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Please no now scold me I searched around and I couldn't find it even called t-mobile and tried to contact HTC. So basically when I tether my g1 with pda net I watch my temperature from a baseline of 83F jump all the way to almost 110F. Does anyone know what would be a bad battery temperature. Or abreast point me in the right direction to find this info. Thanx
the battery is charging because of the usb connection (obviously) plus you are probably using the 3g radio at full range and there should be some cpu usage for the tethering app so there you go ...
don't worry though nobody has fried any phone to date, from high temperature.
You should be ok.
i tether all the time. i never check my temp, but i have noticed it gets very hot. i would say if you are worried about it then don't tether. tethering uses the wifi+radio(internet)+charging+tethering app+all background stuff, the temp is gonna rise just like the temp of your laptop rises as you use it more and run more things at a time. the phone doesn't really have a great cooloing system
Haha I have a silicone case on my phone, when tethering the case can just slide right off because it has expanded so much from the heat.
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the phone doesn't really have a great cooloing system
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This is true and thats why I take out the battery cover when ever im just in my hotel room but its normal to get that hot while tethering.
Thanx
Thanks guys for all the responses. I kinda figured that the temp rose because of the wifi, the screen not timing out, as well as the usb charging the fone. But none the less I jus wanted to make sure. Thanx again all!
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Thanks guys for all the responses. I kinda figured that the temp rose because of the wifi, the screen not timing out, as well as the usb charging the fone. But none the less I jus wanted to make sure. Thanx again all!
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You might want to try tethering using bluetooth instead of wifi. bt uses significantly less power and thus generates less heat.
Hey guys,
This issue has been brought up in a few threads, but not properly discussed with a solution. Issue is as follows:
X10 + Gps Application = kick ass gps system with beautiful screen
Having the screen on drains the battery heaps, so I bought a in-car charger. The first one I bought was a crappy cheap one, so I replaced it with a good one that charges the phone properly.
THE ISSUE: After about 20 minutes driving, the combination of the display being on and the phone charging causes the phone to get quite hot (about 40 degrees C from my calculations). This triggers a feature in the phone to disable charging until the temperature reduces.
END RESULT: Overall, the battery drains even though the phone is plugged into power. It drains reasonable slow (about 40% for 2 hours driving) but is still frustrating.
POSSIBLE SOLUTION: I have not rooted my X10, but I was wondering if using the "setcpu" app to reduce the CPU speed to like 233Mhz or something once the temp goes above like 35 degrees may help. Could someone confirm or test for me?
INTERIM SOLUTION: If I really need the phone to charge, I just lock the screen while driving and listen to the voice commands. This results in the phone not overheating and charging whilst driving. If it helps, I use Sygic, Google Navigation and CoPilot, all with the same result of overheating.
It would be great if we could get to an acceptable resolution for this issue as this is a feature that I really want to be able to use often,
Thanks guys, look forward to the replie!
Starsky.
Also, running the .20 firmware on a generic UK x10
im on build .23 - rooted, i just drove about 4 hours with both Google Navigation & Motonav at the same time, had no problems at all!
im not using setcpu.
it might also get warm from the burning sun.... try placing it away from direct sunlight.
Thanks for the reply Joel.
Im in Australia so its winter at the moment, no worries about the sun
I have the phone in cradle connected to the air vent, so I did at first think the hot air from that may be causing it to overheat, so I turned the vent off but it hasnt made a difference.
It seems to be a random amount of time before the phone gets too hot, some days it happens after a an hour, other days it happens after 10 minutes, not sure what causes it. I might try rooting the phone so I can get .23 firmware and see if that helps, thanks for the feedback.
Cheers.
Since you have it placed in front of the vent, the air conditioner blowing cold air on it should be able to keep the temperature down
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You may want to check your car charger output.
If the output is very high, say 1A, your battery will get fully charged much faster, phone & temp will be much higher than say at 500mA.
you definitely do need to check your car charger. I have it plugged in with Navigation on (which leaves the screen on ) and it actually GAINS battery charge. Looking at about 1% every 5 minutes.
