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Reading the forum I came across people referring to "repair.zip". Apparently it was helpful in recovering from "GSM- ERROR"
Where can I download this zip from?
Any hints would be appreciated.
If you are still looking for it I have uploaded it here http://www.gsm-info.co.uk/public/
Lonegunma
I could not fix my XDA and was getting anywhere so eventually I had it repaired.
However this may be helpful next time and others may find this useful now.
Thanks a lot
No worries.
What are the symptom?
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If you are still looking for it I have uploaded it here http://www.gsm-info.co.uk/public/
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This sounds like it might be useful given the problems I am having with my phone, but before I try it, what problem exactly does this repair.zip solve?
My problem has to do with extreme system-wide slowdown, a soft-reset that takes 20 minutes, and the dreaded "GSM Error" at the Wallaby bootloader screen.
Thanks,
-Jason-
The problem with the GSM error is a nightmare, the GSM side of the XDA etc etc has from what I can see all the battery controls as well, so if the gsm side is F**ked then you have no way of charging the battery which means unless you have something like 70% charge in the battery no matter what you try it will not go past the 1% error part, so unless this has just happened on your phone you are stuffed might as well send the unit to service center to get repaired, at the moment I have 2 units with gsm error and can't do a thing with them, I'm trying to get hold of a good battery to see if I can sort them out or find a way of charging the battery off the XDA.
I'm glad I came here, I have the same problem, and last night, I had that 1% error, and the hint from lonegunman is very helpful, I have a Cadex c7400 battery analyzer, I don't think there will be a problem with charging the battery.
In general, you will have first to disassemble your ppc, (four screws in the back, then slowly apart the two sides of the cover with a strong thin knife like plastic tool) look at the battery, in my qtec, it is the far left and right terminals that are for charging, but as I didn't test this yet, so it is very much possible that you will need to connect the ( - ) terminal to one of the in middle terminals to close the circuit and to be able to charge (I will test and post back).
You can use a normal 500 - 1000 mah / 5 V charger, depending on your battery capacity, you can determine for how long you need to charge it, If your battery is 1500 mah, then it will charge in about one and half hours using a 1000 amh charger, if this is the case, I advice that you don't charge it for more than one hour and 15 mins, lithium/ lithium polymer batteries are very vulnerable for over charge, and for over heat, if the battery gets too hot to be touched, stop charging immediately (temp must not exceed 60 c). If you find out that the charge is not enough, add 15 mins at the time. Lithium batteries does not suffer from what is known as memory effect and can be charged when at any level of charge (you can charge it when not full, almost full ... but this will affect the life count of the battery). This also may be useful for any one who has a spare battery that is not in use, lithium batteries must never be stored empty. Also please not that life span of a lithium battery is around three years when used properly.
Now I have a question, is it normal with GSM error that I can't connect my ppc to the computer via the USB and activesync? because this is what I have, I can only use sd card but not the USB connection.
OK, now after I tested it, you can charge your battery by connectong the charger to the far left and right terminals of the battery, in qtec 1010, they are the bigger terminals. It is preferable to use a charger made for charging lithum batteries.
HI!
This might be a stupid question...
During the day my O2 Mini is always connected to my laptop thru the USB sync wire and therefore its keeps getting charged.
Is that in any way harmful for the battery...does it reduce battery life over the long run??
Thanks.
Ujj
ujj75 said:
HI!
This might be a stupid question...
During the day my O2 Mini is always connected to my laptop thru the USB sync wire and therefore its keeps getting charged.
Is that in any way harmful for the battery...does it reduce battery life over the long run??
Thanks.
Ujj
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No not Lithium Ion batteries. In fact it is better to charge the battery as often as possible.
is that fact? i cant believe it.
It is the way the battery is designed, there is logic in the battery that cuts off voltage when the peak is reached as far as I know.
Thanks cruisin-thru and skjelnes .
