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I installed Spare Parts and saw that my phone was never sleeping, even though it was on standby all the time.
This was caused by the location by antenna feature.
Ever since i unchecked that feature i've had around 50-60 hours of uptime, with a few calls and a lot of texts.
hope this helps alot others
With the new firmware the problem of battery dissapears completely
There is a known issue with network location detection in android 1.6. I had the same issue with my galaxy and it was solved. Now that we have root, we can hopefully do the same.
Also, br aware that I have found spare parts to actually stop the phone from sleeping, as well as tapatalk. I suggest rebooting after using either program.
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There is a known issue with network location detection in android 1.6. I had the same issue with my galaxy and it was solved. Now that we have root, we can hopefully do the same.
Also, br aware that I have found spare parts to actually stop the phone from sleeping, as well as tapatalk. I suggest rebooting after using either program.
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Actually that issue is fixed in the latest update so it's already fixed without needing root.
Which firmware? I know I'm still experiencing it.
RBA020 solved the battery issues for me.
Where in spare parts does it show you if your phone has been sleeping?
you don't need spare parts. Just dial *#*#4636#*#* and click battery history and then the running bar.
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Inebriatef said:
This was caused by the location by antenna feature.
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I hope this means that under Location, you had Wireless Networks and Assisted GPS enabled.
One question tho... how did you isolate this feature as the one that was keeping the system awake?
I just found that my phone has been running most of the time, I see Running at 100% under Battery History. Then I select Partial Wake usage and see Android System has the largest share. But what part of Android System? how does one get to know?
I know from having a Samsung galaxy and being part of the androidforums community that was going nuts until Simone found a bug report with Google saying that network location was stopping devices from sleeping. We had root so a Dev applied a patch to services.odex and voila! Phones were napping again.
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adrianoftyriel said:
I know from having a Samsung galaxy and being part of the androidforums community that was going nuts until Simone found a bug report with Google saying that network location was stopping devices from sleeping. We had root so a Dev applied a patch to services.odex and voila! Phones were napping again.
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Hmm... time to give this a try... so is it just Wireless Network or also AGPS that causes this problem?
I hope I can still leave GPS turned on?
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Didn't know that there was an XDA App till I saw your sig. Looks like its worth a try since its free!!
Update after turning location off completely
Well first run with all location methods disabled (I can still enable GPS quickly via a widget when I need to use it)... the battery performance is up phenomenally!!
I charged fully before going to bed last night, then kept the phone unplugged... woke up and found the battery was at 97%. This has never happened to me.
Ok, one thing tho, I use Juice Defender with night time schedule, so my wifi and 3G were off during most of the night. Anyways, its been around 3 hours since I woke up, and I've been using the phone on and off to do some browsing.
The battery is now at 93%.
I do not use any other aid other than Juice Defender... no task killers, no startup editors. Will update on how the rest of the day progresses.
EDIT: my thanks to Inebriatef and adrianoftyriel for pointing this out.
j4mm3r said:
I hope this means that under Location, you had Wireless Networks and Assisted GPS enabled.
One question tho... how did you isolate this feature as the one that was keeping the system awake?
I just found that my phone has been running most of the time, I see Running at 100% under Battery History. Then I select Partial Wake usage and see Android System has the largest share. But what part of Android System? how does one get to know?
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I too would like to hear a bit more. Could the OP please elaborate?
I'm running the latest FW and although my battery life increased exponentially, I find that it's not going to sleep anymore! I had close to 50 hours battery life and now I repeat everything to get just under 20 hours.
I don't use task killers and crap anymore, just before I put my phone away. If I don't, I have a trillion programs running with like 40mb of RAM free. Although I understand this is Linux based, these programs are RUNNING and not idle. All my **** is draining the battery again after a clean reinstall of everything. What a bummer.
bongd said:
I too would like to hear a bit more. Could the OP please elaborate?
I'm running the latest FW and although my battery life increased exponentially, I find that it's not going to sleep anymore! I had close to 50 hours battery life and now I repeat everything to get just under 20 hours.
I don't use task killers and crap anymore, just before I put my phone away. If I don't, I have a trillion programs running with like 40mb of RAM free. Although I understand this is Linux based, these programs are RUNNING and not idle. All my **** is draining the battery again after a clean reinstall of everything. What a bummer.
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@bongd, by latest FW, do you mean the R2BA020? If yes, then you shouldn't be affected by the problem being reported here. I'm still on R1FB001, which apparently has this Android 1.6 bug related to location.
As in my case, simply by disabling location settings (even though this reports that network location is the culprit, I disabled them all), the phone is now able to suspend itself and basically consume very little battery in standby.
Personally, I dont see any issue with lot of applications running and having little RAM left because I trust the Android system to manage it efficiently. Furthermore, the RAM on these phones is not as fast as what you would see typically on desktop systems, so it actually helps having things around in memory rather than aggressively cleaning it out. Checkout this link to understand a bit more about Android task management features: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html
I suggest you use Spare Parts to isolate your battery drain, there might be some app that is misbehaving and hogging systems resources. Also turning off very frequent updates/refresh intervals in some applications is the way forward.
I found through trial and error that fancy widgets keeps my phone from sleeping.sad cause I really want to use it.
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@bongd, by latest FW, do you mean the R2BA020? If yes, then you shouldn't be affected by the problem being reported here. I'm still on R1FB001, which apparently has this Android 1.6 bug related to location.
