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Maybe its just me but I feel like overclocking our phones is unnecessary. It seems like its just for boostin benchmark scores and it doesn't really affect real world performance. For me I used setcpu and it makes the phone slower and laggy when on conservative. Is that just setcpu not playing nice with my phone?
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Overclocking, for most part, is all about getting the most you can out of what you have. For some its a numbers game, for others it's just because you can. Personally, I like at least having the option open. However, my Epic doesn't like 1.2ghz.
Stock speeds are enough most of the time. I don't usually run the programs that use 100% of the cpu, so I really don't need to worry about it. Though, if I had the capability to OC.. I would.
As for setcpu, I've never experienced any overly excessive lag or anything brought about by its use. Though, by its nature it will be slightly slower to respond.
Coming from a hero, i can tell you overclocking is certainly not a gimmick! It may not be as necessary on these epic cause its crazy-awesome fast from the box, but it still helps. I keep mine at 1.6ghz on conservative, and performance when i play certain games. For me its about the multi-tasking improvment. Also i like to see my icons fade in smooth no matter what i have going on in the phone
But for me at least, its far more than just a benchmark score. However it is pretty sweet telling my iphone rocking coworkers to eat my ghz
jok3sta said:
Maybe its just me but I feel like overclocking our phones is unnecessary. It seems like its just for boostin benchmark scores and it doesn't really affect real world performance. For me I used setcpu and it makes the phone slower and laggy when on conservative. Is that just setcpu not playing nice with my phone?
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Well first it depends completely on your phone, all are different in terms of what they can handle, so each individual phone will respond differently to overclocking/undervolting. I can personally run 1.2, 1.3, and the 1.6 completely fine, while a lot of people can't run any of these. In terms of performance, it does make a difference with animation speeds, fps on games such as pocket legends or angry birds, and overall lagginess. But again, this is dependant on your phone.
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I flashed the Xtreme kernel today but for some reason, I'm not getting the FPS unlock. Nenamark and Neocore are not getting the +70 I was expecting...
Eazail70x7 said:
I flashed the Xtreme kernel today but for some reason, I'm not getting the FPS unlock. Nenamark and Neocore are not getting the +70 I was expecting...
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Are you running v1.2.0? If so, the fps cap is not fixed on this version because Devin removed the 1.6ghz step which allows the framerate to be raised. It works on some phones, but not all which is why he removed it.
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That explains it
The same argument comes up every once in a while concerning PC overclocking. I admit the phone overclocking has yet less benefits and even more downsides, but oh well, it's still super neato.
AndrewZorn said:
The same argument comes up every once in a while concerning PC overclocking. I admit the phone overclocking has yet less benefits and even more downsides, but oh well, it's still super neato.
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Exactly, you have to compare this to pc overclocking because it is the same exact thing. Two processors of the same make and model will overclock differently no matter what, it depends entirely on the die. Correct, the benefits are less noticeable, but it still makes a difference.
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Exactly, you have to compare this to pc overclocking because it is the same exact thing. Two processors of the same make and model will overclock differently no matter what, it depends entirely on the die. Correct, the benefits are less noticeable, but it still makes a difference.
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There is a notable difference with stock 1ghz and a 1.2ghz. 1.2 - 1.3 isn't worth it in real world that's bragging rights
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Hey guys, can you use z4 root on this phone? All i want is to remove is the bloat and undervolt it for my battery.. Any ideas of this works?
Why don't you ask in the z4 root thread
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Wtf there is a thread for everything here lmao.
Dj21o said:
Wtf there is a thread for everything here lmao.
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Yea and the search button helps to find it.
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Dude I know lol. I have a rooted hero, but im sick of all the custom bs. I want to underclock and thats it!
Hey guys,those lucky bas*ards over at the G2 forums have a kernel with overclocking up to 2GHz.Where is the DHD version of it,huh?
Yeah,I know,such a high overclock will most probably damage our phones and battery will go completely all the way to hell,but c'mon!Don't any of you wanna try it?Plus,we get 3200+ @1,6Ghz while the G2 gets just over 3000(something like 3006) @2Ghz in quadrant!Imagine what the DHD will do with 2GHz!And we are supposed to have better quality CPUs!
So come on,dev up!
With the current UK temperatures the only benefit of having a 2Ghz overclock would be a warm hand/pocket.