If you let them go flat for any length of time, they die completely.
USB charging control
Still this whole battery charging and technology issue is quite ambiguous. No one can really guarantee that there is a clear answer. For instance why do you have to give the battery an initial 8-hour charging if it is a new generation battery?
In any case it would be interesting to know how the charging control works. There are some options:
- It can be controlled by a circuit which cuts off power at a certain level of charge (no way to play with this option).
- It may be controlled by software which would be great because one could (easily) interfere with it. In this case there must be some kind of relay switch controlled by the operating system.
- It could also be not controlled. In this case the battery never stops charging. Only the indication changes when a battery meter reaches a certain level. This looks more likely to be the case as the initial 8-hour charging might mean keeping the battery under voltage during the initial charge as even though the indication states that it is fully charged the charger is not disconnected by any control system.
Does anyone have some solid information on the above assumptions?
Note: I tried to isolate the power pin of the USB cable in order to prevent the device from charging but then it was not recognized by the USB (got a USB connection error). Obviously the power line of the USB is used for connection and signal as well and not only as a optional power supply to the connected device.
I'm currently trying to find something in the registry about charge control....
Maybe Microsoft has hidden a secret option somewhere in there... :?
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I'm currently trying to find something in the registry about charge control....
Maybe Microsoft has hidden a secret option somewhere in there... :?
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Does anyone have some solid information on the above assumptions?
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Find everything you want to know on lithium-ion batteries on batteryuniversity.com
here http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-5.htm
and here http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm
Serge
A litium-ion battery gets worn from three things:
* Normal use
* Heat
* Full charge
A short while after the Ipod battery dirty secret leaked, I read why the batteries only last for like a year. A NiCd battery HAS to be cycled completely to last as long as possible because of their memory effect. A NiMh battery LIKES to be cycled as completely as possible for longest life.
A Li-Ion battery does not have the memory effect - therefore a lot of people seem to assume that you can charge a Li-Ion battery any way you want. That is not correct... Everyone of you ever used a laptop with a Li-Ion battery every day at work, with the ac-adaptor plugged in knows that the battery is ready for garbage bin after one or two years.
Why? You've almost never used the battery... It's always fully charged... The battery should have lasted much longer you think...
Isidor Buchmann is president at the company Cadex which makes battery chargers. He has got more than 20 years of experience from the battery business.
At the site: http://www.batteryuniversity.com he has written an article where he explains the mechanisms inside a Li-Ion battery and provides tips about how to treat the batteries.
Finally he gives the following advices:
*Don't discharge the battery completley. It's better to discharge the battery a little more than halfe than making a complete discharge.
* Discharge the battery completely and then charge it completely to calibrate the battery meter
* Keep the battery cool
* For long time storage: keep the batteries charged at 40% in the fridge
* Do not use the ac adapter and the battery when the battery is fully charged. Heat and unneccesary charging after the battery is fylly charges destroys the battery
My 2 cents.
// Anders
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savas said:
why do you have to give the battery an initial 8-hour charging if it is a new generation battery?
In any case it would be interesting to know how the charging control works. There are some options:
- It can be controlled by a circuit which cuts off power at a certain level of charge (no way to play with this option).
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I think most questions have been answered, except Magician specific ones, i.e.:-
The Magician has to be initially charged for at least 8 hours to:-
1. Make sure the main battery is fully charged and formed, and charging logic calibrated (future capacity depends on this)
2. Charge the backup battery. Unlike the main battery, this only gets a trickle charge which starts after the main battery is at 100%. So it needs those 8 hours to get to full capacity. Remember to do this if you ever drain the backup battery.
Lithium charging logic is built into the battery, so no way to tamper with the settings. The NiMH backup battery logic will be built into the Magician.
Very interesting reading! I didn't know about the issue with laptop batteries.
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Very interesting reading! I didn't know about the issue with laptop batteries.
