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Well, it's been 3 weeks since I bricked my phone. Mine was 1 of those that had no recovery mode so I had to send it in to get repaired. As I live abroad, the turn around time was a very LONG 3 weeks. Anyway, browsing the development section I see a lot of the devs have gone into over drive. There are SO MANY Rom's to choose from that frankly, I'm a bit overwhelmed at which to choose.
Bionix Final
Bionix Fusion 1.1
Froyo JPA Macnut
Froyo JPO Axura
AOSPish 1.4
MasterRom Final
Then there are all the kernels as well as the zmod4 mod. I mean wtf! lol!!
I was running Bionix 1.7 with Voodoo and it was unbelievably smooth and fast. Now I just don't even know where to start.
In your opinions , what combo would be the fastest, most stable, smoothest and closest one of all of those to Bionix 1.7 OC w/voodoo?
Wow, this is such a loaded question since the answer is always going to be one of opinion. But, since I have one of those, I'll throw in my $0.02 worth.
My phone was also bricked by the OTA. However, I was able to use ODIN to flash back to stock. Knowing I could do this gave me the confidence to try the Bionix 1.x versions (pre Final). When Fusion came out, I went to it and am very happy that I did. In my opinion, it is what Samsung should have release in the first place. (Samsung should really consider engaging this team - or other developers who are spending a lot of time tweaking the ROMs - as consultants on their future releases). So, to answer your question:
* They (both flavors of Bionix) are very stable
* Doesn't require a lag fix.
So, I'm pretty happy. The main difference (as I understand it) between Bionix Final and Fusion is whether you have all of the Samsung stuff included. Fusion doesn't include Touchwiz. I'm a Launcher Pro person, so Fusion is a better choice for me.
Now, regarding the Froyo builds. Depends on what you want to do with your phone. I view those builds as "bleeding edge." So, I want them to be around a little longer before I go that route. But that's just me.
Good luck.
It all depends on your personal preference.
If you are afraid to brick your new replacement and wait another 3 weeks I'd suggest going with Bionix Final stock kernel option, if you feel adventurous go with Bionix Fusion with non-stock kernel. I would, personally, wait for a stable Froyo ROM, current ROM's lack GPS drivers due to unavailability of the source from Samsung, but as soon as an official leak shows up or OTA roll out, I am pretty sure there will be a stable Froyo builds to choose from.
In my opinion, you cannot go wrong with Fusion JAC kernel, it smooths the phone to a degree I don't even see what stock OTA Froyo could bring to the table except Adobe Flash support. My understanding in the delays associated with Froyo release is the JIT (just in time compiler) hasn't been optimized for Hummingbird CPU, and Samsung is working on the optimization.
I recommend Bionix Fusion 1.1 with Project Core kernal 1Ghz. Its very stable, very fast and smooth and good battery life. There is also a Project Core 1.2 Ghz kernel but that one ran my cpu kinda hot with continuous use and I flashed down to the 1Ghz kernel. Not to mention Team Whiskey has put a lot of effort into making this rom as usable as possible. Far as that goes, every rom development team on here has lol. Thats my recommendation though.
That's not even a reasonable list of options. All froyo ROMS are not stable. And for anyone who thinks these froyo ROMs are sUpEr cOoL aWeSoMe, stable means everything works, and everything does not work currently on any froyo ROMs. So first thing you'd have to decide is if you want a ROM with all the features, personally, I don't get why people settle for Froyo minus the GPS. JIT isn't even functioning, so what are you really getting out of froyo at the time being? Just to say you have it? There really aren't any life changing factors comparing froyo vibrant roms to bionix 1.1.
I myself have a new vibrant, and am running a rooted JI6 OTA, just rooted for adfree and tether mainly, along with the OCLF just for ****s n giggles. The OCLF really only seems to speed up certain small things, like cache cleaning/app uninstalls/etc. Ive ran every 2.1 ROM on a vibrant and there's really no significant changes in speed, same linpack, same quadrant (even though it means nothing). My suggestion is bionix 1.1 if you really wanna try something new, but it won't change your life, just satisfy your need for change.
Bionix Fusion 1.1 w/ project core v1 @ 1.2 if your phone can handle it. I have flashed just about every rom that has been released including the froyo roms and to me, this is by far the best rom / kernel combo.
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That's not even a reasonable list of options. All froyo ROMS are not stable. And for anyone who thinks these froyo ROMs are sUpEr cOoL aWeSoMe, stable means everything works, and everything does not work currently on any froyo ROMs. So first thing you'd have to decide is if you want a ROM with all the features, personally, I don't get why people settle for Froyo minus the GPS. JIT isn't even functioning, so what are you really getting out of froyo at the time being? Just to say you have it? There really aren't any life changing factors comparing froyo vibrant roms to bionix 1.1.
