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No love for the Saga??
I love it... and check for news about once every two weeks. Haven't heard anything.
hello fellow IL person... im hoping for a 6.5 cooked rom
note... I posted a message over on PDAPhoneHome.com and everythingwm.com and then found this thread... since it is similar in nature to my questions, I thought I would reply to this one instead of starting a new thread.
Greetings fellow frustrated Saga owners!
Wish I hadn't updated…
I, like many of you, now wish that I had not installed the update on my Saga.
It worked great before!... But now I am experiencing many of the same bugs that have already been mentioned on this forum.
I am pretty tolerant of bugs in general and I don't mind trying to find workarounds for them. Often, the workarounds add more functionality then would normally be there anyway… Plus I enjoy learning how things work.
Biggest problem…
The one thing that I can't stand is the loss of signal strength I have seen since updating! My data connection dies several times per day and I have to soft reset to get it back. Sometimes it is hours before I realize this has happened so I am not always getting my email right away. (Who has time to check their phone every few minutes to see if it has stopped synching or not?)
Other times it seems like it just stops synching for no reason. I use both an exchange server (MailStreet) and Windows Live and they both have this problem. Sometimes I check my phone when I go on break at Noon and I will notice that it hasn't synched since 9:30 AM or sometimes longer than that, yet there is no error message (like it tried to synch and couldn't) and I open the browser and can get on the internet. It is like it doesn't even try to synch. I have both of them set to synch every 15 minutes (greatly increases battery life btw) 24 hours a day. Then there are other times, it synchs more often than every 15 minutes… so I don't know what is going on!
Getting worse?…
Is it just me or do the signal issues seem to be getting worse? Or maybe it is just in my area? This past week I have actually started getting errors saying that it couldn't connect (whereas before, it just wouldn't connect... no errors)... and it seems to be happening more frequently.
Finally… my question…
What I would like to know is if anyone is working on a "cooked" ROM for the Saga. Either 6.1 or 6.5 would work for me. I have heard some good things about 6.5 (like dramatically increased performance), but I haven't heard about anyone working on this for the Saga. Waiting for Verizon to come out with another update is just a lesson in frustration and honestly I am not sure I would trust it if they did release one.
I consider myself to be a pretty tech savvy person and even enjoy some light programming on occasion (the .net framework is awesome… Something Microsoft got right!!), yet I am reasonably certain that cooking up my own ROM is beyond my skills (though I am willing to give it a shot if someone can point me to a clear guide)
Follow-up question…
If no one is working on this and no helpful guide is available, then I am wondering if a ROM from a similar phone can be used (maybe with a few modifications required?). For instance, is the Epix similar enough that we could use a ROM designed for it on the Saga? (There is a 6.5 ROM for the Epix that can be found here) Or does the fact that its hardware is GSM only make it out of the question?
More questions…
If using a ROM from a similar phone is possible is there a way to backup the current ROM so that it could be restored if the other ROM doesn't work? If so then I would probably be willing to use my phone as a guinea pig. Yes, I understand that there is a possibility that it could brick my phone and I am willing to accept the risk if there is a good chance that it will work. I have an old blackberry that I can use if something goes really wrong.
So I guess the real question is… How similar do the phones have to be? Or does it have to be identical hardware?
Any insight would be appreciated...
Steven
Id like to know the same answers! The Omnia, which came out at the same time will be upgradable to 6.5, so why did samsung release a phone that wont be at the same time as one that could?
i wonder if an omnia rom could be altered for the samsung?
Lets see some love for the Saga with 6.5, also any news on the Sags 2?
Revisiting old thread
I've still got a brand new Saga that I'd love to use if I could get a stable build of 6.1 or 6.5. The "update" from Verizon made the Saga useless with its instability and constant lock-ups.
I would really appreciate some of the experts here building a clean ROM for the Saga.
Thanks.
I was on the phone with T-Mobile Support (611), regarding my HD2 and the issues that I am still having with this device. The rep. stated that T-Mobile is aware of the issues on the phone and that the 1st ROM update did not resolve them all and caused some new ones.
She stated specifically this new update would resolve the issue of the device hanging after you try to wake up the phone...also, the "unreliable data connection" issue is still prevalent (I still have this problem - and I have tried everything I can think of or read about). She stated that there are other fixes that they are working on to resolve with this new update.
I could not get a solid time frame, but she stated that it should be pretty quick, given that they issued the first one within a short time frame after the HD2 release.