As in my case, simply by disabling location settings (even though this reports that network location is the culprit, I disabled them all), the phone is now able to suspend itself and basically consume very little battery in standby.
Personally, I dont see any issue with lot of applications running and having little RAM left because I trust the Android system to manage it efficiently. Furthermore, the RAM on these phones is not as fast as what you would see typically on desktop systems, so it actually helps having things around in memory rather than aggressively cleaning it out. Checkout this link to understand a bit more about Android task management features: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html
I suggest you use Spare Parts to isolate your battery drain, there might be some app that is misbehaving and hogging systems resources. Also turning off very frequent updates/refresh intervals in some applications is the way forward.
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Thanks, j4mm3r. I am using R2BA020. It looks like I have some diagnostic troubleshooting to do when I get home.
Sitting here at work charging my phone, it isn't loading craploads of programs anymore. And it seems to be sleeping okay. I'll play around when I have some free time.
Fixed my problem big time
Hey guys,
I just wanted to throw my two cents into the pot.
OK – so after experimenting with Task Killers, Task Managers, Spare Parts, Juice Defender, etc. I came to the conclusion that they (for the most part) did more bad than good. It was getting to the point that I was just starting to accept that “The X10 just has ****ty battery life” end of story.
I also read in a Google released post on the web, that there are a number of reasons that Task Killers, etc. are actually not required to end tasks. Android actually has a fairly intelligent and systematic approach to killing tasks that are not being used. I haven’t used any sort of proprietary battery saver, task ender, startup cleaner, etc. and I’ve been having the best phone performance since I got the headset.
The time now (Eastern Standard) is 3:30pm on Monday. The last time I charged my phone was Saturday evening at 6pm, and currently I am showing 24% battery remaining. Let those numbers do the talking!
My settings are:
Wi-Fi always off unless I am going to be actively using it (browsing)
Using Phone info, I change WCDMA Preferred to GSM Only (enables 2g instead of 3g without disabling data altogether)
GPS always off
Screen settings, brightness, etc. I believe have a much smaller effect than people tend to believe. The SINGLE BIGGEST factors for me, and noticing this huge increase in battery life are:
Settings -> About Phone -> Software Update -> UNCHECK Automatic Search (this constantly searches the market, etc. for app updates and what not)
Cycle power immediately after charging. Once my phone completes its charge, I turn off and then on again.
I hope that some people can enjoy moderately extended battery life as I have. I am SO ecstatic to be at HOUR 43 and still at 20%+
Worth mentioning also that I am on Rogers (Canada) and have not received any updates, so this extended battery life is not a result of a firmware update.
How I Fixed My Batter Life Problem
My Incredible would run dead in about 4 hrs doing nothing. I finally dug into several "task killer" programs and found that about 20 - 30 apps were invisibily running in the background constantly. As soon as I permanently killed them, my battery life went to normal. I can now get about 2 days of normal use on 1 charge. Even a day of pretty heavy use will last almost all day.
So for me, it was all the new apps I installed when I first got the phone that were running in the background. The free "task killer" program was not showing them. I finally found the app called "System Panel." It was the ONLY app that would show me all the "invisible" apps that were still running invisibly in the background and let me kill them. Once I killed them with System Panel, they stayed dead and the free "task killer" program could auto-kill them from them on.
Not sure why the free programs could not see the rogue apps, but my battery life is GREAT now.
Inebriatef said:
I installed Spare Parts and saw that my phone was never sleeping, even though it was on standby all the time.
This was caused by the location by antenna feature.
Ever since i unchecked that feature i've had around 50-60 hours of uptime, with a few calls and a lot of texts.
hope this helps alot others
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What do you mean caused by the location of the antenna feature?
Where is this option to uncheck this feature.
Thanks dear.
Vatis
I'm running R2BA023 and I am struggling to get a full day from the phone at the moment. It normally lasts around 12 hours and then its flat.
However, I ran the Telenor R2BA020 update and I manage to get a full day with ease.
I have just done a clean install of R2BA023 Generic UK "root" edtion and going to see how I get on. What I did notice before is that the phone was not returning to a idle state.
I'd like to know if anyone is having the same lag problems as I am getting from time to time..
The lag happens for no reason and comes at different times while doing different things.
I downloaded Watchtower from the Android Market to monitor what was happening. When the phone is running fast the /INIT process is showing as 0%..as soon as the lag starts to happen I check Watchtower again and the /INIT process is at anywhere from 70% to 100% CPU usage.
I dont use an app killer but I donwloaded one to try and see if it would correct the problem, it doesn't. The only way to solve the lag is to Restart the phone, then its fine for the rest of the day, sometimes two days but it always comes back.
I sold my SGS because of the lag issue and now it seems I have it with the DHD..
I did google this and I found that it maybe something to do with android itself..looks like /INIT is an android process..
If you notice your DHD lagging then download Watchtower and I'd bet you will see the /INIT process killing your phone..
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EDIT - A fix has been found to stop the /Init process lagging the phone.
On your phone go to..
Menu/settings/applications/development/now turn on Usb debugging..
This seems to keep the / init process at 0% CPU usage, it also works when the /INIT problem starts, turning USB debugging on will make the /INIT process drop back to 0%, very nice to see.
Ive contacted the Dev to find out if he can tell us why this method has fixed the problem.
Still need an update from Htc but at least we can use our phones again..
There doesn't seem to be any negative effects from turning this option on, the only thing to note is turning it off to connect to your pc could bring the /init process back and lag your phone. You can download Android Manager from the market for free which will allow you to transfer data from your pc using Wi-Fi, using this app you can keep the USB Debugging on.
