Thanks for the reply Tom, although I'm still hesitant. It seems like every thread I've seen with instructions has quite a few posts afterwards from people having issues. The instructions are also usually about as clear as mud. It seems like the people writing the instructions are writing them for people who have rooted in the past, because they use terminology that a new user like me doesn't understand. I have lots of computer experience (used to design websites in the 90's with Notepad - ha!) but I have zero Linux or smartphone experience, so maybe I should just forget the root thing. It's just that I love Photoshop and would really like to be able to use those skills to customize the look of my phone much more than I currently can.
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you know what I did when i rooted my phone? I watched a youtube video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjgg__m-KHc

911jason said:
Thanks for the reply Tom, although I'm still hesitant. It seems like every thread I've seen with instructions has quite a few posts afterwards from people having issues. The instructions are also usually about as clear as mud. It seems like the people writing the instructions are writing them for people who have rooted in the past, because they use terminology that a new user like me doesn't understand. I have lots of computer experience (used to design websites in the 90's with Notepad - ha!) but I have zero Linux or smartphone experience, so maybe I should just forget the root thing. It's just that I love Photoshop and would really like to be able to use those skills to customize the look of my phone much more than I currently can.
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Well 922jason, I think we are both going through exactly the same thing. I bought my Aria already rooted by the seller, and so I missed out on the learning curve of rooting and the terminologies involved. Think I'm more of a learn it on the job kinda fella and now I have to read all these texts.
Anyway, I just did the most daring thing today. I was running Liberated Aria R12 few hours ago and decided to get hands on. Downloaded FroYo Cyanogen, made nandroid backup (yes it's such a noob thing) & flashed (sounds fancy) Cyanogen. Anyways, I found out that it didn't suit me at all because:
1. I can't find my ALL my installed and backup-ed Apps anywhere
2. The familiar Market isn't anywhere in the phone
3. ALL my contact list are gone
4. I couldn't find any application that lets me access my SD card
5. There were wayyyyy too many options to customize in Cyanogen that gave me a headache instead
Now I realize that the pros would bombard me with comments and advice to sort out those problems, and they certainly would know better what to do than me. But as a new user to Android in the smartphone era, I'm just plain confused.
So I restored the nandroid backup and I'm back to the state before I installed Cyanogen
BUT, I'm not done yet. I'm now downloading Liberated Aria Froyo FR007 and want to try it out. Just don't chicken out at getting hands on with this cos I wanna get the most out of my Aria. So good luck!
The people at XDA are really helpful and you shouldn't worry about getting lost. Thanks guys!

Thanks for the link Zervic, I'll check that out.
I also appreciate the info Emigre, glad to know I'm not the only noob on XDA! =)

Root yet or still having problems?

Noz85 said:
Root yet or still having problems?
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I'm waffling big-time!
I just read through the huge CM6 thread and seeing all those different problems posted gives me the willies. Going to read through the Sense/Froyo thread next and see if it looks any safer.

Dont worry so much with any of the roms here theres a very small chance to brick your phone. If you like how your phone looks now then Liberated is for you. If you want to customize everything them go with CM6.
Your choice but dont over think it lol.
if you need help just ask.

Hey man, I really appreciate that... I like the idea of all the customization possible with CM6, but all of the bug reports in that thread scare the crap out of me.

Thats mostly for the nightly roms. CM6 and CM6.1 RC1 are very stable, I didn't have any major problems with them. Just make sure to fallow all the instructions when installing to avoid any problems with any roms you chose.

Noz85 said:
Thats mostly for the nightly roms. CM6 and CM6.1 RC1 are very stable, I didn't have any major problems with them. Just make sure to fallow all the instructions when installing to avoid any problems with any roms you chose.
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I would agree. Both CM 6.0.2.1 and CM 6.1 RC1 have been very reliable for me. As has been mentioned in other posts, most of the 'bugs' are about the nightly CM builds which are truly 'experimental'.
There are a few caveats with CM 6.x that you won't run into with the Liberated ROMs. Number 1 is read the wiki instructions completely. Once you flash the CM 6 you then need to flash the Google Apps so that you can access the Android Market. Number 2 is that the CM 6.x cannot read any contacts you have stored on your SIM card, so you should export them from the SIM and sync them with your GMAIL account.
Regards,
Tom

Okay, anything I need to set aside for doing this? Will the stock 2gb SD card work fine? How long does the process take, from start to finish?

