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Now Rooted. Kiss OTA's goodbye?

Once rooted, even if running the stock ROM with su permissions, will I be able to even receive OTA updates (Froyo)? Or be solely responsible for flashing the firmware myself? Had a G1 before this but I ended up rooting it after all the updates to 1.6 had been sent out, so I'm unfamiliar how the world of rooting and OTA's collide. I would prefer to do as little modding as possible, even though my vibrant is much more of a high end phone than the G1, it got to a point where I was constantly flashing my phone with new mods and hacks and roms, and it got kind of frustrating having little things wrong here and there. I got my adfree so far, thats enough to make me happy for now.

joe.kerwin said:
Once rooted, even if running the stock ROM with su permissions, will I be able to even receive OTA updates (Froyo)? Or be solely responsible for flashing the firmware myself? Had a G1 before this but I ended up rooting it after all the updates to 1.6 had been sent out, so I'm unfamiliar how the world of rooting and OTA's collide. I would prefer to do as little modding as possible, even though my vibrant is much more of a high end phone than the G1, it got to a point where I was constantly flashing my phone with new mods and hacks and roms, and it got kind of frustrating having little things wrong here and there. I got my adfree so far, thats enough to make me happy for now.
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I'm sure right before the update becomes available you'll hear about it and you can always unroot ...

if you install the OTA, you will download the OTA (which is a NON ROOTED update) therefore making your phone get UNROOTED. now, you WANT do avoid installing the OTA's because they will unroot you, but since you aren't running a custom rom on your phone, you WILL get the OTA from t-mobile, you just have to force urself to DECLINE the install (if you want to keep root) you can update to the OTA release if you want to get rid of root, but if you wait a couple days, someone will have hacked a rooted version of the update.

Lieu10ant said:
if you install the OTA, you will download the OTA (which is a NON ROOTED update) therefore making your phone get UNROOTED. now, you WANT do avoid installing the OTA's because they will unroot you, but since you aren't running a custom rom on your phone, you WILL get the OTA from t-mobile, you just have to force urself to DECLINE the install (if you want to keep root) you can update to the OTA release if you want to get rid of root, but if you wait a couple days, someone will have hacked a rooted version of the update.
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or you can just re-root...correct?

most of the time when an ota update comes out they patch the exploit used to root... this probably will not happen with the galaxy s series phones... 1)Samsung intends to sell 10 million of these phones... 2)It wasnt an exploit, it was left open to begin with

I'm not even sure if T-mobile cares. They allow their customers to post information about rooting their phones on their own forum.
I would post the link but I'm not allowed until my account has been verified.

oh lol, the way i worded my post was inferring that the new update would have "patched" the way to get root, but your responses make me think otherwise lol.

Better safe than sorry if Root is important to you. Wait for a guinea pig to update and verify if root is still an option or not.....

I was wondering the same thing too, but I have deleted most of the bloat ware that came with the brand. So after the ota and unroot, will these programs be reinstalled?
And if I did a factory reset would it restore the bloat ware and unroot the phone?

I got my adfree so far, thats enough to make me happy for now.[/QUOTE]
Is add free really that important? If you don't want a 3mm bar on your screen buy the app. I click the add every time I open an app that is free. If you don't then all the dev will make apple apps... Just kind of selfish if you where to ask me.
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Not like we're getting an update ever. =|
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bauerlucas said:
Just kind of selfish if you where to ask me.
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He didn't ask you.

disturkis4u said:
Not like we're getting an update ever. =|
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Looks like this is the case for the moment. Maybe we will see something soon though, but I still would like to know about my questions.
Charles Sloan said:
I was wondering the same thing too, but I have deleted most of the bloat ware that came with the brand. So after the ota and unroot, will these programs be reinstalled?
And if I did a factory reset would it restore the bloat ware and unroot the phone?
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Rather then making another thread about this, id just like to ask it here.
i know this has been asked about a million times, but i need to make in a million and one.
im rooted, clockwork recovery, mobile ap installed, and JAC kernel. I do not have any custom roms installed. Because of the custom kernel, im guessing that will keep me from receiving OTA?

Question About Rooting???