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EDIT 2 - It looks like you can connect to the pc via USB cable with the debugging turned on without problems, the only difference is that it will try and install additional drivers...because of the debugging mode..
Im using windows 7 and the ABD driver wont install...you need to download Htc Sync on your pc which downloads the ABD driver !!
We should also watch the battery as this may actually increase battery life...
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EDIT 3 - Not one single person has come back to me and said that the /INIT problem has returned after this fix...lets hope it stays that way.. 10/11/10
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EDIT 4 - A lot of people including myself have found that this fix improves their battery life quite a bit.
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Last EDIT before thread is locked just for reference and to help people !!!
For people that have the com.htc.bgp process that loads the CPU it stays at 80-90% all the time, and i have autosync on, if you stop auto sync the process goes out....
So here is the final fix in the link below (post 7)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=659325
Thank you to everyone in this thread for there efforts...amazing response.
Thanks to all the XDA Community...Including the Devs and Mods
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nednapalm said:
I'm getting the problem.
No apps installed except the flash and maps update, oh and OS Monitor.
Have turned off "Fast Boot" and removed battery to reset, ok for now. Very scared to start installing more apps, nearly unusable when it is lagging
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I also tried the "turn off fast boot and it was ok for 2 days, it came back this morning though..It is very worrying and yes, the phone is unusable until it is Restarted..Thanks for the reply.
sanju007 said:
LAG WHAT?
I hope not, the samsung galaxy s have lag issus and its very bad and i sold de sgs
And now the DHD gets also lag problems ?
Ik hope not, then i will not buy this phone
Maybe an good task killer wil help ?
More people have lag issus ?
Can you make a video ?
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An app killer doesn't solve the problem and Im unsure how many people are having this problem, to my understanding its not many...that's why I started this thread to try and find out.
I wouldn't worry yet...
I will make a video when it happens again...it may take a few days to come back....but it always does...a video added to this thread would be most useful...just have to wait till it rears its ugly head again.
So it seems that /init is a core process regarding the initialisation of the Android system and userspace hence the fact it cannot be killed using OSMonitor. It is always the first process that runs on Linux systems after boot and acts as a parent process which itself initialises then processes needed to get the OS going.
Here is a description of the Android Init Process from elinux,
'init'
A key component of the Android bootup sequence is the program 'init', which is a specialized program for initializing elements of the Android system. Unlike other Linux systems (embedded or otherwise), Android uses its own initialization program. (Linux desktop systems have historically used some combination of /etc/inittab and sysV init levels - e.g. /etc/rc.d/init.d with symlinks in /etc/rc.d/rc.[2345]). Some embedded Linux systems use simplified forms of these -- such as the init program included in busybox, which processes a limited form of /etc/inittab, or a direct invocation of a shell script or small program to do fixed initialization steps.
The init program processes two files, executing the commands it finds in them, called 'init.rc' and 'init.<machine_name>.rc', where <machine_name> is the name of the hardware that Android is running on. (Usually, this is a code word. The name of the HTC1 hardware for the ADP1 is 'trout', and the name of the emulator is 'goldfish'.
the 'init.rc' file is intended to provide the generic initialization instructions, while the 'init.<machine_name>.rc' file is intended to provide the machine-specific initialization instructions.
The Bug
The /init bug has presented itself on numerous handsets including the HTC Desire, Nexus One and Droid X models. It seems to be specific to Android 2.2 and reports the same symptoms on all handsets. Primarily this is due the 99% CPU usage causing system slowdown and left unchecked, high battery usage. It is not specific to HTC Sense ROMs as it also presents itself on stock releases. The only solution so far is a reboot. Hard Reboots and altering system settings seem to have no effect on the reproduction of this bug.
I can only speculate to what is causing the issue and hopefully a Dev can shed some more light.
Logically it seems as though a 'rogue' process is triggering /init to resume its primary function in regards to checking filesystems and attempting to spawn other system process. Due to some form of miscommunication between the processes in question, /init continues to perform these post boot tasks in a constant loop.
Think of it like this, if you try perform tasks straight after boot, the phone is unresponsive while the SD is mounted/checked and all other processes are fired up. The /init process is responsible for these tasks. If it were to loop, you would experience the symptoms we are having.
I found this on Wikipedia:
After /init has spawned all of the processes specified, init goes dormant, and waits for one of three events to happen:- processes it started to end or die, a power failure signal[clarification needed], or a request via /sbin/telinit to further change the runlevel.
So our trigger should hopefully be narrowed down to these three events.
Regarding what I posted before, the connection between sync and the bug has proven itself to be a false one.
I've also noticed that sometimes the bug can be present, however there is little impact on the responsiveness of the OS. It can seem as though everything is ok yet the CPU load can be extremely high, resulting in poor battery performance.
Anyway, hopefully more people can contribute to this thread so we can build up a better picture of what is going on. I will also try and grab a Logcat and ask anyone else near their PC when it happens to do the same.
There is a thread here which has users complaining of the same problems, yet no solutions are presented. Hopefully we can make a bit more noise and get some definitive answers.
Regards.
Hey guys some great feedback here, as with my link on starting this thread the /INIT is an android 2.2 process, auto sync on/off doesn't solve the problem neither does a hard reset, taking the battery out ect...