As a technical exercise/project it may have some benefit, but practically what use is a DHD that will get really hot, really quick. And then the battery dies, or the thermo cut out kicks in.
I would never clock at 2ghz...that's asking for trouble and the voltage would be to risky...no one is going to make a 2ghz kernel for the DHD
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Why not?I mean,not for everyday use,I wouldn't do it too!But for some time to do some benchmarking etc it would be really nice!Plus the G2 seemed really stable @2GHz.
tolis626 said:
Why not?I mean,not for everyday use,I wouldn't do it too!But for some time to do some benchmarking etc it would be really nice!Plus the G2 seemed really stable @2GHz.
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Well..I guess it is a matter of risk...
I am no expert, but I can imagine overclocking to 2Ghz, if possible, will require a lot of overvolting and may seriously affect your cpu....for the worse...
Even for a short time, if you are not sure what will happen, are you really willing to potentially give up your phone?
tolis626 said:
Why not?I mean,not for everyday use,I wouldn't do it too!But for some time to do some benchmarking etc it would be really nice!Plus the G2 seemed really stable @2GHz.
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Yeah it can be done...There is a 1.7ghz kernel out..(its a risky overclock so its not for download on the public forums)
You can drive a car with your feet if you want to but that doesn't make it a good idea
2ghz is twice its clock speed...if you really want 2ghz then wait for the dual cores...1.5ghz is the max safe overclock...and even then its not been tested over a long period of time.
Saying the G2 is stable at 2ghz is meaningless.....there are so many different variables, its just not that black and white.
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Yeah it can be done...There is a 1.7ghz kernel out..(its a risky overclock so its not for download on the public forums)
You can drive a car with your feet if you want to but that doesn't make it a good idea
2ghz is twice its clock speed...if you really want 2ghz then wait for the dual cores...1.5ghz is the max safe overclock...and even then its not been tested over a long period of time.
Saying the G2 is stable at 2ghz is meaningless.....there are so many different variables, its just not that black and white.
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I guess you're right...But there must be someone crazy enough to try!Well,one has to wait,right?Thanks for the replies by the way!
And btw,the G2 requires to be overvolted @1500mV.
tolis626 said:
I guess you're right...But there must be someone crazy enough to try!Well,one has to wait,right?Thanks for the replies by the way!
And btw,the G2 requires to be overvolted @1500mV.
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which is over 35% more than stock DHD
No!
Using any CPU frequency that is not default ( underclocked or overclocked ) requires testing and manipulating the various variables. The CPU needs to be in sync with the GPU and the other parameters. Needs modifications in the kernel itself. The device is not made to run at those frequencies. You will burn your device, sooner or later.
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You will burn your device, sooner or later.
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Yes and device can freeze the most of times.
So I've been messing around with different roms and kernels for the past few weeks and finally settled on CM6 6.1.1, and the snap 7.6 bfs kernel, for stability and speed. I turned on the turbo mode with snap, OC'd to 1152mhz (freezes at 1192), killed all apps, and ran quadrant.
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I know thats pretty good, my scores average from 2100-2350, but I'm looking to make it even quicker. What can I do?
Thanks!
Move to gingerbread.
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sultan.of.swing said:
Move to gingerbread.
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Which ROM and which kernel?
weehooherod said:
Don't use Snap 7.6 on CM6.1.1, just use the stock kernel. The new kernel built in with CM6.1.1 is much better, Snap 7.6 is pretty old.
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I had 6.1.2 flashed, but snap wouldn't work on it and I was only benching around 1400 with the stock kernel.. Even with an OC
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Which ROM and which kernel?
I had 6.1.2 flashed, but snap wouldn't work on it and I was only benching around 1400 with the stock kernel.. Even with an OC
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Benchmark scores don't matter. I don't even check them anymore. Wether I get a 1400 or 2200 its still gonna dial a number at the same speed. Im not playing call of duty on my phone or anything. I want efficiency.
A benchmark does not actually show how fast your phone is....
Cyanogen himself stated this.
quadrant scores =/= to your phone being 'fast'.
But if you care about synthetic benchmarks then you could trick your file system into giving you quadrant scores in the 3000+ range.
by the way thanks for posting this in the relevant subsection of the evo forum dedicated to development this will absolutely further the development of android.
