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I like my magic very much. But it is getting older.
So, i was wondering, if i should exchange it for a Hero.
Yes, yes, i know about the nexus and the others, but they are WAY out of what i want to spend in a phone.
So, basically, i want a faster magic, better if it has more RAM, and since the hero would officially support support 2.1 i thought it should be faster.
But then I read rants from people telling that it runs 2.1 not very good. So, what gives? Is it able to run 2.1 (stock/vanilla) at correct speed?
My Magic does, so I assume the here would. I'm right?
Any other advantages? (besides the camera).
And last, are all HEROS, SOFT ROOTABLE? I do not want to do JTAGS. I have no problem with gold cards.
i dont think there is a stock 2.1 for the hero
we are still waiting for it
sigh
As far as I understand, it has been already scheduled, and released for some versions (i might be wrong).
So, i'm trying to understand, besides memory, it looks like more or less exactly the same as a G1, so, what would it make it run the 2.1 rom just fine?
Well, as far as i can see, whats really made the difference is the OCed kernels. before them, 2.1 was not that smooth on the hero, now its really usable, and completely stable (I use VillainRom 6.2) though its not officialy released yet, and i expect it will get even faster when we do eventually get an update. In fact, i would say 2.1 with OC is much faster than 1.5 ever was, the improvement is clear in games and emulators.
The hero is a nice phone, and im happy with mine, but if i was buying now I would get a desire. On contract in the UK, they cost practicly the same as im still paying for my hero.
Ok...been an android user from jump street. Rocked a stock g1 for the longest, never rooted. Got a mytouch3g the moment it hit tmobile, loved it and never rooted. Now I have a vibrant even though I want a g2...so i'm going to make the most of it while I got it. I want to start rooting with this phone so I can do it without questions on the g2 when I get it. So I have a few questions before I continue...
1. How do get the 2.2 froyo update without waiting for the ota or the kies manual update? I see lots of vibrant users with it already and im jealous...
2. Ive installed ryanZA's OCLF already & that seems to help with the proprietary lag issues...but it's not perfect. The voodoo kernel flash option within the app has tempted me many times but all I see are complaints of bricking because of it. That concerns me...has there been a single successful voodoo kernel flash within the oclf?
3. Which rooted rom works the best and is easiest for newbs like me to start with? I want to oc this thing so I get its full potential...so zippy file ext formats that dont hose my sd are desired. I take a lot of photos for art projects & download zip files of music from rapidshare, hotfile, etc. while browsing web and texting. Lag has been an issue thus far while multi-tasking so I would like to minimize that as much as possible.
4. Any other useful tips & tricks for the vibrant are appreciated. My interweb traffic is mostly relegated to my phone since pc access is too few & far between. I know pc access is required for most modding/rooting/flashing exercises it's just when I do have access it isnt for more than an hr or so. I dont have the time to fuss over running odin to restore my quasi bricked vibby because I need the phone for work. I need the easiest and most stable methods possible so I can squeeze in a flash on my lunchbreak.
So...i know thats a lot, but if some power users or android pros can steer me in the right direction I would be extremely grateful. I would troll the faq's but like I said this is quicker for me...dont have the time or battery life to scroll through thread after thread without a guarantee that my questions will be answered.
ty,
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Tmo vibrant/JI6 eclair/ryanza oclf w/root/2300+ quadrant score
1. There is no official 2.2 for the Vibrant. But there is a leak "JK2" in the development section available for Odin, or CWM.
2. If you flash Voodoo, make sure to disable it before flashing again!
3. There are lots of "good" roms, but it comes down to what you like. Also, overclocking is in the Kernels & not the ROMs themselves. Most overclocking goes up to 1.2Ghz on the vibrant.
4. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732458 < Full of Tips & Tricks.
Glad you want to jump in, but you need to read around first..
Master comments are well stated. You really want to read all the stickys (at the top) and then also look online at some of the you tube video there enough for you to get the "feel" for playing with the phone...etc. I personally don't you the lag fixes much anymore as the new 2.2 roms are plenty fast and this keep flashing new roms simpler going forward.
I would recommend if you are really going to get into it, to flash back to the T959 original stock rom in Odin, then root the phone (I used the one click version) and then start going from there. I did this for 2 reasons:
1. I start with stock and clear all the old flashing remnants.
2. Then all subsequent flashes I do are over 2.2 roms instead of over mod 2.1 roms/then 2.2roms/ then the latest roms.
By doing this I have only had to use Odin once and then Clockwork-Mod from there.
