No longer best GPU? - Fascinate General

Forgot what article I was reading but it said the Adreno 205 gpu found in the new htc phones was slightly more powerful than the 540 in the galaxy phones. Anyone see this?

Inconclusive. About 150320912309123 articles on google using 3dmark mobile only, just copying the same article as their own.
Nothing shown in real world performance, or other benchmarks (not that benches matter).

Actually benches do matter in my eyes..... just not benchmarks using lag fixes etc.
Either way. I guess well see soon enough.

Well, everyone has an opinion and you are entitled to yours...I'll take real world performance over benchmarks any day. Benchmarks imo are only useful for judging whether changes you have made to the system may have an impact on performance.
Good point in case is the latest overclock debacle. Benchmarks are off the hook. Real world performance...yeah, not so much. Worse, in fact.

sherwood, i am sick of you hating on the fascinate, anytime you think you find or hear something is better you show up and make sure everyone knows, i bet if you watch the FPS on quadrant or do a neocore benchmark that the galaxy phones as always demolish the others, with that said here comes my first flame, you said you have already sold you facsinate on cragislist, get outta here and quit bringing down the mood. im sick of hering your complaints,

But ksizzle9 have you tried the new sense it is so AWESOME!!!!!!!!!
Just kidding. But sherwood get an htc device already.
good day.

Also Sherwood. If benchmarks matter n your eyes u should have kept the galaxy. It can post the highest quadrants u can get without editing build prop
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ksizzle9 said:
sherwood, i am sick of you hating on the fascinate, anytime you think you find or hear something is better you show up and make sure everyone knows, i bet if you watch the FPS on quadrant or do a neocore benchmark that the galaxy phones as always demolish the others, with that said here comes my first flame, you said you have already sold you facsinate on cragislist, get outta here and quit bringing down the mood. im sick of hering your complaints,
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Thanks for saying it.

Yes I did put it for sale. But I always said the processor and cpu were great. Can I not talk about the gpu?
Every post I've read here states the Gpu is the best but now I read a real article stating the adrena is as good if not better.
And no you didn't flame, your just a flamer!
I'm only in this forum still cause a bunch of dev got together to make the fascinate better.... there porting sense to it.... I'm sure when its released you won't use that port. Haha
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Btw till it sells I'm gonna talk about it. Lol
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I've played on a G2. Not only did it do worse in Quadrant, NOVA wasn't as smooth either.

GoogleAndroid.
Don't mess with Sherwood he knows all. Besides, I know, and u know that our phones have the best gpu by a long shot
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ksizzle9 said:
sherwood, i am sick of you hating on the fascinate, anytime you think you find or hear something is better you show up and make sure everyone knows, i bet if you watch the FPS on quadrant or do a neocore benchmark that the galaxy phones as always demolish the others, with that said here comes my first flame, you said you have already sold you facsinate on cragislist, get outta here and quit bringing down the mood. im sick of hering your complaints,
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Damn ksizzle9, you must have been reading my mind! Thank you!!!
Sherwood, please lower the price on your phone...

whats wrong with you people??? All i said was I read that the Adreno GPU matches or outdoes the 540 in the samsung fascinate.
Wheres the trolling? Dont get mad because i state what i read. Atleast I back up my thoughts with facts....
Show me ONE ARTICLE that states the 540 in the fascinate is better than the ADRENO 205 and then i will shut up.........JUST ONE!!!!!!!

http://androidandme.com/2010/10/news/3dmarkmobile-gpu-showdown-adreno-205-vs-powervr-sgx540/
Again all i said was it matched or outdoes the 540 by a bit!!
Now all you haters please back up your mouth!!! I just did

