Market Problem Explanation 10/28/10 - Vibrant General

All day Ive been addressing the market issue across several threads, and the panic just keeps getting more widespread (i guess my posts dont show up in search ), so instead of just answering each post individually like an idiot, i figured id just thread it up.
The market issues everyone is experiencing today has nothing to do with your phones. I know a lot of people (myself included) downloaded the Manhattan kernel today, but i assure you it has nothing to do with your kernel or ROM.
Google released a new version of Maps today, and their servers have been overloaded due to mass downloading. The problem is 110% on Googles end. EVERYONE is experiencing it across all network providers and all phones. Hopefully this explanation will help clear up our forum. Happy modding!!

+1 google servers are down, it's all over my android rss feeds
Samsung Vibrant using Bionix Final w/JACs UV/0C

I was getting "download unsuccessful" messages when trying to download or update some apps so here's what worked for me..
Applications> Manage> Menu (Filter: All)> checkin service + download manager + google apps + google talk service: clear data for all of them. Reboot.

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Can Not Download From The Market

I am successfully running the Magic 5.0.1G rom... and everything was running OK... then yesterday I cannot download from the market.
I shows that "download is starting"... but it never actually downloads....
I tried rebooting, turning wifi on an off.... nothing is working.
I have the app to sd engaged.... but I did not mess with the cache to sd.
Any ideas or suggestions?
Thanks!
Web
Same problem here. I had to flash back JF 1.43 RC9. Any solution would be appreciated.
Same problem here. Same details also. Looking forward to any ideas.
**app to sd not enabled.
Same here 5.0.1g, apps to sd not enabled, tried starting gtalk, cycle wifi, cycle airplane mode, multiple reboots, clearing market cache, everything I found on google. I don't want to go back to JF. Any solutions?
Yeah, boycott the market. We should make our own market!!! Free apps. How dare they decide to cut off the folk who could no longer wait for them to release "buttcake" and downloaded the Magic rom. I thought Google was my Friend. Now I see otherwise. I pay for their open sourced product to find it's nothing of the kind!!! Dirty rotten heathens!!!
or... we can just wait till the cupcake is released or the G2 hits the states. Market should be back up. This could also be a big ol' mistake in which case "Google is my friend, buddy and the best man at my wedding!!!" If not... Start a market and pay developers 88% of the proceeds...
I'm having issues similar to those stated. I noticed this morning that the apps weren't downloading, but after a few minutes they started. Tried a few more ten minutes later and the problem is back again. I'm running 5.01G appstosd
Did reverting back to JF solve the problem for those who did so? If not, could it possibly be a problem with the market itself? Maybe they are updating, and throttling the downloads to reduce the load while doing so? Just throwing the idea out there. I'm rather new to the scene and don't really know if that kind of thing ever happens. All other networking is working fine, and the market got a few apps for me today after it stopped working. Other files download from elsewhere. It sounds like an issue with the service rather than the roms.
Based on a report from BGR it's jus the G branch of the Cupcake builds while the HTC one still has access for now.
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheBoyGeniusReport/~3/LYGV5FA-3YI/
oDeACoNo said:
Based on a report from BGR it's jus the G branch of the Cupcake builds while the HTC one still has access for now.
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheBoyGeniusReport/~3/LYGV5FA-3YI/
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This was report to BoyGenius from XDA. Check the Magic/Saphire thread - last couple of pages.
Thanks for posting that.
I'm still keeping the build though. I don't need program updates and when I do I'll just download them off the online webs or download on another g1 and copy to an SD (for free apps) obviously.
Not getting rid of the candy they have in this build just for a market.
Didn't take long to get this problem solved. New builds labeled r2 (fixed market) can be found at Haykuro's google code page
http://code.google.com/p/sapphire-port-dream/
Sweet. Haykuro is god.
I downloaded it and flashed it and I still can't download apps from the market. I'm using 5.0.1Gr2-appstosd. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get this to work?
I wiped the phone before I updated also FYI
IM still having this issue, with the new 5.0.1Gr2
I am still having issues as well. Also, do not know if it's related, but on my t-mobile bill it says £ instead of $ on the "amount due ---"
im using 5.0.2H and ive never had an issue with the market, nor did i have one with 5.0.1H or 5.0
doesn't works
what im wondering is where is everyone getting this info about google blocking 'cupcake' users from the market? where is the official statement? because im using haykuros 5.0.2H and everything works on the market for me
wootroot said:
what im wondering is where is everyone getting this info about google blocking 'cupcake' users from the market? where is the official statement? because im using haykuros 5.0.2H and everything works on the market for me
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The 5.0.2.H build works fine the issue is only on the Google Builds. I've tested the HTC builds and I can dl from the market with no issues, but once I install the Google one I run into the issue.
I have the same issue with the gr2 build of apps to sd...I used the HTC build prior and market was fine, but everything else was glitchy so I went for the google build...still, this rather sucks..I wanna play my paid apps!
Flashed to the HTC build until problem resolved. Even with no wipe, just a flash, market works fine.