Yeah man, don't worry about benches. If you want to brag about how high it is just PhotoShop it. It's all about smoothness and real world performance/battery life for me. Just find what setup works best on your phone
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Lol okay then guys, so which gingerbread ROM and which kernel for the best efficiency and speed?
david279 said:
Benchmark scores don't matter. I don't even check them anymore. Wether I get a 1400 or 2200 its still gonna dial a number at the same speed. Im not playing call of duty on my phone or anything. I want efficiency.
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I couldn't agree more, how instant can a phone get? Theres a point where speed wont be relevant anymore and its pretty damn close to it already. In my eyes efficiency is the future, doing more with less is something im looking forward to.
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lexusmike said:
Yeah man, don't worry about benches. If you want to brag about how high it is just PhotoShop it. It's all about smoothness and real world performance/battery life for me. Just find what setup works best on your phone
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**** man I'm sorry I'm new to this forum.
Mods: Please move to the correct section.
Thread moved to General.
Also keep in mind that the EVO's Snapdragon CPU was never a problem, it's still competitive even with the newer CPUs (with the exception of the upcoming A9's both single and especially dual core). Most of the "hacks" that raise the Quandrant score over 2000 are just that, hacks. They manipulate the other tests (non-CPU specific ones) to raise the score and make you think that you've just achieved some kind of new level of performance when in fact you'll see pretty much no difference.
Over clocking will help a little but like I said the problem isn't the CPU; a lot of the lag you may see on the EVO is because of the GPU. Nobody has figured out out how to overclock the GPU so over clocking the CPU will make no difference with the GPU. There have been some improvements in the drivers and if you're running CM or MIUI, you already have them. Gingerbread slightly improves some of the core graphics in Android so you'll see a boost over pre-Gingerbread Android but I think what we should all be waiting on is for the new Adreno 200 GPU drivers that Google will release when the OTA 2.3 update for the N1 drops. It wont magically make our EVO's into Nexus S' or anything but I wouldn't be surprised to see a noticeable boost in performance.
Oddly enough, I'd rather have the transition animations that come with some of the custom ROMs, even if they take longer. They provide a much more "fluid" experience. I don't like the jarring, speed-driven, animation-free transitions that come with stock ROMs, because they lack polish. As soon as I saw videos of those animations, I was in love. LOL. Seriously though, lag and lack of animations (which consequently actually help hide lag and load times) are the two things I see holding back the polish of Android. Just as an example (not trying start a flame war here, people), look at the animation when going from portrait to landscape in iOS. Then look at Android's lack thereof. THAT is what Android needs-to actually FEEL faster, not necessarily BE faster. So try something like that if you want the phone to feel more fluid instead of just achieving raw benchmark speed. Again, just my opinion (kind of sad that I feel the need to put that disclaimer in every post lately).
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Also keep in mind that the EVO's Snapdragon CPU was never a problem, it's still competitive even with the newer CPUs (with the exception of the upcoming A9's both single and especially dual core). Most of the "hacks" that raise the Quandrant score over 2000 are just that, hacks. They manipulate the other tests (non-CPU specific ones) to raise the score and make you think that you've just achieved some kind of new level of performance when in fact you'll see pretty much no difference.
Over clocking will help a little but like I said the problem isn't the CPU; a lot of the lag you may see on the EVO is because of the GPU. Nobody has figured out out how to overclock the GPU so over clocking the CPU will make no difference with the GPU. There have been some improvements in the drivers and if you're running CM or MIUI, you already have them. Gingerbread slightly improves some of the core graphics in Android so you'll see a boost over pre-Gingerbread Android but I think what we should all be waiting on is for the new Adreno 200 GPU drivers that Google will release when the OTA 2.3 update for the N1 drops. It wont magically make our EVO's into Nexus S' or anything but I wouldn't be surprised to see a noticeable boost in performance.
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that is interesting.. thanks for the info.
I hope it does open some more performance and maybe a way to overclock the GPU
Im not playing call of duty on my phone or anything. I want efficiency.[/QUOTE said:
Lmao
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Ok I aint joking but seriously what is the point of overclocking a Desire z/G2. Unless I am running on a slow phone I don't see the point. Stock speed never lags and i haven't seen any difference between 1.5 ghz vs 800mhz.
The only time when 1.5ghz clock speed is useful is when i running quadrant and rubbing its scores infront of my friends face.
