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Does your 'Phonepad' input method work?

Hi, when entering text on the touchscreen, if you click the small keyboard icon at the bottom you get a choice of input methods like Transcriber, Keyboard, Phonepad... For me, when I click Phonepad it just brings up the regular QWERTY keyboard, not the nice chunky Phonepad skin that 2003 used to use for T9 input. Anyone got this same problem or is it just me?

I've never had a 2003 device, so I'm not sure if it's the same as 2003 or not, but I definitely get a phone pad type thing when I click on phonepad with my Jasjar.
HTH,
Brett

Is it the same Phonepad you get with the 'Keyboard' option from that menu, or is it a sort of 3D modelled effect numeric keypad only with the T9 alphabet on the number keys?
If the latter, anyone any idea why mine isn't?

It's definitely different than the Keyboard option and it sounds like what you're describing... a sort of 3D phone dial pad thing with a couple of extra buttons thrown in (arrows mostly).
I have no idea why yours isn't working... as much of a pain as it is, maybe try a hard reset? I had a problem getting my LED to notify me of new mail messages... it seemed to work for everyone but me. Finally I gave in and did the hard reset and it's been working fine since.
Brett

Just as I got it all how I like it!
Is there a good, free, backup program out there for WM2005?

Ok this is weird, it wasn't working, then I messed with some of the Phonepad Options (changed language, unticked boxes, etc.) to try to trip it into life, and it worked!
Then stopped working
Back to just Keyboard now. Any other ideas guys? Maybe a registry entry that tells the device what applet to call upon to show the input method?

Mine is very dodgy too. It works at times and then at other times changing to is simply causes the standard keyboard to appear. I *think* it's a memory issue as I've found that closing all applications through the task manager, then changing the input method to Block Recognizer and then back to phone pad sometimes works.
I've tried more than one hard reset without any luck...
Dave

Mine is very dodgy too. It works at times and then at other times changing to is simply causes the standard keyboard to appear. I *think* it's a memory issue as I've found that closing all applications through the task manager, then changing the input method to Block Recognizer and then back to phone pad sometimes works.
I've tried more than one hard reset without any luck...
Dave

Glad its not just me. Damn that memory issue!

Try to make Phonepad als default
Same Problem,
no memory Problem.
Try to make PhonePad als default SIP. It works fine on my MDA Compact (Marican) GERMAN T-Mobile
But when i switch back to Keyboard it will hang.

Somewhere on this site's FTP ftp://[email protected]/ there is a phonepad application you can download. I did and it re-installed the program which then worked. You could try that. Good luck!

I had the same problem and used the a quick fix for it disappearing found somewhere on the forum,
something along the lines of do a reset
go into contacts
choose phonepad input method
and it will display correctly until next time it goes wrong.
However upgrading to the latest rom it has never disappeared for me yet.

03 has no such keypad. Not on my XDA2 anyway. There is a 3rd party app called Quickey though which does the job reasonably.

I think the problems with the phone pad entry has been fixed in the last 2 software updates from O2 - are you still on the old versions?
I had the same problems when I first got my Exec but not had any issues with it for a while now.
Smiffy.

Has anyone found the fix to the phone pad issue? Been around in the FTP site but do not find the phone pad application. Any kind souls to help?

there is no fix for the keypad issue i looked and looked and looked the only way i got it to reappear was by upgrading to a new rom it still wouldn't appear with any other rom previous to aku 2 either but now i am running on summiter's aku 2.2 rom for my wizard and it works great and the phone pad is there

Is there an solution out there?
I have the same problem with my htc p3600.. the phonepad does not appear...

Solution Found
I have a solution and it works for me...
1)Switch off any devices like WiFi, Bluetooth, and for the moment disable any start-up applications (from starting) - To minimize system memory usage
I have done it with SPB Pocket Plus. It can disable any start-up application becuase it starts in "safe-mode"...
2)Remove CF and SD storage cards - There have been some bugs reported for storage cards where they may drain system resources if too many applications are loaded on the cards.
3)Select the default keyboard as the default input method - To temporarily prevent other input methods from being the default method
4)Soft reset the device
5)Open an application like Notes/Word
6)Select Phone Pade as the input method by clicking on the screen's bottom right icon's arrow and selecting Phone Pad from the list of available input options.
7)You should be able to use Phone Pad in all other applications as well as switching on WiFi and the start-up applications.
For me works fine, after soft reset !!!
Please try this solution.... and give us feedback!!
Greetings chrisonline

annoying software keyboard popup in landscape mode

with my german MDA Pro I experience a very annoying behavior of the software keybord (the one displayed on the screen). Whenver I focus an textfield (i.e. pocketIE adressbar, or when renaming a file in total commander etc.) that software keyboard pops up. Now as long as I am in portrait mode that MIGHT be a helpful feature. But when I am in landscape mode and I have the hardwarekeyboard available this is useless and annoying. So is there a way to surpress this? I seems that this popup does nto happen always. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't - I just was not able to find out what it depends on.