I have same problem. Need charging while using navigation but it gets too hot. Will try to mount in front of airblower. Did not have this problem with x1.
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I have the same issue here. The phone heats up quite a bit when using Google navigation and it being plugged in to charge. I'm not sure if this is normal.
Using Google uses both the GPS and Data functions and might be the reason why the phone gets warm. It works harder!
I use IGO 8 and have no overheating issues whatsoever. I am rooted and use SetCPU (using the default "on demand" option).
My battery lasts a very long time anyways, but charging during use it does not cause overheating.
BTW OP! On most cars, even if you have a individual vent closed. If the heating is on to the rest of the vents, that vent will still radiate heat as warm air is blown into the back of the vent fins and they will heat up. Put your hand over this and feel it to confirm. I use a windshield mount and the phone is in direct sunlight a lot of times.
thanks for all your replies.....
quick question, those of you who have said they are able to keep the screen on and charge at the same time...which charger are you using, the official SE one?
If not, can you post a link to where you bought it?
Cheers.
So as I mentioned in the battery life thread, in the T-Mo store, the Galaxy was reporting 2d5h on and still had 32% left in the tank. Obviously that is without SetCPU or anything and people have to have been playing with it. Even not, 30%/day not being touched is pretty good. What have you guys done for battery life? Have you noticed the "ramp up" time that is always claimed by cell phone manufacturers? Mine has sucked today but I've been beating the hell out of it. I'm going to charge it and let it stay unplugged overnight to see what the standby drain is but what is everyone doing? Have you messed with SetCPU at all?
Thx
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So as I mentioned in the battery life thread, in the T-Mo store, the Galaxy was reporting 2d5h on and still had 32% left in the tank. Obviously that is without SetCPU or anything and people have to have been playing with it. Even not, 30%/day not being touched is pretty good. What have you guys done for battery life? Have you noticed the "ramp up" time that is always claimed by cell phone manufacturers? Mine has sucked today but I've been beating the hell out of it. I'm going to charge it and let it stay unplugged overnight to see what the standby drain is but what is everyone doing? Have you messed with SetCPU at all?
Thx
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Who cares, I'm buying 2 spare batteries from Ebay, just like I had for my G1. I can go thru all 3 batteries on my G1 while at work for 10hrs. So, I'm assuming I will get similar results.
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Who cares, I'm buying 2 spare batteries from Ebay, just like I had for my G1. I can go thru all 3 batteries on my G1 while at work for 10hrs. So, I'm assuming I will get similar results.
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Haha I know what you mean. That's what I love about having a removable battery. Who cares right? Swap it out and you're good.
As for my experience, the battery live has been good. The battery status bar up top is not accurate though. Similar to the reception (bar) problem how it shows no bars but you actually have great signal. I'm sure a software fix will be available soon for this. Very minor.
Here are some things you can do to improve battery life:
Remove all unnecessary widgets off your screen. I had an analog clock on there and when I removed it, I noticed better battery life just from that. No joke.
Turn off the live wallpapers. Those drain battery too.
Turn off wifi if not using it
Turn off bluetooth
Set the notifications to refresh at a longer interval instead of like every 5 mins etc...
If you're really nit picky, check "use only 2g networks..." - I personally wouldn't.
Adjust your screen to the lowest brightness. I love that it's an SAMOLED screen, because I could never get by with the lowest setting on other lcd screens.
Hope this helps man...enjoy!
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Who cares, I'm buying 2 spare batteries from Ebay, just like I had for my G1. I can go thru all 3 batteries on my G1 while at work for 10hrs. So, I'm assuming I will get similar results.
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By the way....regarding non-OEM batteries....I do notice that they are all 1500mAh (like oem), but I've always had a stigma about putting generic batteries into expensive devices.
