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video on how terrible the speaker is

just found a video on youtube that shows how bad the speaker is on the hd compared to a old n95

Yeah the speaker sucks, my old phone was the N95 and the speakers on that are a lot better than the DHD I have now.

who knows;9118124 just found a video on youtube that shows how bad the speaker is on the hd compared to a old n95
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I agree that the speaker on DHD is be low and "terrible" to people but I don't think it is fair to compare it to the nokia n95 which I think probably have one of the best speakerS (since it has 2 huge external speakers). Nokia is known for being a great music phone too.

aah, the N95, amazing sound. Used to have it for a long time, then got my first HTC (touch HD) and was extremely disappointed with the sound quality, and now that I got the desire hd, my ears got used to the crappy low-tech sound quality! well you cant have them all in one phone

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I just wonder if there is HW problem with speaker or its simply limited by software ? because I really couldnt belive that it would be that big problem to add louder speaker..

To start with, I made that comparison video. So if you have any questions, feel free to ask!
I am utterly disappointed by the speaker quality of the Desire HD.
I fear that this is hardware related, as the speakers sound very high-pitched, without any low tones at all. Also, when at maximum volume playing high toned music, the sound starts to distort and crackle. As you can hear, you can hear the low tones pretty loud and clear on the N95, but on the Desire HD, you can't hear it at all. The volume is noticeably about 2.5x louder on the N95.
If you compare the Desire HD with the Galaxy S, you will quickly notice that the Galaxy S has even better speakers than the N95, with plenty of low tones, at a high volume. The volume of the Galaxy S is many times higher and clearer than the Desire HD.
All of this leads me to conclude that for a flagship phone as the Desire HD is, it really has crappy speakers, and I truly don't understand how they could make a ****up like this. How much would good speakers cost anyway? Cents?
I expect a flagship multimedia phone like the Desire HD is to have proper speakers, comparable or better than we had in the N95 time (the flagship multimedia phone 3+ years ago). Samsung seems not to have any trouble to achieve this, but for some reason HTC didn't -utterly unexpected-.
Now let me be clear: even with the bad speakers, the Desire HD is a much better choice than the Galaxy S for several reasons, but really, HOW THE HELL have they achieved to fail so miserably on this point?? I'll make another video soon to compare speakers of the Desire HD against the Galaxy S. Also check out the other video's in my channel, rate and comment!

I think in general HTC's phones have sucky speakers, even that new HTC 7 phone with that big speaker isn't that impressive.

tried poweramp and turned they volumes up on that and it just crackled looks like its gunna be a replacement speaker hopefully the samsung galaxy s is similar in design, if so ill try and make it fit lol

What a shame on DHD about that poor loudspeakers. I do not care about music because I am sure that most of people are using headphones like Sennheisser or something like that but about ring loudness and vibration feeling, it really sucks.
You pay so much to this phone and knowing that you will be left with those speakers are really annoying.

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What a shame on DHD about that poor loudspeakers. I do not care about music because I am sure that most of people are using headphones like Sennheisser or something like that but about ring loudness and vibration feeling, it really sucks.
You pay so much to this phone and knowing that you will be left with those speakers are really annoying.
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The most Annoying thing is that I can't even hear it in my pocket as a matter of fact the speaker is so bad I even managed to miss 3 calls when the phone was layed speaker side down on the floor even though I was in the same room, really annoying

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I even managed to miss 3 calls when the phone was layed speaker side down on the floor even though I was in the same room, really annoying
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Sorry but this seems a bit exagerated! You're saying that having the dhd on the floor and being you in the same room, you couldn't hear a phone call? Come on..you were looking to TV with highest volume, or listening to music with earphones, or something similar...otherwise, sorry, I can't believe you!
Anyway, apart from this, I admit the speaker is really CRAP. I hate this. Hopefully vibration is good enough to feel the phone vibrating in your pocket, because the speaker could make you miss calls when in a sound-crouded area.
p.s. did we all have N95s before the dhd?? I had the 8Gb and...its screen has gone! It had the greatest speakers I have ever heard anyway, so the comparison is not that fair. Most phones don't have good speakers, but the one on the dhd is really RIDICOLOUS!