The guy in the link says his method worked for him, can't say the same for myself, I have a feeling his problem will be back...but if it did fix it for him then thats great, just cant say the same for me
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...3&postcount=42
I have gone 5 days without the problem coming back and then Oh no its back, sometimes it happens twice a day, all the above doesn't fix this problem im afraid from what I have experience anyway.
The /INIT process is only 132k, something so small causes the phone to be basically unusable....very frustrating.
The 1.32.405.6 update also doesn't solve this problem, I updated yesterday and 10 min later I had the dreaded /INIT problem...
The so called "turn off fast boot doesn't fix the problem either, I have had the /INIT lag problem with it switched on and off...
What I find to be the most strangest thing is that if this is indeed an android process which it most likely is then why doesn't every DHD phone have this lag from time to time???.....why only certain phones??..
I haven't had the problem since yesterday (around 12 midday), when it occurs again I will be posting a video as requested...
The mystery continues.......There is NO solution as yet that fixes this problem.
Thanks to Lynxboy, your posts give some good information.
I wonder if this has any relevance to the problem from a linux based PC..
It seems that /INIT uses the same Process ID - 1 (found from using watchtower)
http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialInitProcess.html
BigMango said:
You purchased it from ebay, but did you buy it from a shop or from an individual (second hand)?
If you got it from an ebay shop they should give you a receipt. If it was from an individual, he should give you his original receipt (that's when the warranty started).
Anyway, the phone has a 2 years warranty, so you are covered for the next 2 years minus 1 or 2 weeks. And the paypal transaction is a valid payment receipt (it can be verified directly with paypal); so even without the receipt from the first owner HTC should cover you since the phone can't be 2 years old.
Get in touch with HTC directly, they should replace it. But the tricky part is that the problem must happen when they check it out, for this reason I would also make a video of the problem the next time it happens and send it to them by email so they can keep it on file with your RMA.
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Thanks for the advice, Im going to contact the seller, he had it on upgrade and shipped it to me the following day..he seemed a nice guy so It should be ok...Now its just a matter of waiting for MR INIT to show up haha....wonder if he wears a hoodie LOL
bimmerfox said:
I'm not wrong because I see it with my own eyes. Even my DHD had the same problems as described. After the update no more /INIT at 90% and it keeps running smooth now.
Try to keep your patience before quoting a person who is willing to help others.
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What?? Why do you think I made this thread...to help myself and others...as we do at XDA....the update doesn't fix the problem....just because yours hasn't lagged since the update doesn't mean its fixed....I've gone 5 days with no lag and it came back...like yours probably will.
Ridiculous....
EDIT- You can't post a statement that the problem as been fixed when numerous people have done the update and still experienced the /INIT problem...how can it be fixed??...and since the update only came out yesterday you have no way of knowing this for sure... its way to early to say that.. Try reading through posts in the forum and gather some information next time.... the update was for the youtube fix, we're not even sure that HTC were aware of the problem at the time.
Hi guys,
Just finished work and have caught up with the thread since I last posted and wanted to clarify a few things. I would also ask any new readers to find my previous post which covers much of the nature of the /init process.
The problem is solely software based. The hardware is NOT at fault!
The /init process is the parent process of Android/Linux, hence the PID 1 in OS Monitor. Imagine it as the ignition system in your car. You need to turn the ignition to fire up the other systems and that technically is the role /init takes.
It is not a rogue process in itself. It cannot be killed or closed via a task manager.
The latest update was not a fix nor does it resolve the issue.
The bug IS a Froyo bug and affects numerous devices not just the DHD although it is not present in all Froyo ROMs.
It is possible the memory management is to blame however I have run many Froyo based ROMs from FRF55 and not experienced it before; they all use the same memory management.
The three triggers for /init to awaken after its boot tasks are completed are specified in my previous post. These are the most likely causes for our issue and are in my mind triggered by some rogue process interactions.
A logcat will only really be useful if it captures the event taking place. A logcat taken when the /init process has started will report back specifically that.
Just because you haven't experienced the bug in 2days doesn't mean you are bug free, nor is there a bad batch of phones as this would indicate a hardware issue.
Continuing this thought, it is possible if you are on a branded operator ROM you may be bug free.
The /init bug is extremely annoying.
Regards.
Yes off topic...
Im asking the mod to still keep this a sticky but to lock the thread as there is really nothing left to discuss and its just here for people that are still having the /init problem as a reference...
EDIT - Thread being locked soon so....
Agian thanks to all xda community !!
Is this stickie needed anymore? Has this been corrected by any software update?
I've had this problem since the day I got the phone (December 2010) and got it again today. Once I see the obvious lag of everything, I just restart.
If it can help...
I have noticed this phenomenon the first time just after installing 2 things in my DHD :
- creating the HTCSense account (and keeping it synchronized one a day)
- installing the HTC plugin for Picasa Web Albums in the Album application.
Maybe coïncidence, maybe not.
I have disabled all HTC Sense stuff I can see. It always happens when performing some action, like opening a new app. It seems to occur so randomly, it happened again the day after my last post, but has been fine since then.
Problems with calendar after removing cache and program data.
I had major problems with com.htc.bgp using up to about 90% of my processor from time to time. When I searched the forums I found this thread.
I tried what is stated in the top post and went ahead and cleared the calendar data and the gmaill data. This is all fine, I don't seem to get any more warnings about com.htc.bgp reaching the 90% mark. One slight problem that occured though is that now when I'm syncing my calendar back to what it was, it either does not search or does not find all the other calendars that I have. The list is just totally empty. Strange as it is, It does find and sync with the default [email protected] Gmail's working fine and syncing properly though.
