I know the winmo phones can dual boot winmo and android. They boor android from the sdcard.
Im wondering if we can get are phones to dual boot so we can have are working rom ect.... And we can dual boot into the secondary android from the sd card to test are mods
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The short answer is: no.
mysteryemotionz said:
I know the winmo phones can dual boot winmo and android. They boor android from the sdcard.
Im wondering if we can get are phones to dual boot so we can have are working rom ect.... And we can dual boot into the secondary android from the sd card to test are mods
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They can dual boot because Android is an open OS and is free. It would be illegal to put Winmo on our devices without paying for the proper license.
Also, for what possible reason would you even want to do this? To use as a reminder of how primitive Winmo looks and was compared to Android?
muyoso said:
They can dual boot because Android is an open OS and is free. It would be illegal to put Winmo on our devices without paying for the proper license.
Also, for what possible reason would you even want to do this? To use as a reminder of how primitive Winmo looks and was compared to Android?
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I wanna dual boot with 2 separate sets of android for testing purposes
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I think yes, it would be possible. I wouldn't know how, but its been done on android before, and there is an alpha version being worked on already for the Sammy Moment at SDX and Samdroid.
And if this could be achieved it would be a great to help to developers.
I think I would like it just for the purpose of trying out new roms without having to give up my current rom, in case I don't like the new one.
RKight said:
I think I would like it just for the purpose of trying out new roms without having to give up my current rom, in case I don't like the new one.
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if you do a full backup, flash a new ROM, restore data (only) and you don't like the new ROM, you can go back into recovery, restore full backup and voila.. you're back to the ROM you just backed up.
takes 3 minutes to do all this.
no need for dual boot IMO
daddymikey1975 said:
if you do a full backup, flash a new ROM, restore data (only) and you don't like the new ROM, you can go back into recovery, restore full backup and voila.. you're back to the ROM you just backed up.
takes 3 minutes to do all this.
no need for dual boot IMO
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Certain themes with the battery percentage mode will cause boot problems from recovery
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daddymikey1975 said:
if you do a full backup, flash a new ROM, restore data (only) and you don't like the new ROM, you can go back into recovery, restore full backup and voila.. you're back to the ROM you just backed up.
takes 3 minutes to do all this.
no need for dual boot IMO
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I'm aware of that process but if I'm just wanting to tinker with a new rom, I really don't want to go through all that trouble. If I want to try a new Linux distro on my PC, I'm not going to ghost it, install the new distro, then restore the old image later. I'm going to throw the new distro on a second hard drive and dual boot while I decide if I like it. That way, I have a known stable OS, configured the way I want, just a reboot away.
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Certain themes with the battery percentage mode will cause boot problems from recovery
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I have noticed this as well, and a flash with odin plus reinstalling clockworkmod is the only thing that prevents it from corrupting your backups for future use.
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if you do a full backup, flash a new ROM, restore data (only) and you don't like the new ROM, you can go back into recovery, restore full backup and voila.. you're back to the ROM you just backed up.
takes 3 minutes to do all this.
no need for dual boot IMO
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I don't know. That's fine if you just want to try out a ROM one time, and quickly, or if you can do without your main ROM for a long time. I had a windows phone before I switched to Android. Having the "dual boot" was key to my switching to Android. I was able to install Android, set it up the way I wanted to (which took lots of time) and "play" with it whenever I had time, but at other times I needed to be able to switch back to my main phone. I'd switch a couple times a day sometimes (just a single click to go either way). After a couple of weeks of being able to work with Android I knew I'd be happy switching.
You could do something like this with backups and restores, but I honestly think it would get overly cumbersome. You'd have to backup your main ROM and then the second ROM. Every time you changed a setting or moved something around in either ROM you'd have to remember to make a new backup, or the next time you switched into that ROM all of your changes would be reverted back.
In any case, I don't know how possible it is to have dual boot, but I can certainly see a lot of advantages for some people.
HARET is what makes the WinMo android boot possible and is based on work done with soft/hard SPL. No Android equiv to HARET exists yet. However, a lot of work is happening with HBOOT due to the Vision G2 eMMC situation. I wouldn't be too far off if I were to speculate that an android HARET may be in our future.
