If you are unhappy with the phone, is it because of the phone or Android?
Epic popped my cherry. I was waiting for a wp7 device until I heard it was 2011 for sprint. Android as a os is better than I expected. The samsung half of things has some rough edges but I knew that going in.
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My smartphone path started with a Motorola Q9C which got me addicted to a physical keyboard. Next was a HTC Mogul, then a Touch Pro which I held on to forever until the Epic. As ready as I was to move off of the Touch Pro there really hadn't been anything with a physical keyboard until the Epic that tempted me.
There are some things I miss about Windows Mobile, and one or two things I don't like about the Epic, but the good outnumbers the bad.
I went from a Vogue, to a Diamond to a TP2. However, this isn't my first Android rodeo exactly. I'd toyed with it off and on on all 3 phones. Most recently I was running the increasingly-polished 2.2 build on my TP2. It was still missing a few key features, but had been my full-time platform in the final month I used the TP2.
I also recently went back and installed the fully native Android that runs off internal memory on the Vogue so my daughter could have something to play with for games/apps and movies on trips, etc. It doesn't have a data plan though so once the TP2 Android build gets close to the level of maturity the Vogue has I'll likely do the same thing with it as it at least has wifi and a much better screen.
I definitely fall on the power user side of things, but I've curiously had no itch whatsoever to root my Epic or try a different shell/launcher yet.
See the sig.
Ya its my first and I love android! I've had winmo 6.1 and 6.5 on my mogul, tp, and tp2 now epic!! Android is where its at! Ha
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I just finally upgraded my treo 700p and went with the epic.
What can I say...
WOW.
Just upgraded from my old Mogul that I've had since launch. I'm still learning my way around Android, and don't want to pay for any UI apps until froyo drops. So far, so good, though I liked the Mogul's keys better.
I started out with the HTC Hero, then went to the HTC EVO (shortly took it back cause it was definitely not worth the money... worst phone I've ever used), shortly after I traded my defective Hero in for the Samsung Moment while waiting for the Epic. The Epic is by far the best phone I have ever used!
The Epic is my first Android device. Came from a Blackberry Curve that was my first smartphone. I definitely miss the workhorse BB but I love the Epic. Battery on the old Curve was awesome compared to the Epic but I never really go to long without having a place to charge so it's not an issue. I swore by BB for email and messaging but the lack of a decent web browser really sealed it's fate. Even after I saw the new OS 6 I wasn't impressed. I don't think I'll ever go back to a BB. Android is far easier to use and much more customizable. And it's not locked down in a black turtleneck.
I started vogue, to diamond, touch pro, then issues with that went into a tp2, got evo gave to my girl, got epic ... typically HTC. Has been my thing I do like the epic but there are times where I find myself thinking... why did I pay this much for this again. I may be spoiled but I was honestly expecting a bit more. Maybe its the somewhat shortage of development or perhaps my inability to motivate myself in learning all the quirks of android since I spent three years learning the winmo cooking roms and all that.... overall 8/10 on epic but 4/10 on samsung brand overall....
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I upgraded to the Epic after having a Sidekick 2008 for like 2 years and let me tell you: no comparison. I have experience with kernel and the source code so this whole Android whatchamadoodle works out a whole lot better for me. Loving the Epic, loving Android ;-)
The epic is my first adroid phone and I'll be an android fan for life as well as a samsung fan. I came from an instinct to the epic. I love this phone and I love this platform. I just wish the battery life was better.
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epic is my first android phone. I came from the iphone3g and was just getting sick of apple's closed system policy in general. It's a great gadget when it's jailbroken, but it's a ****ty phone. I was going to wait out my contract and go to whatever the best android phone was going to be on the market, but the month leading up to the release of the epic saw nearly daily dropped calls and complete loss of data on multiple occasions. So anyway, had it since launch and have been very happy since. (Just wish my damn screen wouldn't wobble )
Nope, first Android phone was the G1, which I had for a little over two years. Love Android and got hooked on the modding community. I'm mixed on the phone, the processor and stuff are great, keyboard and battery life could be better.
Started with the mogul -> vogue -> diamond -> evo -> epic
I gave the evo to my sis.