Since I rely on the calendar I really need this to be fixed as soon as possible.
I don't want to put words in your mouths, but I figured I might need to factory reset the phone. No biggie, but a time consumer, since I need to recustomize everything again (not rooted, not titanium).
Are there any ways of luring the calendar back on track. Jumpstarting it without a factory reset?
Thanks in advance.
Henrik
So apparently all it needed was a full night of syncing, because now it works again.
It seems though that I got rid of the annoying com.HTC.bgp that drained my processor.
Thanks to the thread
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Have not experienced this since the 2.3.3 upgrade, problem solved!
I'm having this problem on my Defy after installing SetVsel, setting any values, after time the cpu stuck at 100. Watchdog lite didn't show nothing but 100%, not any process higher than 50 even. I turned on in the watchdog to show system processes and ther it showed that:
init
Linux process
Had most the time the highest percent used
I googled and found this topic. The
Menu/settings/applications/development/now turn on Usb debugging.
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solution solved my problem. The proc isn't anymroe stuck at 100%.
Heyo bros so I'm experiencing what I'm afraid might be a problem:
I've been getting watchdog alerts regarding the "Base System" process. It notifies me that the CPU % at the time of the captures range from 40% to 60+%. Coincidence or not, it usually happens when I wake my phone from sleep- not when I unlock it, just when I press the power button. The moment the lock screen pops up, the phone's already vibrating and the watchdog notification is up in the status bar.
Battery life so far is:
9h 22m @ 74%; Phone Idle- 56% | Cell Standby- 22% | Display 17% (40m) | Android OS 3% | Voice calls- 3%
Who knows, maybe this^ looks normal. I just want to be sure.
I've heard talk of 'wakelocks' but I don't know exactly what they are, what might cause them, and how I can track them.
I'm currently running:
Atrix 4G (not 2, just for clarification)
CM7 xB^xN
Baseband reads: N_01.77.30P
Kernel version reads: 2.6.32.39-MB860-GB-Faux123-v0.2.1 [email protected] #14
Build number: GWK74
Totally honest, I don't know if that might be able to help diagnose the problem, but for what it's worth, I want to check two things:
1) I flashed Faux's enhanced stock CM7 kernel, and am pretty sure it took, but does that look to be the proper kernel version? I just want to be sure.
2) While I also flashed the "latest radio" in the CM7 xB^xN thread, I was certain there was an xx.97 radio (vs the x.77 radio that mine appears to currently have). Am I indeed on the latest radio version?
Would it hurt to reflash these two? Could either one, or maybe both, be the cause of this?
It also occurs to me: I've been using SetCPU and have ONE profile set up that forces my CPU to min/max 216/216 when the screen is off. Could that be causing it?
Thanks so much for any and all insight bros. Also, please let me know if there's any more info you might want to help diagnose what the dealio is.
Heyo guys,
I hate to bump this kinda soon, but this is definitely a problem.
It's getting to be that I don't even have to wake the phone up for the Base System to spike. I was woken up a couple times in the middle of the night by notifications saying it was really high.
You guys have any thoughts? I'd really like to get this resolved as CM7 is AWESOME.
Yes, you guessed it- I'm not anal about the fingerprint scanner or webtop. Just a stable and fully functional release.
Thanks for any help bros I really appreciate it.
Hi, new member here.
I get the same weird spike to 50-60% (and was woken up too in the middle of the night by watchdog). I have narrowed this occurrence to when I have both Watchdog & Juice Defender enabled at the same time. (Yeah it took me a while to figure out)
When I disable Juice defender the problem seems to go away. So I'm thinking one of the power saving settings turns the radio off & a core system process really does not like that.
This is on a non-rooted Atrix, I have not tested on a rooted Atrix.
So far I had to turn off the watchdog alarm so I can sleep. If anyone can think of a solution it would be appreciated!
AX-MA said:
Hi, new member here.
I get the same weird spike to 50-60% (and was woken up too in the middle of the night by watchdog). I have narrowed this occurrence to when I have both Watchdog & Juice Defender enabled at the same time. (Yeah it took me a while to figure out)
When I disable Juice defender the problem seems to go away. So I'm thinking one of the power saving settings turns the radio off & a core system process really does not like that.
This is on a non-rooted Atrix, I have not tested on a rooted Atrix.
So far I had to turn off the watchdog alarm so I can sleep. If anyone can think of a solution it would be appreciated!
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Thanks for the insight bro. For what it's worth, I'm not running Juice defender, or any other kind of battery saver app.
Looks like a couple of us are having problems then, though. We'd both really appreciate any info, advice, or help.
Ok, it seems it was just a coincidence with Juice Defender then.
The problem may be unrelated to power savings, but it is indeed a problem.
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For what it's worth, I'm not running Juice defender, or any other kind of battery saver app.
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Ok, it seems it was just a coincidence with Juice Defender then.
The problem may be unrelated to power savings, but it is indeed a problem.
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It doesn't have to be unrelated to power saving just because xyrovice is not running Juice Defender, there is a option for power saving in the battery settings for the Atrix that does a similar function.. Before ruling out power savings as unrelated I would make sure xyrovice is set to "performance mode".
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It doesn't have to be unrelated to power saving just because xyrovice is not running Juice Defender, there is a option for power saving in the battery settings for the Atrix that does a similar function.. Before ruling out power savings as unrelated I would make sure xyrovice is set to "performance mode".