ErMeglio said:
Sorry but this seems a bit exagerated! You're saying that having the dhd on the floor and being you in the same room, you couldn't hear a phone call? Come on..you were looking to TV with highest volume, or listening to music with earphones, or something similar...otherwise, sorry, I can't believe you!
Anyway, apart from this, I admit the speaker is really CRAP. I hate this. Hopefully vibration is good enough to feel the phone vibrating in your pocket, because the speaker could make you miss calls when in a sound-crouded area.
p.s. did we all have N95s before the dhd?? I had the 8Gb and...it's screen has gone! It had the greatest speakers I have ever heard anyway, so the comparison is not that fair. Most phones don't have good speakers, but the one on the dhd is really RIDICOLOUS!
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i was watching tv, and the phone was around 5/6 meters away and i didnt have vibration on.. to be honest i couldnt believe it myself i even rang the phone to see if any music was playing lol

so how is in-call volume? is it just external sound or in-call volume sucks too?

That extremely inaccurate, the speaker, if configured properly is very very good. I an audiophile, I love sound quality, I've experienced many devices. The Desire Hd stands out by far for the smartphone category. N97? Come on. I be owned one of these they were decent..
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007K said:
That extremely inaccurate, the speaker, if configured properly is very very good. I an audiophile, I love sound quality, I've experienced many devices. The Desire Hd stands out by far for the smartphone category. N97? Come on. I be owned one of these they were decent..
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App
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So that would mean that all of us have faulty speakers.
Someone else also said his speakers were great, so I guess a few people got decent ones.

Can we use SE Live View with this ? Does it have better speakers than this ? A option for not missing the calls ??
P.S- I m yet to buy DHD

007K said:
That extremely inaccurate, the speaker, if configured properly is very very good. I an audiophile, I love sound quality, I've experienced many devices. The Desire Hd stands out by far for the smartphone category. N97? Come on. I be owned one of these they were decent..
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App
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Are you sure you are talking about de DHD? And how did you configure it properly, besides changing volume settings?

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And how did you configure it properly, besides changing volume settings?
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I don't know how he configured his DHD properly, but i think on DHD there're much more options to optimize sound quality than changing volume. I think abound de-/activate SRS and/or dolby mobile and there should be also an equalizer be integrated.
Think about that you shouln'd compare the quality of sound with any other devices than other smartphones or mobiles.

I've registered just to post a comment on the speaker quality. It's terrible. I'm not talking about headphones or the internal speaker. Specifically the loudspeaker. It's tinny, clips at higher volumes, and is worse than phones I had more than 5 years ago. I'm seriously considering sending the phone back on this basis.

Yep they are crap. I can't believe they've put something like this in one of the most expensive devices on the market.
Yesterday I was watching an episode of Family Guy and the quality of the sound was terrible. I thought it could be because of the codecs I used to convert the vid. I tried few mp3s (256bit) still crap. The louder I've put the volume the lower the quality went. Very very disappointing.
Still though... I love the phone and wouldn't change it for anything else. I wasn't expecting to get All-in-one device.

Poll: Are you satisfied with the external speakers?

Are you satisfied with the external speakers on the Desire HD?
Everyone please answer the poll so we can get an accurate idea of what Desire HD users think about the external speakers.

I've read so many post on how bad their speaker is, but I must say, either I have bad ears, or I'm lucky, and got one with a great speaker. No problem making it loud enough, and I can even make it too loud. All without any crackling, or distortion. I love it!

bobbyphoenix said:
I've read so many post on how bad their speaker is, but I must say, either I have bad ears, or I'm lucky, and got one with a great speaker. No problem making it loud enough, and I can even make it too loud. All without any crackling, or distortion. I love it!
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I guess it may be a 1st batch issue then. If your speakers really are good it would mean that all our speakers are faulty. If this is the case it's a warranty issue, so we could get it fixed.
Could you make a video of the sound, preferably comparing it to another phone?

YumYumHD said:
Could you make a video of the sound, preferably comparing it to another phone?
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Yep. I post it as soon as I can.

I can hardly wait!

I have a DHD from the first batch and the external speaker sound is not loud enough (even on max.) and the sound quality is poor.

Not happy.
I'm getting similar sound quality from an over 2 year old TouchPro.