Cons:
I do miss some of the features from the evo, ie kickstand/hdmi out
bit bulky, I don't really need the keyboard and would have preferred a keyboard-less like the fascinate but sadly we don't have that option.
GPS issue is horrid compared to my experience with the other phones.
Some quirks here and there like the capacitive button placement is different.
No dock that I know of.
Pros:
good graphical performance and pretty snappy.
the color saturation/contrast is great
keyboard is a very good when used.
I like the notification screen control panel at the top. Better than having to use widgets.
Overall:
Satisfied. The epic is not perfect but I am happy with it. It was a significant step up from the diamond but more of a sidestep from the Evo. If they addressed all my cons, then it'd be the nearly perfect phone for me; but until then the epic will suffice.
My first android phone was the intercept then I saw the epic and switched
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My 1st Android phone was a dark dark time in my life. Unfortunately in a moment of stupidity, I impulse bought the Moment without reading up on it. That phone made me want to die inside every time it rang. Sprint burnt me on the 30 day thing (long story) so I was pretty well boned. I hated Sprint, Samsung and Android because of that horrific piece of hardware.
After 5 Moments I couldn't stand it anymore and I picked up the Epic (at retail pricing) shortly after it came out and was completely impressed - until I found out that phone freaked out when uploading. Not wanting to get burnt again, I returned my 1st Epic. I loved the phone otherwise but that upload problem was a show stopper.
Low and Behold - Sprint and Samsung actually fixed the problem with DI18! After the torment I went through on the Moment I really wasn't optimistic but holy hell, this new one works! Maybe Samsung/Sprint learned something from the Moment. I was so excited to have a working Android w/ keyboard on Sprint I actually bought 2 of them to rid my wife of her aging blackberry as well. It's a little bulky, but I always wanted a palmtop computer.
My 1st Android experience was a colossal clusterfudge, but the DI18 Epic won me back. I'll be destroying the Moment with extreme prejudice in mid to late November. I'll be sure to catch it on video to share with everyone on the Moment forums.
First smart phone was a palm pre. Liked many of my wife's phone a htc hero features. Bought me a htc evo. Later I saw the epic and passed on my evo to the wife. Had a ipod with ios which is simular to a iphone ios and I must say that android is a lot better. I love android!
Epic is my first Android phone and I couldn't be happier. Also still have and use my Palm Pre but even overclocked to the max, the stock Epic is so fast. I like lots of the aspects of the Pre but the Epic is digital crack for me!
Have used I Phone 3 & 4, Evo & Droid with friends and they too agree the Epic is way faster and sexier. No phone is perfect but this phone is damn close.
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Question:
I had the HD2 until my neighbor dropped it in the pool the night before last (yes, I tried all the tricks to dry it out). It's dead.
He's gonna' replace it. So money isn't the issue (tho' the slide would save him about $20). I've had the HD2 since it was released two months ago, and had a g1 before that. So I'm familiar with both phones and OS's.
Question:
Should I get another HD2 or go with the Slide?
I know that specs on the HD2 kick-booty, but I really don't care for the Windows Mobile as the backbone behind Sense. The WM selection of apps/games is really poor and it seems like an OS gasping for life with little support from Microsoft.
If you were me.........?
slideeee!!! got mine yesterday, been a die hard mt3g user since it came out, rooted it and all... until my sd card slot decided to magically not work anymore yesterday, and i had to get a different solution. Loving the slide, think it'll be my favorite for years, and hopefully within the week it gets rooted ^^
I think the HD2 is a superior piece of hardware all around. I do not like WinMo and will not use a WinMo phone. I was hoping someone would be able to run the HD2 with root and Android but that seems quite a way off. As for the Slide (Espresso) phone; I am returning the 2 I've purchased because they are collecting dust under the screen. Man am I upset about it because I really liked the performance and setup of the phone. I would wait to check out a Samsung Galaxy S that will run Android but I'm extremely skeptical of Samsung's products and support for their devices. Looks like I will be using my rooted G1 for some time to come. I'm actually considering leaving Tmo due to the superior HTC devices available on other carriers. Honestly I say save your money and wait for a proper HTC Android device to be released. I have spoken to several people who own the Slides and the dust issue is happening to them as well.