Only free apps showing up on Marketplace with Verizon

This came up in another thread and I just wanted to put it out there in case others have the problem and don't follow the thread. I know I have bought apps before on the Marketplace but now, for some reason, I can only see apps that are free. I am using the most recent Google Ion image, with sqsh.
Any ideas?
-Xrom1.5r4c
-Verizon
-No Paid Apps Available
Just noticed that, I wonder if its the rom or if in fact its our carrier signature thats blocking the paid. I know Verizon is launching its first Android Handset by Motorola called the Sholes A855 and I am wondering if they disable the paid apps option in lieu of its own app marketplace. If anybody else can confirm this, please note like I did what carrier, rom and if you can access paid apps.
-Xrom1.5r4c
-Bell
-No Paid Apps Available
tallnerd1985 said:
-Xrom1.5r4c
-Verizon
-No Paid Apps Available
Just noticed that, I wonder if its the rom or if in fact its our carrier signature thats blocking the paid. I know Verizon is launching its first Android Handset by Motorola called the Sholes A855 and I am wondering if they disable the paid apps option in lieu of its own app marketplace. If anybody else can confirm this, please note like I did what carrier, rom and if you can access paid apps.
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I don't think it's a ROM issue as we both use different builds. I'll try a few things tonight and see what I can come up with unless someone else does first.
Looks like we aren't the only ones... but this was back in July and there was no reply to it:
http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f12/android-market-not-showing-paid-apps-22043/
Hopefully we can get this resolved.
Have tried all of the roms and I am on Sprint. I NEVER get have seen paid apps.
i second that from verizon. never have had paid apps. tried all roms. Im liking this latest hero rom though. i think im gonna stick with it. pretty smooth
myn said:
Have tried all of the roms and I am on Sprint. I NEVER get have seen paid apps.
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I'm on Sprint and have paid apps on my phone, but none are showing in the market recently. I wondered why I couldn't find Bloo or Cachmate! To confirm I went to Applications > All Applications > Menu >Change View>Priced Items Only and nothing was returned.
I also saw that there is a new market coming out. When it is launched will we be able to use that on our port?
Looks like this might be our problem, this was posted two days ago (about the time we stopped seeing paid apps) so I'm guessing whatever change they made could have done something to our ability to view and purchase paid apps. I'm debating whether or not to post on the official forums about our problem.
Ash (Google Employee)
Hi everyone,
We made a change today that should fix accessibility issues for some Samsung Galaxy and HTC users. If you're still having issues, please let me know.
Thanks for your patience.
Ash
link: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/thread?tid=40c93958284cafac&hl=en
EDIT: I posted a question on the google support forums, hopefully they will answer or at least look into what could be causing the issue: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/thread?tid=44ab7732ede802ef&hl=en
I know that the no-paid-apps problem is still persisting but my luck has just changed for the worse. Now, I can only see about 18 apps in total on the market and I can't filter out free/paid.
Use the market enabler found here:
http://code.google.com/p/market-enabler/
Load it up, long-press on the carrier of your choice (I use T-Mobile US) and select "Use this profile" or whatever. Should do the trick.
However, after running the Donut Market, as noted by some people in the Donut thread, most of the apps in the market will disappear, even if you go back to Cupcake.
Use the market enabler found here:
http://code.google.com/p/market-enabler/
Load it up, long-press on the carrier of your choice (I use T-Mobile US) and select "Use this profile" or whatever. Should do the trick.