Contacted HTC support and all they advised was to remove battery reboot and check volume was set to maximum.
Told them that had been done - no reply since...........
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Already posted in the other thread, but considering I registered here just to complain about this speaker, I figured why not post again here
Speaker reminds me of an old Nokia that I sent back within the first week of receiving it. Except it's worse. Tinny and crackly. HTC can do far better. I'm still undecided as to whether I'll keep the phone as a result. I've ordered a bluetooth headset just to deal with this issue, but now I read that it's having problems with the BT headsets too!

can't you use DSPmanager and increase the volume of the loud speaker? We have full root after all.

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can't you use DSPmanager and increase the volume of the loud speaker? We have full root after all.
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I haven't tried that, but I have tried PowerAmp music player to boost music.
The result was as I expected: hardly any increase in volume, at the expense of crackly distorted bad sound quality - worse than it was at "normal" levels.

The strange thing is this:
Some apps sounds louder and some is hard to hear.
Have all volume sliders at max.
An MP3 used as alarm sounds higher then one played trough the mediaplayer.
Isnt this strange?

I have been missing calls at work so i bought a Samsung Bluetooth speaker BS300. It has just landed today. It is small and thin and also the sound quality is excellent and loud. I am waiting for the battery now to charge and i will leave a few comments later when i have made and received a few calls with it

I found the speaker was quite poor and sold the phone. Not just because of the speaker, was more that I just didn't feel it was a significant upgrade over the normal Desire.
Anyway, before I sold the DHD I compared the sound against my Desire, a Samsung i8910 and a Nokia N95. Even the old Nokia sounded better than both HTC phones and the Samsung just blew everything away.
I understand there's a lot of sound technology in the phone, but it only works if using headphones. Speaker is just a token affair as far as I'm concerned.

Just to make sure,
I hope there are no complaints related with the quality of the sound with a good set of headphones like Sennheisser or something like that, right?

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Yep. I post it as soon as I can.
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When are you going to upload it?

YumYumHD said:
When are you going to upload it?
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I don't have a good video camera, and nobody has one to lend me. I tried several phones that have video, but they all come out bad. I'm working on it. If I can't find one this week, I'm just going to buy one. I can always use it for other stuff. Don't worry I didn't forget about it.

Some of the worst phone speakers I have come across
Shame, the rest of the phone is great

bobbyphoenix said:
I don't have a good video camera, and nobody has one to lend me. I tried several phones that have video, but they all come out bad. I'm working on it. If I can't find one this week, I'm just going to buy one. I can always use it for other stuff. Don't worry I didn't forget about it.
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Thanks for taking the effort, as this could be a major development.
If your speaker really is very good, we can show this to HTC, and they will have to say that this is a warranty issue.
Personally I do really hope it is, because like london_euphoria said: the rest of the phone is great, it's only the external speaker that is a drawback.

YumYumHD said:
Thanks for taking the effort, as this could be a major development.
If your speaker really is very good, we can show this to HTC, and they will have to say that this is a warranty issue.
Personally I do really hope it is, because like london_euphoria said: the rest of the phone is great, it's only the external speaker that is a drawback.
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Agree. That's why I want to make sure it's a recording of the true quality, not a choppy cell phone recording. Bare with me. I should have it up this week.

audioquality - really that bad? will 2.2 bring some improvements?

Hey Folks!!
I´ve read a lot about the very poor audio quality with the streak...what do you "initiated" guys can tell me about this (aside from the fact that they have positioned the audiojack on the SIDE of the device )? How would you rate the possibility to use this device as my no.1 mp3 player?
Will the update that everybody is waiting for compensate this issue?

Hi brooon
Well i don't know why you think the Streak has poor audio quality as that most certainly isn't my experience of using it to play my Music on and whilst i was on 1.6 i was more than happy using the Music player that was built into the Streak as i liked the Music Widget that came with it. Since moving to 2.1 and 2.2 Custom Roms i am using Lithium Player as like the Widget options it gives and i have no need for an EQ as have never used one on any device i use.
What is far more important IMO is how well you encode your Music as using low bit rates are never going to give you great results however good the hardware may be its restricted by to little information to work with when decoding it. All my Music is kept in iTunes although bought on Cd's and then transferred to it @256kbps AAC. The second most important factor is then your in ear phones as the supplied ones with any equipment are adequate at best IMO so dependant on your budget and the sound you like to hear upgrading your in ear or head phones is the other thing that will effect the quality of what you are listening to.
I listen to at least 2 hrs a day of Music either with my Shure EC2g's in ear phones plugged directly into my Streak or using my Nokia BH-500 and streaming the Stereo via Bluetooth to the same in ear phones and the sound is nothing short of stunning IMO. It produces a rich and full sound with good separation and sound stage with no need to use an EQ as IMO you shouldn't need to boost any frequencies as thats what a producer does when recording the Music for you to listen to in the recording studio.
So in answer to your question do nothing as I'm already running 2.2 and despite now using Lithium Player for the Widget options i have no issues with the sound quality my Streak delivers whilst listening to music or watching Videos.
Marc