Go check out this thread from the Eris forums. - Dual boot recovery hack
As I'm not intimately familiar with the inner workings of Clockwork, I don't know how plausible it is on the DX. It could either be really easy to port since we're already bootstrapped, or nearly impossible. That's a problem for a dev much smarter than me to conquer.
I will say that I tried it out on my Eris. The stock class 2 card was unbearably slow, a class 4 was tolerable, and a class 6 (which cost a small fortune) ran as if it was installed internally. Kinda neat, but not terribly practical for daily use.
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I rooted my hero and tried out a few roms but non seem to polished yet so was wanting to finda stock rom while keeping root of course, Id mainly like the stock one with the ability to run apps from sd card.
have you tried fresh 1.0 its pretty close to stock. If you want you can just return to your nandroid that you did after you rooted but before u installed any ROMs and thats basically a rooted Stock ROM
yeah im gonna try that because now I cant do anything, I hope I didnt mess up my phone, no matter the update I apply(and I try wiping to) it just sits at the htc screen.
How do you apply the nandroid backup?
I just basically have the folder with everything in it on desktop
boot into recovery mode and go down to the listing that says Nandroid Restore.
also when you install a new ROM it isnt rare for it to take up to 10 minutes to boot.
yeah i mean id wait 30-even 45 mins, it just sits at the htc screen, and sometimes the lock screen will even appear, i jsut kept getting errors for force close
and id get to a permission screen, itd say like overclock at the top and ask for permission?
any idea what that is and what todo?
Nandroid Restore. I assume you did make a nandroid right after you successfully rooted correct?
yeah its doing the nand. restore now. hopefully all is well. just waiting for it to finish restore.
ive never had a problem rooting, my g1 always worked fine.
ah phew, thankfully I had a backup. and i was thinking, is their honestly any reason to go to a rom atm? I mean for my g1 I used one because it was faster, quicker, more features, and had apps2sd.
but atm for hero atm doesnt look like a top notch one yet?
also can the stock rom with root do apps2sd?
and easiest way?
firstboot scripts can keep your phone at the htc boot animation for 5-10 minutes. I don't know if you waited that long or not but generally I have seen that first boot with a custom rom take a little while to get things setup right.
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yeah i mean id wait 30-even 45 mins, it just sits at the htc screen, and sometimes the lock screen will even appear, i jsut kept getting errors for force close
and id get to a permission screen, itd say like overclock at the top and ask for permission?
any idea what that is and what todo?
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obelisk79 said:
firstboot scripts can keep your phone at the htc boot animation for 5-10 minutes. I don't know if you waited that long or not but generally I have seen that first boot with a custom rom take a little while to get things setup right.
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He already stated he waited way more than 10 mins....
Fresh 1.0 makes your phone quicker, I wasn't going to ROM until a really customized and polished one came along but after trying Fresh, I'd highly recommend it.
I would flash Sense to my nexi if i knew i could switch between Sense and stock 2.1. could this be possible? in a different sort of way this would be a kind of dual boot.. idk, but thinking out loud
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I would flash Sense to my nexi if i knew i could switch between Sense and stock 2.1. could this be possible? in a different sort of way this would be a kind of dual boot.. idk, but thinking out loud
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it's possible.... you just disable HTC Sense and you have the stock Android UI. however, you cannot use the HTC mail, contact, calendar & txt msg widgets.
I have Modaco's ROM and a stock zip saved on my SD card and switch between them constantly. Just dont forget to backup beofre each switch. Takes about 5 minutes to have all everything including apps restored.
i know you can disable it, but unfortunately you're still left with sense colors (highlights mostly)(bright green) and the stock android highlight (bright orange) is gone. i guess im talking about a straight up dual boot between the two.
Have you thought about Nandroid?
You can back up your Sense ROM and your 2.1 ROM, and restore them if you want to use a different one; this is most like dual booting.
I haven't tried it personally, it might not work due to the different partition but it's worth a shot.
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i know you can disable it, but unfortunately you're still left with sense colors (highlights mostly)(bright green) and the stock android highlight (bright orange) is gone. i guess im talking about a straight up dual boot between the two.
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ok... based on your revised question, Nandroid backup/restore might work for you, though, you'll have to test it (as mentioned above). hope it works out for you!