Now, I'm not sure if this means an upgrade from 6.5 to 6.5.3, but I wouldn't count on it. I just hope it is released soon. This device is so nice and so awful at the same time. Constantly I experience little nagging issues that make using this device such a hassle.
Have you tried just flashing it to one of these custom ROMs?
No I have not yet tried the custom ROM yet on the HD2. I like the way the T-Mobile ROM are, I just am getting fed up with the "unreliable data connection" BS. Also, the phone (since the ROM update) has been running slow and I don't think that is acceptable with the 1GHz snapdragon on this device. My only other issue is that the speaker phone stops working because T-Mobile added some stupid software to the device. If you dial 611, the software pops up and tries to solve your problem via webpage and stops the speaker phone from working till you restart the device.
While that is a short list of issues, they are major issues in using the device. But I think i will wait till this 2nd update comes out...if it does not resolve my issues, custom ROM here I come!
I belive flashing NRG will solve your issues It did mine.
Which issue did it solve? The data connection issue?
Data and freezing as well not to mention the phone just flies now. flashing a new radio fixed reception issue
well I will give it a try and see if it resolves my issues as well. I figure we have about a month or so before T-mobile releases the 2nd update. I know I will not be able to last that long with these issues. It is just a pain in the a-- to flash ROMs every day...I'm not into doing it all the time. I would like to find a good stable ROM and run with it. It just takes too much time flashing and reinstalling all those programs and changing the settings to where I like them all (too much work).
Like I said it is a shame, i really like this device on paper, but in the real world is just has some serious issues. I thought i would get a year or two out of this device when i bought it, now I am already looking to swap this puppy out. I'm looking to see what is coming down the pipeline. I refuse to go with WP7 (feels like the step backwards with it limitations as compared to WM6.5 - and i don't want a device that clones the iPhone of 4 years ago)
Anyone other suggestion on custom ROMs?
NRG 21911 is very solid and you don't have to flash everyday it has xda uc and pim backup witch will back up and reinstall all your software I did it yesterday in about 20 min. I refrain from flashing during the week. the the first time it will take about an hour just read all you can on it. 670megs free space on device 13gigs on sd and 300 megs of free RAM
I'm downloading the 23121 Cookie Dinik Glass version right now...I'll let you know how it works on my device. thanks for pointing me in this direction, appreciate it!
tmobile rep told me the same thing after I had a warranty exchange, she said to expect the update soon as there are alot of people experiencing problems with the current software. Although to be honest after running Android on my HD2 I dont think I ever want to use winmo again.
are you getting everything to work with Android? i did not think they have a fully functional Android ROM for the HD2 yet
They're all the same...
My biggest complaint is the bad data connection. Paying too much money for crappy connection. I can't even get connection in my lower level of my house. I think every carrier and cell phones all have their own problems. My two co-workers, one with Droid and the other iPhone have similar problems. Droid keeps freezing 2 warranty phone exchanges so far and iPhone looses connection frequently. iPhone guy wishes his would freeze so he could get a replacement. So it's not just me.
Help me please
So i tried to install android, and on gthe web it said i needed to install hpsl well my phone had it set to 2.10 they stated i needed 2.08 or earlier so i did it but the install still didn't work !!! How can i return my phone back to 2.10 and still get my warranty back
android fo real?
cabrone said:
tmobile rep told me the same thing after I had a warranty exchange, she said to expect the update soon as there are alot of people experiencing problems with the current software. Although to be honest after running Android on my HD2 I dont think I ever want to use winmo again.
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i read on pocetnow that android is being worked on on xda. seen a couple of post too, but there is always some component not really working. is there an official android post where all the kinks are worked out? i would like to switch if thats the case. thanks.
Wow is all I can say about that NRG ROM....it is great! does everything I have been looking for, no data connection issues since last night (I'll report back on this issue as time goes by). It's fast and very stable (so far, but hell I'm impressed), and I did not even use most stable version the 21911.
The UI is great, I love the three pages of app slot, everything is within one or two finger stokes this way. It also gets rid of the apps that I don't want (ie TelNav, etc...) but keeps most of the apps that I do want...I can always install cabs for the programs I want from the official ROM. Plus it has cooked into it all those sweet tweaks and settings. Great work, I'm not even waiting for T-mobile to release the 2nd update any longer.
Thanks gtrplr71 again for suggesting this custom ROM, it's so nice, I don’t even think I will be trying out any other ROMs.