There is any areas where you can actually see the performance difference?
bluntly, if you dont see the point of it then you don't need it.
For others, sometimes you run alot of stuff in the background and still want to be able to have your main app perform at its best level.
There is also the minute tweaking of speed and snappiness of the interface. The idea of instant reaction when you open your message app, or your email, or anything.
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Ok I aint joking but seriously what is the point of overclocking a Desire z/G2. Unless I am running on a slow phone I don't see the point. Stock speed never lags and i haven't seen any difference between 1.5 ghz vs 800mhz.
The only time when 1.5ghz clock speed is useful is when i running quadrant and rubbing its scores infront of my friends face.
There is any areas where you can actually see the performance difference?
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Heavy multitasking
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flash video seems pretty laggy to me at 800...
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=overclocking
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=overclocking
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Best link ever! I hope i can remember it long enough to use it sometime.
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=overclocking
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Ya i know what overclocking is but I haven't found one instances where I needed it to run an app. G2 is already damn fast and it runs android with no lag but I really see no point until more demanding ver. of android come out.
I just wanted to see who overclocks their G2 everyday and for what purpose.
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Ya i know what overclocking is but I haven't found one instances where I needed it to run an app. G2 is already damn fast and it runs android with no lag but I really see no point until more demanding ver. of android come out.
I just wanted to see who overclocks their G2 everyday and for what purpose.
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Fair question IMHO.
I don't see the difference when overclocking, or rather I don't feel it. Software does make a difference, but not the extra 200-500Mhz. I do feel however the battery drain
It always makes me laugh when somebody asks a legitimate question and you get silly responses like the above 2. It's as if these people feel threatened and have to justify that they are more knowledgeable than the op. The facts of the matter are most of the tweaks, mods and alterations are wholly unnecessary in the real world.
If you don't feel like it makes it better then you don't have to use it. I use it because I feel it makes everything just a little snappier and more instant. If you don't notice a difference that's fine. It's probably trivial for me to notice the little hang ups but I can't help it.
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For me there's several reasons. For the most part, the reason for oc is because you can. But there are practical reasons as well. For example, with the stock ROM running at 800MHz, you're stuck with that. With an oc kernel and using SetCPU or built in clock settings in CM, you can adjust it as needed. Gonna play a game? Bump it up to 1GHz or so. Done with said game? Take it back down to 800MHz. But it's not all about oc. Sometimes there's a need to underclock. Getting low on battery and don't have a charger near by and need to squeeze another hour or two out of it? Maybe take it down to 768MHz or 600MHz (if you're running Pershoot's kernel).
Dungeon Defender:
800 mHz : not fun, laggy
1.5 gHz : fun, graphic are more smooth
Reasons for using over clocking:
Because I can
Because sometimes I do notice the difference in performance of the UI and some applications (wait for Sense 3.0 etc...)
Because I also use it to underclock.
Like everything else, a lot of it is perception. My wife cannot see any difference between our normal cable channels and the HD ones. I can (or am I just trying to convince myself that I can?). Oh well.
Finally some practical and helpful responses, showing an understanding of the need for information from some people.
here's my experience when it comes to overclocking. keep in mind that, like with your computer, it does vary from user to user... so I'm making these statements from MY experience, not making blanket statements regarding all of our devices:
- if you run multiple homescreens with multiple widgets and ui "smoothness," not just aesthetically, but performance-wise as well, is of concern, mild overclocking becomes necessary.
- if you have several apps running at any given time (in background or foreground) and ui smoothness, same definition as above, is of concern, mild overclocking becomes necessary.
- if you run any iteration of a sense rom in any configuration and ui smoothness is of concern, mild overclocking becomes necessary.
- if you run PSX/N64 emulators and you don't want audio distortion or general lagginess, more aggressive (in my case, 1209 is a safe speed for maximizing performance without having a drastic effect on battery life) overclocking becomes necessary.
on AOSP builds, especially gingerbread-based, I don't think there is a necessity for more processing power than what we get from the factory if you're running a relatively slim setup and aren't using something like a PSX/N64 emulator regularly.
I run mine at 1ghz, but I did use 1.2ghz before. I do notice a slight performance difference. Overall tho I don't notice it much. I notice it more when I'm doing multiple things.
Nonsense!
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Finally some practical and helpful responses, showing an understanding of the need for information from some people.