However, after running the Donut Market, as noted by some people in the Donut thread, most of the apps in the market will disappear, even if you go back to Cupcake.
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Yeah, must have been the Donut Market that screwed me up. Running Market Enabler does nothing for my phone, guess I'll be getting the Sholes when it hits Verizon in a few weeks.
fireshaper said:
I know that the no-paid-apps problem is still persisting but my luck has just changed for the worse. Now, I can only see about 18 apps in total on the market and I can't filter out free/paid.
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you and i my friend are in the same raft
but i have an idea
if someone that is getting all paid/free or just free apps could download
market enabler
then post there settings that are default then we could custom fake them
jamezelle said:
you and i my friend are in the same raft
but i have an idea
if someone that is getting all paid/free or just free apps could download
market enabler
then post there settings that are default then we could custom fake them
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I am also paddling right next to you guys. What I tried was clearing the phone of my google login data. This allowed me to create a new google account the next time I launched GMail or Market. I was then able to see all of the free apps on Market. Unfortunately, when I re-cleared my google login data, in order to login back into my real gmail account, I was back to only seeing 20 apps.
skajaqueda said:
I am also paddling right next to you guys. What I tried was clearing the phone of my google login data. This allowed me to create a new google account the next time I launched GMail or Market. I was then able to see all of the free apps on Market. Unfortunately, when I re-cleared my google login data, in order to login back into my real gmail account, I was back to only seeing 20 apps.
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hmmm i see. they're on to us.......
jamezelle said:
hmmm i see. they're on to us.......
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Shakes his fists at the Google gods! Curse you!
Yeah, market enabler won't do anything for our Donut Market Corruption, AFAIK.
However, over on the Hero forums, they don't seem to have a problem with the Market. So I asked them about it, and Maximus asked to see our build.prop, which I provided for him both from our cupcake and donut builds. If I have time tomorrow I will download a Hero image and compare their build.prop to ours and see if I can figure anything out.
OK... I may have figured some more stuff out.
I was browsing the Sapphire forums, and found that the dev of one of their Donut ROMs changed the device name to MyTouch, for reasons similar to the issues we're having:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4674402&highlight=market#post4674402
Again, if I get time tomorrow, I will look into modifying some roms to see what results I can get. Hopefully we can get past this. And hopefully the problem doesn't follow me to the HTC Hero I'm getting next month.
craig0r said:
OK... I may have figured some more stuff out.
I was browsing the Sapphire forums, and found that the dev of one of their Donut ROMs changed the device name to MyTouch, for reasons similar to the issues we're having:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4674402&highlight=market#post4674402
Again, if I get time tomorrow, I will look into modifying some roms to see what results I can get. Hopefully we can get past this. And hopefully the problem doesn't follow me to the HTC Hero I'm getting next month.
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i have time today pm me with what you need me to do
Hey guys i'm using a HTC Polaris with ION build. After tested a tattoo build i suffer from the same problem. For me there are also FREE Apps not showing! for example shopsavvy! is this shown in your market?
Thanks
P.S. I also used Market enabler without any effect!