You can use nandroid as kind of a dual boot system. I have 3 nandroid backups, one of modaco's desire rom, one of cyanogen's rom, and the stock rom. Whenever I decide to switch to another I do a nandroid backup of the rom I'm using at that time then wipe and go to my backup of the other roms. Once the rom is loaded I use linda file manager to delete the old backup of the rom I switched from and just keep doing that and they all stay updated. What is really cool is if I download something from the market on one rom, when I switch to another, it automatically downloads that app to the other rom so each one always gets updated with my apps when I boot it up for the first use after flashing.
Not sure what they did on this thing. I thought 2.1 was supposed to IMPROVE performance...and add some BT functionality.
I got no BT improvement. Instead, I got:
1. Random reboots
2. Slow/crashing Navigation
3. Useless voice recognition on Navigation
4. Random phone calls placed when fiddling with BT
5. Slow opening notifications
6. WIFI won't turn on
I could go on and on...
Sprint says I can't go back to 1.5, but I'm sure there's a way to do it.
HELP PLEASE! I'm rooted, if that helps.
Greg
theres noway. your H-Boot has been updated. thats the end of it. 1.5 just wont work anymore.
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troublestylist said:
HELP PLEASE! I'm rooted, if that helps.
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Yes it does. Just find a 1.5 ROM for CDMA hero. However, before most of our devs moved on to the EVO almost all of them stop developing 1.5 and moved to 2.1
I would suggest trying out some 2.1 ROMs and see what you like.
If you are rooted you should have put a recovery on your phone that you can get to by pressing home and turning on your phone. The first thing you will want to do is make a nandroid backup in case you don't like things. Then stick a ROM on your sdcard. Select all the wipe options except for battery and rotate and then flash a new ROM.
Id try wiping and reloading a 2.1 rom. I never had any of those problems when I went to 2.1.
I'm running the latest DamageControl and can honestly say I am not having any of those issues. I say you should try using a different ROM.
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Yes it does. Just find a 1.5 ROM for CDMA hero. However, before most of our devs moved on to the EVO almost all of them stop developing 1.5 and moved to 2.1
I would suggest trying out some 2.1 ROMs and see what you like.
If you are rooted you should have put a recovery on your phone that you can get to by pressing home and turning on your phone. The first thing you will want to do is make a nandroid backup in case you don't like things. Then stick a ROM on your sdcard. Select all the wipe options except for battery and rotate and then flash a new ROM.
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I didn't root until I got 2.1, so I surmise the 1.5 is gone, right?
derekwilkinson said:
I'm running the latest DamageControl and can honestly say I am not having any of those issues. I say you should try using a different ROM.
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RegawMOD was also recommended. Any reason why to pick one or the other?
Thanks for all the help. Sad that unpaid and unsupported independent developers can do this job better than HTC.
In a best case world, I'd be able to get ad hoc networking to work. I followed the directions but didn't have any success. My ultimate goal was to enable my Hero to display photos wirelessly from my computer. Many programs do it the other way around.
Originally I thought BT would be the easiest wireless protocol, but it seems pretty weak for that sort of data transfer. So 802.11 seemed a better solution...but for some reason Android folks decided to cripple the OS from recognizing ad hoc networks. Odd.
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I didn't root until I got 2.1, so I surmise the 1.5 is gone, right?
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You can still flash 1.5 ROMs. You just can't flash the 1.5 RUU.
Great...
Tried Damagecontrol 2.09, did a clean wiped install, and everything seemed fine. Didn't seem much faster, but whatever.
Too bad I waited until I was at work to reboot. Now it's in a bootloop, and I'm stuck at work with no phone.
Sprint sent me a new phone. Once I confirm it's got 1.5, they can have this 2.1-infected POS back.
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Tried Damagecontrol 2.09, did a clean wiped install, and everything seemed fine. Didn't seem much faster, but whatever.
Too bad I waited until I was at work to reboot. Now it's in a bootloop, and I'm stuck at work with no phone.
Sprint sent me a new phone. Once I confirm it's got 1.5, they can have this 2.1-infected POS back.
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Look... there's a good chance your new Hero WILL have 2.1 on it. If it does, just root it and install a custom 1.5 rom.
troublestylist said:
Tried Damagecontrol 2.09, did a clean wiped install, and everything seemed fine. Didn't seem much faster, but whatever.
