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hi all
i whas thinking since oure blackstone is a ppc is it possible to buy bigger ram for the device just like a normal desktop/laptop
or a new proccesor
because with every rom the total ram is the same and it has to be in there buy some sort of hardware and hardware is changeable
want to know youre 2 cents about it before i open up my blackstone
best regards
miniterror
miniterror said:
hi all
i whas thinking since oure blackstone is a ppc is it possible to buy bigger ram for the device just like a normal desktop/laptop
or a new proccesor
because with every rom the total ram is the same and it has to be in there buy some sort of hardware and hardware is changeable
want to know youre 2 cents about it before i open up my blackstone
best regards
miniterror
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I don't think it's possible to add more RAM to this device.
If it were we'd all be doing it
Unless I am totally mistaken.
Most of the components in small devices like mobile phones are soldered onto the mainboard. Even if they weren't you'd have a tough time finding the right model RAM to not only be compatible logically but also physically.
You could upgrade the RAM in Dell Axim X50v PDAs - although it had to be sent off, it wasn't something you could do at home. I think they just soldered an extra chip on top of the existing one or something. They are ancient now, and things have gotten much smaller and more complicated since then so probably not possible.
Nice thought, though.
Haven't heard of anything like this being available for the HD
the soldering on the mainboard isnt the problem i have a computerman how fixes my dead motherboard of my desktop and laptops
i have seen him soldering a lot of things i would never think off
foto camares and wii's playstations xbox
so that i aint worried about
and i have a insurance on my phone
ive it fails i put the phone under water and say its drowned and i get a new one
and some people can come to verry rare parts ive i find it
and also someone knows how to remove the void sticker on a nice way so i can put it back on it
apart from the bothersome unsoldering of smd chips
there is the issue with it most likely requiring a custom made
rom to for the rom to include the higher mem in it's memoryMap
and of cause if the cpu is replaced with another type it would
require a new driver set too
the soldering on the mainboard isnt the problem i have a computerman how fixes my dead motherboard of my desktop
Speaking of motherboards. Know where I could pick one up for blackstone?
Apart from finding a suitable physical-logical compatible hardware, the problem is drivers, as these are not documented by HTC and there is no DDK or anything. Just modding drivers to enable TV-out (for hardware that already exists) has not been possible yet... So adding a new hw...
i was just wondering with so many custom modifications being made to blackstone... in its software department by developers.... why havent we seen someone taking out the 529mhz processor and replacing it with the 1ghz snapdragon processor.... if not tht than something like a 800mhz or 600mhz processor....
and with that increasing ram a bit aswell to say like 512mb
hispeedworm said:
i was just wondering with so many custom modifications being made to blackstone... in its software department by developers.... why havent we seen someone taking out the 529mhz processor and replacing it with the 1ghz snapdragon processor.... if not tht than something like a 800mhz or 600mhz processor....
and with that increasing ram a bit aswell to say like 512mb
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I think they basically did that..........It's called the LEO!
not by htc... i mean by some basement modification.... like someone takes his hd n experiments on it a bit... not goin out and buying a newer model
all the cpus dont have the same nr of pins and located in the same places
Nothing's impossible!!! I'll get Mike Channon to start working on a tutorial toute suite!!! Will you look at his dedication with 3 packs of 3M floppy disks!!!
ACER F1
If you want snap dragon power in a Touch hd format then you want the ACER f1, together with the announcment that XDA is going to start support third party devices it makes this phone start to lok quite interesting as it is much cheaper than the HD2 and a better size in my opinion. The Nexus one is also another alternative if andriod floats you boat, it doesnt flat mine at the moment but it may get better in the not too distant furure.
A 1Ghz processor, and a Tegra graphics chip, and a 10mp camera with 720p video recording, and an AMOLED screen, and multi touchnessness, and...
the tech is there, "they" just dont want to deliver and "ultimate handset, they prefer to trckle out the tech in order that we buy handset after handset after another hoping for that perfect one. Look at the HD2, great handset but no 720p enabled, no TV out, it could have been a monster. maybe next time eh?
stoolzo said:
the tech is there, "they" just dont want to deliver and "ultimate handset, they prefer to trckle out the tech in order that we buy handset after handset after another hoping for that perfect one. Look at the HD2, great handset but no 720p enabled, no TV out, it could have been a monster. maybe next time eh?
