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Development has been integrated with the new rootfs.
Please see the thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=584707
New version coming soon:
Version 2.3 info:
-Newer simplified setup, whether you use a partition or not you will use the same files;
- fixed copying issues that were stopping some Donut builds from working. All builds should now work file.
-there are no additional files unlike previous builds.
- support for a data partition as well.
- supports all phones that the rootfs is supporting, kaiser vogue diamond etc.
Version 2.2 info;
updated for better data file backup naming.
updated to support donut
updated to support wifi (thanks enate for this)
Version 2 info;
On boot it will prompt you to boot the new recovery image, if you press a key it will load the recovery image, (the first boot you must do this to install the system) if not it will boot as normal.
If you have a system.sqsh on your sd card it will prompt you to install to your ext2 partition
- after installing the system it will move it to /sdcard/installedsystem/installedsystem.sqsh
- it will move your data file to /sdcard/datafilebackup/data$date
and create a new one. After the inital boot you can reboot and copy back your data file again.
There is one caveat that was pointed out to me today. Do not change systems twice in one day unless you don't care about your data. Because it creates the data file based on date it will overwright the old one.
Why not data to? Well our current data.img solution is awesome for backing it up.
What's coming;
Native support for update.zip's from the dream themes forum.
Menu support with several different usefull options for setting up android (this is proving to be tough but I'm working on it)
here it is!
http://code.google.com/p/vogue-andr...name=recoverfiles2.2.rar&can=2&q=#makechanges

mssmison said:
Hey guys, I've got something new coming for vogue android, I need 2 people with VOGUES's only to test something for me.
Requirements; linux install, vogue only, be able to provide bug reports, be serious!
pm me; I'm hoping to have testing ready by the end of the day.
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sure
have linux and vogue pmed you. dang, guess i didnt pm you in time...

I don't know what this is, but you've sure got me curious as hell.
If you need another tester, let me know.

Well looks like I'm not in the closed beta, but I'm looking forward to this with great excitement. With the loss of Zen, it's good to have you back and active on this stuff again. This wouldn't happen to be Android running natively on our little wonder-units would it?

stickus said:
Well looks like I'm not in the closed beta, but I'm looking forward to this with great excitement. With the loss of Zen, it's good to have you back and active on this stuff again. This wouldn't happen to be Android running natively on our little wonder-units would it?
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Technically, Android doesnt run "native" on any device. You don't have to port a device to android..just the linux kernel to get api's to work. I know your refering to booting android on our faster but much smaller enternal flash but the speed difference would be minimal and we would be confinded to smaller builds. I think it has to do with a memory limitation in android from the dalvik vm it uses. I'm not 100% sure on what im talking about but this is the impression ive had for android for a while. Please enlighten me if I have missed something..

posting in epic thread

stickus said:
Well looks like I'm not in the closed beta, but I'm looking forward to this with great excitement. With the loss of Zen, it's good to have you back and active on this stuff again. This wouldn't happen to be Android running natively on our little wonder-units would it?
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It's been stated before and I'll state it again, the speed of the nand (internal memory) on the vogue is very slow. Making android boot from the nand would be a step backwards... What I'm hoping I've got it a step forwards

mssmison said:
It's been stated before and I'll state it again, the speed of the nand (internal memory) on the vogue is very slow. Making android boot from the nand would be a step backwards... What I'm hoping I've got it a step forwards
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Interesting.
I really don't understand why the internal NAND is so slow. Windows Mobile runs just fine from NAND, so why would running Android from it be any different?
Alternatively, it seems that a flashable Android would be much more convenient, and permanent.
I'm very curious to know what you're working on, mssmison.

