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Want to get in on the fun!

Ok, so I've worked with computers my whole life, and got the G1 right away and now the vibrant. I never did any moding to the G1 cuz I was ascared, but now I'm ready to go all in with the V. Here's my problem:
I just want some clarification on some technical terms, ROM, kernal, and their difference. I'm really not dumb I'm just scared I'll eff up. See I was about to flash Bionix w/voodoo, until I read more and saw Eugene's 2.2 and the JAC kernal, also Team Whisky just released something new, maybe just an update to bionix, idk.
So yeah, I know this is noobish, I'm just hoping to get a little talking to by some smart folks here so I feel a little more knowledgeable.

dcpetterson said:
Ok, so I've worked with computers my whole life, and got the G1 right away and now the vibrant. I never did any moding to the G1 cuz I was ascared, but now I'm ready to go all in with the V. Here's my problem:
I just want some clarification on some technical terms, ROM, kernal, and their difference. I'm really not dumb I'm just scared I'll eff up. See I was about to flash Bionix w/voodoo, until I read more and saw Eugene's 2.2 and the JAC kernal, also Team Whisky just released something new, maybe just an update to bionix, idk.
So yeah, I know this is noobish, I'm just hoping to get a little talking to by some smart folks here so I feel a little more knowledgeable.
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welcome. bricking the vibrant is actually hard to do. be sure to always use the search forum and the question-and-answers forum here before doing anything else and to avoid getting flamed. i suggest going to the "vibrant directory bible" sticky and start from there. the sticky is located in the development section here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=711

ryan562 said:
welcome. bricking the vibrant is actually hard to do. be sure to always use the search forum and the question-and-answers forum here before doing anything else and to avoid getting flamed. i suggest going to the "vibrant directory bible" sticky and start from there. the sticky is located in the development section here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=711
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just a question, why do people say that bricking the vibrant is hard to do when lots of people are encountering a soft brick? does the brick you're pertaining to is the one that cannot be fixed anymore?

iynfynity said:
just a question, why do people say that bricking the vibrant is hard to do when lots of people are encountering a soft brick? does the brick you're pertaining to is the one that cannot be fixed anymore?
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Im sure he means the literal 'bricking' where it is no more than a paperweight, forever (aside from maybe a jtag flash).
Soft bricks are easy but also relatively easy to recover from.
ROM - Think of it as an OS
Kernel - The main piece of code that manages resources on the computer while running.
In the Galaxy S (other phones too?), the kernel is flashed to a specific part of the internal storage. The ROM is the rest of the stuff needed for the phone to do phone stuff (make phone calls, send txts, mms, images, icons, etc)
Sometimes a ROM comes with a kernel as well. Sometimes it will use the 'stock' kernel (i.e. the one that comes with the phone from the factory). JAC, KK, et. al have their own UV/OC kernel built from the samsung sources. I've built some playing with various options. It's not terribly difficult but you should know linux/compiling before hand.
Aaaanyway, I would suggest starting with stock Bionix or possibly UV/OC versions. Leave voodoo until you get more comfortable. Get used to ROM manager and/or Titanium backup. Maybe run through Odin a few times. I keep meaning to write up a short HOWTO on basic procedures, but keep getting side tracked. Someone posted a nice youtube video which works well though.

What is kernal?

Thanks a lot, flashed fusion last night and its going well so far. I feel less dumb now. Not using any lag fix with the JAC version, if I wanted to, is there one I can use?
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dcpetterson said:
Thanks a lot, flashed fusion last night and its going well so far. I feel less dumb now. Not using any lag fix with the JAC version, if I wanted to, is there one I can use?
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You can always flash Voodoo on top of Fusion. The information on that is in the Bionix Fusion thread. You should have that thread as a bookmark if you are running that rom.
One thing I do is carry a thumbdrive or flash media with a folder for all my Android stuff. And I have a special folder that has the instructions AND the files/programs necessary to undo a soft brick of my phone.
And one rule to live by, when in doubt ALWAYS disable Voodoo.