The slide hands down. My wife had the hd2 for about a week and took it back. She didn't like the battery life, keyboard cause it would miss type a lot even after calibration. And it might be me but I have heard all those 4.3 screen phones have had poor battery life. If u loved ur g1then u will love the slide. I get around 12hrs of use out of it a day and I'm a heavy user I'm always online. If anything buy a slide try it for a few days and see if u like.
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i had the hd2
battery SUCKS
i have the slide
i like it better haha
slide ftw?
Slide
I had the HD2 as well. I wanted to love it, I really did, but coming from a rooted G1, it just didn't work as well. WinMo was terrible, but the quality of the HD2 hardware was great. If it had another OS on it, it could've been a great phone. I returned it a few days later. I recently bought the slide and I absolutely love it. It's a great, slick phone, and I love the keyboard. It doesn't hurt that it's ridiculously fast and also has some graphics muscle as well
Slide and HD2 are 2 very different beasts. First thing you have to think of is what APPs you plan to run on it. Sorry to point it out but HD2 uses WinMo and the Slide (I'm sure you know by now) is Linux based. I would suggest look at the forums or do some research. Check the Apps section as to what would benefit you and what wouldn't. I use the HD2 for work due to applications I use that isn't supported by ANDROID yet. And then there's WinMo 6 that is fading away. But that's what XDA is for D), hats off to the CHEFS and DEVS. They are both wonderful phones except for some quality control issues that has been brought up lately. Don't worry almost all phones has this. Also don't go purchasing the HD2 again thinking that Linux would be running on it pretty soon. Reality is it might take a long time for this to happen. Use the Touch Pro 2 as an example, they are able to run Linux on it but not the complete functionality of the phone is there yet. Just use your BUYER's REMORSE period wisely.
Good Luck in your endeavor.
i had a mytouch 3g, then decided to get and hd2 because of the hardware. i tried so hard to love it, but i couldnt. so i recently switched to the slide and havent looked back. honestly the hd2 might have the hardware advantage but if you cant use it for anything other than basic phone uses, its pointless. the slide does everything my hd2 did and more minus the large screen.
If you want apps = mt3gs
no apps = hd2
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If you want apps = mt3gs
no apps = hd2
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I beg to differ, there are still apps for the HD2 or I should say WinMo. Just google it.
As of the moment, phone systems I work with don't even have apps for android and yet have them for WinMo (softphones). It all depends on what apps you are looking for. For me WinMo is more for business oriented applications.
SLIDE SLIDE SLIDE !!!
I bought an HD2 for my girl, she hated it...
I played with it for 2 days and hated it.
Traded it for a Nexus one and bought my girl a slide.
Lets just say, It was a great night for the BOTH of us
My dad just returned his HD2 within the grace period for the slide. The phone lived on the charger. Ive posted this here somewhere before about the HD2 but yea, he was that type that would have BT WiFi and GPS all enabled on his G1 and it would still last him the entire day. He doesnt text and doesnt use the internet on it much, just talk yet the HD2 needed a recharge at least once a day. The UI was also crazy for him to learn, and for some reason the on screen keyboard sucked, like the one on the slide is easier to way easier to use. Dont know if its because the screen was so wide that to type with one hand you had to stretch and reach or what
Having worked for T-Mobile I can tell you that people with the Slide are FAR more happier with it than those who get the HD2. About half of the HD2s that are sold have issues and end up being returned. The Slide is a damn good device and better all around. I know there are some that rattle on all day about hardware, but what good is it if you have to keep cleaning out memory, charging, and pulling out the battery cause it froze up? The Slide works, hardware or not.
I have both
I have both the HD2 and the Slide. I am currently on my 3rd HD2 ... 1 Warranty and 1 Insurance replacement. (cracked camera lense).
I wanted the HD2 for the Screen, and the Winmo integration with Windows, I felt it would be easier for me to master as my first smart phone. What I hate about Winmo is the lack of apps. Setting up Exchange Active sync is alot more buggy than I thought. My experience with the HD2 and the link to the TMO network is far from being desireable. HD2 camera is a SOLID performer. Everything else about the phone I love. So while I was waiting for the insurance replacement I bought a slide.