Sherwood1 said:
http://androidandme.com/2010/10/news/3dmarkmobile-gpu-showdown-adreno-205-vs-powervr-sgx540/
Again all i said was it matched or outdoes the 540 by a bit!!
Now all you haters please back up your mouth!!! I just did
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I don't have a side in this debate, however who is crowned king will usually be the victor across the board and with more than a lone test. It's good to see that one benchmark. If and when we get five or six more we could maybe draw some informed conclusions
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How much do you want for your phone or a link to your ebay add will suffice.
Guys, I am sure if we pool our money, at lets say $20 bucks each we can put this to rest really quick. Then donate said phone to a deserving developer and everyone is happy. : )
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Saps im not claiming anything....notice my thread was a question....not a statement. "No longer the fastest GPU?" and everyone blew up!!!
I asked if anyone read the same article thats all!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHA I know you guys love the phone but come on its a conversation!!! lolol
I posted the link of what i read. Now everyone can come to there own conclusion!

Sherwood1 said:
Saps im not claiming anything....notice my thread was a question....not a statement. "No longer the fastest GPU?" and everyone blew up!!!
I asked if anyone read the same article thats all!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHA I know you guys love the phone but come on its a conversation!!! lolol
I posted the link of what i read. Now everyone can come to there own conclusion!
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I have read the article. But I've also tested the phones with multiple benchmarks and games-the Galaxy S GPU is far better. The Adreno 205 performs more like the 530 in the DX and D2.

This article does not say that it "outdoes the 540 by a bit". The author admits that the results were probably an invalid test of the hardware due to the fact that the faster machine had a FroYo JIT compiler, and the Galaxy S did not. They should waited until the Galaxy S on-hand was upgraded.
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[Q] Android 3.0 on G2