Great advice, gettin my own.
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Don't forget to backup when switching Roms. There are two main ways to backup that you should get into the habit of doing:
Nandroid: Basically backups the entire phone for the "Uh-Oh" moments (You can use this function through clockwork recovery. Its the option called "backup and restore" or "nandroid")
Titanium Backup: Backups the data of your apps and basically freezes them into a backup (you can download this from the market, instructions in the app) It saves backups to its own folder.
The most important thing to do is to backup your backups to your computer somewhere! If not, you'll lose your backups!! Then, you'll be really screwed.

how do i install voodoo?

i just got auxura, and so far its been great, but i miss the fast experience of my stock with OCLF and someone told me NOT to use OCLF with auxura because it can cause problems, so i didnt and they recommended i use voodoo from the original thread where i got the ROM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=821468
i went there, and saw a voodoo kernel download...
i downloaded it to my computer, but i don't know anything else to do with it.
ALSO before anyone says anything, i did try searching but they were different voodoo kernels and i dont want to mess up so... i want to do it specificly for me.
please help me

Since you have to ask, don't even bother. You'll end up on here asking how to use Odin lol
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As much as it sucks to say I gotta agree read about voodoo before trying it, it can be one of the most annoying bricks of a life time. ive never used it and probably never will for that reason alone
Runninero

oh in that case, i'd rather not use it either.
thanks for the info guys!

Updating to Froyo via Kies

I was thinking about updating to Froyo via Kies using this guide I found that XDA will not let me post until I hit eight posts...
I am currently using one of jt's DI01 ROMs and I take it I will need to do a Nandroid so I can perform the upgrade on a stock phone. My question though is can I just backup my Apps with Titanium Backup Pro and then restore each app individually once the Froyo update is on the phone? I don't want to lose all the information associated with the programs like favorites, game saves, contacts, etc.. I know I have restored programs using Titanium before, but it was before they had any of my own personal data added to them, that is what is important to me!
Thank you for your help.

If you are on a vzw fascinate that would be a very bad idea.
good day.

chopper the dog said:
If you are on a vzw fascinate that would be a very bad idea.
good day.
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10char

I have read people upgrading to Froyo from a different carriers update. Is this not possible. I am on Verizon here in the states.

Steezus said:
I have read people upgrading to Froyo from a different carriers update. Is this not possible. I am on Verizon here in the states.
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not yet
10char

Steezus said:
I have read people upgrading to Froyo from a different carriers update. Is this not possible. I am on Verizon here in the states.
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not yet, if you want to be able to make calls

You know what I love about this place? (And this isn't even a little sarcastic, I mean it!)
That not a single person responded telling the guy to do it. Other forums they'd love to see a newbie mess up their hardware.
XDA is a great place.

if it wasn't christmas eve, then i'd be all for it. wait till april fools!

If it wasn't created for your phone, or ported to your phone, rule of thumb is not to install it. The more important it is to your phone, the higher the odds you shouldn't install it. Seeing as an os is pretty important you should really not install it.

I like to see when people get their phones borked, but here's the problem with newbies borking their phones.
They come back here for help. They post new threads hoping that someone helps them... Then all of us have to try our best to help them fix their borked phone...
So it comes down to prevention of borking phones. If we can prevent one person from borking their phone by warning them 1000 times, we should do it...

Thanks for the info, I will hold off, probably just flash the DJ05 image and reroot while waiting. Still curious about backing up with Titanium. Does that restore attached personal data for each app or just the app itself?

Steezus said:
Thanks for the info, I will hold off, probably just flash the DJ05 image and reroot while waiting. Still curious about backing up with Titanium. Does that restore attached personal data for each app or just the app itself?
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It has the option to do both.
Open Titanium. Hit Menu>Batch>RUN Restore all apps with data. From there you can check off the one's you do want and don't want.

tlogank said:
It has the option to do both.
Open Titanium. Hit Menu>Batch>RUN Restore all apps with data. From there you can check off the one's you do want and don't want.
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Awesome, thanks for your help man!

tlogank said:
It has the option to do both.
Open Titanium. Hit Menu>Batch>RUN Restore all apps with data. From there you can check off the one's you do want and don't want.
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Unless u have pro, you will still have to say yes to each individual app. I would highly recommend getting pro, it will run it all the way through and you don't do a thing. Also need to be rooted for both

As stated in the first post, I have Pro. Titanium back up requires root to install, but my questions have been answered. Thanks for the info everyone.