Mytouch slide - nice phone, easy to use, love the Qwerty Keyboard, but it also has Swype and touch keyboard as well. Love the App choices I have. Sync'd better with my Exchange server the 1st time than the HD2 did on any of the subsequent resets I had to do. Screen is small. If you forget to lock the screen, you always pressing something you didnt intend on. I like the Hd2 touch screen better. Camera is sketchy at best for a 5MP ... in fact I would say it has the worst 5MP camera on a phone I have owned. (Moto ZN5 was the other one I owned).
If I had to choose ... I would switch to sprint and get an EVO
Lol seriously like a lot of things about both, but for now Droid wins.
Get The Slide!!!
I have the HD2 and hate it
i had a G1 and iPhone before.
Slide hands down!
decision made...thanks everyone
SWell....I have owned the Slide for about a week now. I did NOT make a mistake. It's soooo much better, we ended up selling my boyfriends HD2 and now both have the slide. Sense on the HD2 helped, but it just still felt like WMobile trying too hard. I miss the large screen a little, but that's it. No buyers regrets.
Thanks everyone!
Coming from a guy who went from the Wing - > mytouch -> mytouch slide
i thought windows mobile was amazing till i touched a android phone, the only reason i didnt like my original mytouch was because it lagged to much, but with the slide, its alot faster than i expected and so far has been great.
i came from winmo and iphone.. and i can tell you this phone's hardware and OS tops em all,
issues i am not having with this phone:
Battery problems (am i the only one)
Screen issues
4G & connection issues
Volume level
Contacts r perfect
Memory
CPU
issues i am having with this phone:
Absolutely none.
there you have it, a completely happy htc/android user.
+1 I agree!!
(+1 * 20) ^10 for the EVO.
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+1 best phone i've ever owned, so glad I ditched the iPhone
the HTC Hero is the best phone I ever owned!!!!!
Cant wait to get the EVO and LOVE it.
Might as well add to the joy. LOL +1 on EVO awesomeness. EAGERly waiting new and improved ROMs from these Devs. <33!!$#%$^[email protected]& xD
Its certainly not perfect, nothing is, but I'm very happy with it.
I'm very very very happy with my EVO. I'm CONSTANTLY showing it off on how fast it is and the features.
No issues with my EVO either. Great so far.
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I'm very very very happy with my EVO. I'm CONSTANTLY showing it off on how fast it is and the features.
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Yes! Showing it off to my friends all the time!
I LOVE my Evo ! ! !
LMAO!...you guys are a trip!
I also love my phone though!.....No problems here! :knocks on wood:
........cept for the freakin' 30fps issue Which i have faith in XDA, to fix it :-D
+1 here gives me better batter life than my g1 ever did now. Bluetooth, pandora, wifi, and ~ 2:20 hrs of talk time while still multitasking fast is priceless had a run at my battery for 8hrs up to 33% battery before i charged again....
Showing it off everywhere as well and people get amazed at how well it works, everyone wants a piece of it.
Will finally root it when the 30 days are over in case anything goes wrong, but so far best phone ever.
Man I got full flash, WiFi tethering, using rockplayer I can play downloaded divx and mkv files, and hdmi out to my 60" screen. I can understand ppl freaking out about the 30fps issues. But so far I see no impact on the previously mentioned
Tasks and I am pretty sure the devs will come up with a fix soon... if u want to use ur phone all day long get the 3800mah battery that also coming out soon..
Don't get brainwashed by Apple again like the rest of the iPhone owners.
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had mine for a little over a week now, and think this is definitely the most powerful phone on the market at the moment. this is my first Android phone (coming from winmo 6.1), and I am truly impressed with Android and the speed of this phone. the display is incredible too...I could never go back to a small display again, and my winmo phone was 3.8 inches!
now bring on froyo!!
I may have issues, but I love this phone, i'm not leaving it for anything.
gotta get in on the Evo love-fest.. but +1 for the OP..this is by FAAARR the best phone i have owned.... and i have owned a LOT of them (including iphone, BBs and winmo).