"Google Services" High Data Usage

I'm very confused with my wife's N4. "Google Services" has used ~1.5GB of data in the last 3 days. My wife uses her phone for facebook and texting. She doesn't have any data heavy apps. Any ideas on what do to stop this from continuing?
Maybe try turning off location services or maybe try backing up everything and do a factory reset?
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terpin32 said:
Maybe try turning off location services or maybe try backing up everything and do a factory reset?
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using xda premium
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That was my next option, but I'd rather not have to go through that. Anyone else have anything? Are there apps that could tell me which "google service" was the data hog?
BurtonSnol3order said:
That was my next option, but I'd rather not have to go through that. Anyone else have anything? Are there apps that could tell me which "google service" was the data hog?
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I am having the same problem. I just tried disabling app data sync under Google account settings. Let's see if that helps... I use Titanium backup to back up apps and app data anyways...
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ShinnAsuka said:
I am having the same problem. I just tried disabling app data sync under Google account settings. Let's see if that helps... I use Titanium backup to back up apps and app data anyways...
Sent from my Nexus 4 using xda premium
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I tried doing that, and disabiling background data for it through battery manager, but that eliminates all google sync. I eventually just backed things up and moved on to a newer rom. Like I said, it is my wife's phone and didn't feel like trying to figure out the root cause. If it were my phone, I'd be more patient. Hopefully you can find an answer. 500MB a day is nuts. Glad we're on "unlimited" with StraightTalk.
My brother and I just got the same problem as well. He has been on Paranoid for over 3 months and just yesterday Google Services used up 1.5gb out of no where (in a few hours). Just today, im on Carbon, my Google Services used up 500mb (in a few hours). Thankfully, I noticed that my battery was going too fast so I went in and turnd off background data for Google Services.
Any one have an idea of what is going on?
I noticed this problem on my phone a couple of weeks ago and asked about it here. Unfortunately no one knows what's really going on.
BurtonSnol3order said:
I'm very confused with my wife's N4. "Google Services" has used ~1.5GB of data in the last 3 days. My wife uses her phone for facebook and texting. She doesn't have any data heavy apps. Any ideas on what do to stop this from continuing?
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Install better battery stats app. It will tell you which app is the culprit
Sent from my Nexus 4 using xda app-developers app
System Update Issue
I've noticed this same issue since i updated all my Google Play applications last 07/30. Before the update, I did not have this high bandwidth consumption.
Anyways, i've been researching in my phone and tried the following solutions:
First, I restricted Google Services background data, this did not work, it was still consuming my data. So I kept researching and found something interesting, i went to About Phone - System Update, and noticed my phone was consistently trying to update to 4.3 JB (which is 183 MB), and after the download was complete, then a "verification failed" error message was displayed.
At this point, i thought, This is probably the cause i've been losing all of my data. I am running ParanAndroid along with franco kernel for some time, maybe this is the reason the update is failing.
So, a rough solution i did to this meanwhile: Go to Settings -> Apps -> All and disable Google Services Framework, this will ensure that the update is not constantly being downloaded, however, many Google applications will have issues.
Guys I am facing such extremely annoying Google Services (DownloadManager in BBS) battery drain + mobile/wifi data usage issue and I have been searching for some hours.
First of all I have tried the most answered solution - clearing the data of all those stuffs related to Google Services - well it did not work so well.
Then I don't think freezing download manager / factory reset / restrict background data / disabling google services framework are good solutions as I myself did not make changes related to this recently so a factory reset should not be needed, plus the other mentioned solutions would cause syncing issues with Google and this doesn't suit my lifestyle of heavily depending on various google services.
Many of you have proposed that the massive download / repeated downloads are related to downloading the 4.3 OTA and that might be possible according to the similar file sizes as well as logcats you have found. But on the other hand one of the solution - disabling Network Locations settings has also stopped the "download" triangle from constantly staying there when my wifi is on. Therefore we can conclude that it is partially related to the 4.3 OTA download which cannot be disabled on our custom ROMs, as well as partially about the stock Network Location settings.
Fortunately after many posts that do not provide a feasible answer I have found this xda post which addresses the issue related to the Google Play Store 4.1.6. Some of the users have reported that 4.1.10 has fixed the issue and some even said the newest version 4.2.9 is over the internet since 25/7 together with 4.3 update.