i too am on the learning curve of all this rooting and whatnot. before i got the aria just this last wednesday i had the hero cdma with Alltel. which apparently was a B* to root and whatnot, cuz alltel isnt popular for devs ive noticed. when i first got the hero it was really new for alltel, and there were people working on the root process. I too get pretty nervous when i read stuff that i could do to my phone but could brick it.. but then i found out about the recovery mode and nandroid backups.. and OMFG they help a lot when you change a setting to be incompatible and get a boot loop. that was VERY often with that hero.
When i found out that i was getting the Aria cuz of the Alltel to AT&T transition, i kept an eye on the aria threads. day one of getting the aria, i plugged it right in running unrevoked and it went real quick, however thats just the root process of course. you havent installed any roms at this point, just got the privileges.
thats when you boot the recovery mode, do that nandroid backup and copy that backup somewhere safe on a computer or something.. then of course after that then you follow the steps for whichever rom you choose that you want.
IMO- i prefer the Liberated series, i had my chance with CM6.1 on the hero and enjoyed it a bit, but got tired of it and went to the Fresh Hero ROM. so since i knew i liked fresh hero, i knew i wanted liberated series, and most especially because its 2.2 FroYo with the HTC Sense UI (the "stock look" that was mentioned earlier)
and to answer your questions:
1. make sure you have the right usb drivers, youll know if you read the tutorials. the nandroid backup would be somewhere between 200-350MB so make sure you have enough free on the sd.
2.the stock 2gb will work just fine. in the future look into upgrading with a class 4 or class 6 speed MicroSD for even better performance.
3.once you get the drivers and software downloaded, the unrevoked root process takes probably around 5 minutes, if that.. it seemed really fast to me. the nandroid backup process will be fast if you dont have many apps installed now. should only take a few minutes as well. im guessing it takes me like 10-15 minutes sometimes cuz of apps and such, (sometimes i lose track of time). then after nandroid, the wipes are like instant, then flashing the rom, (like i said im bad with time sometimes) and i believe that takes about 5-10 minutes.

So it seems like after I root my phone, I should boot back into the stock ROM and download Titanium to back-up my apps and app data. Is this correct? I don't want to lose access to the apps I have purchased. Is that the best way?

the purchased apps you can obviously re-download, but yes. titanium backup is really useful for saving app/app-data. however, if needed, you can always nandroid the custom rom, restore your stock backup and pull info from that, then restore back to the custom.

joachim123 said:
the purchased apps you can obviously re-download
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I have found quite a few threads around the internet about people losing their paid apps after rooting and flashing a custom ROM. Wasn't sure if there was some step I needed to take to ensure that I can retrieve my paid apps. There aren't many, I've only had my phone for a few weeks, but still... I'm cheap!

1. You can use titanium to back up your apps, though that isn't 100% necessary because, as previously mentioned, you can re-download your purchased apps.
2. Once you get the ROM installed (if it happens to be cyanogenmod) you need to also install gapps, which includes the market app. If you don't flash the gapps package, obviously, there will be no market.
3. Keep in mind that if you install CM, there will be no more HTC Sync.
4. If you follow the directions in 1, the video i posted for you or 2, any of the threads that explain this process the possibility for you to brick your phone is slim to none. -- as attn1 said "If you manage to brick your phone with this ROM from there, you are a dumb ass of unimaginable proportions, and I absolve myself of any responsibility whatsoever. "
There were a few other things I wanted to mention but I gotta run...

oh haha, well as far as im concerned, the purchases should be saved in the google database as long as you use the same gmail account to log in to the phone. ive been fine every time. even from goin thru the transition of different cell providers and phones. there is an app that im not sure if its allowed to be posted but ill message a link to you. its helped a lot lately even tho i just found it out like two days ago.

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There were a few other things I wanted to mention but I gotta run...
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Oh that's just great... reminds me of the teases for "News at 11 - The critical info you need that could save your life"... meanwhile, it's 4pm, what do I do until 11 to stay alive?!?!

Just got this phone...

Ok so I just got this phone (coming from a DInc), just wondering what ROM is the best one out there. I am already rooted and have clockwork installed, now itching to put a ROM on and get rid of Bing lol.

Did you flash Clockwork in Odin? You can't do it from ROM Manager on this phone.
JT's super clean is a safe bet. Blackhole is another popular one.