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Me niether. I knew exactly how to treat NiCd and NiMh batteries, but when I bought a laptop, I wondered how to treat Li-Ion batteries. After some search I found the info i just presented here.
// Anders
Very interesting information indeed! Just some more comments:
Anders Johnsson said:
*Don't discharge the battery completley. It's better to discharge the battery a little more than halfe than making a complete discharge.
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Do not use the ac adapter and the battery when the battery is fully charged. Heat and unneccesary charging after the battery is fylly charges destroys the battery.
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Lithium charging logic is built into the battery, so no way to tamper with the settings. The NiMH backup battery logic will be built into the Magician.
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OK we can easily avoid discharging the battery below 50% or 60% at normal conditions even when traveling through a USB port of our notebook (3rd quote)
We should also avoid a USB connection at a 100% (2nd quote) or even at a 90% (3rd quote) charge level unless we can find a way to cut off the power supply to the battery. The only option would be to find a way to do this from the device, before the internal logic of the battery. As far as I can understand the internal battery logic allows charging whenever connected to a power supply and it only informs somehow the device of the charge level.
OMG.
All this nonsense about batteries.... it's easier to just buy a new battery or a new device after 18 months, rather than let your charging habits be dictated by how batteries like to be tickled!
Easier yes, more expensive too.. Dell sure knows how to charge (!) you for a new batt with built-in subwoofer..
Does it matter if we don't charge it all the way till it's full? If I'm charging it till about 95% and I really need to unplug it. How much damage will it do to my battery?
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Does it matter if we don't charge it all the way till it's full? If I'm charging it till about 95% and I really need to unplug it. How much damage will it do to my battery?
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I'm not following you - I think. If you unplug it at 95% it's a lot better than unplugging it at 100%.
Summary:
Full charge: BAD
Full discharge: BAD
Heat: BAD
Extreme cold: BAD
// Anders
This is the first time that I ever heard that charging up to 100% is bad. I know that leaving it on the charger for extended periods is bad but to say that charging to 100% is bad.. that's absurd!!! :shock:
Hi there!
Does anyone know of a way to operate the Universal solely on A/C power when there is no battery inserted?
I often use my universal as a WLAN media player in the kitchen. It just sits there for hours playing music and I would like to remove the battery from it during this time to extend overall battery life.
Unfortunately the device does not turn on when there is no battery inserted.
This should be fairly easy, if I understood well, you don't want to let the battery in the universal (even if normally the battery chargers apply a tickle current charge when the batteries are already charged to mantain it fully charged), so you just need to connect your power supply directly to the uni's battery contacts -BEWARE the power supply MUST be 3.7V REGULATED / 1A minimum current-.
Personally, I do not like to change the way the objects are, so I would try to keep it like this in this case, this means, no extra holes in my PDA, no extra connectors, etc. so you need a pair of mini alligators clips or miniclips to connect your unit to the power supply, be sure to verify the correct polarity, it's clearly written in the battery's contacts.
Alternatively, there should be a way of doing this by using the uni's own battery charger through it's own mini USB connector, it's necessary to cheat the PDA and let him "think" he's got the battery inserted, this should be fairly easy to do also, but I'm out of my work, so I could provide a complete solution like this until late april.
bye
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Unfortunately the device does not turn on when there is no battery inserted.
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Why don't you use an old battery?
I use this way in this particolar circumstances!
Why don't you use an old battery?
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That's what I used to do, unfortunately the old battery I have is so worn down by now it won't even support the boot process any more, and the A/C power regulator kicks in only after basic I/O drivers are loaded on the device.
Since the old battery dies before this process completes I can't use that any more.
I don't believe the Universal's "battery detection circuits" are all that complex, in most modern electronic devices they can be fooled by simply bridging some of the connectors in the battery bay.
I don't know if this is true for this device also, however. So I was wondering if anyone else ever tried before I toast my PDA...
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Since the old battery dies before this process completes I can't use that any more.