Same Prob too.
It sucks !
Someone can help ?

PHM PowerToys has an "Extended Keyboard SIP" bundled in with all its other goodies. No keyboard pops up when you select that as your default input method.
I found a "ripped" version of just the keyboard SIP without having to install all the other stuff.
http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/phmpocketpcpowertoys.shtml (watch for popups)
http://www.beyondthetech.com/downloads/phone/PHMPPCPT.Rpr_ARM_SIPonly.CAB
Let me know if this works for you.

what does this keyboard tool actually do? does it just set some registry setting ? can I uninstall it after I have run it ? Or must this App raun ALL THE TIME to make it work ? (the latter would suck since eats ressources)

It just add another SIP into your other one
But this time, it will show nothing so you can use your keyboard freely
And no, it should not take up any resource, if any, it will be very very very little

Fear not chaps, I posted about this and just use the hard keyboard and it 'learns' not to pop up in landscape mode.
Hope it helps

it does learn, but i think it learned by selecting an alternative input as the default.

Disable Autocomplete

Would someone please tell me how to get rid of this new autocomplete, it's really slowing me down...I already tried turning off Word Completion in Settings -> Input.

I haven't seen that type of auto-complete before, but it looks rather good. What SIP are you using? Is it a new function in the latest ROM's or have you added a third party SIP?

Came with my Sprint Touch. It shows up whenever I use the built in block recognizer. Normally I wouldn't mind since it can be helpful for those really long words, but this one really really slows down my Touch and causes my strokes to be recognized incorrectly

Seemed to have figured it out, I just had to disable the Wordcompletion keys under HKLM\Software\Tegic
grahamkdt said:
I haven't seen that type of auto-complete before, but it looks rather good. What SIP are you using? Is it a new function in the latest ROM's or have you added a third party SIP?
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It also looks like this is provided by the new fullscreen keyboard SIP added to the Sprint Touch

comes in the new rom.. i cant find anyway to off it too..

I installed the new Touch Keyboard and Touch Keypad found in these pages (somewhere ?? sorry not sure...) and this now appears on the default keyboard.

Totally agree: it sucks big time. I couldn't find a way to turn it off also, so I eventually flash a rom without it

hi EliteXen,
could you be more specific which reg key under
HKLM\Software\Tegic
you changed to disable the autocomplete? thanks.

To turn off the XT9 autocomplete for non-Touch keyboards:
Go to HKLM\SOFTWARE\Tegic\eT9\ and change the key "XT9SupportMSSip" from value "1" to "0"
However, to turn it off within a Touch keyboard I think you need to go to "Options" for the keyboard --> XT9 Settings --> uncheck everything...

Can't use "Word Completion" on the Touch?? (Only XT9??)
Turned off XT9 as above but apparently the normal Windows Mobile "Word Completion" doesn't work??
Is it possible to use the normal "Word Completion" or is that functionality not included since they included XT9?
(I actually think XT9 does better prediction that "Word Completion" but XT9 prevents various 3rd-party keyboards/SIPs from working ...)

Here's some info: installed the dictionary editor from http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-word-completion-dictionary-editor-v1-3-2342-39581.html and it showed no entries in the system. Added a couple entries and saved them to the main dictionary so there are entries now, but they still aren't popping up as suggestions
What would be really great is if XT9 can be enabled and NOT interfere with 3rd-party SIPs. (For me, it prevents the "macros" function in MessagEase from working...) Otherwise, would love to be able to re-enable the Windows Mobile "Word Completion" if anyone knows how...

One of my problems (mostly) fixed
Apparently I'll just be sitting around posting repeatedly to this thread all day
Okay, here's something that can help if you are having trouble with XT9 interfering with a 3rd party SIP but you want to KEEP XT9's autocompletion rather than have no autocompletion at all...
The below fix made it possible for MessagEase macros to work along with XT9 being activated, although it looks a bit funky when MessagEase macros are being expanded (as the macro is being typed by MessagEase, XT9 is trapping every character and making new guesses, and then it remembers the macro as a new "autocomplete" phrase).
So here's how to make MessagEase and XT9 work together:
1) DON'T do the registry change described earlier (HKLM\SOFTWARE\Tegic\eT9\XT9SupportMSSip) --> if that entry was already changed to 0, change it back to 1 because we want it active again...and if you make a registry change then you'll have to turn the device off/back on and reboot as usual)
2) from the keyboard selector (the up arrow on lower right of screen), select "Options"-->then select "Touch Keyboard" and tap "Options" button
3) click "XT9 Settings" button --> uncheck everything EXCEPT "Word Completion"
4) click "Ok" a bunch of times
Now MessagEase macros work although XT9 is try to trap every character MessagEase is writing...
[[One note: I *love* MessagEase but haven't used the macros in a long time as there was a bug that started happening due to the "macros" function (I called it Mad WM5 Syndrome: everything started going crazy and you had to reboot). So Exideas made a MessagEase "Lite" version without macro functionality that is very stable...They tried to fix the non-"Lite" version but the last one I tried (long ago) still caused the problem on a PPC-6700...So now I'm trying the non-"Lite" version again, hoping the macro function will work without causing "Mad WM5 Syndrome"...I will post back if the mad syndrome returns!]]
Aaron