Yes, there are "issues"... but.. unlike ANY other platform.. we wont have to wait for the manufacturer to fix them cause we have a community of BA devs that will prob take care of the issue before HTC actually admits that it IS a problem...
For those still complaining about battery... Have you had experience on any other android?? For what this phone does, battery life is on par with my MyTouch 3G and WAY WAY WAY WAY more powerful and better in anyway.. unfortunately, until google fixes the battery drain issues in ANdroid... just sit back and enjoy the amazing phone you have in your hands (buy a car charger and an extra USB cable to keep with you)..
Just my 2cents...
+1 I love mine as well...
+1 I also love my EVO...
I am very happy with the phone. Nothing is ever perfect and some people can't accept that. They bounce around from phone to phone only to finally succumb to that realization.
I eyed the Motorola X as well. But its just an EVO in sheeps clothing
I am sure by Fall I will have a new phone.
The only thing I would love to see from the CDMA world is the ability to switch on and off other phones on the same number. Kinda of like a SIM CHIP. With AT&T I had 3 phones that I could use whenever I felt like it.
When I knew I was going to be out for a while and away from a charger I would use my BB BOLD. IPHONE & HTC Desire(850mhz) when I wanted to tool around.
I just sold my Verizon Incredible and moved it to an Data Line for my Laptop with a built in Wireless Mobile Broad Band. It does offer the best coverage all around.
I just installed the Evolution v7 with Sprint VVM, Flash 10.1 and a few tweaks and won't got back to 2.1 - at least for the moment.
It's great to have a forum that has so many intelligent developers helping out the community.
+1 for the Evo, but was also blown away by the Andoird OS in general. Really sleek and intelligent under the hood. I was scared to move to it at first, and now I feel stupid for ever even hesitating...
And I also really like HTC Sense. Very well done in my book Made the migration from WinMo completely painless.
I searched through the forums quite a bit and even good but have yet to find anything specific. I'm not sure which phone to get since I can not find a rooted comparison.
Please read about my HTC Hero and my original thoughts here:
jpklink.blogspot.com
Main Points:
Weight and size are not an issue: Glass screen is a +
Price is not an issue.
Standard Mini USB charging is a +
Battery life is not so important.
Texting Speed is 100% most important item - my hero can not keep up with my fingers and it is beyond frustrating.
I know this is the Epic forum so I can't say I don't expect you to be bias, but it would be nice to hear anything at all. Just wanted to hear how the phones compare as BOTH rooted devices with all speed benefits.
As of now the epic has an issue where it will miss keys on the physical keyboard every so often. Txlexting speed is also very important to me (I have an epic) and I have been dissappinted with the physical keyboard to say the least. That being said, the evo does not even have a physical keyboard and you could use any keyboard from the evo on the epic. The app "Smart keyboard" is the best of all that I have tried. The screen on the epic is also substantially better than the evo. The evo gets updates before the epic because it is an htc phone so that is always something to consider. Good luck.
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If you fancy yourself with modding then an Evo is a clear cut winner. There are much more Roms, Mods, and source codes are always released first for HTC phones. Samsung has a history of not really supporting their devices. Epic is no exception. And if you look at the news today in the Android world, signs point to Samsung focusing on supporting Windows 7 phones in 2011 while Android will slowly move to the back seat. http: //phandroid.com/2010/11/22/samsung-focusing-more-on-windows-7-in-2011-but-will-it-matter/
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And if you look at the news today in the Android world, signs point to Samsung focusing on supporting Windows 7 phones in 2011 while Android will slowly move to the back seat. http: //phandroid.com/2010/11/22/samsung-focusing-more-on-windows-7-in-2011-but-will-it-matter/
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Damn
Samusung needs to give up on smartphones because they have no clue what their doing.
They have great screens & top notch processor but missing the most important factors. QC & SUPPORT!!!
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Damn
Samusung needs to give up on smartphones because they have no clue what their doing.
They have great screens & top notch processor but missing the most important factors. QC & SUPPORT!!!
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Yeah you can tell how tarded they are by them having the hottest phone on the planet and neglecting it.