I would not get hopes up of a 6.5.3 upgrade. Could you imagine the Technical support nightmare if they had to troubleshoot 2 different OS versions?
This is one reason I think Android and Linux will really take off in the future.
steve austin said:
i read on pocetnow that android is being worked on on xda. seen a couple of post too, but there is always some component not really working. is there an official android post where all the kinks are worked out? i would like to switch if thats the case. thanks.
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There's a HD2 Android section in the original HD2 area (euro hd2 section).... but it is a work in progress. There are still a lot of issues and kinks. It will be a while before it works as well as a native android phone. But the progress they've made is unbelievable. It's great having both winmo and android on my phone.
jfarhat said:
Wow is all I can say about that NRG ROM....it is great! does everything I have been looking for, no data connection issues since last night (I'll report back on this issue as time goes by). It's fast and very stable (so far, but hell I'm impressed), and I did not even use most stable version the 21911.
The UI is great, I love the three pages of app slot, everything is within one or two finger stokes this way. It also gets rid of the apps that I don't want (ie TelNav, etc...) but keeps most of the apps that I do want...I can always install cabs for the programs I want from the official ROM. Plus it has cooked into it all those sweet tweaks and settings. Great work, I'm not even waiting for T-mobile to release the 2nd update any longer.
Thanks gtrplr71 again for suggesting this custom ROM, it's so nice, I don’t even think I will be trying out any other ROMs.
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your welcome don't forget to make a backup with pim backup to your sd card and use xda uc once you get things settled. Have fun!
how does the xda uc work? i could not figure that out, when I ran the app it stated that i did not have that file on my storage card...but it appeared there somehow.
Also, the incall record does not seem to work at all. when i lauch it (after I connect or before I connect a call) all I get is a blank lined page (note pad page).
And, is there a list of the added and removed apps somewhere? I could not find it in the ROM thread.
As for the 6.5.3 upgrade from T-Mobile, i don't think it will happen either and right now, after trying the NRG ROM...I don't care. I'm not even going to try the T-mobile 2nd ROM upgrade. Now with Android comes along on the HD2 (fully functional) then i will surely set up a dual boot situation on my HD2. That is like the best of both world.
(xda uc)-you wont notice anything different It will run and monitor the phone for new settings when you decide to flash a new build it will auto run and import settings and apps.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=653563 (stock apps) I am not familer with in-call record is that an app? this link might help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=588644
tip = turn off second hand on clock in CHT misc settings sync errors happen if you dont
You can PM me if you need more help!
hey guys.
i have a tmobile hd2 and i've noticed that my phone wont go past 50% with memory usage without having to restart itself. its very annoying. it happens after ive been using the phone for a while or been using the wi-fi router. my touch pro 2 never did that to me though so im wondering whats wrong.
help?
thanks
sorry to bump this but can no one help me?
Is it getting hot? Mine gets warm after using WIFI router. Once, only once, and I have no idea why because it hasn't done it since then, it randomly rebooted. I understand that higher temps can cause issues with the HD2. I'd do a search but I'm too frazzeled after a long day of work.
it cant be the heat...my phone gets warm but not hot once in a while. when it resets itself, it doesnt have to be hot to do it.
and when it does reset itself, it forgets to start the gps so i have to reset it again
i hate when it does it...is that normal to not go past 50% ram usage? does anyone elses do that? im gonna call and get a replacement but does anyone elses HD2 not go past it?
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it cant be the heat...my phone gets warm but not hot once in a while. when it resets itself, it doesnt have to be hot to do it.
and when it does reset itself, it forgets to start the gps so i have to reset it again
i hate when it does it...is that normal to not go past 50% ram usage? does anyone elses do that? im gonna call and get a replacement but does anyone elses HD2 not go past it?
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You don't have your ROM in your sig, so I don't know if you have a custom or not.
For sure, you phone crashing that fast is a shame and not normal.
If you are running a custom ROM, try getting on that thread to see if someone has or had the same issue. Sometimes these things happen and fixes are pretty fast if the chef wants to keep an audience.
If you are running stock, you might consider giving a custom ROM a shot, especially some of the "Lite" versions out there.
Be sure to Task 29 between any flashing to wipe out all previous data. Spare bits hanging around can interfere with a new ROM in unpredictable ways, including developing a crash pattern specific to your device that doesn't happen to other users of the same ROM.