You will enjoy the new leaked 2.2 Froyo roms.. Good GPS, great battery life, fast no lag response on the phone and generally makes the phone more fun to use. Ignore the scores they do not paint a realistic picture and really only good for bragging rights. Go with how the phone performs
Welcome and enjoy
Hello All,
Hope we are all having a Merry Xmas so far, and no-one else is suffering with a broken boiler and water mains....at least we have our internet and streaks to keep us busy.
Well, here goes. I am a relatively new streak owner, and the streak is my first foray into the world of android. I wasnt very happy with my 1.6 legacy system and was overjoyed to see the official 2.2 update finally drop from o2 (that was a long time coming!!!). I am now getting more accustomed to android, and I see that if I want to stay up to date in this world I really should be using DJ Steves Streakdroid. What I cannot seem to find out from many places is why.
What does StreakDroid offer me that the official FroYo doesnt? Does anyone have screenshots to show me how it actually looks. I dont seem to think the official FroYo is that bad, although I have only been running it for about 4 days!
Prior Handsets
HTC HD2 WM7
SEX1
SEP1i
I would also like to know the answer to this question. My wife and i both have the streak. ( She had to have the white one) Right now we are both running 2.2 with no issues. I can we go to DJ_steve and not have any issues. When i was running the first release of DJ_steve the camera settings kept rotating and the same with watching youtube.
well the streaks my first android as well....
I have been jumping around and flashing roms left right n centre, had the unlocked official 2.2, then added performance fix to it, then went to steves, then went to official o2's 2.2 and then finally now am sticking to steves 1.5.1..
the major reason for choosing this has been because of the performance improvements....his build really doesnt have any lags, free from carrier junk and also contants improvements and development happening(which though can be a pain if u dont like jumping around roms and have to backup each time)...
my personal suggestion would be...if u the type of person who is satisfied with the performance of the official 2.2 and have no probs with it, and also dont like flashing roms then stick to the official build.
on the other hand if u like fast development speeds and pretty regular updates to ur existing roms, plus a faster rom, however with some issues (such as gps fixes and accelerometer being doggy at times for some people) then u shud shift to steve's...
another suggestion is...u cud probably install the official 318 or 315 builds and apply the performance fixes( basically flashes steve's kernal into ur official build), then u probably have the official 2.2 and also the performance fixes from steves rom...
either ways its more dependent on what u are satisfied with...u can always give steves rom a try, and if u dont like it then flash back the original...
sorry for grammar mistakes...wrote it in a hurry...
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Other than these two:
Overclocking
Loading modded roms
I mean let's all be honest, even if you undervolt and remain stable, any overclocking that will allow noticable performance, will have just as much noticable effect on the battery. And these are mobile devices. Battery should be considered top priority, not speed.
And what's the deal with wanting to load all these custom roms? Are they significantly better than stock, Adeo, or gingerblur? What do we need to load a fully custom rom for? Are they lightning fast and extend battery life by 100%? I guess I just don't get it. Deodexing and visual mods can be done without an unlocked bootloader.
Basically what im trying to say is. What is everyone *****ing about?
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As far as I know, there is no way to unlock the Atrix's bootloader. It is encrypted. You may check the xda's frontpage, there is news several weeks ago regards to the Moto's bootloader.
mccoy007 said:
As far as I know, there is no way to unlock the Atrix's bootloader. It is encrypted. You may check the xda's frontpage, there is news several weeks ago regards to the Moto's bootloader.
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I think you missed the purpose of the thread. He is not asking HOW to do it, only WHY you would need to, other then overclocking or loading ROMs.
Honestly, it does make a big difference. Battery life can be very substantially increased in many of these roms. They both over and under clock processors to maximize the life. It's possible to get gingerbread on the inspire right now through custom roms because the boot loader isnt locked. It's possible to completely remove sense, whereas we have to live with motoblur. There really are a lot of reasons. Honestly, look at what Xda is all about, it's android development. Just take a look at the atrix dev forum vs the inspire one. Phones with a strong development community tend to live far longer because they can upgrade the os long after the company stops trying. The original g1 was only officially upgraded to 1.6 (I believe) but Xda has a few 2.2 roms that actually run pretty solid.
Tl:dr the list goes on and on of reasons that you want an accessible boot loader.
Ability to load a custom recovery menu. Nandroid.
it's simple dude. people do it because they can.
Besides the fact you would get work and support from the awesome devs here another good reason would be most phones have their shortcomings.Most of the time this can be fixed in the software.The awesome devs here are able to in most cases get it sorted out within a week or 2 whereas if the phone manufacturer or carrier is gonna do something about it your gonna wait 6 months to get an update. A prime example of this was the rediculously low external and earpiece speaker volume on the inspire.On max volume it was just too low. Now the rom chefs can cook up custom roms with 20% volume increase.