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Oh.. I understand.. Sorry..
Well: be careful if you try to solve in other way..
Hi,
That's the first time I am not able to find in this great forum a solution for a problem with one of my 2 wizards (i love this machine...)
Yesterday, one suddenly did not power on. I knew that the battery was pretty low, so I guessed was just discharged. But once I plugged it at home to the wall charger, no amber light appeared, nothing powered on! When I replaced the battery with a fresh one, nothing changed... and when I tried the "bad" battery with my second wizard+wall charger, I confirmed the battery was almost empty (2%), but worked fine.
I tried to plug the mobile to the computer, but nothing... to soft-, hard-resets... the bootloader reset... but my wizard did not respond electrically or electronically to anything... any idea what could be happening? any possible solution? I do not remember exactly which rom I was wearing now, if that matters... probably a FariaWM6_realthing_crossbow
thanks to all in any case
marcos
Maybe out of sight accident
why you leave alone your lovely wizard and so aprecciated mmmm....
its xtrange but as you say i think this kind of forum may helps you with software... took it to a cellphone repair center... they has multimeters to know where does the energy stops... maybe a little electronic component has burn it down. or try the not original and official wall chargers withj specific mhz and amperage, try something more hard.
hope i help you
more news
After being overnight without the battery, this morning I tried a "resurrection"
I just put back the battery, did a softreset, and it worked!... really!? no... just the first two screens (HTC welcome and machine tests) It did not go forward, and a second reset it did not work either... now it's again like yesterday, just dead
I think there is something else than just an electronic problem, but who knows. I recommend you not to let the battery too low!
Marcos
Charging a completely dead Wizard battery
Delapena,
I've had this problem a bunch of times with my Wizard (Cingular 8125 branded version). I was able to get it working again using the instructions of a VERY helpful person(s) who I want to give credit to but cant remember right now (sorry in advance) so just FYI this works for me, but the credit goes to the original poster (will edit later if I recall).
Easiest method (if available):
1) Locate your STOCK 5vdc/1.0A wall charger.
2) Remove stock battery, put it in a ziplock bag, place in freezer for 5-10 min or so. This should minimize the internal resistance of the battery to boost VDC across the terminals (in case you ran the battery very, very very dead).
3) After the battery is good and cold, put it back in the phone; DO NOT PRESS THE POWER BUTTON!
4) Plug the 5vdc/1.0AMP STOCK WALL CHARGER into the phone.
5) Charging indicator (solid amber LED) should light up after 5-10 seconds with no other indications (no screen, no beeps, just solid amber LED ON).
It's my understanding (may be wrong) that the 1.0amp wall charger uses/supplies 5vdc one one or more of the mini-usb plug pins than the standard USB->mini-usb cable used for standard data-transfer on standard USB-spec devices. Also, the wall charger sources a full AMP of current at 5vdc, as opposed to the 0.5amp each USB host IC is allowed to source (e.g. the USB host IC on your motherboard/front/back of computerbox).
...reply to this if you want the comprehensive method. Ill research if above doesnt work / you dont have the charger. Swamped at present though; if you need the full blown recharge-the-battery-from-the-stoneage method ill look it up---dont want to give you invalid info.
If you dont want to wait (i'd understand, been there), try searching around a bit if you havent already found what your looking for.
Reply back if you need more help, otherwise, good luck and replace your battery with a new one asap!
Cheers
(again, no credit to me on this one, got this solution from somewhere else on the forum a long while back...credit to original poster!!)
Sir,
I didnt read what you had already tried. My wizard is rebooting constantly as well. My thought is that my battery is so old that the battery charging chemistry is so out of whack that the battery charging / voltage sensing circuit is all sorts of confused as to where the (really old worn out) battery is on its charging curve.
I'm guessing that my phone is rebooting because the battery fails to supply adequate voltage at x.xx amps of current draw to the phone's internal voltage regulator. When the IVR cuts out, the phone poops its pants.