Too bad I waited until I was at work to reboot. Now it's in a bootloop, and I'm stuck at work with no phone.
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This might mean you simply didn't wipe everything before you flashed the new ROM. Always perform a full wipe before flashing new ROMs.
Take the battery out of your phone. Put it back in and reboot to Recovery (hold Home and press Power). Then select the Wipe option, and go down that list and wipe every single category (I do them each twice just to make sure).
Then go back to the main menu and flash the ROM again. That should probably solve any bootloop problems.
(I don't know if it works exactly this same way with the rooted 2.1 RUU [I'm still on rooted 1.5], so if any of the above is wrong, anybody please correct it...)
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Look... there's a good chance your new Hero WILL have 2.1 on it. If it does, just root it and install a custom 1.5 rom.
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Yeah, I was thinking about that. If so, I might as well keep MY phone and install a 1.5 ROM on it. Less work, and they can have their "new" phone back.
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This might mean you simply didn't wipe everything before you flashed the new ROM. Always perform a full wipe before flashing new ROMs.
Take the battery out of your phone. Put it back in and reboot to Recovery (hold Home and press Power). Then select the Wipe option, and go down that list and wipe every single category (I do them each twice just to make sure).
Then go back to the main menu and flash the ROM again. That should probably solve any bootloop problems.
(I don't know if it works exactly this same way with the rooted 2.1 RUU [I'm still on rooted 1.5], so if any of the above is wrong, anybody please correct it...)
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Wow, so working with this ROM is like dealing with my kids. I have to tell it everything twice No thanks. Not worth the hassles.
2.1 doesn't do anything better that I can see. I'll deal with wired tethering considering how rarely I use it. The Navigation on 1.5 works better, or at least the voice recognition does.
Why exactly are you still using 1.5??? What custom 1.5 ROM would you guys recommend? Any that have ad hoc networking built in so I don't have to hack it myself?
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Pretty sure all of them do.
Sure wish we could get WPA working for us....stupid kernel.
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Wow, so working with this ROM is like dealing with my kids. I have to tell it everything twice No thanks. Not worth the hassles.
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You don't have to do them all twice, I was just saying that I do to make sure -- personal preference. Considering how those wipe options only take like 1 second each, there is no "hassle" of which you speak. Adds maybe an extra 4 to 5 seconds to your day at most.
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Why exactly are you still using 1.5??? What custom 1.5 ROM would you guys recommend? Any that have ad hoc networking built in so I don't have to hack it myself?
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I'm not still on a 1.5 ROM, I just haven't yet updated my phone to stock 2.1 using the can't-ever-go-back-again 2.1 RUU. What I meant is that I still have the 1.5 root, but I have been using 2.1 ROMs over top of that for at least a couple months now. I think all these 2.1 ROMs are much faster than 1.5 ever was. Slow speed and lag were my biggest annoyances in stock 1.5.
We probably won't be able to answer all your questions or remove all your doubts. You won't know completely until you try some of them yourself.
If you look in the Wiki there are several 1.5 Roms out there that you can use. However, there are some apps that will only work with 2.1. Once your rooted you can flash any ROM from 1.5 or 2.1. You might also consider an AOSP rom which doesn't have Sense UI. But as I stated in another thread yesterday, most people end up adding apps to try and emulate certain characteristics of Sense UI. I don't like vanilla android, but it is supposed to be faster.
Here are all of the ROMs available. If you want a 1.5 Rom I would suggest Gumbo 1.5c, Modaco 2.2, or Fresh 1.1.
Thanks all. I honestly can't imagine how anyone could find 2.1 faster than 1.5, but I guess maybe once I'll reload 1.5, it may remind me. The "other half" of the people are (like me) saying the CPU can't handle the extra 2.1 features.
I never found 1.5 slow for anything other than phone calls. Now, those are WORSE, and the lag time to do anything else now exists, where it didn't before.
I ran DC all day, and it was just as annoying as the stock ROM. Maybe a little better in places, worse in others.
I guess I'm running "basic" stuff compared to all you guys running heavy apps or something.
Pancake 1.5 running now...refreshingly smoothly Yea, a bit of the glitz is gone, but wow, no lag.