I been reading and i see all the rumors of it being released mid Oct and that it requires a 1GHZ cpu do you think the G2 will get the bump? (but we all know cm7 will be a for sure update) and yes i know the reqiurements are just rumors.
I doesn't need a 1ghz cpu.
You're wrong. The requirements are not just rumors but are confirmed to be wrong.
I just wonder how someone with 200+ posts still hasn't found the search function of this site.
cdw9800 said:
I been reading and i see all the rumors of it being released mid Oct and that it requires a 1GHZ cpu do you think the G2 will get the bump? (but we all know cm7 will be a for sure update) and yes i know the reqiurements are just rumors.
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first off... we HAVE a 1GHZ capable scorpion processor (its just UNDERclocked at 800MHZ to save battery) and the fastest android phone available so yes, of f*cking course the G2 QUALIFIES for gingerbread (sorry I freaking hate that stupid rumor. it's nothing personal... it's just been asked around 10 million times). second... that is debatable whether 3.0 will be pushed to the G2 since tmobile has been screwing all their android phone customers with their lack off new OS version otas after 1.6 so.... who nows for sure. it seems like they didn't release 2.2 for the MTS so some of the owners would upgrade to the G2. and guess what? it worked... we will get a couple fix otas (one is being pushed out as we speak) but know one knows for sure what they will do. if can root the darn thing (hopefully the ota being sent will help in the efforts), we can just port it from the desire z or something similar if tmobile drops the ball on gingerbread. I wouldn't count on it... just my opinion
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we HAVE a 1GHZ capable scorpion processor (its just UNDERclocked at 800MHZ to save battery)
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I've seen this claim made over and over but have yet to see the basis for it. What are you basing that claim on?
People need to enjoy froyo before they start thinking about anything esle
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carlitozway57 said:
I've seen this claim made over and over but have yet to see the basis for it. What are you basing that claim on?
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e.g. http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7230&c=qualcomm_msm7230
Can't find anything more canonical than that, sorry.
Guys its very simple. Lets consider the below statement (current situation):
A Desire with 1Ghz snapdragon that scores lower in benchmarks and slower than a 800mhz Desire Z.
If based on that "rumour spec", which do you think deserves Gingerbread more? The 'spec achieving' but slower 1Ghz Desire or the 'below spec' but faster 800mhz Desire Z?
PROCESSOR NUMBER IS NOT AN INDICATION OF ACTUAL PERFORMANCE drill that into your head and stop thinking that the Desire Z will not get Gingerbread.
This topic has been answered before, please use the search function next time.
daijoubu said:
Guys its very simple. Lets consider the below statement (current situation):
A Desire with 1Ghz snapdragon that scores lower in benchmarks and slower than a 800mhz Desire Z.
If based on that "rumour spec", which do you think deserves Gingerbread more? The 'spec achieving' but slower 1Ghz Desire or the 'below spec' but faster 800mhz Desire Z?
PROCESSOR NUMBER IS NOT AN INDICATION OF ACTUAL PERFORMANCE drill that into your head and stop thinking that the Desire Z will not get Gingerbread.
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my sentiments exactly
Becksman said:
You're wrong. The requirements are not just rumors but are confirmed to be wrong.
I just wonder how someone with 200+ posts still hasn't found the search function of this site.
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I searched but what I typed didn't nothing come up and I figured if the Nexus One would get it we would also, and I always felt that our cpu was underclock based on the scores, and yes im aware the processor numbers doesnt account for performance. I havent did much following on Gingerbread so yeah thought id ask my peers..and thanks for clearing that up.
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I searched but what I typed didn't nothing come up
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Search result with query: Gingerbread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7968305&postcount=20
which links to the source:
http://gizmodo.com/5578055/android-gingerbread-rumors-dismissed-by-google-on-twitter
xyrcncp said:
Search result with query: Gingerbread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7968305&postcount=20
which links to the source:
http://gizmodo.com/5578055/android-gingerbread-rumors-dismissed-by-google-on-twitter
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oh ok thanks i searched by android 3.0 but the info from the link is good i didnt come across that with my late night googling same ones was popping up from june.
you know XDA has this feature where when you decide on a title for a thread it actually searches for you and you have to scroll down past the results to post the rest of your new thread. i don't mean to be rude, had a trying day and thought for a second that XDA would make me happier(wow i'm f*cking stupid for that).
we need to remove the add new topic from the tapatalk app as it makes search harder and new thread easier. these rumors have been debunked, and notice that the G2 out peforms EVERY other phone out there even with the "slower" CPU, the underclock is a software lock so we could get it kicked up a notch when 3.0 is released(which from recent rumors 3.0 is actually honeycomb). if you don't think the phone will get updates then please return your phone and get a nexus.
sino8r thank you for posting that these were rumors but it seems these rumors will never go away
tubaking182 said:
you know XDA has this feature where when you decide on a title for a thread it actually searches for you and you have to scroll down past the results to post the rest of your new thread. i don't mean to be rude, had a trying day and thought for a second that XDA would make me happier(wow i'm f*cking stupid for that).
we need to remove the add new topic from the tapatalk app as it makes search harder and new thread easier. these rumors have been debunked, and notice that the G2 out peforms EVERY other phone out there even with the "slower" CPU, the underclock is a software lock so we could get it kicked up a notch when 3.0 is released(which from recent rumors 3.0 is actually honeycomb). if you don't think the phone will get updates then please return your phone and get a nexus.
sino8r thank you for posting that these were rumors but it seems these rumors will never go away
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im happy with my phone was just wondering and yeah thanks for the tip honeycomb huh its been that long? i had a vibrant since july i wasnt worried about 3.0 more about 2.2 lol lag fixes gps fixes etc never again will i disown a HTC phone ive learned my lesson but thanks for the tips guys sorry if i caused too much trouble.
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e.g. http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7230&c=qualcomm_msm7230
Can't find anything more canonical than that, sorry.
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Thank you. That's better than what most people cite (their ass).