The 2 reasons you want to exclude are the main points. It's like saying "other than drowning; what's the point of learning to swim".
i want android 2.3.3 , can i ? no! i have to wait to an official update from motorola.. why ?!
i want htc sence in motorola , can i ? no !
we love to play and change things.. uman nature
seh6183 said:
Other than these two:
Overclocking
Loading modded roms
I mean let's all be honest, even if you undervolt and remain stable, any overclocking that will allow noticable performance, will have just as much noticable effect on the battery. And these are mobile devices. Battery should be considered top priority, not speed.
And what's the deal with wanting to load all these custom roms? Are they significantly better than stock, Adeo, or gingerblur? What do we need to load a fully custom rom for? Are they lightning fast and extend battery life by 100%? I guess I just don't get it. Deodexing and visual mods can be done without an unlocked bootloader.
Basically what im trying to say is. What is everyone *****ing about?
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Your first question says "ignoring custom ROMs..." and your second question says "What about custom Roms..." so I'll address the second question.
ROMs. Gingerbread. AOSP. Stock Android. Kernels.
Another consideration in favor of ROMs is the continuation of support by the dev community even after the manufacturer has EOL'ed a product. You still see the Dream (G1) getting roms with new features even though the phone has been effectively dead for a while now.
It is always in the phone manufacturer's and the carrier's best interests to kill off support to get you to buy the newest, latest device.
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Just take a look at the atrix dev forum vs the inspire one. Phones with a strong development community tend to live far longer because they can upgrade the os long after the company stops trying.
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I love my atrix.. but I visited the Inspire 4G dev forums... and.. yeah I got a little bit jealous. lol
I hope the few devs we have don't end up leaving and can crack this bootloader!!!!
s1mpd1ddy said:
I love my atrix.. but I visited the Inspire 4G dev forums... and.. yeah I got a little bit jealous. lol
I hope the few devs we have don't end up leaving and can crack this bootloader!!!!
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I know what you mean. That's one thing I like/liked about my FUZE: there was a pretty active dev community, at least until the HD2 came out.
I'm planning on getting an Atrix on Monday and this is making me think about getting an Inspire instead. I guess I'll get the Atrix and if it blows I can take it back, get an inspire, and pocket $100.
Wow is this seriously a question?
Nandroid backups, AOSP ROMs like Cyanogen where you get updates every NIGHT if you wish from the source Android build so it'll always be the latest version - no waiting for Motocrap. Battery life is usually way better, TONS of tweaks (being able to tweak my color balance of the screen, gamma levels, haptic feedback behavior, autobrightness levels and thresholds, lockscreen and messaging gestures, etc). That's all before even mentioning performance increases like overclocking, deodexing for themes, ext4 modifications for faster I/O. There's just way too many things to list but if you've never experienced a phone that has custom ROMs (especially Cyanogen) then I can see why you don't miss anything, but if you have, like me, you'll probably never want to settle for an Android phone that doesn't allow custom ROMs.
custom roms is reason enough...like dinan said if you ever used them you would understand. pretty much all the problems that people are having with the atrix could be solved if our devs had access to the bootloader.
I do see the importance of having continued support after moto leaves the phone behind. And it would be nice to have a dev make a rom to fix the coloring on the Atrix screen. Also I didn't realize that updates to custom roms come so often and that they had that much support.
I am starting to see now.
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As far as I know, there is no way to unlock the Atrix's bootloader. It is encrypted. You may check the xda's frontpage, there is news several weeks ago regards to the Moto's bootloader.
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Luckily, there are a few other people working on the bootloader (I hope), as it is signed, not encrypted; there is a difference.
My phone before the Atrix was the TytnII, and the only reason I was able to keep it as long as I did was because of custom ROMS. If they are able to increase the performance of this phone the way they increased the performance of my 300Mhz/128MB RAM TytnII, then I will be giddy as a school-girl.
Do I need an unlocked bootloader? No, I absolutely love my phone the way it is right now, as this is my first Android, so I don't know what else is possible.
Battery life?
I am running a test of a custom kernel for my captivate. I turned off everything and wanted to see how long it would last.
No wifi or data (no sim card installed) it ran idle for 11 days.
Custom Kernel with no wifi or data its going to last about 50 days. (based on current estimate as im still testing it)
Just an FYI, there are devices with locked bootloaders that have custom ROMs. This includes the X10, which has a Gingerbread ROM. The issue is getting a newer Android build to work with a stock kernel. Unlocking the bootloader is key to building custom kernels but there are methods for getting custom ROMs without a custom kernel.
Developer support.
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Athailias said:
Battery life?
I am running a test of a custom kernel for my captivate. I turned off everything and wanted to see how long it would last.
No wifi or data (no sim card installed) it ran idle for 11 days.