I'm currently looking for a battery replacement myself.
more... but less
Thanks for the help, brhestir. But did not work for me. Actually, I tried with the 3 batteries I have, which actually work OK in my second wizard.
The only thing I am able to "slighlty" reproduce till now:
1) Wizard remains several hours with any battery plugged
2) I put the battery back
3) I switch it on or do any kind of reset
4) Just sometimes, the machine starts up, but gets hanged up after the first screens
5) most of the times, after this... the screen turns white slowwwwly, till it switches off
6) only once, I managed to get the bootloader screen, which stayed like that with any problems... but the computer cannot connect to it, so impossible to change the rom.
Next step: to dismantle the machine (prior step before throwing it through the window)
Marcos
brhestir said:
Delapena,
I've had this problem a bunch of times with my Wizard (Cingular 8125 branded version). I was able to get it working again using the instructions of a VERY helpful person(s) who I want to give credit to but cant remember right now (sorry in advance) so just FYI this works for me, but the credit goes to the original poster (will edit later if I recall).
Easiest method (if available):
1) Locate your STOCK 5vdc/1.0A wall charger.
2) Remove stock battery, put it in a ziplock bag, place in freezer for 5-10 min or so. This should minimize the internal resistance of the battery to boost VDC across the terminals (in case you ran the battery very, very very dead).
3) After the battery is good and cold, put it back in the phone; DO NOT PRESS THE POWER BUTTON!
4) Plug the 5vdc/1.0AMP STOCK WALL CHARGER into the phone.
5) Charging indicator (solid amber LED) should light up after 5-10 seconds with no other indications (no screen, no beeps, just solid amber LED ON).
It's my understanding (may be wrong) that the 1.0amp wall charger uses/supplies 5vdc one one or more of the mini-usb plug pins than the standard USB->mini-usb cable used for standard data-transfer on standard USB-spec devices. Also, the wall charger sources a full AMP of current at 5vdc, as opposed to the 0.5amp each USB host IC is allowed to source (e.g. the USB host IC on your motherboard/front/back of computerbox).
...reply to this if you want the comprehensive method. Ill research if above doesnt work / you dont have the charger. Swamped at present though; if you need the full blown recharge-the-battery-from-the-stoneage method ill look it up---dont want to give you invalid info.
If you dont want to wait (i'd understand, been there), try searching around a bit if you havent already found what your looking for.
Reply back if you need more help, otherwise, good luck and replace your battery with a new one asap!
Cheers
(again, no credit to me on this one, got this solution from somewhere else on the forum a long while back...credit to original poster!!)
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wow i just ran into the same problem today.. my battery was low tried to plug into the cigar lighter but the fuse was blown due to another object i had plugged in so i didn't get a chance to charge it, the phone was fine all day until i left work it was completely dead.. no amber light for the charger.. have you had any luck?
hi everyone,
i solved this problem by creating a sort of bypass for the battery...
i bought a special battery used for some circuits experiments which is 4,5v..
i connected the + and - with the phone contacts, with the battery plugged...turn on the phone until the orange light is on and leave it until charge is full...
this is cause phone needs a minimum of charge to start recharge circuit...
Yes the same problem on every post
The thing of cooling batteries is an old but knowledge charging fast option but it brokes your performance batt drain so i recomend a new full battery ok? is the only way or...... charge the one you have fully fully.
and try again! tu plugin the batt once at time and again and again it wouldnt boot cause its too low to begin the OS and let you charge with the wallcharger... to charge with the wall or usb you need a bootable and functional OS ok?
hope you can find a way to charge your batt at least sufficient to boot the OS ok?
bye
well good news! 20 minutes in the freezer + 5v + 1a = win
CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mp86 said:
well good news! 20 minutes in the freezer + 5v + 1a = win
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So dont ever let the batt drains to the hell down forever hahaha.