Correct you need to flash it through odin ie clockwork. I have used alot of roms so far but I like the black hole build you're own. Many options and the recent v1.4.1 is really nice. Sonsofskywalker is a great dev and keeps up on his stuff.
Sent from your mothers closet.

Also check or geekniks stupid fast kernel 1.2.3 you can use many other phones boot animations.
Sent from your mothers closet.

Honestly Ive seen absolutely no improvement in using a custom rom vs launcherpro over stock. Your better off keeping it stock for now untill 2.2 comes out.
But if your even smarter you return the phone. Dont throw away the box, you like me might not be happy with it and get stuck with it. I dont think its actually the phone im unhappy with....but more android. Android has become a disapointment to me. An OS is only as good as the applications it has.
I was a 3 time Iphone user....then switch from att to verizon in Nov 2009 and have gone through a bunch of droid phones. On Verizon its the best choice. But when Windows phone 7 or Iphone hits next year many will be gone.
I know many of you guys will chew me up over this. But I gotta speak the truth,

martyotaku said:
Honestly Ive seen absolutely no improvement in using a custom rom vs launcherpro over stock. Your better off keeping it stock for now untill 2.2 comes out.
But if your even smarter you return the phone. Dont throw away the box, you like me might not be happy with it and get stuck with it. I dont think its actually the phone im unhappy with....but more android. Android has become a disapointment to me. An OS is only as good as the applications it has.
I was a 3 time Iphone user....then switch from att to verizon in Nov 2009 and have gone through a bunch of droid phones. On Verizon its the best choice. But when Windows phone 7 or Iphone hits next year many will be gone.
I know many of you guys will chew me up over this. But I gotta speak the truth,
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I had an iPhone... IMO the iPhone is a toy. I plan on giving this a go for 30 days and see if I like it or not. If I dont I will return it and go back to my DInc.
Thanks for the advice on the ROMs guys I will download that one now

Also, is there anyway to get Bing completely off the phone? And what about when I hit the search button to be able to get directions like I could on my DInc.

Lynx83 said:
Also, is there anyway to get Bing completely off the phone? And what about when I hit the search button to be able to get directions like I could on my DInc.
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Yes, there is a way to get Bing completely off. I will tell you if you just read the stickies at the top, you probably didn't need to post this.
If you have root access, which is easily done, you can then use install CWM. Once you do that, you can install jt's super clean rom. That'll take care of your issues.
If you don't like the way the current launcher you are using, install ADW or LauncherPro. I personally recommend ADW as it is open source and well developed.
But again, you should have posted this in the General forum. And you should have read the stickies before posting.
Can you imagine what this forum would be like if everyone who purchased a Fascinate posted saying exactly what you are saying???

RacerXFD said:
Yes, there is a way to get Bing completely off. I will tell you if you just read the stickies at the top, you probably didn't need to post this.
If you have root access, which is easily done, you can then use install CWM. Once you do that, you can install jt's super clean rom. That'll take care of your issues.
If you don't like the way the current launcher you are using, install ADW or LauncherPro. I personally recommend ADW as it is open source and well developed.
But again, you should have posted this in the General forum. And you should have read the stickies before posting.
Can you imagine what this forum would be like if everyone who purchased a Fascinate posted saying exactly what you are saying???
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Apparently you have reading comprehension issues also so I dont know why you are trying to be hard and call me out. I have rooted, I did flash clockwork, and I did flash a ROM, but its still not functioning the same as my DInc was.

Lynx83 said:
Apparently you have reading comprehension issues also so I dont know why you are trying to be hard and call me out. I have rooted, I did flash clockwork, and I did flash a ROM, but its still not functioning the same as my DInc was.
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My bad. I do have reading comprehension issues...
Anyways, depends on what you want, the good ones are already in ROM Manager to download when you feel like.
Sonofskywalker's ROM is neat in that it erases everything stock and leaves only what you want to leave in there.
JT's is simple and clean.
Deoxdexed is not bad, but it does come with a theme if you're into that.

I used "Super Dark" I really like the layout, but now all my haptic feeling in the phone is gone

Ok I got it working, I flashed the stock kernel to the phone... seems to be working properly right now

Froyo just dropped for the epic. Official froyo. While us fascinate users wait for our maintenance update. **** yeah. Way to go Sammy and Verizon. I hate to have to put this phone down with this brilliant hardware but ill be on my incredible until you **** or get off the pot. Jt, adrynalyne, love you..sorry I've been out of the loop at irc. Plannning this wedding is quite the time killer. Be back in irc tomorrow when I get home
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1st post - had to start somewhere...