And I have a Navigation program back that has a functional voice recognition. I hesitate to update because I'm not sure how far the revs go under 1.5. I don't want the new version back and I don't know if it's 2.1-only.
I'm sure this has been covered before, but I'm not having luck digging through thousands of threads to find my answer. Its quick and easy for someone who knows more then I do.
I have a T-Mobile US HD2. I've flashed a custom rom of windows (latest version of Core) and I'm trying to run the latest version of Core Droid.
I've been able to install and boot up into Android just fine.....just once though. After the install process when it boots into Android, if I shut off the phone, restart it....blah blah blah it will automatically go back into Windows....and then I have to delete all the Android files and start new.
I've tried using this boot loader http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=733752
My options are set to have Android as the default, 30 second delay to let me have a chance to get into Windows incase I ever wanted too, and I have /android set as the Android folder. When I orignally copied all the files to my flash card, I put them in a folder on root called Android. As well, I've done all this on a freshly formatted SD card.
I've tried this several times with a few different WinMO Roms. I've tried a couple different distros of Android but without any better luck. Core seems to be the only one I can actually get to boot.
Please, any help would be great. I know I'm just missing something quick and simple here, but since this is something that I don't know much about I'm kind of stuck
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I should also add that I've tried installing the boot loader both before and after my Android install. It doesn't make a difference either way.
Why do you have to delete Android and start again? Booting back into Windows is correct, of course, but you've not explained what actually goes wrong.
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It seems like Droid wants to go through the whole install process again. It will sit there and do absolutely nothing (I left it sitting overnight on the black HTC screen that shows up when first putting on droid).... The only way I can get back into droid is if I format the SD card and start from scratch. Then if I turn off the phone or reboot it I have to do everything all over again.
I'm trying to just boot into Droid when I turn on my phone without having to worry about Windows. I don't mind a dual boot option. I just don't want to use Windows anymore
The only thing I can suggest is trying a different Android build. Just get one running and then reset your phone to make sure you can restart Android again. Worry about the bootloader later.
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The only thing I can suggest is trying a different Android build. Just get one running and then reset your phone to make sure you can restart Android again. Worry about the bootloader later.
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It seems to be working OK now. I re-flashed Windows and did everything from scratch. Set up the boot loader again and things seem to be ok.
What would you suggest as far as what build to use. I know this is kinda a touchy subject, but can you give me me pros/cons of the big ones?
I've NEVER used Android before so I'm pretty new to this
Dude, there is plenty of threads, even recent ones that already exhaust that question to the full, all you need to do is read them.
Does anyone know of a dual booting recovery or a way that i can have two ROMS at once on my phone. That way i can freely switch on start up from cyanogen mod to MIUI.
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Does anyone know of a dual booting recovery or a way that i can have two ROMS at once on my phone. That way i can freely switch on start up from cyanogen mod to MIUI.
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I don't know about having two ROM's at once but you could just make a backup of both CM7 and MIUI. It saves all your setting and only takes about 5 minutes to flash from one to the other.
I assume your referring to a nan-droid backup and if that's so i would love to do that but the issue with that is i have the default android software saved there. I would over write it but the fear of losing it and not being able to flash back in case i need to take my phone back to the store and get a new one. I have actually done this before and they accepted it because i flashed the factory software from a update on te HTC page, unfortunately there is no update from the original software on the HTC site for the shift.
You can make multiple backups through ROM manager. I have both a Cm7 and a MIUI backup saved to my SD card.
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I assume your referring to a nan-droid backup and if that's so i would love to do that but the issue with that is i have the default android software saved there. I would over write it but the fear of losing it and not being able to flash back in case i need to take my phone back to the store and get a new one. I have actually done this before and they accepted it because i flashed the factory software from a update on te HTC page, unfortunately there is no update from the original software on the HTC site for the shift.
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No he is speaking of a dual boot recovery, where when I powered my phone up I could choose cm7 or I could choose miui to load, and I would have this choice everytime I booted.
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I've been looking for something like this for cm7 and sense dual booting.
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There was someone working on this on the heroc forum, but I'm unsure if it ever actually worked or not.
I would much rather choose upon booting then going through the rom manager. Although i have never tried what you were speaking of so I'll give that a shot. Hopefully i can get MIUI to stop randomly restarting itself so i can use the ROM.