Once The Samsung Epic Comes out. if i use the one click root how would i be able to use free wifi tether and apps 2 sd? I would like to use those b4 the 2.2 update comes out? Also Do i have to unroot to install the stock 2.2 update when it comes out.
Sorry Going to be new to Android.

davidrules7778 said:
Once The Samsung Epic Comes out. if i use the one click root how would i be able to use free wifi tether and apps 2 sd? I would like to use those b4 the 2.2 update comes out? Also Do i have to unroot to install the stock 2.2 update when it comes out.
Sorry Going to be new to Android.
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As far as updating to 2.2 you should probably wait til one of the devs releases a version of 2.2 that maintains root. If u update to stock 2.2 you may not be able to root without going backwards.
Apps2sd usually gets baked into a ROM and enabled that way and the wifi tether app should work. WHo knows, we may need a modified kernel to get it going

Samsung should release their source code for the Epic 4G once it launches.
We already have the source codes for the Vibrant and Captivate.

My guess - and its just that a guess - is that one click root is already patched in the Epic. We will have to figure out our own root method.

Kcarpenter said:
My guess - and its just that a guess - is that one click root is already patched in the Epic. We will have to figure out our own root method.
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so ur saying is this most likelu the easy one click root wont be available or work on the epic? tjays gonna suck for noobs to android.

davidrules7778 said:
so ur saying is this most likelu the easy one click root wont be available or work on the epic? tjays gonna suck for noobs to android.
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Maybe, maybe not. It could go either way and work, or not work. Regardless, it probably won't take long to find the root path. I'm content using stock for a few days if need be.

davidrules7778 said:
so ur saying is this most likelu the easy one click root wont be available or work on the epic? tjays gonna suck for noobs to android.
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Sprint is pretty quick about patching root exploits - quicker than fixing broken software. Look at the EVO - just a few days after release they had an "SDCard fix" that patched root that was found before release. Given not well, because they didn't update HBoot, but still.
It shouldn't take long for us to find a method of root - max its taken so far is like 6 months on the incredible. But I strongly doubt current methods will work, they have had way to much time to be able to fix them.
The good part here is that we don't have to deal with a locked boot loader like Motorola. Those guys have had root since week 1 and still can't load roms. So once we get root, its all gravy.

davidrules7778 said:
Once The Samsung Epic Comes out. if i use the one click root how would i be able to use free wifi tether and apps 2 sd? I would like to use those b4 the 2.2 update comes out? Also Do i have to unroot to install the stock 2.2 update when it comes out.
Sorry Going to be new to Android.
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as far as rooting and recieving the update, yes. The cool thing about clockwork recovery on the SGS is it does not fully flash a Recovery, it only boots into clockwork when you want to install something. So basically everytime you flash etc. you need to reboot into clockwork recovery. When rebooted it goes right back to the old recovery still allowing for ota updates.

I will be trying the 1 click as soon as I get my Epic in... PreOrder is in now. I will let you know as soon as I get it if it's working.

[Q] Should I root and install a custom ROM or wait for 2.2?

I'm tempted to root my phone, and install a ROM, BUT is it really worth it? Should I have more patience and wait for 2.2 ROMS? Im worried if I root it now, then 2.2 comes out Ill have to restore it back to stock. I also heard if you have a rooted phone and a major update (like froyo) comes out your pretty much bricked. Advice needed?

malvoc said:
I'm tempted to root my phone, and install a ROM, BUT is it really worth it? Should I have more patience and wait for 2.2 ROMS? Im worried if I root it now, then 2.2 comes out Ill have to restore it back to stock. I also heard if you have a rooted phone and a major update (like froyo) comes out your pretty much bricked. Advice needed?
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Wrong section.

Root it. You can always unroot your phone and go back to stock. Ive done it plenty of time. Read through the forums....there are plenty of instructions on how to
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Agreed on rooting. The stock phone software is really crappy. I'm not sure how you live with it?

RacerXFD said:
Agreed on rooting. The stock phone software is really crappy. I'm not sure how you live with it?
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this ^^
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You can always flash back to stock if you don't like what you did to it. I end up flashing to stock, then flashing to a rom every other week or so to clean any messes with my phone. You'll learn how to do it right and how to fix. But start by reading the stickies, and asking the guys on irc if you have questions.

I'ld be more concerned that if you get the OTA before you root, that the update will close the exploit and make it impossible to root afterwards. If you root now, you may have to wait a day or two longer for Froyo. But if you plan to root after (or if you unroot for an OTA), you may have to wait a lot longer for a new root method.

Root and ROM. no question about it. We haven't even heard a release date or even a time frame for when the Fascinate will get it. I know everyone bashes me for this but the bottom line is no one has ever came out and said that the fascinate will get it on this date. Maybe the galaxy S is. But not the VERIZON FASCINATE
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Would i lose root after 2.2 froyo ota update?