1st post, 1st android - LOVE this forum!!
So, I managed to figure out how to root several weeks ago, mainly so I could wifi tether. Been waiting (and waiting... and waiting...) on Sprint to put Froyo out. Toyed with the idea of doing it myself, based on several threads in the xda forums, but just couldn't quite pull the trigger.
Finally took the plunge last week & also flashed my first custom ROM, Syndicate Frozen. Had a couple of 'Oh $hit' moments, but made it through and very glad I did. The speed increase is amazing!
Getting ready to try midNIGHT next... just for kicks.
Just had to say I couldn't have done it without all the awesome help from this forum. Just hope I'm able to contribute, someday...
Cheers!

I remember that from when I got my first Android, the HTC Hero. Such good times.
I am running Syndicate, too. It's my favorite ROM. MidNIGHT is a second, the only reasons I don't use it is because he uses the beta swype in his ROM (meaning you have to renew it every so often), and his rom doesn't support 1x/3G icons like syndicate's does. Though, I must say, MidNIGHT is VERY, VERY stable and will probably not force close ANYTHING you run on it. In other words, MidNIGHT is what stock should've been.

Glad you took the plunge and did it. Its definitely worth it isn't it. On on the latest bonsai rom and its awesome. The.main difference with this rom is you don't have to wipe all your data before you flash.the rom. It backs up all your data and restores it when you flash the rom so you don't have.to start from scratch
Sent From My Evo Killer!

whitfield77 said:
1st post, 1st android - LOVE this forum!!
So, I managed to figure out how to root several weeks ago, mainly so I could wifi tether. Been waiting (and waiting... and waiting...) on Sprint to put Froyo out. Toyed with the idea of doing it myself, based on several threads in the xda forums, but just couldn't quite pull the trigger.
Finally took the plunge last week & also flashed my first custom ROM, Syndicate Frozen. Had a couple of 'Oh $hit' moments, but made it through and very glad I did. The speed increase is amazing!
Getting ready to try midNIGHT next... just for kicks.
Just had to say I couldn't have done it without all the awesome help from this forum. Just hope I'm able to contribute, someday...
Cheers!
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Ptfmedic did an awesome job in creating the most flexible and stable (with the BYOR edition) Rom I have ever seen to date, even spawning from the old Windows Mobile 6.1 days... ahhh...
Not to mention the dude has a heart of gold. If you do decide to flash one of his roms, be sure to read some of his blogs and if you feel it stir inside you, help out his cause.

Welcome. This forum is very arousing.

Tried to flash midNight BYOR, after using Odin to get back to a stock with root & CWM, but for some reason it kept failing. Something about couldn't open the zip. Going to try to download the Standard version; maybe the BYOR was corrupted during download.

bighuta said:
Ptfmedic did an awesome job in creating the most flexible and stable (with the BYOR edition) Rom I have ever seen to date, even spawning from the old Windows Mobile 6.1 days... ahhh...
Not to mention the dude has a heart of gold. If you do decide to flash one of his roms, be sure to read some of his blogs and if you feel it stir inside you, help out his cause.
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Yeah, I did take the time to read through a few of his blogs. The Broken Heart one was gripping - will definitely make me think twice the next time I'm approached. The man definitely has a heart of gold & the patience of a saint. And he still takes the time to make great Rom's from what I hear. I should know here in the next hour or so - multiupload is slower than...
Guess I'm supposed to wait 5 minutes between posts...

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Tried to flash midNight BYOR, after using Odin to get back to a stock with root & CWM, but for some reason it kept failing. Something about couldn't open the zip. Going to try to download the Standard version; maybe the BYOR was corrupted during download.
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Not to sound offensive or mean, but did you follow his instructions exactly as written on his Android Development page? When it comes to flashing roms (at least with the Epic) one minor mistake can be the difference between a perfect flash and a faulty one. I learned that the hard way -.-
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Oh and I forgot to mention, although it hasn't happened to me yet, i hear that bad flashes can occur; I.E., something went wrong in that instance alone, not necessarily the entire thing is debunk, but rather just that one time. Try it again and you might have better luck.
Cheers

Overstew said:
I remember that from when I got my first Android, the HTC Hero. Such good times.
I am running Syndicate, too. It's my favorite ROM. MidNIGHT is a second, the only reasons I don't use it is because he uses the beta swype in his ROM (meaning you have to renew it every so often), and his rom doesn't support 1x/3G icons like syndicate's does. Though, I must say, MidNIGHT is VERY, VERY stable and will probably not force close ANYTHING you run on it. In other words, MidNIGHT is what stock should've been.
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Not sure why he did that either, but he's recently started using the stock swype we all paid for.