I guess where my stigma comes from is due to my past experience with my digital camera, when I took photos of a wedding and my files got corrupted. My only explanation was because I was using a non-oem battery, because ever since that I've only used oem batteries along with that same memory card and have never had a problem since. It's been 3 years.
Since the non-oem batteries are 1500mAh, it shouldn't matter right? Now that I think about it, I do remember the camera batteries being of a higher mAh than the original battery...I know this only has to do with the capacity, but as for the voltage output, could there have been a strange surge to cause the corruption?
I know I'm just being paranoid, but just thought I'd get some input from those who know about the mechanics of batteries and the likelihood of any malfunction due to it being a cheap non-oem battery made in china.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
My biggest battery drain was use wireless networks was disabled by default. All apps that tried to get my location therefore turned on GPS. One widget was bugged and would keep using GPS, killing my battery overnight. Uninstalled the widget and enabled use wireless networks and only lost a percent or two overnight. Make sure the GPS icon is not consistently on when not using Google Maps and whatnot.
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My biggest battery drain was use wireless networks was disabled by default. All apps that tried to get my location therefore turned on GPS. One widget was bugged and would keep using GPS, killing my battery overnight. Uninstalled the widget and enabled use wireless networks and only lost a percent or two overnight. Make sure the GPS icon is not consistently on when not using Google Maps and whatnot.
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This didn't really do anything for me. Under usage it definitely uses less battery than my N1 but standby SUCKS. How did the one in the store get 2+ days. I switched from GSM/CDMA Auto PRL to just GSM Auto PRL. I am switching back. WCDMA Preferred actually got me better battery on the N1.
iunlock said:
By the way....regarding non-OEM batteries....I do notice that they are all 1500mAh (like oem), but I've always had a stigma about putting generic batteries into expensive devices.
I guess where my stigma comes from is due to my past experience with my digital camera, when I took photos of a wedding and my files got corrupted. My only explanation was because I was using a non-oem battery, because ever since that I've only used oem batteries along with that same memory card and have never had a problem since. It's been 3 years.
Since the non-oem batteries are 1500mAh, it shouldn't matter right? Now that I think about it, I do remember the camera batteries being of a higher mAh than the original battery...I know this only has to do with the capacity, but as for the voltage output, could there have been a strange surge to cause the corruption?
I know I'm just being paranoid, but just thought I'd get some input from those who know about the mechanics of batteries and the likelihood of any malfunction due to it being a cheap non-oem battery made in china.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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The Amps and Volts are important, but in a battery is only a small part of it. The quality matters, the drain matter, it's max input matters, it's sensitivity to fluctuation, sensitivity to over charge... etc etc etc...
That being said, most modern devices these days have a lot of internal fail safes that should try to stop anything crazy from happening... because really the battery could have any amount of amp hours rated to it, how much it can and will output is what matters though. You could theoretically make a battery the size of a car battery for the thing that with 1500AH (aka 1,500,000mAH) would give you a retarded amount of standby time as long as it was rated about the same on everything else... although charge that thing wrong and you would have a pretty cool fireball...
an app called juice defender seems to work pretty good for me on the vibrant (ultimate juice is the paid version with all the features). I previously used it on my cliq and had good results also.
what it does is disables apn and/or wifi and you choose what intervals it comes back on. example - you could have it come on every 15 minutes for 1 minute at a time to complete necessary syncs. you can also set up night schedules etc.
I would recommend this app if you're lookin to save some battery. it also has a little widget to show you how much battery you have saved. not sure how accurate that is though. good luck!
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jaker.the.skater said:
an app called juice defender seems to work pretty good for me on the vibrant (ultimate juice is the paid version with all the features). I previously used it on my cliq and had good results also.
what it does is disables apn and/or wifi and you choose what intervals it comes back on. example - you could have it come on every 15 minutes for 1 minute at a time to complete necessary syncs. you can also set up night schedules etc.
I would recommend this app if you're lookin to save some battery. it also has a little widget to show you how much battery you have saved. not sure how accurate that is though. good luck!