I should of bought the evo

If I could go back I would.
"The proccesors so much faster" they said
"The GPU is the best on the market" they said
What use is a GPU and a fast processor when the latest updates arrive 6 months later and broken in ways the originals weren't?
Meh, if you bought the evo you would be thinking I should have got the epic, I am so sick of not having a physical keyboard..
Life is full of shoulda woulda's, I probably will stick to a HTC or a Motorola smart phone next time for the exact reason you listed. But the devs here keep me happy with my epic, I have no buyers remorse only because of them.
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electronicmaji said:
If I could go back I would.
"The proccesors so much faster" they said
"The GPU is the best on the market" they said
What use is a GPU and a fast processor when the latest updates arrive 6 months later and broken in ways the originals weren't?
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Wow, way to beat a dead horse.....You say the Epic has taken too long to have its updates released? I haven't heard that complained about by.....everyone on the forum. Maybe next you'll enlighten us with a complaint about the bugs in EB13 perhaps? I don't think it's been complained about enough. Heck make it 2 posts for us!
Yeah because this phone is completely broken PoS compared to the Evo. It's UNUSABLE.
electronicmaji said:
If I could go back I would.
"The proccesors so much faster" they said
"The GPU is the best on the market" they said
What use is a GPU and a fast processor when the latest updates arrive 6 months later and broken in ways the originals weren't?
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Here is the difference..... devs can change and fix software. They can't change a cpu or gpu. CM7 looks to be coming anyway.
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What a troll. Go to the evo forums then. Have you developed anything for the epic to make it better?
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Overstew said:
Yeah because this phone is completely broken PoS compared to the Evo. It's UNUSABLE.
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So having a blast with my phone and doing MORE with it than I could with my EVO (before selling that POS) was all just.... a lie?
GTFO troll.
Dulanic said:
Here is the difference..... devs can change and fix software. They can't change a cpu or gpu. CM7 looks to be coming anyway.
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Very nicely put!
Lol nicely put.
hydralisk said:
So having a blast with my phone and doing MORE with it than I could with my EVO (before selling that POS) was all just.... a lie?
GTFO troll.
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hydralisk said:
So having a blast with my phone and doing MORE with it than I could with my EVO (before selling that POS) was all just.... a lie?
GTFO troll.
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It was sarcasm. lol
OP, I wish you had gone with the Evo because then you'd be *****ing to them instead of us.
I'd like to hit you with the evo's kickstand for this troll
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I shoulda had a V8!!!
y r u all hating on the evo, lol. evo and epic r both perfectly great phones. OP, if u want an evo, sell ur epic b4 a galaxy s 2 comes out and buy an evo
we are not hating on the Evo.... but when someone comes along who is stupid enough to believe that they would have been better off having an Evo what do you expect us to do?
Evo= Outdated overhyped POS
don't get me wrong our phone is far from perfect also but our issues will be fixed soon enough 8)
OP the Evo is a good phone, but with all phones you're going to get tired of them eventually! No, the Epic's GPU doesn't suck, and yes it took awhile to get a update, but it takes a while with every phone maufactuer! And lastly Evo vs. Epic is old already we're not going to flame each other.
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did everyone forget how long it took the evo to get a major update?let alone froyo?and you're complaining on how long the epic gets updates?lol...
OP needs an Iphone. I'm assuming he's not into rooting since Froyo has been on my Epic since last year. I'd hate this phone too if it weren't for all the awesome roms that have been developed for it.
Here is the difference..... devs can change and fix software. They can't change a cpu or gpu. CM7 looks to be coming anyway.
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and a big +1
Just standby for the 3D Evo or maybe the Nexus S 4G that sprints gonna talk about on the CSIA on March 22nd
Flame war is on it's way!
This thread will be locked in... 3...2...1
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I just played with atrix and not impressed