Does Kies even work with our phones?
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imnuts said:
Does Kies even work with our phones?
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It is a ***** to get it to talk to the phone. It works maybe one out of ten tries for me. I have only messed around with it before installing it because it is such a POS and a complete embarrassment to Samsung. It should have never been released.

Kies is not even meant for the vzw fascinate.
good day.

I agree with chopper. Likely the reason it desnt work with our phones is the fact that it is in no way made for our phones, or a part of our phones software. Only the GSM models that I know of have it. And it is an option when u hook it up to your computer via usb. And we don't have that option.
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Bump to let the guy who is promoting kies to update all fascinates.
This is what happens when you promote misinformation.

EB13 Froyo - is that it for now?

I am just wondering if a newer official ROM looks like it might be released in March to address some of peoples' issues, or if I should just continue my research and preparation to flash what I assume is still available OTW although not OTA. Only thing really holding me back is the prep and the desire to hopefully not do anything riskier than necessary if something else is around the corner (I would do a total Samsung tool flash, by the way to hopefully start clean).

I can't speak for others, but flashing, and Odin, and roms and kernels use to scare the hell out of me. With that said, I used Odin and flashed a clean froyo, did the camera lag kernel fix and my phone is EXCELLENT now. Not a single thing wrong with it. Its fast, the GPS works, and now, I feel comfortable with ODIN.
Before, I was terrified to even start up odin, scared to even put my phone in download mode. Now, I've flashed to Froyo, messed that up, flashed back to Eclair, then flashed to Froyo again, and not a single hiccup along the way. For me, Froyo is worlds better than Eclair.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. Unfortunately the relationship of my Epic to my computer is like a woman's freaking menstrual cycle. I don't even know how I managed to root months ago and clockworkmod never even ended up on there and I have no idea why. So I have to really read, read read this place and do things very methodically before taking the leap. I just saw that there is supposedly yet another Froyo build on Sprint's site today but waiting for another may be pointless right now or close to it.

my last phone was a g1. i thought it was easy to load a custom rom on there, but the process for the epic is downright fool-proof.
you probably didn't get permanent root back on di18, but now they have a pre-rooted eb13 rom you can load through recovery after updating and using the same one click 2.5.5 method. nothing to fear!

v3rk said:
my last phone was a g1. i thought it was easy to load a custom rom on there, but the process for the epic is downright fool-proof.
you probably didn't get permanent root back on di18, but now they have a pre-rooted eb13 rom you can load through recovery after updating and using the same one click 2.5.5 method. nothing to fear!
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I rooted, and am very grateful for the many benefits of it. However this involves much more than rooting--it involves data backup and restore, flashing, etc. so even if it's easier on Android phones than say that old ugly Windows Mobile, it still requires some skill and smarts. XDA is a heck of a tech crew though!

It appears to me that those who wiped everything and started fresh don't have problems. Those that tried to preserve their things are having issues.

dmanwithnoname said:
It appears to me that those who wiped everything and started fresh don't have problems. Those that tried to preserve their things are having issues.
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What we have been trying to say is that ODIN or Heimdall is the way to go for changing OS's around. You can always get your contact data back through the OS. Your call data and SMS data is easy to get back with Backup to Gmail. Your programs are easily restored with Titanium Backup ($ version) or MyBackup Pro (just don't restore any system data).

Top Nurse said:
What we have been trying to say is that ODIN or Heimdall is the way to go for changing OS's around. You can always get your contact data back through the OS. Your call data and SMS data is easy to get back with Backup to Gmail. Your programs are easily restored with Titanium Backup ($ version) or MyBackup Pro (just don't restore any system data).
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Can you please precisely define "system data" and why it shouldn't be restored? I use MyBackup Root and they claim that everything it backs up can be restored pretty much trouble free, even across different ROMs. I'd also like to use CWM and Nandroid (so all eggs aren't in one basket) but have to manage to get the things working first.

DroidApprentice said:
Thanks for the vote of confidence. Unfortunately the relationship of my Epic to my computer is like a woman's freaking menstrual cycle. I don't even know how I managed to root months ago and clockworkmod never even ended up on there and I have no idea why. So I have to really read, read read this place and do things very methodically before taking the leap. I just saw that there is supposedly yet another Froyo build on Sprint's site today but waiting for another may be pointless right now or close to it.
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"amen to that BROTHA!" lol
ehh things can be tricky at timkes, but they always seem to work out. unless you have a problem like this.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvosH8UZrWw

a system app is anything that you didnt install yourself. its all the apps in /system/app folder. if you download something from the market it gets saved to /data/app. hope that helps. btw is eb13 considered our official froyo? did they finish pushing it ota?