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I've used this but it is a little buggy. I also need live data. Point is results shouldn't be this inconsistent. I need to figure out what that store was doing!
Anyone else?
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yeah i kinda want to know all this, getting mine pretty soon!
Is it cool to use the home charger for the nexus one AND the Galaxy interchangeably?
I ask because I'm ignorant to the amps/differences. It would be lovely to keep one charger at home, and one at work.
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What have you done for battery life so far?
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I stopped caring. As long as it has enough to charge to stay on between unplugging it in the morning, and plugging it up at night, I'm golden. I've had the phone since launch, and I've only charged it up twice, so that's about two days between charges. I got it with a roughly 60% charged battery.
I use BatteryLife by Curvefish to see my battery usage.
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Is it cool to use the home charger for the nexus one AND the Galaxy interchangeably?
I ask because I'm ignorant to the amps/differences. It would be lovely to keep one charger at home, and one at work.
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Galaxy S/Vibrant charger is 5v @ .7A. I think I read that the N1 wall charger is 5v @ 1A. It'll charge a little faster, and will probably heat up the battery more, but it shouldn't destroy the phone. I'm sure somebody smarter will correct me, though.
As I've noticed people ate flooding the threads with battery issues
I thought some tips might help
1. Wipe battery stats once and only doing it when switching between liberated and cm6, don't do it everytime u flash over a newer version of the rom
2. Use minimal brightness and do not use auto, although it may seem like it helps it doesn't, someone told me this and explained basically using the sensor wastes more batter than it saves
3. Use minimal data and get into the habit of shutting it off right after your done or set it on 2g for those who need the notifications, yes it might take a few seconds more to download but its better than the phone being dead
4. Don't let the phone completely die its bad for the battery, I've got into the habit to charge it every night even if it is full and its shown improvement
5. Leave the thing alone!!! If you need the phone don't play games, or anything else that drains it
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To contribute: Lithium batteries are most definitely temperature sensitive. When possible, take it out of your pocket, bag, etc. The hotter it is, the more it drains.
4. Don't let the phone completely die its bad for the battery, I've got into the habit to charge it every night even if it is full and its shown improvement.
^ that is a very important thing as Lithium Ion batteries do not react well to being deep cycled. It is actually recommended that you charge at no less than 35% to prevent the battery " memory" from retaining half charge and reporting full. Almost all new lithium ion batteries are manufactured with a microchip attached to a PCB. This maintains battery function and also allows your phone to report what the current charge, temp, and health of your battery is.
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-12.htm
See the above link for more info on how lithium ion batteries work.
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As I've noticed people ate flooding the threads with battery issues
I thought some tips might help
1. Wipe battery stats once and only doing it when switching between liberated and cm6, don't do it everytime u flash over a newer version of the rom
2. Use minimal brightness and do not use auto, although it may seem like it helps it doesn't, someone told me this and explained basically using the sensor wastes more batter than it saves
3. Use minimal data and get into the habit of shutting it off right after your done or set it on 2g for those who need the notifications, yes it might take a few seconds more to download but its better than the phone being dead
4. Don't let the phone completely die its bad for the battery, I've got into the habit to charge it every night even if it is full and its shown improvement
5. Leave the thing alone!!! If you need the phone don't play games, or anything else that drains it
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How do we set Aria to 2g ? I want to turn off 3G however not finding any option. Battery life is terrible with Aria.
if you are on stock/liberated use the dialer to put in *#*#4636#*#* (speed is neccesary)>>phone info>>prefered newtwork type>>gsm only
cm6 has a toggle in the network settings/power manager
I've seen a couple posts, in other forums, that a task killer will hurt battery life more than improve it. Is this true? If so, why?
Also, I wiped battery stats more than I should've. Did that do permanent damage or will it fix itself over time?
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I've seen a couple posts, in other forums, that a task killer will hurt battery life more than improve it. Is this true? If so, why?
Also, I wiped battery stats more than I should've. Did that do permanent damage or will it fix itself over time?