Would i lose root after 2.2 froyo ota update on 21st? If so, how do i get back to root? Sorry for newb question.

First u probably won't get the ota cuz u are rooted ......u need to odin back to di18 stock for u to get the update... or wait a lil longer to have one of ur devs. Cook some rom ready for our root phones... personally I won't go back to di18 ... but if our devs told us (which I don't think we need to) to do it.. then ill be happy to do it...
And to get root back from 2.2 do the same method u did fro 2.1
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Is the OP on 2.2? I'm still on DI18, and it has been fine for me. I rooted, but that's it. Would I still get the OTA?

It was my understanding that you could get the OTA update while rooted, as long as it wasn't a custom ROM. Someone chime in?

Way to NOT search people, I mean seriously....
But anyway like the last half a dozen threads asking THIS EXACT SAME QUESTION, you cannot OTA unless you are on a stock rom with the stock recovery, if you don't want to revert then wait less than a day and it will be in flashable .zip form.

You should be able to get the OTA if you're rooted on di18 and still have stock recovery. The update will most likely break your root, though. All you will have to do to get root back is run the one-click.

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yonglee09 said:
Would i lose root after 2.2 froyo ota update on 21st? If so, how do i get back to root? Sorry for newb question.
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worldwidepmp said:
It was my understanding that you could get the OTA update while rooted, as long as it wasn't a custom ROM. Someone chime in?
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Correct you will lose root but will get the update. You have to lose any roms also clockwork I think. Not positive so maybe someone else can comment on that.
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Nevermind.

Question: I used one click root, and it deleted the asphalt demo. Using root explorer, I reinstalled the stock app, but it gave me a notice that asphalt was still in the system apps. I know you need to have all the stock apps when updating, so will I have any problems?
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b3nny said:
Question: I used one click root, and it deleted the asphalt demo. Using root explorer, I reinstalled the stock app, but it gave me a notice that asphalt was still in the system apps. I know you need to have all the stock apps when updating, so will I have any problems?
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Just odin eb13 when it comes.
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Ya, as other users have said, 2.2 is stock so it should ova update but remove your root (was in thesame situation with my mytouch and 2.2). Of course just superoneclick after you update and you're good to go

Thanks for the question and REAL ANSWERS

The Froyo OTA and you what you need to know..

OK I will put this out there for everyone so we don't have a million threads going on this subject.
1 If your on DI18 stock and rooted with a simple root method you will get the OTA, you will lose root.Also having CWM installed will not break the OTA but you will lose CWM due to the stock recovery being flashed.
2 If your on a DI18 rom that you have flashed with CWM you will get the OTA but it will fail due to the rom not being stock the OTA zip will check for this and if your not on the stock rom the OTA will fail to install.
3 If you have a stock rom with any bloatware removed the OTA will also fail to install the OTA zip file will check your system to make sure its stock.
4 If you running a leaked Froyo build like DK28 or DK17 or any rom made from those leaks you will probably not get the OTA notification at all you will have to reflash back to stock DI18 to get the OTA.
The best thing to do if your running a rom is to wait on someone to make a flashable zip to convert from DI18 to EB13 or a zip to flash from a DK28 rom to EB13 it might take a day or two to get it converted but it will happen after all this time waiting for it another day or two shouldn't kill anyone.

I have stock DI18, rooted, and do have CWM installed (but never ever flashed any ROMs at all), will I be able to OTA? Sorry I'm still new at this.

Good idea to post this. I doubt it will prevent the morons from creating new threads though, there are already 3 or 4 scattered about on this board. Should probably throw something in there about being able to d/l it over Wifi as I've seen that one asked a lot recently, too.