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For all that you're talking, you have yet to provide anything of value to this conversation while you're sitting up there berating those other 2 posters.
Think about it.
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I run 1.1 because it is noticably faster. Everything opens faster and works smoother. My wife has a stock G2 and when I grab it to look something up on the web or to use maps when we're out, I instantly notice how mucher slower hers is.
Works for me so I use it.
I notice a definite performance boost on mine, but it also depends on which kernel/ROM you use. I was running meXroid for a few days and found that it got extremely laggy even overclocked with Flippy's kernel built in (1.9Ghz), plus my battery was dying faster than a Chuck Norris joke. PyroMod has always been reliable for me and I flashed back to 2.0 earlier and it's just as reliable and power-saving as ever.
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For all that you're talking, you have yet to provide anything of value to this conversation while you're sitting up there berating those other 2 posters.
Think about it.
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Thanks for that.
This phone screams at 1.5ghz, why do people feel the need to overclock?
Overclocking in the long run can damage your phone; is this CPU capable of it?
Also, the technology in this should be capable of running everything underclocked, don't you think?
I had a sensation before and had to overclock that to make it usable. This phone requires no such thing. I would underclock this to increase battery life because I know it's still going to be just as smooth!
So there are my thoughts, sorry about the disorganized manner by which I worded and placed them. Discuss
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Overclock is rarly needed but feels good.lol.cant resist the urge:*)
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I completely agree with you. It runs so smooth and fast as it is I see no reason to bother overclocking.
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Agree, OC is not a Mod I need with this fast bad boy!
Even with overclocking on my SIII and Galaxy nexus it still wasn't even close to as smooth as this N4 is without any mods at all. Overclocking is not necessary for this beast. The only reason I would flash a new kernel would be to possibly fix the on screen coloring to be less washed out but even that doesn't bother me.
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Even with overclocking on my SIII and Galaxy nexus it still wasn't even close to as smooth as this N4 is without any mods at all. Overclocking is not necessary for this beast. The only reason I would flash a new kernel would be to possibly fix the on screen coloring to be less washed out but even that doesn't bother me.
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Could try this if you're rooted. I'm not, so can't test with stock kernel:
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Undervolted (-100mv) and underclocked to 1.026Ghz, still runs smooth as ever, so my answer would be "No."
And after reading about people getting the red LED of death, I'm not keen to OC even if it was needed. I did so on my GNexus but the CPU in that was terrible IMO.
stock kernel is feel warm when use for awhile, so im not even bother to oc, not trying to ruin this beautiful baby
Simple answer, no. Unless you are a tinkerer or live in a cold weather climate and want a really hot hand warmer
Shouldnt overclocking make it slower? The phone throttles itself pretty hard at the slightest heat increase. If the phone was underclocked it would perform better in benchmarks because it wouldnt get throttled.
Besides I never understood the point of overclocking top end things that far exceed the requirements of current applications. Its not like there are any apps that run too slow. I only overclock my computer after it becomes too slow to handle modern tasks.
Let's overclock to 2.5ghz for the hell of it. We need to own the benchmarks.
Joshua3109 said:
I had a sensation before and had to overclock that to make it usable. This phone requires no such thing. I would underclock this to increase battery life because I know it's still going to be just as smooth!
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I had a sensation too, and when that was first released there were threads asking why people felt the need to overclock that.
The dilemma is that clock speed has very small impact on battery compared to the screen, and the wake lock issue that sucks power in your pocket does not help either. so more clock speed appears to contribute very little to total battery usage.
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Undervolted (-100mv) and underclocked to 1.026Ghz, still runs smooth as ever, so my answer would be "No."
And after reading about people getting the red LED of death, I'm not keen to OC even if it was needed. I did so on my GNexus but the CPU in that was terrible IMO.
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Running at 1.026GHz you should be able to undervolt to -400 or more. That's what mine is running at.
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Undervolted (-100mv) and underclocked to 1.026Ghz, still runs smooth as ever, so my answer would be "No."
And after reading about people getting the red LED of death, I'm not keen to OC even if it was needed. I did so on my GNexus but the CPU in that was terrible IMO.
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I think red led of death is caused by stock charger!
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I think red led of death is caused by stock charger!
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I've gotten it without the stock charger and with.
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I want to overclock mine since it doesn't handle NDS emulating (well, one game I want to play) very well.