I was at the mall and walked into the at&t store and I started.playing with the atrix. Not impressed at all. Of course it being at&t The download speeds on speedtest.net were awful. I got like 150kbs down. My smartbench 2010 score was 1256. I can't remember what the games Index was. My epic honestly felt just as fast and smooth as that dual core. I know android isn't really able to take advantage of dual cores yet but it just made me appreciate my epic a little more. I also definitely wouldn't get it cause its locked down way to much with the bootloader so very small chance of custom kernels. Any one else been able to okay with it? Thanks for reading my post.
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Atrix 4G Speeds Reported Slower Than 3G
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/222046/atrix_4g_speeds_reported_slower_than_3g.html
With the dock its a nice phone, but I would have never invested so much in a locked boot loader and encryption to boot! Many developers aren't going to invest much if any time in the phone due to the amount of work it will take to get CM7/ etc working for it. My good friend has it, and though it runs rather nicely and the dock is pretty cool, I think they really crippled it with the lock out abilities.
Yes you are right. The.****.is very nice. I would jump on the phone if the bootloader wasn't locked. I honestly just thought it was going to be better than what it was. The damn salesperson kept.bothering me when.I was playing with.it. he kept saying isn't that such a nice phone. Finally I said no its not mine is better and I'm just bored. He finally let me alone.
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Lmao, I think you mean the Dock is nice
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flopez76 said:
Lmao, I think you mean the Dock is nice
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LOL - so many ways to reply to that one...
<insert "muscle" joke here>
That's what she said, that's what she said. Lol
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Oh damn. I definately should have proof read that one. You guys have sick minds. LOL!!!
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Hahahah dirty minds!!? You clearly said **** ewww hehhe
musclehead84 said:
Oh damn. I definately should have proof read that one. You guys have sick minds. LOL!!!
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Once I saw this phone, I was thinking THAT was how M$ could get back in the game.
If they could put out a Windows phone that ran something like Windows 7, and connected like the Atrix does making it a laptop, that would be a big deal, and provide a really great platform, almost to the point of replacing laptops and desktops for home use.
Sadly, I doubt M$ could get it done.
As nice as the concept is, having a laptop setup does little good, if you cant run your desktop apps.
While I use my phone for most stuff now, I still am tied to my laptop for things like advanced picture and video editing.
It would be nice if it didn't dangle off the back either... If the phone slid into place where the touch pad should be that would be a nice and clean solution
DCRocks said:
Once I saw this phone, I was thinking THAT was how M$ could get back in the game.
If they could put out a Windows phone that ran something like Windows 7, and connected like the Atrix does making it a laptop, that would be a big deal, and provide a really great platform, almost to the point of replacing laptops and desktops for home use.
Sadly, I doubt M$ could get it done.
As nice as the concept is, having a laptop setup does little good, if you cant run your desktop apps.
While I use my phone for most stuff now, I still am tied to my laptop for things like advanced picture and video editing.
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I figured anyone with even the least bit of mental development would've had their skeptic alarm go off at the sight of all the Atrix hype. The more people talk about a gadget, the less the gadget speaks for itself. At least, that sure has been history's lesson.
In fact, the surface is never the reality anymore. Dual core has never meant double performance, free services doesn't change the fact that we're Google's product and retailers buying ads are Google's customers, revolutionary doesn't mean Apple actually built their own hardware, and saying M$ has never made anybody cool. ;p
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musclehead84 said:
Yes you are right. The.****.is very nice. I would jump on the phone if the bootloader wasn't locked. I honestly just thought it was going to be better than what it was. The damn salesperson kept.bothering me when.I was playing with.it. he kept saying isn't that such a nice phone. Finally I said no its not mine is better and I'm just bored. He finally let me alone.
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This post should go on : http://damnyouautocorrect.com/
Lol, u said that **** is very nice then u said u would jump on, LMFAO!!!
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This post should go on : http://damnyouautocorrect.com/
Lol, u said that **** is very nice then u said u would jump on, LMFAO!!!
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Not to mention that he said he thought it would be better than what it was, that the sales person kept bothering him when he played with "it", and the fact that his is better and he is just bored...
So on topic.. is there even a topic?
Lmao @ nice ****. Classic post right there
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Do I have permission to post this on damnuautocorrect.com @musclehead? Already got a screenshot
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Mildly related: I walked into Costco and the carnival guys working the Verizon kiosk called me over to look at the new Moto Xoom. He went into his spiel about how great Honeycomb is and everything. I asked him if it was rooted and he said, "What's that?" "Newbie," I thought to myself. He let me play with it and I decided to download Quadrant to see what it would pull. He asked me what Quadrant was. I told him it was a benchmarking tool (but secretly I'm thinking, "You're a tool!"). So I run Quadrant and the Xoom with its Tegra2 gets 1800. I'm like WTF? So I pulled out my Epic Bonsai monster and cranked SetCPU to 1200/1200 and ran Quadrant. He looked at my Epic wide-eyed as I showed him the 2450 on my screen. I walked away feeling a little smug.
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Except the 2450 was an artificially inflated score and quadrant isn't optimized for honeycomb.
Yeah I did say that I jumped on it and the salesperson kept coming over. I hate autocorrect. I'm definitely proof reading from now on.
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You meant what you said^ lol don't lie.
EDIT. musclehead could go 2 ways as well, maybe a subliminal message? =P