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I'm running CM7 and skimmed through the settings menu and didn't find anything about 0ower features. I know that in Blue ROMs there's the battery manager section, but I don't think CM7 has this. Anything else I should look at, though?
Thanks for the insight too bro.
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I'm running CM7 and skimmed through the settings menu and didn't find anything about 0ower features. I know that in Blue ROMs there's the battery manager section, but I don't think CM7 has this. Anything else I should look at, though?
Thanks for the insight too bro.
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oIc, no I dont guess you will have those settings in CM, I should have thought of that. I wish I could help because I had the exact same prob with Watchdog constantly alerting for "Android Core Processes" and "Android Media processes", but I dont get those alerts anymore. I haven't changed ROMs or anything.. The only thing I can think of is I changed the MinFree values, I used the app "AutoKiller Memory Optimizer" to change them.
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oIc, no I dont guess you will have those settings in CM, I should have thought of that. I wish I could help because I had the exact same prob with Watchdog constantly alerting for "Android Core Processes" and "Android Media processes", but I dont get those alerts anymore. I haven't changed ROMs or anything.. The only thing I can think of is I changed the MinFree values, I used the app "AutoKiller Memory Optimizer" to change them.
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Do you know why that seemed to solve the problem...or if it even WAS the problem, per se?
Also, is there any reason CM7 would have the minfree set to a default that causes this?
Lastly, what did you alter the minfree values to? You think ROM toolbox might have this capability?
Thanks so much for saying this bro. Who knows, this might be the problem.
PS: I just tried this and am going to see if it works. Post #13 is the one that would really sum up my reaction of successful.
Hopefully maybe this helps my other bros.
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1Do you know why that seemed to solve the problem...or if it even WAS the problem, per se?
2Also, is there any reason CM7 would have the minfree set to a default that causes this?
3Lastly, what did you alter the minfree values to? You think ROM toolbox might have this capability?
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1.) no I can't say for sure what the problem was or why I no longer get the Watchdog alerts. I was just trying to think what I have changed since they stopped because I haven't changed ROMs.. Since changing the MinFree has to do with how many or what apps are left running I'm just kinda throwing it out there as a possibility since your at a loss for things to try.
2.) no I can't think of any reason, and most with CM don't have this prob right..?
3.) It's posible it does have the capability because it does allot but I am not sure.
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possible solutionary steps I've taken:
So Update:
I actually ended up checking out my (partial) Wakelocks with betterbatterystats, and I think I may have found a problem (diagnosed with alarmdump.txt from the Alarm Manager):
1) When I first flashed CM7 I thought, "Oh well why not really get comprehensive about keeping apps up to date" and I actually, for every single app, checked the "Automatically update" box in each one's market page. This led to a CATACLYSMIC wakelock that I'm now pretty sure could be the problem.
2)Google talk also seemed to be a little active with the screen off so I unticked the "sign me in auto..." box and made sure I signed out.
Lastly (not related to wakelocks), I checked on my TTS settings (see my last post about that).
Oh also LASTLY lastly I froze the modem fastdormancy manager in TiBU (kinda just for ****s and giggles). That said though, is the consensus on this that it's pretty harmless?
So, other bro who was having a problem, check and see if this might help you at all AYY
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1.) no I can't say for sure what the problem was or why I no longer get the Watchdog alerts. I was just trying to think what I have changed since they stopped because I haven't changed ROMs.. Since changing the MinFree has to do with how many or what apps are left running I'm just kinda throwing it out there as a possibility since your at a loss for things to try.
2.) no I can't think of any reason, and most with CM don't have this prob right..?
3.) It's posible it does have the capability because it does allot but I am not sure.
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Thanks for posting this. I checked ROM toolbox and it does indeed have the capability. That said, if my aforementioned possible solutions don't work, I'm turning here. Thanks for the info bro.
Watchdog is flagging the "base process" app because IT IS using over 60% of your CPU BUT it is using 60% of your CPU that is running at 216MHZ.
It's your screen off setcpu profile of 216/216, if you bump up the max to 456 the alert will go away. When you have it set as 216/216 Watchdog (I believe) thinks that is the actual max cpu speed and bases its percentages off of that. I got that warning before and after a bit of troubleshooting (actually tried several different things) found that was the problem.
I am not sure but if you "whitelist" a app in watchdog it might ignore it as well. However my alert level was set at 80% and it would still set it off, so I think the higher speed might just be better.
Good day to you all,
Recently after a small android update (still having version 4.4.2) I noticed the battery was draining faster than I'm used to. Before that, it was consuming roughly 1% per hour in idle. This has changed now to 3-5% per hour. Looking at the battery info I noticed the Android system was the biggest batterysucker here. Not only that, there are even TWO Android systems shown and I began to think there's something wrong here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2908920&stc=1&d=1408796626
Also looking at the wakelocks shows that my phone is barely able to get into sleepmode.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2908921&stc=1&d=1408796626
Before posting this thread I have literally tried every option to see if it could lessen the battery consumption:
- Disabled Google location reporting services
- Disabled GPS
- Disabled Google sync
- Disable Wifi when in Sleep mode
- I don't use Google Now so it's disabled
- Widen the Facebook refresh intervals to 4 hours
- Wiped the cache partition
None of the above worked and I started to think that the second Android system here might be the cause.
Should there be a second Android system consuming battery? What could be the problem here??