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I´ve read a lot about the very poor audio quality with the streak...[...]
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Where have you read it?
Streak has the best audio quality of all the devices I owned during last years. I was amazed when I first plugged the earphones and played some tunes.

Theres a lot of fud around.....
I'd agree with smoku it's the best (although the speaker isn't great maybe that's what he read)
I'm now using power amp for all my music needs, the eq in there really brings out the best of the sound quality on the streak... It even plays m4a and wma and can boost the sound level out of the rear speaker

This is a valid thread, thanks for starting it.
For my part I am interested in portable audiophile gear, Sennheiser IE8 with custom moulds, iBasso D10, iRiver H140, that sort of thing.
My music is encoded in FLAC and I haven’t yet tried the Streak as a music player. Possibly in part so as not to be disappointed and also I am waiting on final 2.2 or maybe even 2.3 so as to bring the platform to maturity and with it good quality media apps. The original 1.6 just seemed to be rough around the edges and with poor app support.
So the responses from Dogmann, smoku and fards are very encouraging and I shall give it go sooner rather than later.

i use the hf2,s from emotec and you need a diff player to play flac but the sound quality is ok just the standared head set that come with its pants

I think 2.2 has increased the sound quality for the speaker but still not good as HTC tilt2. The sound from earphone jack is good on both 1.6 and 2.2 for me.

im using a pair of klipsch images and the sound on my streak sounds horrible. I hear alot of popping and noise. You can even hear when the internal amp comes on when its about to start playing sound, and you can hear it turn off when sounds go off its rather noticable. I recently installed poweramp and the inbuilt eq does make the sound alot better. Maybe all our streaks aren't created equal id love to hear one that sounds good.

hi @all!!
Thanks for the comments and experiences, your impressions are really helping a lot here guys
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I hear alot of popping and noise. You can even hear when the internal amp comes on when its about to start playing sound, and you can hear it turn off when sounds go off its rather noticable.
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That´s what i´ve read several times in reports that i´ve found during my googletrip ...it seems like you´re not the only one suffering under these (audio)circumstances. I must say, Im very surprised about the positive impressions here (although I´m happy to read such things )?!?
Don´t you guys hear those "poppings" and noises, too? What could be the reason for such a variety of impressions? Any idea?

This thread comes straight from the android knockers over at ilounge! i've owned both, there's no difference! i read the same stuff before i got android.
The only thing about the stereo system on the streak is the incredibly stupid placement of the headphone jack on the side of the device, meaning it sticks out sideways when in your pocket, the 'designers' even thought that you would carry the streak around in your pocket in landscape mode

tbh I'm not an audiophile, I've been a musician for way too long
never heard popping or buzz... except intentional as part of whatever I'm listening to..

My Streak does sound real good, even when listening to classical music. And I am using it straight out of the box.

Crap statement. It's not spectacular, but for a mobile phone device it's very satisfactory. I use it as a player both in my car and when I'm on the train and it sounds phenomenal.

Obviously it is not spectacular, lol. How could the sound on such a small device ever be spectacular? I was comparing it to other mobile devices (my wife's iPhone 3G, my old HTCs) and I am pleasantly surprised.

I switched to bluetooth headphones and they deliver much better sound quality, than the original streak's earplugs.

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Obviously it is not spectacular, lol. How could the sound on such a small device ever be spectacular? I was comparing it to other mobile devices (my wife's iPhone 3G, my old HTCs) and I am pleasantly surprised.
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Didn't mean to directly attack your statement . I'm actually agreeing with you, I think the sound quality is good on the Streak, and I'm calling the "reviewers" who said that the sound is bad on the Streak crap.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Its weird there is such differing opinions on it.
I've owned two and returned both for bad audio. I even had an email from the executive support team saying they're aware of an audio issue!
I just wondered whether maybe, as mine were both from the very first Carphone Warehouse batch in Brighton that I got a bum lot!?