Shidell said:
Interesting.
I really don't understand why the internal NAND is so slow. Windows Mobile runs just fine from NAND, so why would running Android from it be any different?
Alternatively, it seems that a flashable Android would be much more convenient, and permanent.
I'm very curious to know what you're working on, mssmison.
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Duel booting would a better option in my opinion..wm is just a better mini PC OS(Windows) and Android is a better phone/internet OS . This makes our devices even more versitle then phones just running android. I dont get how just having android would makes things better..since we just manually boot android instead of it booting once the phones is turned on...how about a linux bootloader that launches before wm does..and a graphical UI to choose from the two OS's

ajclai08 said:
Duel booting would a better option in my opinion..wm is just a better mini PC OS(Windows) and Android is a better phone/internet OS . This makes our devices even more versitle then phones just running android. I dont get how just having android would makes things better..since we just manually boot android instead of it booting once the phones is turned on...how about a linux bootloader that launches before wm does..and a graphical UI to choose from the two OS's
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My understanding is that there isn't enough room to dual-boot both WinMo and Android from the NAND on the Vogue.
You could possibly put the bootloader in NAND and run WinMo and Android from storage, but that sorta defeats the purpose.

mssmison said:
It's been stated before and I'll state it again, the speed of the nand (internal memory) on the vogue is very slow. Making android boot from the nand would be a step backwards... What I'm hoping I've got it a step forwards
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Sounds delicious.

UHHHHHH
Well this sounds cool, Nice to see that you are back......CANT WAIT......
DROID FOR LIFE

Freezell said:
Well this sounds cool, Nice to see that you are back......CANT WAIT......
DROID FOR LIFE
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I never left.. I was just working in the background

what's the harm in saying what's being worked on?

bug666 said:
what's the harm in saying what's being worked on?
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Suspense is just too much fun....?

If all goes well I should have something tomorrow night for everyone.

hintttttttttttt lol

mssmison said:
If all goes well I should have something tomorrow night for everyone.
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Is it gonna require serious work to do, like flashing a rom? Or still just files on an SDCard, just in a different way?

TheKartus said:
Is it gonna require serious work to do, like flashing a rom? Or still just files on an SDCard, just in a different way?
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..............

lol, i've been working on stuff in the background too. haha.
but anyways, i was like wtf, this is a total bs thread, then i saw your name everywhere. haha. so i guess it's not.
good to see a vogue developer still around!!
I'm working on getting another one so I can mess with the vogue again. it's a fun phone.

When can we get WM7 in HD2 ??????

I want to ask if we can get wm7 in HD2
after week, month
Please can you answer me Is it possible to run wm7 in HD2
And when we can get
and What is the difficulty of it
Thank you

m_mansour2 said:
I want to ask if we can get wm7 in HD2
after week, month
Please can you answer me Is it possible to run wm7 in HD2
And when we can get
and What is the difficulty of it
Thank you
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Unfortunately not and probably not for the foreseable future. Everyone is still waiting for NAND Android which appartantly was beleived that a fully working NAND ROM would be released near the end of September. Looks as tho its taking alot longer than they thought it would. However Android seem to be the main focus and not much is known about the development of WP7 on the HD2 apart from somebody has done it but it can't be released yet probably not much is working on it so just keep looking out every week or so as It won't be out anytime soon

why would you want it? it is inferior to WinMo 6.5 in most key areas
1. tethering (while it does support it, most of if not all of the harware is locked so the functionality is not exposed)
2. copy paste (yeah yeah we hear it's coming but it should have been there from the get go)
3. functionality as removable storage is not present nor is it supported by wp7 if you hack it to work (requires a hack on eacj host PC you connect the phone to)
4. UI customizing (WTF were they thinking?)
5. multi tasking for third party apps (they have appearantly reversed decisions on this)
6. BT functionality is limited.