EVO 3D will have Wimax and LTE and DRM and night vision

http://androidforums.com/2456934-post597.html
If (big IF) all that turns out to be true...I'll give my left arm for an Evo 3D.
The LTE+Wimax, and LTE backwards compatibility for the previous 4G phones sounds a bit unrealistic though, especially since the phone is supposed to be announced tomorrow, and the only thing we know about Sprint+LTE is unsubstantiated rumors.
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http://androidforums.com/2456934-post597.html
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If he's anywhere close to right about HALF the stuff in this post, I'll be pre-ordering my EVO 3D on Wednesday.
this has been posted countless times already btw. Im sure tomorrow the forums will be filled with first posts of the same thing too.
holy crap.... that'd be amazing.
Night vision u say?
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Night vision u say?
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Hahaha "EVO 3D: The first great phone for night hunters and perverts!"
Edit: Figures that my 500th post would contain the word perverts...
By night vision I assume that means low light video recording? I can totally see them giving a bunch out at celebrity gatherings and seeing a flood of sex tapes hit the net. Regardless, it's a feature I wouldn't mind having.
We will see what happens tomorrow.
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wow maybe i should go with this phone!
I want, I want!
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But no GPU?!
Adreno 220 I thought I heard
I cannot wait for tomorrow, to find out how much of this stuff is true. If half of what that guy said is accurate, I am on board for the Evo 3d. Without a doubt.
Adreno 220 is what I've heard as well.
Yep aderno
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How about the tsa version camera? It can see through clothes in 3d
A 5 min google search conducted by me and reading resources that may or may not be true I conclude that the 220 is twice as powerful as tegra2
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A 5 min google search conducted by me and reading resources that may or may not be true I conclude that the 220 is twice as powerful as tegra2
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I've heard that as well plus, if BSOD over on AC is to be believed, it can be overclocked x2.
Can't wait for the announcement tomorrow to see how much of this is actually true. This phone is going to be a beast.
Well the guy seems to have factual evidence to it. So we will see if what he said there is real when they release it tomorrow :x
TonyArmstrong said:
If he's anywhere close to right about HALF the stuff in this post, I'll be pre-ordering my EVO 3D on Wednesday.
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Well I'll be hitting my local Sprint store on Tues ..... if those specs are true then I want that phone NOW

Been stuck at 1.1 for a while...