Just tried the demo display at my local best buy and brought my earbuds and it sounded equally as bad as mine. My captivate, aria and nexus sound so much better.

shigga said:
im using a pair of klipsch images and the sound on my streak sounds horrible. I hear alot of popping and noise. You can even hear when the internal amp comes on when its about to start playing sound, and you can hear it turn off when sounds go off its rather noticable. I recently installed poweramp and the inbuilt eq does make the sound alot better. Maybe all our streaks aren't created equal id love to hear one that sounds good.
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This is my only gripe with the audio quality. If you listen at low volumes, you can hear fuzz/hiss sounds. I also can hear the amp/DAC/whatever it is turning on and off when I start/stop my music. Course, you can crank up the music to drown out the noise, but I like to be able to hear what's going on around me when i listen to music (so the yard gnomes et al can't sneak up on me.)
If you're in a reasonably quiet room, try playing some music with headphones and the volume turned all the way down to 0 (yes, zero). I can hear audio noise over the sound of my apartment heater blowing air around.
side note: I've confirmed this with the earbuds that came with the streak, as well as a set that came with my old iphone. i'm guessing if you have less sensitive headphones, this will be less of a problem cause you'll be pushing the audio out at higher volume levels.

After the encouraging observations here I decided to finally check out the sound quality for myself. My reference portable rig is a pair of Sennheiser IE8’s with custom ear moulds, iBasso D10 Headphone amplifier with an optical digital interconnect to an iRiver H140.
The music I like tends to be recorded as low-fi, e.g. The National, Bon Iver, Cymbals Eat Guitars. Last night I loaded up a selection of Calexico on both the Streak and iRiver. While these are clean recordings they are certainly not Hi-Fi reference standard, you know, the sort of stuff that is used to demonstrate high end audiophile equipment.
Basically my subjective comparison is just me listening to the sort of music that appeals. The cognoscenti over at Head-Fi may well have finer tuned ears and a more analytical framework and disagree of course.
I approached this with some trepidation bracing myself for a degree of disappointment in the Streak as a music player. No way did I expect what I found.
To summarise, given the choice of listening to the iRiver/iBasso rig or the Streak I would probably select the former. However I would be hard pressed to actually explain why. Perhaps because it has the ability to go louder - though the Streak is quite loud enough.
TBH after a couple of hours listening to the same tracks back and forth on both devices, I couldn’t discern any difference. Dell has really come through on this device in so many ways.
Kudos also to PowerAmp which is a joy to use and a bargain at $5.
For reference, the last time I performed this exercise was to compare with my old iPhone 3GS and there was no doubt then that the iRiver/iBasso was superior. I can’t say the same with the Streak, the best I can manage is ‘neck and neck’.
I am sorry for those who are having audio problems but this shouldn’t be so and your device could be faulty.

How you guys find the audio quality of the phone?

I'm pretty curious to know since GSMArena lambasted the audio output of the device when playing via headphones.
How do you guys find the quality? Acceptable?

I find it to be pretty good, even with the earphones that came with it.

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I find it to be pretty good, even with the earphones that came with it.
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How about the speaker where we listen to other people when we are on a call?
And other people hear you well?

People on call sound very clear, and I haven't had any complaints from people while I'm talking to them.

sound quality is fine i have no complaints or issues reported from people i have called or have called me speaker phone is good no issues there unless the volume is all the way up it will distort but that is the same for most phones i beleive
i also have it paired with the sexii SE HBH is800 and have no issues
PS im loving the phone

Tough choice... I wish the screen is 4inch thou. The price point is ideal for an early adopter set.

Just want to add my two bits:
The phone call audio quality is actually very good. I had the Milestone (Droid) before and this is better. The audio quality through headphones is also good.
Where it isn't so good is for speakerphone. I don't use that very often, but if you listen to music out loud all the time, this probably isn't the phone for you (get a Surround!).
P.S. I am also in love with my phone!

Commander Data said:
Just want to add my two bits:
The phone call audio quality is actually very good. I had the Milestone (Droid) before and this is better. The audio quality through headphones is also good.
Where it isn't so good is for speakerphone. I don't use that very often, but if you listen to music out loud all the time, this probably isn't the phone for you (get a Surround!).
P.S. I am also in love with my phone!
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Thanks for all your answers!
Commander Data one question, i dont listen to music that much, but now and then i like too. Do you mean the speakerphone is bad quality or low volume?
I'm also concerned because i use a lot of calls on speakerphone... What are your opinions?
Thanks in advance!