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anhyeuemmaimai said:
why would you want it? it is inferior to WinMo 6.5 in most key areas
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for me, cause i want a fast and stable system (sense isnt this rock stable and standard ui gives me not enough informations)...
anhyeuemmaimai said:
1. tethering (while it does support it, most of if not all of the harware is locked so the functionality is not exposed)
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never needed
anhyeuemmaimai said:
2. copy paste (yeah yeah we hear it's coming but it should have been there from the get go)
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i used it a couple of times and it was always hard bull
anhyeuemmaimai said:
3. functionality as removable storage is not present nor is it supported by wp7 if you hack it to work (requires a hack on eacj host PC you connect the phone to)
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pain in the ass...realy, hope ms will support this in future....but the main thing i need this, the media player didnt support playback my folder structure...so i dont care
anhyeuemmaimai said:
4. UI customizing (WTF were they thinking?)
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dont care
anhyeuemmaimai said:
5. multi tasking for third party apps (they have appearantly reversed decisions on this)
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dont care
anhyeuemmaimai said:
6. BT functionality is limited.
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dont care

0711 said:
for me, cause i want a fast and stable system (sense isnt this rock stable and standard ui gives me not enough informations)...
never needed
i used it a couple of times and it was always hard bull
pain in the ass...realy, hope ms will support this in future....but the main thing i need this, the media player didnt support playback my folder structure...so i dont care
dont care
dont care
dont care
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tHUS,
We DONT CARE

0711 said:
for me, cause i want a fast and stable system (sense isnt this rock stable and standard ui gives me not enough informations)...
never needed
i used it a couple of times and it was always hard bull
pain in the ass...realy, hope ms will support this in future....but the main thing i need this, the media player didnt support playback my folder structure...so i dont care
dont care
dont care
dont care
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Firstly visit www.htc.com and make sure you're running the latest ROM.
Then install SPB Mobile Shell 3.5, it's available via the MS market place as a free trial.
Also install S2P, it's a great music player which you can direct to monitor specific folders rather than adding every mp3 on your phone. Also re-size or replace your album art to 480x480 as it can take advantage of this.
I've done the above and have a fast, efficient and most importantly, stable Leo.
You can give it a go for no more than what? 30 minutes of your life? Do it next time you're sat on the toilet.

0711 said:
for me, cause i want a fast and stable system (sense isnt this rock stable and standard ui gives me not enough informations)...
never needed
i used it a couple of times and it was always hard bull
pain in the ass...realy, hope ms will support this in future....but the main thing i need this, the media player didnt support playback my folder structure...so i dont care
dont care
dont care
dont care
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fast stable OS? rally? reports are wp7 is slower at launching apps than it's predcessor....
just because you don't need it does not mean it is not a significant shortcoming
you have issues if you can't use copy and paste (you know something that has been a staple of windows since it's inception over 25 years ago)
no way to change the UI to your liking? YAY! I get the same crappy look as everyone else..
Multitasking is essential unless you love having those long delays in WP7 when launching apps over and over again because you are using an app and you get a ph call.... better hope your developer wrote that app correctly so it saves your state......
BT file transfer something from your friend's phone to yours? Opps you are SOL.....

anhyeuemmaimai said:
fast stable OS? rally? reports are wp7 is slower at launching apps than it's predcessor....
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Seriously, forget any report or review you read. Play with it yourself. I was VERY skeptical about WP7 and was utterly overwhelmed by it when I had a go with a HD7 recently. Seriously, it really is the smoothest and fastest UI I've ever seen, and it all makes sense when you're actually using it and not just watching a video.
anhyeuemmaimai said:
Multitasking is essential unless you love having those long delays in WP7 when launching apps over and over again because you are using an app and you get a ph call.... better hope your developer wrote that app correctly so it saves your state......
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That's exactly the point... it's down to the developers to correctly code their apps to save state when required. That means Microsoft have put in place a way to handle multiple applications being used asynchronously.