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Wouldn't bet on it. HTC have a habit of not really advancing great amounts between each device released. Look at the specs of latest devices and forthcoming ones....no real improvement whatsoever!!
Fallen Spartan said:
Wouldn't bet on it. HTC have a habit of not really advancing great amounts between each device released. Look at the specs of latest devices and forthcoming ones....no real improvement whatsoever!!
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Couldn't agree more. There is really no device that has all the nice features in it. They want to create variety of devices to sell more. It's all about marketing strategy.
hispeedworm said:
i was just wondering with so many custom modifications being made to blackstone... in its software department by developers.... why havent we seen someone taking out the 529mhz processor and replacing it with the 1ghz snapdragon processor.... if not tht than something like a 800mhz or 600mhz processor....
and with that increasing ram a bit aswell to say like 512mb
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i whas wondering it to and in that topic we came to the conclusion that if it eventually would be possible to upgrade hardware there also need to be made different roms matchings the devices hardware
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Wouldn't bet on it. HTC have a habit of not really advancing great amounts between each device released. Look at the specs of latest devices and forthcoming ones....no real improvement whatsoever!!
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that only serves to prove my point
st3ph3nt3 said:
Couldn't agree more. There is really no device that has all the nice features in it. They want to create variety of devices to sell more. It's all about marketing strategy.
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quite right, its a numbers game, a perfect device would kill the market.
and as to the question, do you have any idea whats involved in changing hardware in the HD? firstly its a chipset, its not just one chip you stick any chip thats not ment to be in there and it isnt going to work, you would need to change the whole set, that pretty much means your sticking a new PCB in. not even to mention the pin and track layouts.
secondly the software isnt like a computer, you cant swap things and install new drivers, mostly because there are no drivers, the OS is made HTC then build the base platform around the hardware. Back in the day you might have found an old PDA that had two versions one had more RAM perhaps, the spaces on the PCB might be in the cheeper version which aloud you to upgrade the RAM. Those days are gone. take a look at any PDA PCB and you will see several surface mounted ICs on a tiny PCB.
Sometimes good ideas come from bad situations! Yesterday my girlfriend accidently kicked my lg optimus v into a glass of ginger ale. This is really putting a damper on my kernel development projects.
Anyways to see if I could save the phone at all to use till the replacement gets here I had an idea. Why not reuse the working board and build a mini arm pc with embedded linux on it.
So I'm wondering if anyone out there knows if qualcom will give you chipset schematics and data sheets there site seems fairly sparse. I need schematics for the msm7627. See I figured you could replace the charger with a five port hub then bypass the battery and connect a power supply to the board. You can easily build keyboard mouse support into even the android kernel. But I'm wondering how to connect a monitor maybe if you knew the lcd pin layout you could connect a vga screen to the old socket for the lcd. This is where I think I need schematics unless the pin layout is standard?
I have so many qualcom arm phones with screen damage why not make them into low powered desktop arm dev systems or server, routers, embedded toasters?
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Qualcomm? Schematics for Qualcomm CPUs? Hah! Sorry, forget it. It's probably harder to get than sourcecode of current version of Windows.
There are leaked parts of schemas/manuals for older SoCs. Also if you can find ARMLinux (Android) kernel for such qualcomm CPU - You can build whole new system basing on SFRs description and deep analyse of mainboard. But without schemas it's hundreds hours of blind shots.
I think the biggest issue your going to face is the fact that Qualcomm has never been keen on giving out architectural sheets on their chipsets. Since most newer chipsets incorporate improvements from older models, it would be akin to them giving their competitors access to some very guarded information.
The odds of them giving the design to you without you representing a company that is licensing their chipset for use in a phone, greatly decreases your chances even further.
On a positive note, bypassing the battery should be relatively simple, however, as with all lithium batteries there is a voltage control mechanism built into the phone that you will need to adapt to function properly with a different type of power supply.