Not sure why such critical update did not roll out to the unluckily bunch of us from Google, but I have found the Android Police source about 4.1.10 fixing the "Network Location bug which hogs the battery" and hopefully this will stop the DownloadManager wakelock as well as the crazy battery drain + data drain by Google Services.
I haven't tested this thoroughly because I will probably need a day to check out whether it stops the crazy behaviour but I would just like to share with you guys my founding as soon as possible so you guys can try it out together with me. The latest Google Play Store 4.2.9 apk can be downloaded from Android Police here.
Hope I have helped! Good luck to you and me!
Miasmic said:
Guys I am facing such extremely annoying Google Services (DownloadManager in BBS) battery drain + mobile/wifi data usage issue and I have been searching for some hours.
First of all I have tried the most answered solution - clearing the data of all those stuffs related to Google Services - well it did not work so well.
Then I don't think freezing download manager / factory reset / restrict background data / disabling google services framework are good solutions as I myself did not make changes related to this recently so a factory reset should not be needed, plus the other mentioned solutions would cause syncing issues with Google and this doesn't suit my lifestyle of heavily depending on various google services.
Many of you have proposed that the massive download / repeated downloads are related to downloading the 4.3 OTA and that might be possible according to the similar file sizes as well as logcats you have found. But on the other hand one of the solution - disabling Network Locations settings has also stopped the "download" triangle from constantly staying there when my wifi is on. Therefore we can conclude that it is partially related to the 4.3 OTA download which cannot be disabled on our custom ROMs, as well as partially about the stock Network Location settings.
Fortunately after many posts that do not provide a feasible answer I have found this xda post which addresses the issue related to the Google Play Store 4.1.6. Some of the users have reported that 4.1.10 has fixed the issue and some even said the newest version 4.2.9 is over the internet since 25/7 together with 4.3 update.
Not sure why such critical update did not roll out to the unluckily bunch of us from Google, but I have found the Android Police source about 4.1.10 fixing the "Network Location bug which hogs the battery" and hopefully this will stop the DownloadManager wakelock as well as the crazy battery drain + data drain by Google Services.
I haven't tested this thoroughly because I will probably need a day to check out whether it stops the crazy behaviour but I would just like to share with you guys my founding as soon as possible so you guys can try it out together with me. The latest Google Play Store 4.2.9 apk can be downloaded from Android Police here.
Hope I have helped! Good luck to you and me!
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Hi and thanks for sharing your investigation and findings so far. I looked at my Nexus 4 tonight and saw that it had downloaded 500mb over 3G so I disabled it and started searching for an answer. Definitely looks to be the OTA 4.3 issue, but installing Play Store 4.2.9 has done nothing for me. My phone has just sucked down another 500mb over WiFi under the "Google Play Services" heading and shows no signs of stopping.
I'm running CM 10.1 stable - really need a fix for this because otherwise I can't enable 3G without burning my whole quota in short order.
Darn, had this same problem, in one day 500mb over 3G.... Thats not cool.
Recently installed a new ROM, Cyanogenmod 10.1, and I think I found the problem. The gallery app was synching all photo's on my G+ account it seems.
Hope I nailed it, because we just went on holiday today and I need my data for finding information etcetrea. But I think this is it, as I can view photo's from vacations made decades ago whoile phone is in airplanemode...
Hope this helps others with this problem...
This is exactly the root cause. I've just lost a gig on 3G today. I'm on wifi now and update just keeping download & verification fail loop. I'm on PA Rom.
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Here's how to disable the OTA download on any ROM
Install Autorun Manager from the Play store.
Then enter its recommended advanced mode.
Go into the settings and enable the following : system entries and system app disable.
Disable com.android.gsf.update.SystemUpdateService$Reciever under Google Service Framework
It would be great if the OP could be updated with this
lorolouis said:
http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/mobile/rLrhgZUpmIg
Find "Disable Service" application from Play Store.
Turn Off only the SystemUpdateService from Google Services Framework
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You can try this
It is definitely something to do with the 4.3 update. I was on PA 3.6 (Android 4.2.2) and had this problem. After upgrading my phone to Android 4.3 on the latest PA, I no longer have this issue. I think it is a problem in the ROM where they tried to remove the OTA feature, but instead it still tries to download the ROM via 3G in the background. Don't quote me on the above, but that is the only thing that makes sense to me!
Since I've reached my limit for the month (and I'm not even half way through doh), I have had to disable Mobile Data otherwise I would have had a hefty bill come through!
Steph