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some programs you cant kill so it makes the cpu jump to 100% which drains the battery
i personally find out which programs pop back up and put them on a ignore list to make it drain less
it isnt permanent it will fix over time just charge it fully and dont let it go past 15% and it should improve over time
If your in a 3g saturated area the 3g will contantly swap towers even with screen off, when i first got my phone i could sit and watch the battery level drop about 1% every 10 seconds to get around this open phones dialer and dial *#*#4636#*#* and under phone status select gsm only you use same method to swap back to WCDMA prefered for 3g if you need to use wifi tether or need high speed but this was like a whole new phone for me battery wise. will be neet if there is an app that enables 3g for like browser or maps or something like that and then swapps back to edge when not using something that would need it. if there is already one out there lemme know i could use it.
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if you are on stock/liberated use the dialer to put in *#*#4636#*#* (speed is neccesary)>>phone info>>prefered newtwork type>>gsm only
cm6 has a toggle in the network settings/power manager
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This worked .. Thanks . I wish there was a widget for this . I am on stock ROM.
if you are on stock/liberated use the dialer to put in *#*#4636#*#* (speed is neccesary)>>phone info>>prefered newtwork type>>gsm only
cm6 has a toggle in the network settings/power manager
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This worked .. Thanks . I wish there was a widget for this . I am on stock ROM.
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So download a toggle widget from the market.
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So download a toggle widget from the market.
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afaik none of them play nice with sense, at least the few i tried didn't.
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afaik none of them play nice with sense, at least the few i tried didn't.
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What ones have you tried? I know there is a pretty popular one but I can't think of the name of it.
smoda widget.
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Chr0nicDreamz said:
4. Don't let the phone completely die its bad for the battery, I've got into the habit to charge it every night even if it is full and its shown improvement.
^ that is a very important thing as Lithium Ion batteries do not react well to being deep cycled. It is actually recommended that you charge at no less than 35% to prevent the battery " memory" from retaining half charge and reporting full. Almost all new lithium ion batteries are manufactured with a microchip attached to a PCB. This maintains battery function and also allows your phone to report what the current charge, temp, and health of your battery is.
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-12.htm
See the above link for more info on how lithium ion batteries work.
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but will charging it overnight bad for it? so it dosnt overcharge? i thought i heard someone say that so i try to charge it before i go to bed then charge more in the morning but i wasnt sure if Li batteries would overcharge or not
edit: nevermind i just read that it is not possible to over charge a batty but it is bad to leave it charging for more than 24 hours because it will over heat and can cause internal damage to battery and to phone
Some battery saving automation
Ran across this a couple of days ago:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=807989
Been running it on my Aria on CM6.1-RC1. So far running as advertised. In areas with weaker 3g coverage, switching to 2g has cut my battery usage in about half. I've really only used this to turn off 3g, as I need 2g on all the time for push gmail and im, and am using setCPU for cpu clocking.
DD
1. Wipe battery stats once and only doing it when switching between liberated and cm6, don't do it everytime u flash over a newer version of the rom
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i am running Liberated FR006, and have no plans on switching to anything else (maybe the official 2.2 release, but not likely). when should/can i wipe battery data? i've had the phone since june and havent wiped it.
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To contribute: Lithium batteries are most definitely temperature sensitive. When possible, take it out of your pocket, bag, etc. The hotter it is, the more it drains.
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Interesting. I was wondering about this the other, thinking that perhaps my battery life has gotten worse since I put the phone in a silicone case. Is that perhaps holding heat in/creating overheating and battery drainage?
Hey. Does someone you know, what is the highest (read: critical) battery and HW temperature in this phone? I am a little bit scared when I'm getting even 55*C on battery when I am using it as a navigation connected to charger in a car. I know it's too high because when it's heating over 49*C it stops charging. My question is how dangerous is such high temperature for HW and Battery? Is it normal behavior?