I have to second what you said. I came from a moment and the epic is a huge step up. I'm also running the syndicate rom as well and it sure is a speed demon. I am starting to get the hang of flashing now, though I probably go overboard when I do it. I usually end up flashing back to stock and then install cwm, then I go and flash the rom. This forum is outstanding too. The people here are (for the most part) intelligent and willing to help.
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bighuta said:
Not to sound offensive or mean, but did you follow his instructions exactly as written on his Android Development page? When it comes to flashing roms (at least with the Epic) one minor mistake can be the difference between a perfect flash and a faulty one. I learned that the hard way -.-
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Oh and I forgot to mention, although it hasn't happened to me yet, i hear that bad flashes can occur; I.E., something went wrong in that instance alone, not necessarily the entire thing is debunk, but rather just that one time. Try it again and you might have better luck.
Cheers
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No offense taken at all. I'm definitely a noob, so I'd rather have someone point out the obvious than assume I knew what I was doing.
Tried it a couple ways. 1st time, I was already rooted with CW3.0.0.6 with flashed syndicate. Wiped davlic, cache, and user 3 times. Tried to install the BYOR version & got the error. 2nd time, I used Odin to get back to EB13 rooted with CW3, no other custom rom. Then tried install BYOR version again (after wiping 3x) and got same error.
Decided to Odin back again, EB13, root, CW3; wipe 3x & then installed the midNIGHT Standard & it worked like a charm. I've had bad file downloads from multiupload before, so I'm gonna pin the blame there for now.
Been exploring midNight this afternoon & like it so far. Figured I should give it a few days before I decide which to go with.

REVOLT!!!!!

I know that I come across as a prick on here lately, but I'm gonna start a revolution against ROM Manager and Kernel Manger...
Useless programs for people trying to shortcut a proven system...
One other thing I'm adding to that, but the vote is still out is any FormatAll programs. Both times i used Caulkins, I had to go reflash recovery via PC36IMG.
Newsflash! Wiping all in recovery works fine. I've flashed 1000 setups liek thnat with ZERO problems.
As for the former, not in ONE single thread for any ROMS doers it say "Use ROM Manager". Wanna know why?? Because using RECOVERY is a PROVEN system
I apologize to the Devs, especially Caulkin, because I think he's a genius, I know they put a lot of time and effort into their apps, but it's useless.
I see 10,000 posts about people having problems with flashing ROMS and Recovery and 9,900 of them were using ROM Manager.....
OK, now the people that are gonna tell me how wrong I am can chime in.....

I never used those apps myself, I prefer the piece of mind that's its being done right, I do like the format all zip I always used that.

I actually agree with you. I myself have come across issues with ROM manager the few times I've used it. Going into recovery yourself is more secure in getting the job done.
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HipKat said:
I know that I come across as a prick on here lately, but I'm gonna start a revolution against ROM Manager and Kernel Manger...
Useless programs for people trying to shortcut a proven system...
One other thing I'm adding to that, but the vote is still out is any FormatAll programs. Both times i used Caulkins, I had to go reflash recovery via PC36IMG.
Newsflash! Wiping all in recovery works fine. I've flashed 1000 setups liek thnat with ZERO problems.
As for the former, not in ONE single thread for any ROMS doers it say "Use ROM Manager". Wanna know why?? Because using RECOVERY is a PROVEN system
I apologize to the Devs, especially Caulkin, because I think he's a genius, I know they put a lot of time and effort into their apps, but it's useless.
I see 10,000 posts about people having problems with flashing ROMS and Recovery and 9,900 of them were using ROM Manager.....
OK, now the people that are gonna tell me how wrong I am can chime in.....
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I have to agree

Agree to a certain point, but I do highly appreciate the work of Koush and Team Win. If nothing else, they both serve as great means of downloading the latest kernel or Nightly.