So, maybe some of us are just tired of the burnout from waiting for the now-"discontinued" Froyo. But is there any word on a possible "ECxx"? I'm almost afraid to ask, heheh.

@dog316
I agree froyo is great but im just woundering if your browser dosnt get the checker box when your trying to pinch to zoom. That's the only problem I have with it, but I think it kinda a big problem
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castro08 said:
@dog316
I agree froyo is great but im just woundering if your browser dosnt get the checker box when your trying to pinch to zoom. That's the only problem I have with it, but I think it kinda a big problem
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Well I am glad that I am not the only one to run across that problem. I thought that was an 'upgrade'. I am looking at several different browsers right now as most of the time I can't read the tiny type.
George

Yeah that's the only/biggest problem I have
And well have you tried dolphin brower?
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Yes - that is the one I like the best right now
George
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What's the big deal with odin. I flashed two epics at ones to eb13 on my 4 year old sony vaio its my workhores laptop I flash everthing with my sony, subaru ecus, hondas, phones, any thing I'm moding with custom FW hacks.
The only time it did not work for me was a asus p4c800-e dx mobo's front usb ports
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REVOLT!!!!!

I know that I come across as a prick on here lately, but I'm gonna start a revolution against ROM Manager and Kernel Manger...
Useless programs for people trying to shortcut a proven system...
One other thing I'm adding to that, but the vote is still out is any FormatAll programs. Both times i used Caulkins, I had to go reflash recovery via PC36IMG.
Newsflash! Wiping all in recovery works fine. I've flashed 1000 setups liek thnat with ZERO problems.
As for the former, not in ONE single thread for any ROMS doers it say "Use ROM Manager". Wanna know why?? Because using RECOVERY is a PROVEN system
I apologize to the Devs, especially Caulkin, because I think he's a genius, I know they put a lot of time and effort into their apps, but it's useless.
I see 10,000 posts about people having problems with flashing ROMS and Recovery and 9,900 of them were using ROM Manager.....
OK, now the people that are gonna tell me how wrong I am can chime in.....

I never used those apps myself, I prefer the piece of mind that's its being done right, I do like the format all zip I always used that.

I actually agree with you. I myself have come across issues with ROM manager the few times I've used it. Going into recovery yourself is more secure in getting the job done.
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HipKat said:
I know that I come across as a prick on here lately, but I'm gonna start a revolution against ROM Manager and Kernel Manger...
Useless programs for people trying to shortcut a proven system...
One other thing I'm adding to that, but the vote is still out is any FormatAll programs. Both times i used Caulkins, I had to go reflash recovery via PC36IMG.
Newsflash! Wiping all in recovery works fine. I've flashed 1000 setups liek thnat with ZERO problems.
As for the former, not in ONE single thread for any ROMS doers it say "Use ROM Manager". Wanna know why?? Because using RECOVERY is a PROVEN system
I apologize to the Devs, especially Caulkin, because I think he's a genius, I know they put a lot of time and effort into their apps, but it's useless.
I see 10,000 posts about people having problems with flashing ROMS and Recovery and 9,900 of them were using ROM Manager.....
OK, now the people that are gonna tell me how wrong I am can chime in.....
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I have to agree

Agree to a certain point, but I do highly appreciate the work of Koush and Team Win. If nothing else, they both serve as great means of downloading the latest kernel or Nightly.