Well unfortunately I don't have much to add, but since you're the only one posting on this thread I thought I'd echo your desires for the standard windows word completion. I like to use the keypad at times and xt9 works just fine for that, but when I'm using my hardware keyboard I'm unable to get word completion back. I miss it!
GOod job with the work-around mentioned in your last post. I think I'd prefer the normal word completion to xt9's though, so hopefully someone can figure out a way to to limit xt9's "influence" to only those times that you're using the touch keypads.

ajg23 said:
So now I'm trying the non-"Lite" version again, hoping the macro function will work without causing "Mad WM5 Syndrome"...I will post back if the mad syndrome returns!]]
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Unfortunately, "Mad WM5 Syndrome" has become "Mad WM6 Syndrome" with the non-LITE version of MessagEase on my HTC Touch. So I'm back to using the LITE version of MessagEase without macros However, it's great using MessagEase on the Touch because you can slide right off the keyboard as there's no "ledge" between the screen and the rest of the device

[POLL] What is the best SIP?

I've been trying a few SW keyboards now and none of them have actually fit my needs. I love the blackstone one, but it just gives too much trouble with the HW keyboard and nobody seems to be able (or arsed) to fix it.
So, here's my question, which SW keyboard do you think is best, and why?

I used the Touch HD keyboard (blackstone) or resco keyboard pro.

theres also pocketcm keyboard,

And Spb, which I prefer to Resco Keyboard.

touchpal for me. only recently discovered it and the great features that it has. the fact that you can switch between different keyboard layouts / key sizes just by sweeping your fingers and the ability to cut / copy / paste / page up / select all, etc makes it even better.

MY PREFERRED SIP IS NOT LISTED !!
The best SIP is the one that DOESN'T AUTO-POP UP in Opera LOL

This's my favourite keyboard
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=426281
Works fine with the HW Keyboard and I disabled auto-deploy in Advance Config

toucam said:
This's my favourite keyboard
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=426281
Works fine with the HW Keyboard and I disabled auto-deploy in Advance Config
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You say it is working fine with the hardware keyboard, but does it still let you access country-specific characters by using the au-key?

I would have liked to add options, but I can't. Moderator!?

I like the Blackstone Keyboard but not sure why it will pause for a while when I am typing SMS, any solution to that?

Does the blackstone keyboard install as a separate SIP? In case I don't like it, at least i can remove it.

I'm using FingerTouch Pro and it is very good.

How to prevent applications from changing SIP?

Till now I've been using the HD2's standard HTC keyboard as SIP, as I haven't found anything I was really satisfied with.
Until yesterday I installed Resco Keyboard Pro 6 Beta, which is just fantastic (read about it elsewhere in the forum). Perfect for HD2.
But now, I've discovered that a number of my apps changes the SIP back to standard HTC when I open them. Resco's option to make its keyboard the default SIP does work. After soft-reset, it's still the default SIP in most programs.
So I tried installing Fingerkeyboard, SPB Keyboard, etc, just to make sure it wasn't Resco's fault (as it's a beta version anyway...). The same happened with all the other 3rd party keyboards.
Is there anyway to prevent apps from changing the SIP? It's driving me crazy, have to manually switch back to Resco everytime I open those stupid apps (which I depend on at work ) Thank you in advance.

Use XDA google search and look for a programme/cab file called sipchange.
Install it then select the keyboard type you want as your default; problem solved.
WB

Not that simple, I'm afraid. My problem is not how to set Resco as the default keyboard after SR. Get that already with Resco's own inbuilt option. Then I tried using both SIPChange and default_IM_WM5.cab. It still happens, some of my apps changes the keyboard back to standard when executed (and it is not about setting the delay in SIPChange, I'm talking about after all the processes during SR).

That's strange. Never had this problem with Sipchange installed.
You are certain that you have set your preferred default keyboard via the sipchange utility? That's how you get the keyboard you want to boot up after a SR.
If yes then not sure what else to suggest.
WB

Hi, I am having the same problem. One example of such software is Lingvosoft, when you hit search key, the keyboard pop opens, but with default keyboard, even after using sipchange.

I was thinking maybe there's a way to disable the standard HTC keyboards all together through the reg. But that's asking for trouble/hard-reset
What to do...

I think the problem is that using SIPChange, DefaultIM.cab, nueSIPdefault, etc, none of these really changes the value of "defaultim" at controlpanel\sip. It remains with the standard keyboard's CLSID.
I'm really tempted to change this value to Resco's, but reading around here in this forum shows a lot of people having big trouble afterwards messing with this value (mainly because they used the wrong CLSID?) and required a hard-reset...