I cant wait for WP7 to work properly on the HD2 because I really want to start playing the xbox live games on it. But I doubt itll be fast and stable lol, I imagine it will be quite slow and crappy. + very ugly

anhyeuemmaimai said:
why would you want it? it is inferior to WinMo 6.5 in most key areas
1. tethering (while it does support it, most of if not all of the harware is locked so the functionality is not exposed)
2. copy paste (yeah yeah we hear it's coming but it should have been there from the get go)
3. functionality as removable storage is not present nor is it supported by wp7 if you hack it to work (requires a hack on eacj host PC you connect the phone to)
4. UI customizing (WTF were they thinking?)
5. multi tasking for third party apps (they have appearantly reversed decisions on this)
6. BT functionality is limited.
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7. It will rape your SD card. WP7 actually uses the "secure" in secure digital.

Callumpy said:
I cant wait for WP7 to work properly on the HD2 because I really want to start playing the xbox live games on it. But I doubt itll be fast and stable lol, I imagine it will be quite slow and crappy. + very ugly
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Don't hold your breath for any of those features seen as WP7 has a private key which bonds the hardware and software so i can't see the HD2 ever accessing any of the main features of WP7 (online anyway).

johncmolyneux said:
Seriously, forget any report or review you read. Play with it yourself. I was VERY skeptical about WP7 and was utterly overwhelmed by it when I had a go with a HD7 recently. Seriously, it really is the smoothest and fastest UI I've ever seen, and it all makes sense when you're actually using it and not just watching a video.
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I've posted about it before, I wouldn't say I found it slow, more long winded.
Rather than opening the apps instantly it seemed to want to make a song and dance about everything when really I just wanted to get going.
The HTC hub and weather for instance takes it to the extreme (not recomended for people who suffer travel sickness!)
Ok it's not "go away and make a cuppa" time (or go away and read War and Peace like when a BB reboots), but I did find it frustrating. It may indeed be quicker than on the HD2, but it certainly didn't feel it.
I kept wanting to open task manager to see how many apps were running and slowing it down.

xaccers said:
I've posted about it before, I wouldn't say I found it slow, more long winded.
Rather than opening the apps instantly it seemed to want to make a song and dance about everything when really I just wanted to get going.
The HTC hub and weather for instance takes it to the extreme (not recomended for people who suffer travel sickness!)
Ok it's not "go away and make a cuppa" time (or go away and read War and Peace like when a BB reboots), but I did find it frustrating. It may indeed be quicker than on the HD2, but it certainly didn't feel it.
I kept wanting to open task manager to see how many apps were running and slowing it down.
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Yeah, I do agree that a lot goes on when you run something. There's always some transition or other taking place, and I can see that this would annoy some people instantly, and everyone else eventually. I didn't dig around looking for any customisation options for the UI, so I don't know if it can be tidied up in any way (like Android's animation options in display settings).
The HTC stuff was way more excessive than just regular apps though. Totally!

H3ALY said:
Don't hold your breath for any of those features seen as WP7 has a private key which bonds the hardware and software so i can't see the HD2 ever accessing any of the main features of WP7 (online anyway).
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Holy crap, that sucks. Time to save up for a HD7 then.

This thread makes good points. I can now say I can wait for WP7.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

H3ALY said:
Don't hold your breath for any of those features seen as WP7 has a private key which bonds the hardware and software so i can't see the HD2 ever accessing any of the main features of WP7 (online anyway).
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If you can jailbreak an iphone something similar will appear for this. I have high hopes for the future of this but probably won't have picked up enough for me to want it until next december when my contract finally ends lol

Jammie_1989 said:
If you can jailbreak an iphone something similar will appear for this. I have high hopes for the future of this but probably won't have picked up enough for me to want it until next december when my contract finally ends lol
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Think of it like xbox live on the 360 with the hacked firmwares. The chefs can do as much as they like to keep spoofing the phones so users will be able to use Zune, Windows Live, Xbox Live and other cloud services but either way Microsoft are not stupid and will keep putting a stop to it it will be short lived attempts. I would like WP7 on my HD2 myself but you have to be realistic MS have worked on a new OS and they will want to protect their new investment. IF WP7 is ported i'm pretty sure we wont have the online features for long and if anything WP7 on the HD2 will be more of a ZUNE player (offline). Don't compare the iPhone to the HD2 the iPhone is jailbroken to make use of the features it "has" this is a totally different kettle of fish porting an OS then expecting full features.