Please keep us informed of your progress, someday another might have the issue and be looking for your solution, even if that is a hardware warranty exchange
hmm, i can see the rom version and everything on my sig... =/
im running the stock rom.
i wanted to go to a custom rom but then i hate having to update the rom every time a new one comes out. you know? props to the chefs who do that though!
i just had it exchanged. it was too annoying to keep going on like that
After upgrading to ROM 3.14.531.1 my wifi connection disconnects frequently.
Anyone have this problem or know of updated wireless drivers?
I am having the exact same problem.
I used to get connection to the router throughout my house and now it is spotty at best with the new update.
I also noticed that my range is cut by 1/4 and signal strength is very sporadic
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I also noticed that my range is cut by 1/4 and signal strength is very sporadic
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Someone suggested flashing to the radio that you were using before. Anyone tried that?
I haven't (I have not even installed HPSL), but here is the rub...my phone signal seems better...my connection to the router is worse!
Not sure if that is an equal trade-off or not (also not sure if I am accurate on the phone signal though)...(what's my name again?_)
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I haven't (I have not even installed HPSL), but here is the rub...my phone signal seems better...my connection to the router is worse!
Not sure if that is an equal trade-off or not (also not sure if I am accurate on the phone signal though)...(what's my name again?_)
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Or just try a completely different radio all together. Just make sure it's compatible... HSPL3 is easy as hell.
I observed the exact same problem with WIFI and reverted back to 2.13 ROM.... WIFI worked fine since!
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I observed the exact same problem with WIFI and reverted back to 2.13 ROM.... WIFI worked fine since!
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I am seriously debating this.
The WIFI is ridiculous now.
The device does seem smoother though and battery life is greatly increased. Where I would usually be around 30% in the day I am at 50%!
Maybe I should just install an earlier radio, but I am nervous about doing that!
Battery life question
Fit those reporting implement in battery life, do you all keep all your radios on (bluetooth, wifi and 3g) all the time? I generally keep bluetooth off because it haas been giving me an additional half day of usage and, staying with this, I am not seeing any improvements in battery life. if anything, my battery life may actually be slightly worse with the new ROM.
I do have direct push email set to deliver instantaneously.
Also, with regards wifi, not seeing a signal issue but wifi drops after some period of inactivity. This was not the case with the previous radio. Like others, I am also very interested to see if anyone has rolled back to the previous radio with favorable results .
Camusa said:
I am seriously debating this.
The WIFI is ridiculous now.
The device does seem smoother though and battery life is greatly increased. Where I would usually be around 30% in the day I am at 50%!
Maybe I should just install an earlier radio, but I am nervous about doing that!
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HardSPL3 and flashing the radio is so simple. I promise... Don't go back to 2.13, just HSPL and flash a radio. There is a thread in rom development that has all of the TMOUS radios... Just flash the radio back to 2.10.50.26. That's the stock radio from 2.13 Rom. If you want to private message me, I'd be glad to give you the step by step, but I learned what I know from reading threads on this site.
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Fit those reporting implement in battery life, do you all keep all your radios on (bluetooth, wifi and 3g) all the time? I generally keep bluetooth off because it haas been giving me an additional half day of usage and, staying with this, I am not seeing any improvements in battery life. if anything, my battery life may actually be slightly worse with the new ROM.
I do have direct push email set to deliver instantaneously.
Also, with regards wifi, not seeing a signal issue but wifi drops after some period of inactivity. This was not the case with the previous radio. Like others, I am also very interested to see if anyone has rolled back to the previous radio with favorable results .
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I do think the 2.15 radio is setup to disable your data if you are using wifi, and maybe as you suggested, turn off wifi if it's been idle for a while. Probably a way to save battery life... I had switched to the 2.10.50.26 radio that comes with the 2.13 ROM because the battery life wasn't great with the 2.15 Radio, but then I had also noticed before I flashed back to 2.10 Radio that I was getting full Edge at my buddy's house, where I normally have no signal at all. I decided to switch back to 2.15 radio and test the theory that the battery life gets better as the Rom "settles"... I'm not totally buying it because logically it doesn't make sense to me, but I'll try anything. That's how you learn stuff.
Thanks for the informative post, crisisinthecity! Keep its posted on erhart you find.
I have tried to adjust the power savings in advanced settings hoping that more power would keep the signal from disconnecting and give me better signal strength. Did not seem to have any effect
Hey guys.