HipKat said:
I know that I come across as a prick on here lately, but I'm gonna start a revolution against ROM Manager and Kernel Manger...
Useless programs for people trying to shortcut a proven system...
One other thing I'm adding to that, but the vote is still out is any FormatAll programs. Both times i used Caulkins, I had to go reflash recovery via PC36IMG.
Newsflash! Wiping all in recovery works fine. I've flashed 1000 setups liek thnat with ZERO problems.
As for the former, not in ONE single thread for any ROMS doers it say "Use ROM Manager". Wanna know why?? Because using RECOVERY is a PROVEN system
I apologize to the Devs, especially Caulkin, because I think he's a genius, I know they put a lot of time and effort into their apps, but it's useless.
I see 10,000 posts about people having problems with flashing ROMS and Recovery and 9,900 of them were using ROM Manager.....
OK, now the people that are gonna tell me how wrong I am can chime in.....
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ROM manager is just a gateway app, it doesn't flash the Rom for you it has a script to use in the recovery. It's kinda nice to ota a update.zip I can flash anytime.
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Its perfect for us newbies. And yes, we have the right to flash, and no, recovery is not self explaining!
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Meh, as long as the option is there to flash the old fashioned way (via recovery) is available, I can't really care too much about who may or may not be using rom manager or kernel manager.

xqzek said:
Its perfect for us newbies. And yes, we have the right to flash, and no, recovery is not self explaining!
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Which is why the threads for ROMS, normally have instructions on how to do it in recovery...
One thing that ROM Manager is great for is fixing permissions
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You're from Peoria ... so, uh, yeah, you're wrong.
Kidding aside, or - maybe not, what does it even really matter?
The experienced, and not so much, use these services ... why do you care? Are the masses running to you for help? No. They're not. If people are going to do things wrong, they're going to do things wrong.
I've used Kernel Manager twice, only because it seemed convenient. I still looked through threads here. Even if I didn't, who cares?
People use these out of convenience, for the most part. Then, sure, there are some that use such because of them being simple and have no problems. Not to be rude, but what do you care if people do or do not use these? People are still going to **** their **** up, regardless.
Again, if you were the 'help master,' which you're not, I might understand. But you're not, so I fail to understand the reason for the thread. Apart from ridiculing people.
Because using RECOVERY is a PROVEN system
I apologize to the Devs, especially Caulkin, because I think he's a genius, I know they put a lot of time and effort into their apps, but it's useless.
I see 10,000 posts about people having problems with flashing ROMS and Recovery and 9,900 of them were using ROM Manager.....
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I will say this; I see as many people posting problems about issues flashing from recovery as well. Again, if people are going to **** something up, they are going to **** something up. And with most people I have seen, they are posting positive experiences from using ROM Manager. Now, I know - despite you actually using numbers - you have no numbers. So, naturally, I wouldn't make such a drastic assumption while trying to actually use numbers. Made up numbers at that.
And, so - in turn, it's NOT useless. People get much use out of such apps. 'Noobs' and perfectly able individuals alike.
Hell, when I wanted to flash the GodMode kernel I just hit KernelManager and had it take care of business in one foul swoop. Granted, I'm using an older version of Amon's recovery, so I would have had to go into my folder and move the kernel to the root of my SD card, then power down and wipe cache and dalvik and so forth. Instead, I hit 'teh magic button stick' and took a few hits and took a few drinks while my phone just sat there. Beautiful.
Granted, I don't rely solely on these apps / programs ... but even if I did, would you hate me? I can't imagine why, seeing as I don't look to you for help when things go wrong. Not that they ever have. But, honestly, whatever. This is a pretty petty thread.

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You're from Peoria ... so, uh, yeah, you're wrong.
Kidding aside, or - maybe not, what does it even really matter?
The experienced, and not so much, use these services ... why do you care? Are the masses running to you for help? No. They're not. If people are going to do things wrong, they're going to do things wrong.
I've used Kernel Manager twice, only because it seemed convenient. I still looked through threads here. Even if I didn't, who cares?
People use these out of convenience, for the most part. Then, sure, there are some that use such because of them being simple and have no problems. Not to be rude, but what do you care if people do or do not use these? People are still going to **** their **** up, regardless.
Again, if you were the 'help master,' which you're not, I might understand. But you're not, so I fail to understand the reason for the thread. Apart from ridiculing people.
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agreed i read the threads but have at least tried the progs and they seemd to only kind of work well the kernal manager rom manager seemed useless lol but why does it make a difference if someone uses it? are they taking money away from you or something? jw and yes there are people who use it and come back and are like OMFG my **** is ****ed up but then all they gotta do is figure out how to fix it manually so yeah then they probally wont use it again lol