I myself have a new vibrant, and am running a rooted JI6 OTA, just rooted for adfree and tether mainly, along with the OCLF just for ****s n giggles. The OCLF really only seems to speed up certain small things, like cache cleaning/app uninstalls/etc. Ive ran every 2.1 ROM on a vibrant and there's really no significant changes in speed, same linpack, same quadrant (even though it means nothing). My suggestion is bionix 1.1 if you really wanna try something new, but it won't change your life, just satisfy your need for change.
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JIT in the newer Froyo builds is working.. what are you talking about? Everything works with the exception of GPS. The only issue that you may encounter is GPS and battery life complaints (results may vary) and the occasional data drop problem.
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That's not even a reasonable list of options. All froyo ROMS are not stable. And for anyone who thinks these froyo ROMs are sUpEr cOoL aWeSoMe, stable means everything works, and everything does not work currently on any froyo ROMs. So first thing you'd have to decide is if you want a ROM with all the features, personally, I don't get why people settle for Froyo minus the GPS. JIT isn't even functioning, so what are you really getting out of froyo at the time being? Just to say you have it? There really aren't any life changing factors comparing froyo vibrant roms to bionix 1.1.
I myself have a new vibrant, and am running a rooted JI6 OTA, just rooted for adfree and tether mainly, along with the OCLF just for ****s n giggles. The OCLF really only seems to speed up certain small things, like cache cleaning/app uninstalls/etc. Ive ran every 2.1 ROM on a vibrant and there's really no significant changes in speed, same linpack, same quadrant (even though it means nothing). My suggestion is bionix 1.1 if you really wanna try something new, but it won't change your life, just satisfy your need for change.
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Acutally flash one of those ROM's before saying things don't work or they aren't stable..
They are stable, JIT DOES work, etc.
I've had great performance with Bionix Fusion using the Core v1 kernal (over clocked to 1.2). I threw the OCLF on top of it, but everything already ran great without it.
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Acutally flash one of those ROM's before saying things don't work or they aren't stable..
They are stable, JIT DOES work, etc.
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Things aren't wrong with stable ROMs. It's a port. A port is a port. Fact is when official froyo made for our MODEL of galaxy s, these froyo sources will be dropped. The 2.1 roms for us are built on a stable base built for our phones. They're just facts. Not discrediting any work done. If my friend asked a recommendation, I certainly wouldn't recommend an experimental ROM with dysfunctional features, and that's what this thread is about.
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JIT in the newer Froyo builds is working.. what are you talking about? Everything works with the exception of GPS. The only issue that you may encounter is GPS and battery life complaints (results may vary) and the occasional data drop problem.
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Not efficiently. And yeah so your advice is a ROM with no GPS and data difficulties on a more than capable device? Dude, what are YOU talking about?
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I've been running bionix fusion with project core v1 @1.2 and it's pretty good, however I had a random reboot so I might go down to the 1ghz, we'll see.
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Things aren't wrong with stable ROMs. It's a port. A port is a port. Fact is when official froyo made for our MODEL of galaxy s, these froyo sources will be dropped. The 2.1 roms for us are built on a stable base built for our phones. They're just facts. Not discrediting any work done. If my friend asked a recommendation, I certainly wouldn't recommend an experimental ROM with dysfunctional features, and that's what this thread is about.
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I have to agree/disagree with you. Even though 2.2 ROMs are ports, they are still very very good. And if you can live w/o the GPS.. Well, go with one of them
If you can't live w/o a GPS, then go with Master Rom or Bionix Fusion
Fusion with the Core kernel is awesome for me. 1.2GHz without increased voltage is nice. This is my first android device and I really like Launcher Pro.
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joe.kerwin said:
That's not even a reasonable list of options. All froyo ROMS are not stable. And for anyone who thinks these froyo ROMs are sUpEr cOoL aWeSoMe, stable means everything works, and everything does not work currently on any froyo ROMs.
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You seem to have a very different definition of the word "stable" compared to most people. IMO, "stable" means not rebooting or force closing randomly. What you describe is "not fully featured."
I myself have a new vibrant, and am running a rooted JI6 OTA, just rooted for adfree and tether mainly, along with the OCLF just for ****s n giggles. The OCLF really only seems to speed up certain small things, like cache cleaning/app uninstalls/etc. Ive ran every 2.1 ROM on a vibrant and there's really no significant changes in speed, same linpack, same quadrant (even though it means nothing).