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So dont ever let the batt drains to the hell down forever hahaha.
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lol it was an accident i thought it was charging in the car!
Hi all, there is a way to turn off the charging function when using USB ,
1-install FdcSoft TaskMgr from here
dotfred.net/TM/FdcSoft_TaskMgrv3.3_WM6.5.cab
2-go to Devices--->$device\BAT1(BAT1 and stop this service
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To Use charge restart this service
hey thx for the tips! but after stop the service my o2 keep saying batt low...
Is there any reason why we would want to turn off this service?
I heard that it keeps your battery in good shape
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I heard that it keeps your battery in good shape
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I'm not so sure about that... I've always charged both my O2 and the O1 before through usb and the battery has always been fine.
Actually, I even noticed that charging through usb takes longer but once it's charged it also lasts longer (this happened on the O1, haven't made the same comparison on the O2 yet)
Dunno if plugging / unplugging the usb cable too frequently can have some sort of ill effect on the battery life, but it's not like we're plugging it every 10 minutes is it?
Never had a battery problem with a "normal" usb usage and usb charging enabled so far...
Yes but not anymore
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It's always good to drink all the juice so the battery don't develop a offline or fake "memory".
Also the multi cell assembly insde the battery praticly don't allow batery memory anymore.
Thx for the reference
Regarding battery life
Hi,
Actually, for a battery it depletes it's life every second. There is no way of preventing this But we can extend the service life. For example the most basic rules:
1-Do not charge your battery unless it is almost empty
2-Avoid deep discharging (this is not possible with a PDA coz it has an early shut down routine)
3-Do not overcharge the battery (also this not possible, coz there is a voltage limiter by hardware)
4-Do not leave your battery in a high temperature environment (for example in a car during summer, we are using chemical-reaction batteries)
the rest is do not puncture, do not short circuit boola boola boola
ok, finally while using your PDA with a USB charging interface, it should stop charging when the battery is full (Even my mother's old nokia doing this)
Plus, how much it costs for a new battery? only few bucks.. ehh.. (not for an original one ofcourse)
PDA batteries, in most cases, are 3.7volts (charging voltage is 5volts by USB) and 1200 to 1500mAh (for the ones who doesnt know what is "mAh": it is the capacity of the battery and it means if you pull for example for a 1300mAh battery, 1300 "mili ampers per hour" it will deplete. Some of my friends they are using 3.7V 2000mAh batteries while their PDAs supplied with 1230mAh batteries, thus, standby time goes up to a week. They are not using their originals ofcourse. I dont understand why manufacturers are not supplying PDAs with these kind of batteries by standart. Even a chinese made battery can be so efficient. (I am using a chinese one, my original battery is 1300mAh, i could find 1500mAh same battery)
I spoke to my friends, they are not charging their 2000mAh batteries via USB/charger while battery is in the phone. Because there is an internal electrical resistance of every battery. May be PDA's battery charging circuit get damaged! Because of this if you plan to use a high capacity battery, charge it seperately by using another charging equipment.
Finally when you want to sell out your PDA install the original battery (which you have never used before hehe ) and get a higher price
This might be some really big idiotic question, but what if the service is down and the battery drains and the phone shuts itself off, will it turn on by connecting the charger to the phone?
I ask this because with the service off even the real phone charger wont work (at least while it is on)!
houssam10001 said:
Hi all, there is a way to turn off the charging function when using USB ,
1-install FdcSoft TaskMgr from here
dotfred.net/TM/FdcSoft_TaskMgrv3.3_WM6.5.cab
2-go to Devices--->$device\BAT1(BAT1 and stop this service
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To Use charge restart this service
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I just did what you said, and now the device\BAT1(BAT1 completely disappear! How am i supose to turn it on again now?
And no, i obviously didn't delect it, i just stoped the service and it vanished from the damn list!
im very interested in this but how can you restart the charging service?