Custom Kernel with no wifi or data its going to last about 50 days. (based on current estimate as im still testing it)
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Well this isn't exactly a real world situation. Who's to say that you're not running the cpu at 1mhz with the screen powered off 24/7. wouldn't you prefer to test under load and real use?
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Just ordered mine refurbished with 2 year warranty for $350. Should be here in two days. My questions:
I see that some people want to revert from 3.2 to 3.0. Why is that? Is there something wrong with the official 3.2 firmware?
What are the advantages to rooting the A500? With my EVO 4G, I rooted just to improve battery life and to be able to tether from my 4G connection. The A500 has a supposed 8 hour battery life so I dont think I'd be interesting in rooting for just that. What other advantages are there? Are the hacked roms that much better than the stock one?
hidavi said:
Just ordered mine refurbished with 2 year warranty for $350. Should be here in two days. My questions:
I see that some people want to revert from 3.2 to 3.0. Why is that? Is there something wrong with the official 3.2 firmware?
What are the advantages to rooting the A500? With my EVO 4G, I rooted just to improve battery life and to be able to tether from my 4G connection. The A500 has a supposed 8 hour battery life so I dont think I'd be interesting in rooting for just that. What other advantages are there? Are the hacked roms that much better than the stock one?
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You must revert to 3.0 from 3.2 if you want to root the A500.
And advantages are better performance, battery life (depending on how you control your cpu/voltage levels), and the ability to use root aps such as adfree. Also you can change the theme, buttons, boot animation, manage system apps, and all that other good stuff that root gives you.
In addition, hacked roms not only give you better battery life, but better performance.
Performance because some of the acer underlying "bloatware" is removed, and also the ability to overclock the processor. This results in better game and film playback for example.
Not to mention the recent fact about the CIQ data gathering code is "hopefully" broken with cooked roms/kernels (see xda home page for further info)
Rooting and romming is not for everybody. Some people are just plain happy with the stock system. But for those of us that want the most we can get, it's a blessing.
Keep in mind that we are reverting 3.2 back to 3.0 so that we can install a custom ROOTED version of 3.2. 3.2 is still the best and most stable, of the Honeycomb ROMS, but with the OTA update for 3.2 Acer changed the bootloader making it harder to root.
Also keep in mind, that when you to the rollback from 3.2, that 3.0 rom is going to act really weird. so you'll just have to be patient and do your things when you can.
And for my 2ยข
If you cannot root, it would be like buying a Windows laptop at WalMart and WalMart keeps the Administrator account Top Secret so you cannot use it. And because you cannot be the Administrator, you CAN NOT uninstall any of the 'crapware' they loaded for you that they through constantly in your face.
Or better yet, you buy a NEW car and Ford/Chevy/etc decided to weld the hood shut, preset all your radio buttons (which you cannot change - hope you like country), lock your wheels so you cannot change the tires, and then to add injury to insult, while you were sleeping they send OTA changes that makes your car work differently then the day before. So, you jump in YOUR car to discover that last night some jerk decided the gas pedal should now be on the left and the break should be on the dashboard. Anyway, you get the idea.
Also dint you need root to read ntfs and such from the USB?
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The advantages of root are being able to do what you want with your hardware. Customizing, tweaking, removing crap, etc...
i have a question will anyone figure a way to root 3.2 i got my icona a500 and it came with 3.2 i dont want to revert back as im not that good with this stuf but like the pros to rooting i have rooted 2 galaxy s facinate and love it oh yes i am a complete noob to this but having fun
pmelah said:
i have a question will anyone figure a way to root 3.2 i got my icona a500 and it came with 3.2 i dont want to revert back as im not that good with this stuf but like the pros to rooting i have rooted 2 galaxy s facinate and love it oh yes i am a complete noob to this but having fun
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pmelah, as the others have hinted towards, you cannot root stock 3.2 from Acer. I remember reading some devs were working on it, but, so far, no one has been able to do it. Realize the reverting back process is temporary as there are plenty of custom ROMs out there with 3.2. It's just that, right now, if you want 3.2 and root capability, you have to revert to 3.0 and then flash a custom 3.2 ROM.
The process is incredibly easy and someone has taken the lead in writing a tutorial.
pmelah said:
i have a question will anyone figure a way to root 3.2 i got my icona a500 and it came with 3.2 i dont want to revert back as im not that good with this stuf but like the pros to rooting i have rooted 2 galaxy s facinate and love it oh yes i am a complete noob to this but having fun
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Already done, it was rooted as soon as it came out. You can find the instructions on xda. The end result will be 3.2 rooted other than that, it will be 100% stock.
BrianDigital said:
Also dint you need root to read ntfs and such from the USB?
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Not in HC 3.2