As for the monitor, the odds of you being able to adapt a VGA/HDMI cable to a system that is designed to read input from the touchscreen/digitizer is another chore, and would require you to pioneer something from scratch.
I would say your work is cut out for you.
If you really want to do something like this, buy a Raspberry Pi when they hit. It'll be much more adaptable to what your looking to do.
~Jasecloud4
Yap, why going for stuffs like dat? It will blow the entire time u have got to work with roms.
About supply, yap u can manage it.
About chip spec. , its hard
About external/internal display, its nearly impossible unless u have VGA/HDMI o/p.
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Well my primary device is is trashed from it beimg totally drenched in soda so all my kernel development is at a schreeching halt basically. Hopefully it will be replaced in the next few days so I can get back on track.
As far as building a little workstation goes that dream is dead lol. I bypassed the battery and hooked the board up to a power supply that was 3volts at 1300ma and it smoked the board. I have plenty of other qualcom phones with bad screens but I didn't realize that they were so closed. I was just tryin to make crap into something usefull lol.
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this rasberry pi thing is exactly what I was looking for and its just the right price! Seriously this is goning to be an awesome little system to vnc into and build arm based assembly. The only thing qualcom has over this is that there are obviously kernel supported drivers for it to use the multiple arm chips and dsp chips so I'm assuming the low end msm 7x qualcom boards are a bit faster although idk they said this thing will push q3 at 1080p. I'm also looking at the beagleboard but this has such a nice price price 25 bucks is right up everyones ally. I smell an android port!
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If you're looking for something with good open source support AND open documentation - check out the BeagleBoard and PandaBoard.
PandaBoard ES has the same CPU as the GNex.
rwgast said:
....So I'm wondering if anyone out there knows if qualcom will give you chipset schematics and data sheets there site seems fairly sparse....
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Unlikely. Qualcomm considers the information proprietary and requires you to contact support. See Where are the datasheets?
Here are some! Hack away!
Hi, XDA Community!
Is it possible to make my own Android console with components off the internet?
I was mainly aiming to by the OUYA but betting on a Tegra3 device isn't convincing enough after seeing the potential Tegra4 has.
So, is there a way to make my out Tegra4 device with simple AOSP ROM to hook with my TV and use whatever I like???
If you have to ask, then no. Do you own the necessary equipment to even solder a tegra chip to the main board?
That's exactly my question.
Is it anywhere possible to create an Android console with PC-like components?
You can give this a whirl I suppose.
www.howchip.com/shop/item.php?it_id=BRIX5250A
www.gamestick.tv
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That Exynos board looks nice enough though I was looking for one with Tegra4 for game support.
Samsung is doing a good job too, anyway ?
And for the second link, it looks good plug-and-play-wise but its components are a bit out of date (only 1GB RAM... etc.).
Still good to know there's people working on that, though.
Seeing how I can't let go of my Android phone, I wanted a full entertainment center on a bigger screen.
I thought the OUYA would blow my mind but then came more ?
Fredrick Sylar said:
That Exynos board looks nice enough though I was looking for one with Tegra4 for game support.
Samsung is doing a good job too, anyway ?
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I find it extremely unlikely that Tegra 4 would come out with a Dev Board of some sort. Tegra is generally quite closed when it comes to this sort of thing. Samsung on the other hand does license its chips to other people.
Then probably waiting a little for a board with their Octa chip.
I don't know if it was possible but a custom kernel to operate with all 8 cores and liquid coolant would make one badass entertainment center ?
EDIT: thanks fellas.
You've been really helpful.
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I've have a 32GB Nexus 9 LTE for almost 2 years now, and she's been great, but, as most folks here will understand, I WANTED MORE RAM!! I picked up a Pixel C a month ago, and decided it was time to give the RAM upgrade a shot. Since I have the Pixel, if the worst happened during the upgrade attempt it wouldn't be the end of the world.
WELL, IT WORKED!!
I am working on a video tutorial, but wanted to share the good news with everyone!!