Necroman_AI said:
Thanks for all your answers!
Commander Data one question, i dont listen to music that much, but now and then i like too. Do you mean the speakerphone is bad quality or low volume?
I'm also concerned because i use a lot of calls on speakerphone... What are your opinions?
Thanks in advance!
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It's certainly manageable. I just had a 15 minute conversation on speakerphone and the other person seemed to be able to hear me fine and I could hear them fine, it's just not excellent. I came from the Milestone, which has a superb speaker. I would say the speaker on the LG is probably half the size so it really comes down to volume. If you crank it, it gets fairly distorted (especially on calls), but at medium volume there is no distortion and you can hear it fine. In other words, it is not a selling feature on the phone, but not a detractor (I had a Blackberry before this and it wasn't as good on speakerphone). Personally, the LG's superior built quality all around is more than enough to make up for a middle of the road speaker. I think gsmarena complained about the speaker because the rest of the phone is truly at premium class and they would have liked to have seen the speaker at the premium level too.
Edit: I should note that the conversation I had on speakerphone had two other people listening in with me and they heard fine.

Thanks Commander

Why do people complain about G2 Speakers?

I don't get it.
Try and follow the logic.
You want to hear some good quality music...
so you decide to use a cellphone's built in speaker instead of an audiophile headphone or portable speakers.
What is the point?
I mean, first of all, if you want to listen to HQ music on anything other than a dedicated mp3 player (iPod does NOT count, I'm talking about something like Samsung YP-P2 or YP-P3, or the Cowon S9), it is absolute redundant.
I can't even eloquently express my confusion at you people.
Like, obviously the cell phone speakers are naturally gonna be shiet compared to real ones, or even small little portable ones for that matter.
So if you use them, of course it is gonna be ****ty, so why complain?
And if you really do want high quality music, then you wouldn't be using a cellphone for media playback nor using the built in speakers to do the job.
It's like saying, oh man, this Toyota Corolla does soooo bad on the racing track.

Lol. Because complaining is fun, I guess.
I remember the ads for the desire hd claiming that it had "quality stereo sound." Anybody taken a test listen?
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

Ok. There's some of us that aren't audiophiles. So we resort to our phones speaker. Of course you can't expect great ear busting speakers but I mean CMON! Htcs giving us what seems like desire hds blown out garbage. Not cool bro
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

I wish they would start putting the speakers on the side, because its quite pointless to have the audio from a video or a game pointed away from you.

If you had a Touch Pro 2 before the Desire Z/ G2, you would understand the reason why I complain. I am not too fussed about the sound quality, It is the output that is too low both on the speaker and through the earphones.

lombardo8 said:
If you had a Touch Pro 2 before the Desire Z/ G2, you would understand the reason why I complain. I am not too fussed about the sound quality, It is the output that is too low both on the speaker and through the earphones.
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Aren't there kernels available for your phone that increase Max volume? And dsp manager works for eq. Dunno if dsp is in market, or just on the forum. Most roms I flash for my Evo come with it, and the kernels I flash come with audio gain.
Sorry, I haven't checked your guys forum, just accidentally stumbled across this thread.
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lombardo8 said:
If you had a Touch Pro 2 before the Desire Z/ G2, you would understand the reason why I complain. I am not too fussed about the sound quality, It is the output that is too low both on the speaker and through the earphones.
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I have to agree a bit here. I'm no audiophile, but enjoy listening to music. I don't expect any super high quality from a cell phone speaker. But you don't have to be an audiophile to notice the speaker quality is not great. And the main reason others complain is that other cell phones do it better. The HTC Touch Pro 2 is a very similar phone in many ways (same manufacturer, similar size, some of the same features like the landscape hardware keyboard) but has a somewhat better sounding speaker. So HTC did it better before. The Vision is a step forward in so many ways, but a slight step backward in terms of the speaker. And the sound quality applies to the speaker phone, not just playing music.
Although I would stop short of actually "complaining" about the speaker quality. Its still pretty adequate for the times I want to listen to music or use the speaker phone, and can't (or don't want to) connect to an external speaker or headphones. It doesn't really detract much at all from the fact that I absolutely love my Desire Z!