HipKat said:
I know that I come across as a prick on here lately, but I'm gonna start a revolution against ROM Manager and Kernel Manger...
Useless programs for people trying to shortcut a proven system...
One other thing I'm adding to that, but the vote is still out is any FormatAll programs. Both times i used Caulkins, I had to go reflash recovery via PC36IMG.
Newsflash! Wiping all in recovery works fine. I've flashed 1000 setups liek thnat with ZERO problems.
As for the former, not in ONE single thread for any ROMS doers it say "Use ROM Manager". Wanna know why?? Because using RECOVERY is a PROVEN system
I apologize to the Devs, especially Caulkin, because I think he's a genius, I know they put a lot of time and effort into their apps, but it's useless.
I see 10,000 posts about people having problems with flashing ROMS and Recovery and 9,900 of them were using ROM Manager.....
OK, now the people that are gonna tell me how wrong I am can chime in.....
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ROM manager is just a gateway app, it doesn't flash the Rom for you it has a script to use in the recovery. It's kinda nice to ota a update.zip I can flash anytime.
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Its perfect for us newbies. And yes, we have the right to flash, and no, recovery is not self explaining!
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Meh, as long as the option is there to flash the old fashioned way (via recovery) is available, I can't really care too much about who may or may not be using rom manager or kernel manager.

xqzek said:
Its perfect for us newbies. And yes, we have the right to flash, and no, recovery is not self explaining!
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Which is why the threads for ROMS, normally have instructions on how to do it in recovery...
One thing that ROM Manager is great for is fixing permissions
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You're from Peoria ... so, uh, yeah, you're wrong.
Kidding aside, or - maybe not, what does it even really matter?
The experienced, and not so much, use these services ... why do you care? Are the masses running to you for help? No. They're not. If people are going to do things wrong, they're going to do things wrong.
I've used Kernel Manager twice, only because it seemed convenient. I still looked through threads here. Even if I didn't, who cares?
People use these out of convenience, for the most part. Then, sure, there are some that use such because of them being simple and have no problems. Not to be rude, but what do you care if people do or do not use these? People are still going to **** their **** up, regardless.
Again, if you were the 'help master,' which you're not, I might understand. But you're not, so I fail to understand the reason for the thread. Apart from ridiculing people.
Because using RECOVERY is a PROVEN system
I apologize to the Devs, especially Caulkin, because I think he's a genius, I know they put a lot of time and effort into their apps, but it's useless.
I see 10,000 posts about people having problems with flashing ROMS and Recovery and 9,900 of them were using ROM Manager.....
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I will say this; I see as many people posting problems about issues flashing from recovery as well. Again, if people are going to **** something up, they are going to **** something up. And with most people I have seen, they are posting positive experiences from using ROM Manager. Now, I know - despite you actually using numbers - you have no numbers. So, naturally, I wouldn't make such a drastic assumption while trying to actually use numbers. Made up numbers at that.
And, so - in turn, it's NOT useless. People get much use out of such apps. 'Noobs' and perfectly able individuals alike.
Hell, when I wanted to flash the GodMode kernel I just hit KernelManager and had it take care of business in one foul swoop. Granted, I'm using an older version of Amon's recovery, so I would have had to go into my folder and move the kernel to the root of my SD card, then power down and wipe cache and dalvik and so forth. Instead, I hit 'teh magic button stick' and took a few hits and took a few drinks while my phone just sat there. Beautiful.
Granted, I don't rely solely on these apps / programs ... but even if I did, would you hate me? I can't imagine why, seeing as I don't look to you for help when things go wrong. Not that they ever have. But, honestly, whatever. This is a pretty petty thread.

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You're from Peoria ... so, uh, yeah, you're wrong.
Kidding aside, or - maybe not, what does it even really matter?
The experienced, and not so much, use these services ... why do you care? Are the masses running to you for help? No. They're not. If people are going to do things wrong, they're going to do things wrong.
I've used Kernel Manager twice, only because it seemed convenient. I still looked through threads here. Even if I didn't, who cares?
People use these out of convenience, for the most part. Then, sure, there are some that use such because of them being simple and have no problems. Not to be rude, but what do you care if people do or do not use these? People are still going to **** their **** up, regardless.
Again, if you were the 'help master,' which you're not, I might understand. But you're not, so I fail to understand the reason for the thread. Apart from ridiculing people.
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agreed i read the threads but have at least tried the progs and they seemd to only kind of work well the kernal manager rom manager seemed useless lol but why does it make a difference if someone uses it? are they taking money away from you or something? jw and yes there are people who use it and come back and are like OMFG my **** is ****ed up but then all they gotta do is figure out how to fix it manually so yeah then they probally wont use it again lol