While I wouldn't describe my N9 as "laggy", it most definitely had it's bottleneck issues, especially on RAM intensive tasks like Chrome w/ multiple tabs open. Luckily, the LPDDR3 module is not stacked on the SoC in a SoP configuration . . THANK GOD TOO!! Because 2GB of RAM on a CPU this beastly is like putting a 100mph governor on an Indy Car. It took me a while, but I was FINALLY able to snag a 32Gb (514Mb x x64) single module (That's 4GB BTW). It's not that I couldn't find the right module; what held me back was waiting for Samsung to release the single module 64Gb (8GB) 253-Ball VFBGA LPDDR3. The Tegra K1 supports up to 8GB of LPDDR3 or DDR3L, but since the Nexus 9's board is built with support for a single VFBGA RAM module, you only have support for one. I got impatient and went with a 4GB module. The module is 1866MHz, but it runs at 1600MHz, so I don't think the K1 supports higher than 1600MHz (800MHz x 2), but I could be wrong. I didn't wanna push my luck with such an invasive upgrade, so I didn't look into pushing it to its rated 1866MHz. Besides, the stock module is 1600MHz anyway, and that's plenty fast for what I'm using my N9 for. I know it supports DDR3L, but I didn't wanna create compatibility insanity, so I played it safe, sticking with the exact same module brand (Elpida/Micron), type (LPDDR3), speed (800MHz x 2), and package size (VFBGA 253-Ball), but with a higher density (512Mb x x64 = 32Gb, or, 4GB). After removing the stock module, and careful placement and reflow, I was kinda surprised when I turned it on and it just worked. Not that I expected a problem, but y'all know how it goes. :fingers-crossed:
Props to Nvidia for an extremely flexible SoC. :good:
*(I will put the module details below if anyone wants to do what I did and upgrade their N9's RAM)*
After the upgrade, I decided to address the Tegra's heat issues. Long ago, I deduced that the cooling solution was lacking, if even there at all. So while I had her opened up, I spread some MX-4 between the SoC and an extremely thin copper square which acts as a heat-sink. Then I used a teeny-tiny vapor chamber heat pipe that was originally attached to a VRM cooler on a busted SuperMicro server board. After welding the heat pipe onto the copper plate, I cut out a small hole in the back cover and connected the condensing side of the heat pipe to a small, flat flat-finned VRM heat-sink. The heat pipe is obnoxiously long, so I had to get kinda creative with the spacing. I did consider using a teeny-tiny fan, but that seemed like overkill lol, not to mention the reduction in battery life. I made a small vented cover, but there is a noticeable bump on the rear cover, but with my case on it, and the fact that it's almost always on a stand, it hasn't been an issue.
Now, with a REAL cooling solution in place, I was able to use flar2's overclocking options on his kernel via his EX Kernel Manager app. With the CPU at 2.5GHz (up from 2.3GHz stock), and the GPU at 984MHz (up from 852MHz stock), along with several other tweaks, she has been AMAZING ever since, with zero lag, zero random reboots, etc. With fsync disabled, I consistently score between 120,000 and 130,000 on Antutu, depending on governor settings. I couldn't really push her prior to the cooling solution without some major throttling, but those days are OVER!! I don't know why Google/HTC didn't at least use SOMETHING as a cooling solution. Even a small thermal dissipation pad and a little piece of vented copper would've been more than enough to keep the throttling at bay. Not Nvidia's fault, I'm assuming their specs call for a specific Tcase for proper functionality, and I guess they didn't push her all that hard in the testing phase.
I'm working on a video tutorial & step by step guide for the RAM upgrade and the cooling solution, so if that's something you'd wanna do to your N9 (and if you're good with micro repair, I absolutely think you should do it!), I should have it up on the N9 forum by mid-week.
* The module I replaced the stock 16Gb (2GB) with is made by Micron/Elpida. The product number is:
- MT52L512M64D4PQ-107 WT -
There is another module with a VERY SIMILAR product number, with the same specs, but different BGA mounting & ball count: MT52L512M64D4GN-107 WT. I actually made this mistake and assumed the module was VFBGA, but it's actually WFVGA (256-Ball), and the voltage loop-back logic pads are NOT compatible with the N9's VFBGA module pads. Just stay away from any module that ends in 'GN' and you'll be alright.