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Nutty. Fusion 1.1 w/ Core1zMod? Way faster than JI6 stock. Try placing a widget or calling up any app.
Kubernetes said:
You seem to have a very different definition of the word "stable" compared to most people. IMO, "stable" means not rebooting or force closing randomly. What you describe is "not fully featured."
Nutty. Fusion 1.1 w/ Core1zMod? Way faster than JI6 stock. Try placing a widget or calling up any app.
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I've used it, it's pointless to argue. We're talking about milliseconds here. If you reopen and close a random app 10x. Each of our setups would hesitate on a few of them. I'm satisfied with speed on this thing. I'm more focused on new features. And your opinion is wrong, the gps and apparently data is not stable at all or at all times. Gps would be a component of the rom, which in turn makes the rom experimental. Its just made well enough to use daily.
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Gentlemen, thanks for all of the replies. It's very much appreciated.
I am going to switch between a Froyo version and Bionix Fusion. I have absolutely no use for GPS where I'm located, never even used it once. So I'm going to give Froyo a try to see what it's like. Then in all honesty, unless it's unbelievable... I see myself going to Bionix Fusion as it's the most recommended here.
No matter which I eventually end up with, I think I'll be keeping it at 1Ghz. No OC for me until I run some serious tests. My OCing experience with computers tells me that OCing a unit without any additional cooling and having it sealed in a casing that must be close to as warm as hell, is a seriously bad idea. Even without extra juice, I can only see more harm coming from that than any actual real world benefits. But I'll know for sure after I see what the temp variations are like. (Anyone care to share their experience with that?)
Again, thank you all for the suggestions.
Why is there no love for AOSPish 1.4? Lol I really love that rom with JACS oc/uv kernel. Its an awesome rom if u want to go for a more stock android look. Either way u cant really go wrong with any of these roms. Developers are bustin their butts to constantly improve them. I think u should just try a few out and see what works best for u! Good luck
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Hmmmmmmm Roms
Like most of the people who already posted I think people are getting way myopic about what is better yadida..........
My experience has been the one thing that never really gets resolved 100% is the GPS, and that is not that important to me
The Froyo's
The Axura's
The Bionix's
Eugenes Roms
Master's roms
All of the above are fantastic in their own right. The Better question is "what do i really need and want" then look at the roms and "back engineer" you needs and wants to the rom that most matches that criteria. What i see is this over active need to have the fastest most newest rom.... ok.......... so, that is like having a Massaretti in commuter traffic... you cannot utilize the power.... so look to your needs and wants and find a balanced rom thatfits that
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Like most of the people who already posted I think people are getting way myopic about what is better yadida..........
My experience has been the one thing that never really gets resolved 100% is the GPS, and that is not that important to me
The Froyo's
The Axura's
The Bionix's
Eugenes Roms
Master's roms
All of the above are fantastic in their own right. The Better question is "what do i really need and want" then look at the roms and "back engineer" you needs and wants to the rom that most matches that criteria. What i see is this over active need to have the fastest most newest rom.... ok.......... so, that is like having a Massaretti in commuter traffic... you cannot utilize the power.... so look to your needs and wants and find a balanced rom thatfits that
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Very well said and great analogy. Don't forget there are tons of people who want a Ferrari or Lambo just for the wow factor while in traffic. Most custom roms give you that wow compared to stock.
So i just found out how easy it is to change the custom rom. right now im on some 2.2 rom.
what is the big difference in 2.2.
also i heard the 2.1 roms have better batterylife and overclocking.
the 2.2 cant and there still buggy right?
so what is your guys opinions?
Everyone is going to have a different opinion. I have tried three of them and I like baked snacks with ultimate kernel. The only thing bad about that one is you will get no support here.
The other popular ones are Syndicate and Epic Experience.
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Everyone is going to have a different opinion. I have tried three of them and I like baked snacks with ultimate kernel. The only thing bad about that one is you will get no support here.
The other popular ones are Syndicate and Epic Experience.
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Agree. It stinks and not sure about how many future updates it will have, but baked snack by far has the best battery life for me too. Unfortunately, my CPU doesnt like the ultimate kernel, but it runs fantastic with step2.
The best rom is easily which ever one is the most customizable. If you are going to use something like LauncherPro then it's all about which notification bar you prefer.
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So i just found out how easy it is to change the custom rom. right now im on some 2.2 rom.
what is the big difference in 2.2.
also i heard the 2.1 roms have better batterylife and overclocking.
the 2.2 cant and there still buggy right?
so what is your guys opinions?