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Good day to you all,
Recently after a small android update (still having version 4.4.2) I noticed the battery was draining faster than I'm used to. Before that, it was consuming roughly 1% per hour in idle. This has changed now to 3-5% per hour. Looking at the battery info I noticed the Android system was the biggest batterysucker here. Not only that, there are even TWO Android systems shown and I began to think there's something wrong here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2908920&stc=1&d=1408796626
Also looking at the wakelocks shows that my phone is barely able to get into sleepmode.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2908921&stc=1&d=1408796626
Before posting this thread I have literally tried every option to see if it could lessen the battery consumption:
- Disabled Google location reporting services
- Disabled GPS
- Disabled Google sync
- Disable Wifi when in Sleep mode
- I don't use Google Now so it's disabled
- Widen the Facebook refresh intervals to 4 hours
- Wiped the cache partition
None of the above worked and I started to think that the second Android system here might be the cause.
Should there be a second Android system consuming battery? What could be the problem here??
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Hi ,
is hard to tell with what you show here...get an app like Better Battery Stats
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179809
Let it run for 3-4 hours and check it , the app will tell tell you what is going on....is the only way to find the real culprit
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Hi ,
is hard to tell with what you show here...get an app like Better Battery Stats
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179809
Let it run for 3-4 hours and check it , the app will tell tell you what is going on....is the only way to find the real culprit
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Will this app also show the needed info even when my phone isn't rooted? Because I'm really not into rooting it.
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Will this app also show the needed info even when my phone isn't rooted? Because I'm really not into rooting it.
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Hi mate
This is from the thread :
Q:Why installing BBS as a system app as everything works with root?
A: Starting with Kikat BBS has 3 modes: without root a limited mode provides a minimal set of stats. With root the set of stats is complete but some stats (other, partial wakelocks, processes) still use a workaround. Finally with the system app BBS is fully featured without any workaround.
For this cases root is good to have as it gives you a better access to all the process running , try without root and see what kind of info you get
If it's a conciliation, my android (currently on AOSP) is also running two android systems. Not exactly the same name (Android-System and Android-Besturingssysteem), but you get the idea. You mentioned quite a few things you've already tried, but what about existing widgets and or android apps you've installed? Usually (for me anyway) battery drain is an installed app not exactly behaving nicely.
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Hi mate
This is from the thread :
Q:Why installing BBS as a system app as everything works with root?
A: Starting with Kikat BBS has 3 modes: without root a limited mode provides a minimal set of stats. With root the set of stats is complete but some stats (other, partial wakelocks, processes) still use a workaround. Finally with the system app BBS is fully featured without any workaround.
For this cases root is good to have as it gives you a better access to all the process running , try without root and see what kind of info you get
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So does this mean I'm not able to see the exact cause of my wakelocks since my phone isn't rooted?? I have installed Gsam Battery monitor from Google Play, hopefully it will give me (and you guys) the relevant information after keeping my phone on idle for a while.
@Skyrider: The weird thing is that in my case, it DOES display the same name twice. Doesn't that seem weird? I can't see any Android OS (besturingssysteem) displayed.
Also, if I have a battery heavy app, shouldn't it be displayed in the battery info screen as well? I only have the Weather widget and a News widget (NU.nl) on my homescreens. Haven't installed many apps except for Facebook and a few games that barely use background processes.
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So does this mean I'm not able to see the exact cause of my wakelocks since my phone isn't rooted?? I have installed Gsam Battery monitor from Google Play, hopefully it will give me (and you guys) the relevant information after keeping my phone on idle for a while.
@Skyrider: The weird thing is that in my case, it DOES display the same name twice. Doesn't that seem weird? I can't see any Android OS (besturingssysteem) displayed.
Also, if I have a battery heavy app, shouldn't it be displayed in the battery info screen as well? I only have the Weather widget and a News widget (NU.nl) on my homescreens. Haven't installed many apps except for Facebook and a few games that barely use background processes.
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Let us know what you find ....good luck
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The weird thing is that in my case, it DOES display the same name twice. Doesn't that seem weird? I can't see any Android OS (besturingssysteem) displayed.
Also, if I have a battery heavy app, shouldn't it be displayed in the battery info screen as well? I only have the Weather widget and a News widget (NU.nl) on my homescreens. Haven't installed many apps except for Facebook and a few games that barely use background processes.
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In my opinion, that's the problem with the default battery information. In my years of experience, it usually never knows the information that you need what exactly is braining the battery. If your battery is still being drained, I suggest to remove most of your apps. Only for a day orso. It should be enough to gather the information to know that at least one of your apps was the cause of it.
It's a pain to do it. But It always has helped me rather than relying on apps of which usually doesn't work out for me.
Also. Might be a good idea to alter your system language from Dutch to English and check the battery info again to search for the duplicate running system on google. You'd expect "Android System" being enough, but who knows that a different language might show a different name.
Ok, I don't have the slightest idea what happened but my battery duration is amazing now. After installing Gsam Battery Monitor and charging my phone to 100% I went to sleep and after 10 hours of standby I looked at my phone and it was on 93%. My phone doesn't consume more than 0,6-1,0% per hour now in the last 3 days!!
I haven't changed anything except choosing to use Wifi and mobile network for location services but not GPS. Weird thing is that I tried that option before without success.
I'm happy now
I'm still confused about the 2 Android systems in my battery info screen though. That might be a good idea to try @Skyrider but I do remember that "Android OS" was displayed differently in Dutch a while back. I'm guessing you have your phone language in Dutch as well since you're seeing "Android Besturingssysteem" on the battery info screen?