Google Play Problem

when i try to show all my apps in my google account, after i scroll down a little i get an error message (Error retrieving information from server)
code (DF-DFERH-01)
is there any one facing the same problem?
rooooooooney said:
when i try to show all my apps in my google account, after i scroll down a little i get an error message (Error retrieving information from server)
code (DF-DFERH-01)
is there one facing the same problem?
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http://www.google.com/search?q=DF-DFERH-01
The wildly unhelpful google search link didn't relate to my specific issue. Those are all from folks that couldn't open the Play store at all. I'm having the same issue that Rooney was having, where it only happens when I try scrolling down in "my apps". Otherwise it works fine. Did you ever get a solution to this? I've already contacted Google, and their tech guy said, "I'm stumped." He's escalating it, but in the meantime I thought I'd see if you were ever able to get it fixed, since this is the first time I've seen someone else with this specific iteration of the issue. Thanks in advance.
rooooooooney said:
when i try to show all my apps in my google account, after i scroll down a little i get an error message (Error retrieving information from server)
code (DF-DFERH-01)
is there one facing the same problem?
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Try uninstalling the latest Play updates in settings/apps/all apps and wipe Play data, reboot and try again. Its a Google server issue responding. There is lots of info available on Google regarding this error, i suggest you try finding it too
I ran into this on my new Tabpro 8.4 last sunday. My Note 3 has no such issue with the same account. Kept doing it at the exact same scrollpoint every time.
Wiping data, rebooting, clearing cache, none of it helped.
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The wildly unhelpful google search link didn't relate to my specific issue. Those are all from folks that couldn't open the Play store at all. I'm having the same issue that Rooney was having, where it only happens when I try scrolling down in "my apps". Otherwise it works fine. Did you ever get a solution to this? I've already contacted Google, and their tech guy said, "I'm stumped." He's escalating it, but in the meantime I thought I'd see if you were ever able to get it fixed, since this is the first time I've seen someone else with this specific iteration of the issue. Thanks in advance.
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I also contacted Google and they give me instruction like checking time and storage!, etc
and that didn't help me at all, so i went back and told them that and they ask me to make a factory reset to one of my devices (because i have 5 devices signed in with one Google account)
so, now i am factory resetting my Note 3 and updating the system to ND5
please let me know if you have any updates :good:
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http://www.google.com/search?q=DF-DFERH-01
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You sir are a moron. If you don't know the answer then don't bother posting. I hated when I see a post like this especially I already search on Google and came here and see such useful post.
To op, I just ran into this problem and solved by removing my google account and re-add it.
Hope it helps.
gee2012 said:
Try uninstalling the latest Play updates in settings/apps/all apps and wipe Play data, reboot and try again. Its a Google server issue responding. There is lots of info available on Google regarding this error, i suggest you try finding it too
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Again, the info on Google does not relate to this particular problem. Every thread I've found (other than this one) relates to people that can't access the Play store at all, with this error code. However, the specific problem we are having is this error code showing up only in one specific scenario...when going to "all apps" and trying to scroll down the list. Otherwise the Play store works perfectly fine.
I can't speak for Rooney, but I've already tried most of the suggestions from those source (removing/re-adding Google account, wiping cache and data, uninstalling updates, changing device time, etc), but the problem persists.
mbrown3 said:
Again, the info on Google does not relate to this particular problem. Every thread I've found (other than this one) relates to people that can't access the Play store at all, with this error code. However, the specific problem we are having is this error code showing up only in one specific scenario...when going to "all apps" and trying to scroll down the list. Otherwise the Play store works perfectly fine.
I can't speak for Rooney, but I've already tried most of the suggestions from those source (removing/re-adding Google account, wiping cache and data, uninstalling updates, changing device time, etc), but the problem persists.
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i tried literally everything, remove my Google account, remove some old unused apps in the "all apps" tab i don't need, factory reset my note and 2 other of my devices , update my Note 3 to ND5, but with no luck
even the tech support in Google after 96 hours have no idea what is causing the problem and he sent it to a tier for further review
My new NotePro is also doing the same thing. My Note 3 is not, nor is my TF700T. One S3 is, the other is not. It makes no sense whatsoever.

Google Assistant Force Closing

Here is the problem, and I have been looking on various sites and forums but thought I would take a peek on XDA and surprised that there isn't much chatter about it in here so wanted to start this thread.
For a few months now I cannot access "Google Now" .
I am running a Rooted Sprint Note 3 and still using Josh's KitKat Killer. Its a GREAT ROM and had been working fine until about Decemberish. Whenever I click on the Google Now Cards, or press the Google App Icon, I get a brief opening of the page with Weather Map and Events etc. but as soon as it loads it crashes out.
I can access a pure voice command search through my Widget to set an alarm, get the weather etc...
I cant help but Note (get it? NOTE!!! Ha!!) but it would seem to have happened at the same time Google Assistant broke onto the scene en masse back in December or so. Coincidence??? hmmmmmmmmmm
I have another phone that also had this problem, (Galaxy S4 Running Lollipop) and quite honestly couldn't get Google to work until I flashed a Nougat ROM and launched the new Google Assistant. I wonder if they are tired of supporting these older phones and are going to force people to up their game by making them upgrade to Nougat phones.
I have seen lots and lots and lots of 'help' sites talk about how if you 'Clear Cache/Uninstall/Re-install/Update' etc that it will work. That is A LIE! And don't talk to me about using the Google Now Launcher (which I am not that thrilled with) because that does not even seem to make a difference either. I have been, and currently using Nova Launcher. The whole process of Install/Uninstall/Install only works once then as soon as it gets a chance to load the data you are back to being screwed. It wont even stay open long enough to access the page to delete/alter/change settings. Very very frustrating.
I cant believe there inst rioting in the streets from millions of disgruntled Google users!!!!
So now I am just not using it. I'd like to but until then it is a hearty HELLO to S-Voice I guess.
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