I'm highly anticipating your video and this is absolutely fantastic news! I have 2 questions for you however since I'll be a little new on this installation:
1. Was the RAM module that was made from Samsung released? If yes is there a way to order it? I highly believe that with 8gb of LPDDR3 this tablet has a huge potential for future proofing and will eliminate the need to buy a tablet for a long long time.
2. Are there any specific tools or equipment I need to buy in order to follow your installation?
I'm highly looking forward to your reply and thank you so much for the upcoming guide.
Following....
Looking forward for that video.
I'm quite excited!!
4/8G on a tablet!!!
When is that 8G chip coming out?
https://www.avnet.com/shop/us/p/mt5...5626301278?CMP=EMA_Octopart_inventoryfeed_VSE right? Where did you get yours ?
I seriously doubt that 8gb would bring anything more comparing with 4gb. I think the main bottleneck is cpu architecture. It's very strange that 2 strong cores stutter more than some 8 core cpus. Nvidia doesn't have as large experience with cpus and has made mistakes, while it has largest exps with gpu.
Firstly, let me say, well done. :highfive:
Someone had to do it and you were brave enough to put your money on the line. Respect.
Any idea how you upgrade performs compared to a standard Nexus 9? It would be cool if you could get another and do a side by side test.
A part of me wishes you could have just upgraded the RAM and compared to a standard Nexus 9 as we will never know which of your upgrades has the biggest effect.
Just wanted to give everyone a quick update.
Work has been sucking up all of my time, but I have the day off tomorrow so I should be able to get the guide/tutorial up by the end of the weekend.
She's still running wonderfully, however I did decide to go the itty-bitty fan route just to see if there was a difference, and sure enough, I got my idle temp hovering around 30C - 35C, so I may add a step for an optional fan installation. I found a super slim battery pack and a 5V Raspberry Pi fan and it worked like a charm. I just need to figure out a way to tidy up the wiring.
Anyhoo, happy Saturday, and stay tuned!
Can we order these from somewhere? Everywhere i looked have zero in stock.
Looking forward for the video tutorial. While I do not have a tablet replacement for mine, I will still do this!
The thing I'm most worried about is flashing the firmware back to the new chip.
Things I think I'll need .
#1 A tool that can read and write to the chip so we can backup or restore.(those tools cost like 100$+)
#2 soldering iron or something to detach and reattach the chip.
PS. I'm really looking for that 8G ram chip.
I will need to compile a new kernel to support more than 4G but that's no problem.
This memory eMMC NAND Flash chip KLMCG8GEAC-B001-BGA-64GB seems to be similar to ours. Just curious will this one fits? :fingers-crossed:
Maybe Need4Sneed broke his tablet.
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Maybe Need4Sneed broke his tablet.
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Maybe...
Marky__Mark said:
Maybe Need4Sneed broke his tablet.
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Or maybe he doesn't have the time to make the video yet because he's busy with life. Let's wait and see. I'm optimistic nonetheless because in the case that happens he could have said it earlier and this thread would have been closed .
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Or maybe he doesn't have the time to make the video yet because he's busy with life. Let's wait and see. I'm optimistic nonetheless because in the case that happens he could have said it earlier and this thread would have been closed .
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Maybe, maybe not. Im interested in this too, but Ill believe it when I see it.
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Maybe, maybe not. Im interested in this too, but Ill believe it when I see it.
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I'm with you 100% on that . Let's assume the best in either case scenario.
It seems that it is not as easy as the author tells us.
And I doubt that he has something that works, or he did at least what he writes about.
Vartom said:
It seems that it is not as easy as the author tells us.
And I doubt that he has something that works, or he did at least what he writes about.
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He probably broke his tablet installing that fan and who knows what else.
But it would a dream, upgrading this tablet to 4g ram and 64 gb storage,.. Too good to be true...
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At the very least, this guy can at least tell us where he got his.
@Need4Sneed
Are things ok?