gonna take this one step at a time,
HipKat said:
I know that I come across as a prick on here lately, but I'm gonna start a revolution against ROM Manager and Kernel Manger...
Useless programs for people trying to shortcut a proven system...
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if you dont like them, then simply do not use them. whats the problem?
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One other thing I'm adding to that, but the vote is still out is any FormatAll programs. Both times i used Caulkins, I had to go reflash recovery via PC36IMG.
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used it many times with out issue. sounds like arrogant user error to me. btw its Calkulin, if your going to insult someone at least get the name right
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Newsflash! Wiping all in recovery works fine. I've flashed 1000 setups liek thnat with ZERO problems.
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flashing one zip is simply more convenient that multiple wipes. calkulins zip was created to help the users yet instead of being thankful you are an ingrate.
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As for the former, not in ONE single thread for any ROMS doers it say "Use ROM Manager". Wanna know why?? Because using RECOVERY is a PROVEN system
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did you know that the rom dev has to setup and submit his rom to rom manager? why do you think they do this? rom manager is supported heavily by the rom devs. it is an easy way for users to find new roms they otherwise may miss.
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I apologize to the Devs, especially Caulkin, because I think he's a genius, I know they put a lot of time and effort into their apps, but it's useless.
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you apoligize and insult in the same sentence, doesn't seem to sincere to me.
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I see 10,000 posts about people having problems with flashing ROMS and Recovery and 9,900 of them were using ROM Manager.....
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9890 of those 9900 are most likely user error. besides that, point me in the direction of one specific post like this. i guarantee i can point out a step or instruction or warning that was ignored
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done and done. if you do not appreciate the work put in by these devs then do not use there apps. bashing them will only turn off devs whose sole purpose is to help the community.

I don't trust those programs to do what they're supposed to do; I've read about to many horror stories from people who used them.

u stink
I like ROM Manager and Kernel Manager, they are convenient apps for newbies like me.

Please stop posting this stupid crap - "A Revolt against ROM Manager & Kernel Manager" Are you serious? I thought it would be a joke but your serious- lol. Yes it does cause problems but thats cause of simple mistakes. I have flashed through ROM & Kernel manager numerous times without a single fail or anything. And the irony of you saying you hate the 9,900 post about people not being able to flash - yet your adding the # of worthless posts with this stupid bullcrap. Sorry that I'm coming off rude but give me a break. These developers built something for inexperienced users & even advanced users to add convenience to flashing. If you really want a change please contact the developer with some constructive feedback, not this pointless thread. Cause trust me, this stupid revolt is going to get any application taken down.
Sincerely,
D3luSi0n4L
p.s - If you feel differently and would like to speak please feel free to pm me.

i have used then all and have no NO troubles with them ...
if you dont like them dont use them period .

I am not a pro but flashing things to my phone is nothing I am new to and I for one love BOTH apps!
I can look and read up on a ROM and have this cool program
Download
Backup
Wipe
Install
And let me know if there is a update.
I have flashed many roms and never had a problem. . .
Well, there was a time I did not pick the new gapps and well. . . . That was my bad.
Can I start a "REVOLT" from post like this?
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I am a newbie to all this stuff and I've looked at Rom Manager and didn't understand it but I was taught to flash through recovery. Although my first flash I didn't backup my OS (will never make that mistake again). Recovery is quite simple. Still getting the hang of all the lingo and what exactly everything does though.
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Why the rage?
I've never used the kernel app but rom manager and format-all.zip (I guess you never use clear-temp-files.zip either) have their uses.
When I first flashed a rom, I used ROM Manager (anyone remember Damage Control?). Then I used it to download ROMs but flashed via RA AMON. Now, I only use it to fix permissions. It's a good app for beginners.
I've used format-all.zip and clear-temp countless times and NEVER had any problems. I also never had problems with rom manager - I stopped using it because I wanted to clear dalvik cache and I wasn't sure if CWM did that.
Calm down. Choices are good even if some aren't ones you would choose.
Evo HW 003
MIUI 1.5.20 with Tiamat 4.0.3 sbc
Cut Corners theme

I'm not gonna dispute people's opinions, but I'm not gonna change mine, either.
BTW, I'm not from Peoria! HELL, no. I'm here because this where the psycho that spawned my kids is with her new husband, and I need to be near my kids.
I'm from Buffalo, NY originally.....