about the online cloud service, i think it is too early to say it can not be unlocked.
MS always do not want other people to crack the system. but, as you can see, windows 7 has been cracked perfectly.
just give developers more time to do their work. time will come

vista1984 said:
about the online cloud service, i think it is too early to say it can not be unlocked.
MS always do not want other people to crack the system. but, as you can see, windows 7 has been cracked perfectly.
just give developers more time to do their work. time will come
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How is a desktop/Laptop/Netbook/Tablet operating system anything like an OS for a smartphone that is locked to hardware and tied with a private key to the software. I've not said they won't get it running no doubt they will get the OS to run but the key features probally not be something that will be avaliable (online).

[Q] My 'Android HD2' Thinks its an HTC Legend?

Hello all,
I need a little help with this one..... I have been using Android as my main build for a while now (a few months), trying out different builds from all the Devs out there (thankyou all by the way), but im stuck with one issue. No matter what built i use on a fresh formatted card, my HD2 thinks its an HTC Legend. So, when i sync my phone to the PC, the picture of the HTC Legend is displayed. Also, some games want to operate with the HTC legend toggle stick, which obviously the HD2 doesnt have!!!
I really am missing the point somewhere, as its obviously not the android build that defines what phone my HD2 should be!!!!
What do i need to change?
I look forward to all your expert help on the matter.
Thanks

madoc77 said:
Hello all,
I need a little help with this one..... I have been using Android as my main build for a while now (a few months), trying out different builds from all the Devs out there (thankyou all by the way), but im stuck with one issue. No matter what built i use on a fresh formatted card, my HD2 thinks its an HTC Legend. So, when i sync my phone to the PC, the picture of the HTC Legend is displayed. Also, some games want to operate with the HTC legend toggle stick, which obviously the HD2 doesnt have!!!
I really am missing the point somewhere, as its obviously not the android build that defines what phone my HD2 should be!!!!
What do i need to change?
I look forward to all your expert help on the matter.
Thanks
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It may be that the builds of Android that you are using are based on the HTC Legend, so your phone will be that. Check you phone stats in you settings and see if it says the same thing.

Ok,
To make sure im not going mad.... that current build im using is MDJ Revolution (ACE) build 1.2. Now im pretty sure this is Desire HD build right?
Or does this mean its built to look like the Desire HD

madoc77 said:
Ok,
To make sure im not going mad.... that current build im using is MDJ Revolution (ACE) build 1.2. Now im pretty sure this is Desire HD build right?
Or does this mean its built to look like the Desire HD
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This is from TyTung's build page:
NexusHD2-FRG83D V1.8 PPP + RMNET
This is the latest, fastest, stable and clean *stock* Android build for HTC HD2.
This build includes Google Nexus One's OTA update (FRG83D - Android/Froyo 2.2.1). (released on Nov. 18, 2010)

Hey Deadmansink,
Thanks for your reply..... tried the Nexus build you recommended, but alas.. it does not sync to the pc (No option avail.). I pressume it is the Android build that defines the phone type, as you have mentioned and i have been just very unluck with my choice of build. Builds i used alot include the MDJ (ACE) as quoted before, MDJ Froyo HD, PhireMod Skinny Evo. I will look into this a little further, to make sure im not just being a Plum!!!

check out darkstone's build

Ok Everyone,
I have been conducting further research into this and i have read about looking at 'build.prop' inside the system of Android. I have looked at this file and i cant find anything that relates to the HTC Legend issue i have, or am i way off track here?
On the same subject, is it possible to change the 'Phone Model inside my current Android Build?