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Ok, I don't have the slightest idea what happened but my battery duration is amazing now. After installing Gsam Battery Monitor and charging my phone to 100% I went to sleep and after 10 hours of standby I looked at my phone and it was on 93%. My phone doesn't consume more than 0,6-1,0% per hour in the last 3 days!!
I haven't changed anything except choosing to use Wifi and mobile network for location services but not GPS. Weird thing is that I did try that option before without success.
I'm happy now
I'm still confused about the 2 Android systems in my battery info screen though. That might be a good idea to try @Skyrider but I do remember that "Android OS" was displayed differently in Dutch a while back. I guess you're having your phone language in Dutch as well since you're seeing "Android Besturingssysteem" on the battery info screen?
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Kudos for the battery mate.
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I'm still confused about the 2 Android systems in my battery info screen though. That might be a good idea to try @Skyrider but I do remember that "Android OS" was displayed differently in Dutch a while back. I'm guessing you have your phone language in Dutch as well since you're seeing "Android Besturingssysteem" on the battery info screen?
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Yea, I'm using the Dutch language. But I'm not using the stock ROM of the phone, so hence I am seeing different systems running in the background. But I'm glad the battery is semi-fixed.
Ok, so I changed my phone to English and behold, one of the "Android Systems" indeed changed to "Android OS"
I could have sworn it was like that when my phone was in Dutch.
Perhaps someone with the stock ROM in Dutch could check that out?
No idea if this helps but i thought might as well contribute what it sais on my phone
Edit : i have a very high idle battery drain so any advice is welcome btw
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No idea if this helps but i thought might as well contribute what it sais on my phone
Edit : i have a very high idle battery drain so any advice is welcome btw
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Thanks a lot for confirming this! I guess Android OS is indeed translated to "System" for Dutch S4's.
Have you tried my suggestions in the opening post?
Hi,
I'm an owner of a samsung galaxy s5. never had trouble with battery so far. I could use it like on and a half day with some gaming music and internet. Now since 2 days My phone drowns the battery crazy during night. You can also see below in the images. when splitting the chart in half left side is during day, right side is during night. You can clearly see the power consumption is A LOT more during night. I don't know exactly why.
Just before 2 days ago I did these things:
I installed Angry birds. You see during day usage two steep battery usage drops. those are from playing angry birds.
I configured flipboard with my account and started using it for the 1st time.
I downloaded a new TTS voice pack for for google TTS engine for the google now I use now instead of the S Voice I hate.
for the rest there are a few apps that updated such as:
Antutu benchmark and speedtest, perhaps accuweather, can't remember for sure though these might be wrong.
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This is a huge problem since I woke up yesterday to an empty battery.
I hope you guys know what could be causing this.
Thanks in advance.
Sometime just reboot the phone may help to fix the issue.
Good call, thanks
Edit: Though yesterday the battery was completely drained and the phone closed. So technically it was restarted back then. Yet the problem occurred this night again.
i am having the same proble
android OS And Gpds are using all my battery even after a fresh reinstall i dont know what to do
Okay, this night I didn't have the problem anymore (after ai had the same problem 2 consecutive nights).
All I did was disabling and uninstalling all the apps I don't use (if it was possible of course, some apps such as the ELM Agent cannot be uninstalled).
So the programs I disabled are:
Flibboard
S Health
S Planner
S Voice
Smart Remote
For the most samsung services he phone offers I always hav ebeen using the google variant if possible
Programs I uninstalled:
Free App a Day (program giving that names a program every day that became free)
Diablo 3 dashboard (shows the statistics of my diablo 3 characters. This Always seemed to be running in the background, but I actually have no use to it so deleted it)
For the rest cannot remember for sure. But yeah problems seems to be solved for now, and I hope it won't happen again.
And it happened again for some reason.
As you can see in the screenshots.
About the game "unpossible" I forgot it on right before I was going to sleep and noticed it was running right before sleeping so I did close it. At the beginning of the graph, you can see a small dip, that is because of that game.
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Also in the morning I noticed the ram was being used up 1.55GB of the 2GB. I restarted my phone and it was somewhere in the 900MB this time.
This is getting frustrating. I need to find the cause of this.
Thanks in advance.
Hi Genkli,
maybe Kaspersky is doing a full scan from time to time, when the phone is not used?
It will probably try that until the full scan is done.
Good luck,
Matt
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Hi Genkli,
maybe Kaspersky is doing a full scan from time to time, when the phone is not used?
It will probably try that until the full scan is done.
Good luck,
Matt
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Thanks for the reply. Though I would doubt that, since kaspersky only has one scan function which takes only a minute or two I mean A phone doesn't have much data on it compared to a computer.
Also if kaspersky was the cause why doesn't it show up on the battery statistics as the main power consumer?
But it could still be true as you said, will look into it. Thanks.
EDIT: Checked the app, it does have a scheduled scan option which is disabled by default.
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Thanks for the reply. Though I would doubt that, since kaspersky only has one scan function which takes only a minute or two I mean A phone doesn't have much data on it compared to a computer.
Also if kaspersky was the cause why doesn't it show up on the battery statistics as the main power consumer?
But it could still be true as you said, will look into it. Thanks.
EDIT: Checked the app, it does have a scheduled scan option which is disabled by default.
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Did you try uninstalling angry birds for a day or 2 to see if the use returns to normal?
Otherwise, I'd do that with each of the apps that you've added recently until you find the evil one...