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I started off with Epic Experience, then moved onto Baked Snack (gasp! #noban)..loved the speed of Baked Snack, but hated the theme and didn't want to investigate another.. (I just really love the stock look) and then switched to Syndicate (IMHO the best).
YMMV with Roms, just try a few and see which one is best for you with trial and error.
best combo I've ever used is backed snack 1.6 w/ ultimate. unfortunantely, there isn't much support. I've had to create my own post in the general section to ask a few questions concerning some of the things I've been experiencing.
also, syndicate and xtreme are great but I hvent gotten the best battery life with them.
as for 2.2 froyo, I'm just going to wait until I recieve the ota and then test out the custom builds.
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I use Syndicate/Extreme. I've improved my battery life to something similar to baked snack by using a combination of setcpu (conservative scaling) and advanced task killer (auto kill on screen off). I unplug around 7 in the morning, and after a day of moderate usage I'm still at around 30-40% by the time I plug it in at ~10 pm. Good enough for me!
Oh, and I've tried the Froyo leaks, not stable enough for me...
hi, i was wondering if anyone is still running DI18 ROMs and custom kernals? is there any advantage to this, since DI18 is 'official' code, and all we have for Froyo is leaked code? or are we better off just running DK28 ROMs? thx
I went back to Di18 from DK28. Surprisingly GPS works 100%, I don't know if they changed something or odin flashed the radio better then stock. The main reason I went back is because games play much better on Eclair. I've been playing a lot of Dungeon Defenders and it plays horribly on DK28, I'm pretty sure since it's a beta leak it's not 100% optimized for the gpu.
I've been running DI18 (ACS) and it's great... but I'm tired of being on 2.1 and actually this weekend I'm planning on checking out an EXT4 Midnight ROM with a Gingerbread theme... If that turns out to be good I'll probably be on that until ACS rolls out a 2.2 ROM
cool, thanks for the replies. anyone have any favorite DI18 ROM/custom kernal combinations?
i've been running Viper's ext4 ROM and i love it.... but i'm curious about custom kernals and such.
The version of ACS that I'm running comes with the ACS Xtreme kernel. It's pretty fast (I'm actually not running the most updated one) and allows the 1.2ghz overclock step which you just flat out can't do with 2.2 until source is released
When I was running 2.1 I had the best experience with Syndicate or Epic Experience. Great speed and awesome battery life. I just moved back to 2.2 on the Truly Epic with EXT4 and its probably the best I've run so far
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thanks guys, just curious about maybe playing around with undervolting/overclocking. i might try syndicate or epic experience.
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thanks guys, just curious about maybe playing around with undervolting/overclocking. i might try syndicate or epic experience.
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I never gave EE a chance, for no particular reason, I just never had the time.
I heard that EE + Phoenix Kernel was a great combination for battery life but for speed I've heard ACS + Xtreme was the way to go. It definitely is fast and I get slightly better than stock battery life idle, but under really heavy use worse than stock (at 1.2ghz I can't really say I'm surprised)
Who still runs on di18??? Lol just joking. At least there are custom kernels for eclair. I just want my flash and my GPS works so.much better on froyo than eclair.
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I never gave EE a chance, for no particular reason, I just never had the time.
I heard that EE + Phoenix Kernel was a great combination for battery life but for speed I've heard ACS + Xtreme was the way to go. It definitely is fast and I get slightly better than stock battery life idle, but under really heavy use worse than stock (at 1.2ghz I can't really say I'm surprised)
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hey thanks, that was what I was looking for... would hit the thanks button, but I'm on the phone now
so I might try those 2 setups, just for fun.
Big + for flash! That's like 90% of the reason I'm on 2.2 now. Such a shame I could watch live bball & fball on my old WM6 HTC Touch but couldn't on my Epic. I just couldn't deal with that reality any longer lol
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Who still runs on di18??? Lol just joking. At least there are custom kernels for eclair. I just want my flash and my GPS works so.much better on froyo than eclair.
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I used Phoenix & Viper Eclair rom (Forgot which one)
I'm on stock DI18 rom with Phoenix kernel, only because it is the only rom I'm able to use MobileAP app. But I deleted all LWP, and all of the bloatware. Battery life is good, calibrated and all. I am using JD, setcpu at min/200-max800. Gps works, as well as my games run way better. Staying here til we get our own source code for froyo....not holding my breath lolz!