MLHickey:
Actually, I completely forgot to mention, I don't know that I would use the keyboard much anyway. I guess if it was there, I may start to use it, but I like the touch screen keyboard, I'm quite fast with them. In fact I still use T9 a LOT, especially while I'm driving. So as far as the keyboard goes, not a huge pro/con for me. When I mention texting speeds, I just want the phone to be able to keep up with me. My experience with the HTC hero is bad in the sense that I'll be waiting every few words for the phone to catch up so I can check for errors before continuing to type.
imwillzillla:
Those are some really good points! So if I root the Evo with a custom rom, the speeds will be comparable to a rooted epic? And how come HTC stuff comes out first/sooner? Just because the phone has been out longer?
Windows 7... ew. Those are definitely some good points. Do HTC updates and that matter much if I'm installing a custom ROM?
Thanks guys.
Note: I heard the Evo now comes stocked with something that prevents it from being rooted and still today they've yet to break it. Any truth to this?
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MLHickey:
Note: I heard the Evo now comes stocked with something that prevents it from being rooted and still today they've yet to break it. Any truth to this?
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My Evo is a week old and UnrEVOked worked fine for me.
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My Evo is a week old and UnrEVOked worked fine for me.
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Great news. I've been leaning towards the evo... looks like it's decided. Thanks again MLHickey.
Last note is, should I wait for early 2011 in case HTC releases something crazy. I mean, I can live on my HTC hero a few more months if I need to.
Just thought as an epic owner Im obligated to reply. The choice is a hard one, but the epic is faster, a better screen (even if slightly smaller) and since its basically stock android doesnt need roms like cynagen to be super fast and its only slightly thicker then the evo. You also get better battery life on the epic.
As for the keyboard, its really not that bad, and a keyboard is better then nothing at times when touch typing just isnt working out as planned.
I had the same hard decesion and luckily when I was visiting home a few weeks ago I got to play with my parents evo. Don't let the benchmarks fool you, the epic is much faster, plus that screen, you get size shock from the evo, but color and contrast shock from the epic. Plus you can install htcs awesome on screen keyboard on the epic. Its the best of all worlds in my book. The evo will have faster updates though, but really.. updates are almost superficial because by time android 2.2 is unsupported should they stop there you will likely be getting a new phone. Gps might or might not work better on the evo, some epics are fine, others aren't.
Just my 2 cents.
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Just thought as an epic owner Im obligated to reply. The choice is a hard one, but the epic is faster, a better screen (even if slightly smaller) and since its basically stock android doesnt need roms like cynagen to be super fast and its only slightly thicker then the evo. You also get better battery life on the epic.
As for the keyboard, its really not that bad, and a keyboard is better then nothing at times when touch typing just isnt working out as planned.
I had the same hard decesion and luckily when I was visiting home a few weeks ago I got to play with my parents evo. Don't let the benchmarks fool you, the epic is much faster, plus that screen, you get size shock from the evo, but color and contrast shock from the epic. Plus you can install htcs awesome on screen keyboard on the epic. Its the best of all worlds in my book. The evo will have faster updates though, but really.. updates are almost superficial because by time android 2.2 is unsupported should they stop there you will likely be getting a new phone. Gps might or might not work better on the evo, some epics are fine, others aren't.
Just my 2 cents.
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But what about Epic's ugly azz cool color temperature?! Whites look grey on it, screen has blue tint... sorry, photographer coming out in me, but Evo's colors are much more accurate.
quote: "especially while I'm driving. " i dont care what phone you have, this is dangerous and very stupid. please refrain from texting while driving.
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Just thought as an epic owner Im obligated to reply. The choice is a hard one, but the epic is faster, a better screen (even if slightly smaller) and since its basically stock android doesnt need roms like cynagen to be super fast and its only slightly thicker then the evo. You also get better battery life on the epic.
As for the keyboard, its really not that bad, and a keyboard is better then nothing at times when touch typing just isnt working out as planned.