I never had such high temperatures, and I live on a hot country (Brazil). Try to check apps running in background, or, if you are using 3G and charger, it can get really hot. But I think it's normal, since my phone reaches 45ºC while charging, and I don't use 3G.
with 3g my phone gets crazy hot. i once left it on overnight (it didnt go to sleep) and when i woke up it felt dangerously hot, musta been 50deg or something
otherwise, with wifi it just gets warm... still worrying though, considering none of my other portable devices have ever gotten this hot before... just shows where all of the battery life goes to! :S
i dont think its the battery getting hot though, it must be the cell chip. my batt temps are usually pretty low, and the batt itself doesnt seem to get hot. its just the panel above the battery that warms up
My phone got so high temperature (55*C) when I was using navigation. Moreover it was pluged to the car charger (but wasn't charging because of high temperature) and mounted to the window in hot sunny day. And I'd like to know how dangerous is such high temp. for the device.
I wonder if we have dud phones? my battery life sucks ass... bare able on wifi, but **** with 3g
Agree with scott. With prolonged use my battery doesnt heat up, just the panel above the battery (where the camera is)
And my battery life sucks too. Gotta keep it charged in the car for even short (30 min) trips with navigation
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Try checking the manual (if there is) for operating temperatures etc.
I'm not exactly sure of how it'll affect the phone but it poses health problems due to higher radiations.
Try preventing this by ensuring all other (running) apps that you don't need are closed by using a task killer and all connectivity stuffs (eg. bluetooth, data sync) ESPECIALLY THE BACKGROUND DATA if you don't need it. Also, if possible try to refrain from covering the back panel (mainly the area near the camera) and allow ventilation to let it cool so it won't overheat.
What else I do is leaving the keyboard opened so there's even more surface area for it to cool.
The problem isn't just about damage, but that you don't want to be holding hot metal.
Yes it sucks but its a price to pay for such high specs packed in such a tiny casing.
My friend who owns Samsung Galaxy II has his phone heating up even more frequently and quickly, so we're not the only ones
Its annoying because we know its avoidable and shouldnt have been allowed in the final design by motorola
I've never seen such high temperatures with my M 2.
Highest was 47ºC while charging and playing a game. It usually sits around 35-36ºC idle, and 40-42º during games.
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I wonder if we have dud phones? my battery life sucks ass... bare able on wifi, but **** with 3g
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And my battery life sucks too. Gotta keep it charged in the car for even short (30 min) trips with navigation
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That's normal guys... Every device dying in a "few minutes" with 3G. And U know what? From my last 3 devices which I have been using to surf in the Internet with 3G (Moto RIZR Z8, Nokia N86, Moto Milestone 2), MM2 lasts the longest.
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Agree with scott. With prolonged use my battery doesnt heat up, just the panel above the battery (where the camera is)
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That's right, but every app just showing the battery temperature
Damn..
Yesterday my milestone 2 became hotter as ever, just above the battery (where the camera is, like newbietown). First I turned it off, but it stayed hot even then. After I removed the battery it became cool again.
But! Now my MS2 is completely dead...
It's really not turning on again, and charging is really weird (irregular flashin led). And my warranty is void because of me installing argen2stone I guess ..
Well, just flash a stock rom and they'll never know...
My phone is not recognized on my computer using USB . Can I still use rsd lite?
First get to bootloader mode: Power + Volume Up (or down) + Camera
If battery is too low you'll need to buy a relacement or a external charger.
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Try taking it to warranty. Argen2Stone is so lightly modded, maybe they won't mind it. Anyway, you have nothing to lose now. And this really looks like a HW problem, not SW
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Beginning of next week I will hand it in for warranty. I think it has something to do with the power circuit in the phone. Sometime i've used HTC chargers (1A) instead of the motorola charger (0,85A).. That could be the cause Hopefully they cannot see that.
I don't think that's a problem. I always use a Nokia charger, I find the original charger too short, the Nokia has a good lenght. And I never had problems with overheating. Also, 1A is the maximum current that the charger can provide, not the nominal [email protected] anytime
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