It's beginning to look like this phone won't go any higher than 1.1 Ghz for OC. Kind of disheartening..
Are there any other phones that have had similar barriers that could perhaps give some insight on to how our 1.1 barrier can be passed? I'm by no means a dev, but that doesn't mean I can't organize an effort! Perhaps a bounty is in order for this?
thebeardedchild said:
It's beginning to look like this phone won't go any higher than 1.1 Ghz for OC. Kind of disheartening..
Are there any other phones that have had similar barriers that could perhaps give some insight on to how our 1.1 barrier can be passed? I'm by no means a dev, but that doesn't mean I can't organize an effort! Perhaps a bounty is in order for this?
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Dual coreeeeeee bro! Haha jk. Im sure Moto just doesn't want us having fun.
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2.2 GHz in a phone is oh so slow
But yeah - the Optimus 2X can overclock to 1.5GHz. I'd love to see that!
blackalice said:
2.2 GHz in a phone is oh so slow
But yeah - the Optimus 2X can overclock to 1.5GHz. I'd love to see that!
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Dual core doesn't mean you can stack the clock speeds like that. Each processor can still only process at 1.1.
bilbert said:
Dual core doesn't mean you can stack the clock speeds like that. Each processor can still only process at 1.1.
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Lol yea it's funny how people don't understand that. A lot is lost with two processors because it is going back and forth.
BravoMotorola said:
Lol yea it's funny how people don't understand that. A lot is lost with two processors because it is going back and forth.
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You're making fun of people but you're using the wrong terminology.......hmm.
The phone doesn't have two processors, it has two cores on one bus.
And plus, "a lot is lost with two processors because it is going back and forth." - LOL @ that statement
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You're making fun of people but you're using the wrong terminology.......hmm.
The phone doesn't have two processors, it has two cores on one bus.
And plus, "a lot is lost with two processors because it is going back and forth." - LOL @ that statement
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I think processors is an acceptable term for dual core chips...but I guess the politically correct term is dual core processor. Anyways, bickering about it is not helping.
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paravorheim said:
I think processors is an acceptable term for dual core chips...but I guess the politically correct term is dual core processor. Anyways, bickering about it is not helping.
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Really, I've never seen such a forum where no matter what the topic, everyone wastes time bickering about terminology, or rules or blah.
im trying to get people thinking about possible ways to break past this 1.1 barrier. Or to decide right now if its even possible!
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I think it would be best to just wait until the devs work on it instead of creating pointless posts like this one...
They have enough work on their hands with cm7 and right now is another 100mhz x 2 really going to make a diff at this point?? I personally would rather see a stable cm then worry about that. Another thing Id like to see on this forum is less whining and more encouraging posts (I came from a HTC Aria and am really starting to miss their community)
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I don't see why not. The XOOM can do it. But im sure Moto put up some road blocks.
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crossix said:
I think it would be best to just wait until the devs work on it instead of creating pointless posts like this one...
They have enough work on their hands with cm7 and right now is another 100mhz x 2 really going to make a diff at this point?? I personally would rather see a stable cm then worry about that. Another thing Id like to see on this forum is less whining and more encouraging posts (I came from a HTC Aria and am really starting to miss their community)
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Yeah you're post isn't contributing well to this apparently poor community either. Like I said, if you haven't anything productive to say, gtfo. There's more to be done than to just wait for devs to magically do it. Us lowly non devs can still look into what can be done. What do you suggest we do in these forums if not to promote discussion of enhancements to our phone?
The point of this thread is to sort of take the pressure off the devs to figure it all out on their own.
If you're gonna wastes everyones time, we'd like you to kindly take your whining back to the aria forum or something..
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Whining stops now.
If you want to discuss getting a bounty together for overclocking beyond 1.1Ghz, by all means continue to do so.
Otherwise, this thread will be closed.
Heh hopefully if a mod says what I've been harping this whole time it sticks. Well, anyone think a bounty for this is worth it? Honestly, other dual core phones are almost to 2.0. If we're fast at 1.1 can you imagine more? I'm never content with where I'm at so I say we get this phone as high as it can.