Will I still be able to play angry birds?

dannyniceboy said:
Will I still be able to play angry birds?
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No I am afraid this will break angry birds sorry.

adelmundo said:
I have stock DI18, rooted, and do have CWM installed (but never ever flashed any ROMs at all), will I be able to OTA? Sorry I'm still new at this.
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If you have CWM installed it will be overwritten by the stock recovery during the flash.

skeeterslint said:
No I am afraid this will break angry birds sorry.
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nooo, I'm gonna suffer from angry birds withdrawl.
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Never update..... stay on di18. Lol
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nooo, I'm gonna suffer from angry birds withdrawl.
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Whats Froyo?
Sorry, had to do it
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I have stock DI18 with root, but I have deleted some of the sprint bloatware, what does that mean for me as far as OTA update, will I still recieve it or will I have to do a song and dance to get it. Any advice would be helpful

skeeterslint said:
OK I will put this out there for everyone so we don't have a million threads going on this subject.
1 If your on DI18 stock and rooted with a simple root method you will get the OTA, you will lose root.Also having CWM installed will not break the OTA but you will lose CWM due to the stock recovery being flashed.
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So my question is, I have stock DI18 (Odined back from dk28 last night) and rooted using oneclick root with CWM 2.5.whatever(not CWM3). I have read that if you are rooted and want to receive the OTA update you must not have deleted any stock applications. Oneclick root deleted the stupid asphalt 5 game demo and I am wondering if this is considered a stock app that may affect the result of downloading the update.
edit: just saw the post above mine after i finished writing this one!

jspsuperman said:
I have stock DI18 with root, but I have deleted some of the sprint bloatware, what does that mean for me as far as OTA update, will I still recieve it or will I have to do a song and dance to get it. Any advice would be helpful
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Did you read the OP or just read the title and start mashing the keyboard with your face? I can understand missing things in the 1000 page threads, but man it's only one page. Use your good eye!
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3 If you have a stock rom with any bloatware removed the OTA will also fail to install the OTA zip file will check your system to make sure its stock.
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djbacon06 said:
So my question is, I have stock DI18 (Odined back from dk28 last night) and rooted using oneclick root with CWM 2.5.whatever(not CWM3). I have read that if you are rooted and want to receive the OTA update you must not have deleted any stock applications. Oneclick root deleted the stupid asphalt 5 game demo and I am wondering if this is considered a stock app that may affect the result of downloading the update.
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+1 ^^^
Seems to be a conflict of criteria...is asphalt demo not considered a "stock" app? If it is, then by the OPs criteria even havin root would break the OTA since one-click removes asphalt...
A little clarification please?
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I think the main point is everyone should just wait until a cooked up rom is released....who cares if you get the OTA? Ultimately, aren't you just going to put a custom rom/kernel on your phone anyway?
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Demianwulf said:
I think the main point is everyone should just wait until a cooked up rom is released....who cares if you get the OTA? Ultimately, aren't you just going to put a custom rom/kernel on your phone anyway?
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I'm gonna say this one more time. SOME of us just want to have the littlest, simple satisfaction of receiving the cool little feature of an Over-The-Air upgrade. Because really, how many times does it happen? Its like I want to go outside when there's a comet passing by. Yes, I could just pop in a DVD about comets with nice high-def imagery and commentary by Morgan Freeman, but I didn't actlly DO it.
So do not deny nor judge this opportunity for us. If you cant , then don't post here. The thread isn't titled "why the hell would you retards do an ota just wait for some warezzzzzzzzz! Lolzzzzzzzz!" So contribute if you can, otherwise don't.
Plus....SOME of us have been on a 2006 winmo powered brick for the past 5 years and we got to miss out on this fancy little thing called a firmware upgrade...over the air! OVER THE AIR!
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What should someone do to prepare for the OTA
Well as someone said above, not every one has gone through a OTA update (I came to the EPIC from a true PALM when the software was really worth something) and some guidance may keep us from having major problems.
The only thing I could think of was to backup my EPIC. I used MyBackup Pro and backup to both my card and online. Anything else I should do????
George

Thanks for the detailed informed post. We need more like them.

I figure this is the best place to ask this.
I am stock and rooted with one click. I am not running any custom roms. Will there be a stock/rooted release that I can dl from this site or am I going to need to odin back to complete stock and take the OTA update. The majority of what I have been reading is to let your rom maker create a new one. Since I don't want a custom Rom yet, will I be able to get the stock/rooted update.
Thanks!

bgreiwe said:
I figure this is the best place to ask this.
I am stock and rooted with one click. I am not running any custom roms. Will there be a stock/rooted release that I can dl from this site or am I going to need to odin back to complete stock and take the OTA update. The majority of what I have been reading is to let your rom maker create a new one. Since I don't want a custom Rom yet, will I be able to get the stock/rooted update.
Thanks!
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After the OTA starts going out there will be one up on this site pre-rooted and complete stock within like 5 hours.

Awesome... that waswhat I wanted to hear. I will try out roms eventually butwant to see stock first.