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This is the second time I flash my Vibrant with a ROM from TW's I used nero v3 for about 3 days before I killed my phone trying to flash the JL5 file. Since I'm a noob on this I started reading users comments and rules on flashing. So I went on the hunt for a good stable ROM for my phone since the stock 2.1 is kind of crappy and laggy. After two days. Searching on XDA I came across another Team Wiskey ROM from the bionix series (Bionix v 1.3.1). This ROM is way more stable than Nero, everything works great, no problems with connection or apps, and even though im not using Voodoo the benchmarks are really good at 1400. I still have a lot to learn in flashing and modifications for this kind of phones I'm just glad that this forum is well equipped with information.
Some pics of how the phone looks after I get the necessary permission to post them
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suggestion, try not to include your personal life into this.
You need more info than just its stable and high quadrant scores.
This wouldn't be considered more than a peronsal experience.
Hope you make a better more organized one.
Also try doing it on newer roms
Bionix v is pretty old.
Thanks for the advice man. Will try the new ones once I get more info and practice
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No problem, give things like... Battery life (make sure you say if your using it light, moderate, or heavy) how the theme looks, how fast it is, any FC's or any problems at all you experienced, and i wouldn't rely on Quadrant.
Most importantly, at the top of every review put "THIS IS A PERSONAL EXPERIENCED-ROM AND EXPERIENCES WILL DIFFER" or something or when you say you got like 60 hours of battery and others get 16 hours... everyone's going to be real pissed at you.
I started a similar thing a month ago, text/video reviews, soon i got hooked into a rom and couldn't move on, so the thread went dead, and i kept the rom, being a reviewer is hard. Everytime a new ROm is out, you must review it, every update etc.
Very good tomorrow I'll post a full review of this rom, I'll PM u to let u know when I post it.
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I have bionix now and had nero v3....battery life on nero was superb...battery life on bionix sux even with ka5 kernal.
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What are the major differences with Nero vs Bionix V? I'm currently running Bionix V (w/ TW) and its awesome minus the battery life. Here are my list of issues:
- Sometimes the wifi antenna doesnt like to turn on from the notification bar. Have to manually go to settings. 4 out of 10 times.
- Sometimes when using wifi, phone call quality is horrible. Rare though but does happen only when i receive calls. RARELY though....
- Launcher Pro appears frozen at boot. Have to open task manager and restart Launcher Pro. Dont think its a the rom though.... Happens everytime.
But an awesome ROM! One question I have for you all...... Any other TW based roms out there that are anywhere close to as smooth as Bionix V worth trying? Thanx!
Im sure we all have this problem at one point or another...
For me I fell in love with [2.3.5 Trigger] rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1156123
Its blazing fast, love the overlay, and its gingerbread goodness... On the other hand I have audio issues with the rom, where it literally blows my ear drums out each time I use my headset... I also get random crazy battery drains.
So I then have to step back and find a new favorite... and to be honest, it been hard.
I am currently on Bionix-v 1.3.1, its clean, stable.. holds battery like no other, but the overlay reeks of my old school official froyo...
*I want better launcher settings... ADW is getting there, but a bit frustrating...
Then I have the issues of stepping back on a stable build, vs the latest and greatest...
How do you find that balance, for you needs?
Any suggestions?
Just gotta keep looking for what you want. For me i have to have q rom thats good on battery,smooth, and gb themed. So i run bionix v 1.3.1 with bali 1.8.8
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Keep a few alternates around, and flash away. For me, I love Project V and Trigger for froyo when I'm feeling that gps and compass are very important... plus themes of course, running on either bali 1.8.8uv or overstock.
When I realize that I can still have acceptable
gps plus a quicker overall experience, then I hop back on SH 3.8 with a 1.42 kernel via cmenard (what I'm currently on). I've tried them all at one point or another, but for me, these are my favorites and work the best for me. Just keep lots of nandroids around and organized!
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Bi-Winning V3 is a really good ROM, its 2.2.1 and the battery is like amazing! GPS is stable and performance is great. It comes with the bullet Kernal, but people say they can even more battery life with the Bali 1.8.8UV Kernal too. But anyway, this ROM is very excellent!!
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I tried a lot of different roms before I landed on Bionix 1.3.1 also. That rom imo had the best battery life, stock kernel or not.
For me when I was looking for a newer rom the first thing I did was look at the ones that were said to have the best battery life at stock and which kernels worked best with it after. Problem with listening to statements like that was not knowing exactly how much use people were putting on the device.
All I needed was a rom that was of course stable, without excessive bugs, and had battery that would last from when I left my house til I got back home at night. Not to say the phone would get charged anytime during the day.