gonna take this one step at a time,
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I know that I come across as a prick on here lately, but I'm gonna start a revolution against ROM Manager and Kernel Manger...
Useless programs for people trying to shortcut a proven system...
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if you dont like them, then simply do not use them. whats the problem?
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One other thing I'm adding to that, but the vote is still out is any FormatAll programs. Both times i used Caulkins, I had to go reflash recovery via PC36IMG.
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used it many times with out issue. sounds like arrogant user error to me. btw its Calkulin, if your going to insult someone at least get the name right
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Newsflash! Wiping all in recovery works fine. I've flashed 1000 setups liek thnat with ZERO problems.
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flashing one zip is simply more convenient that multiple wipes. calkulins zip was created to help the users yet instead of being thankful you are an ingrate.
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As for the former, not in ONE single thread for any ROMS doers it say "Use ROM Manager". Wanna know why?? Because using RECOVERY is a PROVEN system
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did you know that the rom dev has to setup and submit his rom to rom manager? why do you think they do this? rom manager is supported heavily by the rom devs. it is an easy way for users to find new roms they otherwise may miss.
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I apologize to the Devs, especially Caulkin, because I think he's a genius, I know they put a lot of time and effort into their apps, but it's useless.
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you apoligize and insult in the same sentence, doesn't seem to sincere to me.
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I see 10,000 posts about people having problems with flashing ROMS and Recovery and 9,900 of them were using ROM Manager.....
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9890 of those 9900 are most likely user error. besides that, point me in the direction of one specific post like this. i guarantee i can point out a step or instruction or warning that was ignored
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OK, now the people that are gonna tell me how wrong I am can chime in.....
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done and done. if you do not appreciate the work put in by these devs then do not use there apps. bashing them will only turn off devs whose sole purpose is to help the community.

I don't trust those programs to do what they're supposed to do; I've read about to many horror stories from people who used them.

u stink
I like ROM Manager and Kernel Manager, they are convenient apps for newbies like me.

Please stop posting this stupid crap - "A Revolt against ROM Manager & Kernel Manager" Are you serious? I thought it would be a joke but your serious- lol. Yes it does cause problems but thats cause of simple mistakes. I have flashed through ROM & Kernel manager numerous times without a single fail or anything. And the irony of you saying you hate the 9,900 post about people not being able to flash - yet your adding the # of worthless posts with this stupid bullcrap. Sorry that I'm coming off rude but give me a break. These developers built something for inexperienced users & even advanced users to add convenience to flashing. If you really want a change please contact the developer with some constructive feedback, not this pointless thread. Cause trust me, this stupid revolt is going to get any application taken down.
Sincerely,
D3luSi0n4L
p.s - If you feel differently and would like to speak please feel free to pm me.

i have used then all and have no NO troubles with them ...
if you dont like them dont use them period .

I am not a pro but flashing things to my phone is nothing I am new to and I for one love BOTH apps!
I can look and read up on a ROM and have this cool program
Download
Backup
Wipe
Install
And let me know if there is a update.
I have flashed many roms and never had a problem. . .
Well, there was a time I did not pick the new gapps and well. . . . That was my bad.
Can I start a "REVOLT" from post like this?
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I am a newbie to all this stuff and I've looked at Rom Manager and didn't understand it but I was taught to flash through recovery. Although my first flash I didn't backup my OS (will never make that mistake again). Recovery is quite simple. Still getting the hang of all the lingo and what exactly everything does though.
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Why the rage?
I've never used the kernel app but rom manager and format-all.zip (I guess you never use clear-temp-files.zip either) have their uses.
When I first flashed a rom, I used ROM Manager (anyone remember Damage Control?). Then I used it to download ROMs but flashed via RA AMON. Now, I only use it to fix permissions. It's a good app for beginners.
I've used format-all.zip and clear-temp countless times and NEVER had any problems. I also never had problems with rom manager - I stopped using it because I wanted to clear dalvik cache and I wasn't sure if CWM did that.
Calm down. Choices are good even if some aren't ones you would choose.
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I'm not gonna dispute people's opinions, but I'm not gonna change mine, either.
BTW, I'm not from Peoria! HELL, no. I'm here because this where the psycho that spawned my kids is with her new husband, and I need to be near my kids.
I'm from Buffalo, NY originally.....