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Aren't there kernels available for your phone that increase Max volume? And dsp manager works for eq. Dunno if dsp is in market, or just on the forum. Most roms I flash for my Evo come with it, and the kernels I flash come with audio gain.
Sorry, I haven't checked your guys forum, just accidentally stumbled across this thread.
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The speaker already sounds pretty tinny when the volume is maxed out. I don't know if increasing the max volume would do much, but distort the sound even more. But a decent equalizer might make the speaker at least sound better. DSP Manager is not a market app, it needs to be flashed. And I've read posts that the flashable DSP Manager doesn't work on the Vision. You either have to flash a custom ROM that includes it, or possibly do some heavy tinkering to get DSP Manager to work.

Its not really a speaker to begin with.
ITS A RINGER!!!
Its purpose is to make a NOISE that you can identify as the PHONE RINGING. That is ALL.

dhkr123 said:
Its not really a speaker to begin with.
ITS A RINGER!!!
Its purpose is to make a NOISE that you can identify as the PHONE RINGING. That is ALL.
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Uh, no. Smartphones for years have had speakers designed for playing music and for use as a speakerphone. Even most dumbphones have a speaker for speakerphone use. Obviously the small size is not meant to replace larger speakers. But its decent to use for playing music. Just not as good as many other phones.

when i use speaker phone they arent loud enough sometimes
when i use the phone normally to my ear the speaker isnt loud enough sometimes
any other questions?
not everyone is complaining about the "playing music" aspect.

redpoint73 said:
Uh, no. Smartphones for years have had speakers designed for playing music and for use as a speakerphone. Even most dumbphones have a speaker for speakerphone use. Obviously the small size is not meant to replace larger speakers. But its decent to use for playing music. Just not as good as many other phones.
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No, it isn't. Its a RINGER. NOTHING MORE.

dhkr123 said:
No, it isn't. Its a RINGER. NOTHING MORE.
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You think just saying something in caps magically makes it fact?
The phone is equipped with a speakerphone, therefore its a speaker. You're the only one here that thinks its a "ringer".
You can call it whatever you want. Doesn't change the fact that other phones have better sounding "ringers" including the past generation of similar HTC phone.

dhkr123 said:
No, it isn't. Its a RINGER. NOTHING MORE.
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What exactly is a ringer? Is this another term for a buzzer (like a piezoelectric or magnetic) that I'm not familiar with?
The last time I heard the term ringer as it applied to a design component was for the old mechanical bell ringers used in landline phones (a long time ago). And as far as I know, landline phones nowadays all use tone ringer circuitry connected to either a buzzer or a speaker. Also, buzzers cannot be used to produce music (they require a square wave to produce noise as opposed to the sine waves used by speakers).
I was also under the impression that all modern cell phones used a speaker (just with varying degrees of cost/quality of the speaker itself and the type of amplification circuitry used, if any at all).

For me, I'm complaining about the lack of volume when using the speakerphone in call. Music wise, it doesn't bother me, but phone call wise, it does.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

The speakers on the Galaxy S phones are actually good for audio/video playback.

They have to do something good....

I too noticed that my G1 had a far better loudspeaker, in both quality and volume once rooted and using Audiohack. The G2 speaker at about 3/4ths volume starts to sound like the speaker is blown. I tried everything and nothing seems to help this.
Try calling 611 for tmobile and put it on loudspeaker, I can almost guarantee it will be just about useless at anything over half. It is noticeably worse for actual conversation as opposed to music, but even music is far worse than the previous androids I've owned.
Any word on a physical mod to improve this?

Gigamaster89 said:
The speakers on the Galaxy S phones are actually good for audio/video playback.
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blunted09 said:
They have to do something good....
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They do. Hardware components. AMOLED Screens, decent speakers, Gorilla glass, great chips/GPUs. They just can't program for ****. Nor can they design an original looking phone - er, hello iPhone 3G/Samsung Galaxy S. Even their latest Galaxy Cooper is a blatant copy of the iPhone 4.

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The speakers on the Galaxy S phones are actually good for audio/video playback.
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Yes. Hardware wise you can't get anything better than a galaxy S. Software wise they suck If it wasn't for XDA they'd be worthless light bricks
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App