That being said, one concern is that anything higher than 1.1 is physically impossible no matter how you cut it. Like I said other dual cores are oc'd high, but who knows how this thing is different!
The real question before bounty talks can be made is: can we determine if its possible? Were other phones in this situation?
I remember when faux initially discussed it, he made it sound like it was some simple code holding it back but I dunno really..
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In my coding experience(I do it for fun here and there) if it were simple code it probably could've been replaced by now unless it were hardware dependent... which it shouldnt be because there are other Tegra 2 phones well past 1.1ghz... which sorta just leaves me in a conundrum...
I was hoping this would be fixed in cm7 because it uses a different kernal and whatnot so we'd find a work around... but I guess not yet
It would probably help me to pm someone like faux or knoll who have worked with it first hand though.
Anyways lets hope for a breakthrough soon to show everyone else how much better our phones are from theirs
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In my coding experience(I do it for fun here and there) if it were simple code it probably could've been replaced by now unless it were hardware dependent... which it shouldnt be because there are other Tegra 2 phones well past 1.1ghz... which sorta just leaves me in a conundrum...
I was hoping this would be fixed in cm7 because it uses a different kernal and whatnot so we'd find a work around... but I guess not yet
It would probably help me to pm someone like faux or knoll who have worked with it first hand though.
Anyways lets hope for a breakthrough soon to show everyone else how much better our phones are from theirs
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Those are good points. And yeah I probably worded that wrong, with the "simple line of code" thing, because now that you mention it that sounds TOO simple lol. I can't really remember what he said, but at the time it seemed less serious, as in 'the next version of my kernel would bypass it', ya know what I mean? But now here we are, still at 1.1. However, at the same time, the only guy really working on getting higher than 1.1 had halted his kernel progress to work on CM7, so I dunno. Perhaps a bounty would be good to get more devs in to take a look at it and see what to do.
And yeah it's a little reassuring to know that the Xoom did it, with essentially the same processor. Does anyone know if it had the same type of roadblock associated with it, where they couldn't OC much higher for a time?
From the little I've heard the xoom was able to oc to 1.5 without any kind of roadblocks(Idk about after that) but I've never rly heard of something like this for android phones from all the tech nerds I know haha... I think starting a bounty would be a good idea(and Id totally donate to something like that) but I also think once cm7 is stable they'll be more devs trying to fix this problem... who knows they might find something out by just tinkering with it on cm7
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From the little I've heard the xoom was able to oc to 1.5 without any kind of roadblocks(Idk about after that) but I've never rly heard of something like this for android phones from all the tech nerds I know haha... I think starting a bounty would be a good idea(and Id totally donate to something like that) but I also think once cm7 is stable they'll be more devs trying to fix this problem... who knows they might find something out by just tinkering with it on cm7
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Yeah I'd be willing to donate as well, of course (a given, as I seem to be worrying about this too much anyways ).
I've wondered if, since faux announced that "barrier", if either him or anyone else has even attempted to look at what causes it. I'm not saying 'those lazy bastards!!!11!' or anything, but if that's the case I'd almost feel better since that explains why it hasn't been done yet. Otherwise, the longer they HAVE looked at it with no avail, the more likely it is we're stuck at 1.1
Maybe tinkering will help...I honestly thought it would help while they developed it in the first place, since like you said earlier, it seems like it's not a hardware thing so a new ROM could have helped...
Someone with coding knowledge should contact whoever made the xoom overclock.
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Remember that a phone is essentially a small computer. It's not just the CPU which is involved. Memory timings, voltages, and cooling all play a huge part in OC'ing a CPU. This may be where the problem lies. If the phone requires memory timings which make it extremely unstable/unuseable at an OC higher than 1.1GHz, then it will always be a no go, no matter how you look at it. Similarily, if you have to step up the voltage, you induce more heat, and there is no active cooling in a phone.
In essence, there are many reasons why the OC may have stopped at 1.1GHz. It seems people really need to understand overclocking overall before commenting on what is and is not possible.
There is also the chance that nobody has really looked at this as important because all the work has gone into creating CM7, etc. I would say OC'ing past 1.1GHz is low on the totem pole for the few devs who are capable of doing it.
kholk claims to be releasing a 1.2 kernal today, I believe lt to be for testing to make sure it works but we shall see.
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