I've got exactly same problem with the new ROM here in Holland. I am not T-mobile user.
I've posted my message on forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8709630&posted=1#post8709630[/url] but apparently nobody had similar issue there.
I've also contacted HTC support. Of course they started from giving me instructions how to setup WiFi. Finally after several iterations they realized what problem is about. Just today I had long conversation with them and they said that this issue is happened with only me but "they really want to understand the issue and try to help".
They were suggesting me to install the new ROM again and try to test in on different WiFi network - apparently they reluctant to do it themselves properly. I said I don't wan't do it as I don't wan't to waste my time on that and I want them figure it out themselves iby having more complains about new ROM.
I've bought theory that the issue is in radio and tried to install new ROM on top of old ROM with SSPL_RUU. It worked but even with old radio+new ROM ("only flash Splashe and OS image") WiFi issue was not fixed.
I am not going to do any experiments with my device until I will be sure the issue is completely resolved. Very disappointed indeed. Very happy with old good ROM 1.66.
I was having this problem until a few minutes ago since I flashed the 3.14 rom. When I flashed the ROm from january 25 ... UK ... It's the 1.66 ... the issue with my HD2 stopped ... just finsihing the setup of my phone again ... and the wifi is working perfectly.
I was just about to adopt the first procedures to send my the goddam hd2 to
fix by htc, when i decided to do this test.
man, I can't wait to get rid of this phone
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Hey guys.
I've got exactly same problem with the new ROM here in Holland. I am not T-mobile user.
I've posted my message on forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8709630&posted=1#post8709630[/url] but apparently nobody had similar issue there.
I've also contacted HTC support. Of course they started from giving me instructions how to setup WiFi. Finally after several iterations they realized what problem is about. Just today I had long conversation with them and they said that this issue is happened with only me but "they really want to understand the issue and try to help".
They were suggesting me to install the new ROM again and try to test in on different WiFi network - apparently they reluctant to do it themselves properly. I said I don't wan't do it as I don't wan't to waste my time on that and I want them figure it out themselves iby having more complains about new ROM.
I've bought theory that the issue is in radio and tried to install new ROM on top of old ROM with SSPL_RUU. It worked but even with old radio+new ROM ("only flash Splashe and OS image") WiFi issue was not fixed.
I am not going to do any experiments with my device until I will be sure the issue is completely resolved. Very disappointed indeed. Very happy with old good ROM 1.66.
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Odd...I have been having the same issue and in contacting T-mo and HTC they both admit that this is a known issue and that they are working on it (no mention of whetehr or not they will release a new ROM to address and I doubt that they will).
yep, been having the same issue with 3.14 ROM, WiFi disconnects frequently.
this is not seen in previous versions of ROM. must be a botched job from HTC on the WiFi drivers.
this problem only happens with certain WiFi Access Points. So not everyone will experience this problem. that's why a lot of people can't relate to what we are experiencing.
Damn HTC.
I'm pretty sure this is not a problem of Radio, but rather the WiFi drivers in the ROM.
Hello guys, i'm getting crazy about this because, after trying a lot of custom and some official roms i keep having this problem: when bluetooth is active wifi is slow and become useless many times, not every times tho, which makes me even more confused but i'm pretty sure i've made a right diagnose of the problem and it's BT and Wifi interfering...
It's logical to think this must be a hardware issue, specially if you havent experienced it, and i might even try it in another p8 i have (i havent tried yet because it needs a new screen)
As a user i just can't live without bluetooth, maybe some of you didnt noticed it but you also have this issue... i'm just almost all day using bluetooth audio.
In case you experienced this problem, can you suggest any solution ? i'm sure this has to be a repeated problem in many devices due to the similar frequency range BT and Wifi operates (congratulations to the ones who decided to make this standards this way)
In the moment i think every custom rom i tried had some little imperfection or issue and, right now my choice is EMUi 4.1, for me the most valuable thing is the feeling of the OS, the stability, fluidity, consistence, elegance of the interface, and i can have all that with this firmware despite this f***** problem which is a total red line for me. Of course i'd root and customize EMUI a little bit...
BTW... i seem to worried for a 7 years old phone that i just love to have in my hand but its supposed to be just a spare phone while my main one waits for a fix... well yes, i got excited, and frustrated, and excited again... but i guess i will have to accept this dramatic situation and fix my new phone asap.
Suggestion of any custom rom or general solution for this ? thank you guys