madoc77 said:
Ok Everyone,
I have been conducting further research into this and i have read about looking at 'build.prop' inside the system of Android. I have looked at this file and i cant find anything that relates to the HTC Legend issue i have, or am i way off track here?
On the same subject, is it possible to change the 'Phone Model inside my current Android Build?
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I think that you need to do a "Task29", the link is in my thread, it cleans the phone. Reformat you SD card, and do it as FAT32, within the phone, don't format on computer. Start from scratch. Sometimes, from switching out ROMS, poo-poo gets left behind and now it's time to pick it up because you're getting flies...huh?

madoc77 said:
Ok Everyone,
I have been conducting further research into this and i have read about looking at 'build.prop' inside the system of Android. I have looked at this file and i cant find anything that relates to the HTC Legend issue i have, or am i way off track here?
On the same subject, is it possible to change the 'Phone Model inside my current Android Build?
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It is located in system/etc/cid/default.xml
But you need a fresh data.img to apply the name.
Sent from my HD2 Droid using XDA App

deadmansink said:
I think that you need to do a "Task29", the link is in my thread, it cleans the phone. Reformat you SD card, and do it as FAT32, within the phone, don't format on computer. Start from scratch. Sometimes, from switching out ROMS, poo-poo gets left behind and now it's time to pick it up because you're getting flies...huh?
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Hahahahaha... it is just funny to destroy the whole house when you only have a busted light bulb...
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VMware For Android : 2 OS in 1 Phone

http://www.emoiz.com/vmware-for-android-video

omg this is going to be mental.
custom rom on one side for fun and a stable rom on the other wow

Wow yes this will be sweet.

It will be slow.

nsa666 said:
It will be slow.
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it's a pity neither OS will be able to run any apps because there is insufficient RAM.

Auzy said:
it's a pity neither OS will be able to run any apps because there is insufficient RAM.
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You don't know that. Remember that stock 2.2 for almost everybody (not 2.2.1) has about 304MB and applications running great. Maybe VMware for android works different than that for PCs

great job !

The claimed solution argument example for Work & Home phone is rather useless
why?
if you are using the phone as a Work phone, then you will miss all the Home calls
and if you switch your phone to Run the phone as a Home phone, you'll get all your private calls, but miss all the calls to your Work phone
see.. conceptually it's nice
but in real life it doesn't fly

i think it will use same network for calles just data from business rom will be encrypted

great for experimenting one rom, and using stable on the other!

[Q] Can't seem figure out a way to do this..maybe somebody knows how?

Hello everyone, ok here is my question...how do you take a picture of your screen like you could on an iPhone when u press the home and power button at the sametime??? before i had my HTC HD2 i had an iPhone and traded it for the HD2 cuz i heard the hype about android and wanted to see what it was all about...and believe me, i'm having a hard time switching over lol..anywayz is there a way to do it?

Well this is easy you just have to download and instal an app that allows you to do this. I use Snatch Screen wich can be downloaded by itself or in Touch Tools. I use Touch Tools cause it has a lot mor than just Snatch Screen. Trust me you would like it is is beter than BsB Tweeks to me. Just Google Snatch Screen for Windowss Mobile or Touch Tools for Windows Mobile.

ic...is there an app for android? since i'm not running windows os..i'm running android from nand.

i just downloaded one today...it had a high rating on the market whatever that is worth. its called "shoot me", check it!
it was free, like most android apps, unlike most app store apps...and it was a treat to use!

LeonStarsVII said:
ic...is there an app for android? since i'm not running windows os..i'm running android from nand.
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Sorry about that, I guess I had a brain farther when I posted that. Forgot you said you were running Android. One of those dub moments.

lol its alright, and shoot me is the app i was looking for thanks ASCIIker and T-Macgnolia..now i just have to figure out how to put my anroid build and version as a signature...

drocap
you can also use drocap2