I had the same hard decesion and luckily when I was visiting home a few weeks ago I got to play with my parents evo. Don't let the benchmarks fool you, the epic is much faster, plus that screen, you get size shock from the evo, but color and contrast shock from the epic. Plus you can install htcs awesome on screen keyboard on the epic. Its the best of all worlds in my book. The evo will have faster updates though, but really.. updates are almost superficial because by time android 2.2 is unsupported should they stop there you will likely be getting a new phone. Gps might or might not work better on the evo, some epics are fine, others aren't.
Just my 2 cents.
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Is your two cents from owning both? My battery lasts way longer than my girls epic
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Is your two cents from owning both? My battery lasts way longer than my girls epic
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I'm not tryna sound biased but u gotta be kidding me.. maybe ur gf's usage is much higher.. honestly 4 of my friends have evo's and whenever we're chilling on either of our houses, they fight over the charger.. although my epic is rooted and has custom rom+kernel and their evo doesn't but even b4 i rooted mine i had much better battery life..
The keyboard on this thing is not great, but it beats having none. WPM will not be high with this keyboard, although accuracy is not bad. Still, coming from a Hero, I really like having a keyboard now.
The main gripe is Samsung's poor support, small ROM, and the gps on this thing.
If you text a lot, this should still be your choice as it is faster than virtual keyboards.
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Is your two cents from owning both? My battery lasts way longer than my girls epic
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Lets be a smarta$$ about it.
Anyways.
No. I have asked about the Evo's battery life and I quite frequently hear it hardly makes it through the day from people who DO own them. I've had mine unplugged with moderate use and plenty of calls since 7am and its at 40% right now at 11PM. Now to be fair.. my Epic is rooted with the battery sucking processes from Sprint/Samsung cut out, the Evo's i've heard about are stock. If both were rooted you'd probably cut similar results.
They both have 1500MAH batteries, they will both be roughly the same if you cut the fat out of each I imagine.
As for the screen, yeah the colors are not as accurate, but you're not going to notice, they have a cooler look to them which bothers the heck out of graphics designers and the like heh heh but really.. it's still stunning in comparison to the evo, but thats just MY opinion.
You really need to go into the Sprint store and play with both as much as you can.... you really can't go wrong with either of them and their pro's and con's split pretty evenly.
1) for the keyboard issue..try disabling Swype and use the hardware kb.
2) Epic even with the custom roms we have is doing fairly well...I mean take all the custom roms on the EVO and the Epic and you'll notice there isn't too much difference...most of the advantages EVO had was gotten from the Nexus One which hopefully we will get from the Nexus S.
3) You can do a bunch with custom roms on the EVO to make it run smoother but It'll never run as smooth as the epic.
4) The colors can't be more accurate on the EVO because its only 64k colors..if anything Droid X has probably the most accurate colors...but since EVO is only 64k colors it won't be accurate...the Super AMOLED tends to be mroe blue because the blue dies out the fastest...over time it balances itself out...on my device though if I set it to 100% brightness its white as I lower the brightness it turns grayish..but thats what lowering brightness is suppose to do...
5) Yeah.. texting while driving is bad...
6) Battery life varies by your usage..overall though if you configure it best you can on both devices Epic will win.
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Lets be a smarta$$ about it.
Anyways.
No. I have asked about the Evo's battery life and I quite frequently hear it hardly makes it through the day from people who DO own them. I've had mine unplugged with moderate use and plenty of calls since 7am and its at 40% right now at 11PM. Now to be fair.. my Epic is rooted with the battery sucking processes from Sprint/Samsung cut out, the Evo's i've heard about are stock. If both were rooted you'd probably cut similar results.
They both have 1500MAH batteries, they will both be roughly the same if you cut the fat out of each I imagine.
As for the screen, yeah the colors are not as accurate, but you're not going to notice, they have a cooler look to them which bothers the heck out of graphics designers and the like heh heh but really.. it's still stunning in comparison to the evo, but thats just MY opinion.
You really need to go into the Sprint store and play with both as much as you can.... you really can't go wrong with either of them and their pro's and con's split pretty evenly.
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i had to read that twice, he wasnt talkin about you only having two cents... he was referring to owning both phones... just kinda seemed like u took that the wrong way...
Personally, I never got to actually play around with an evo but I will say these things about my epic:
The keyboard, though sometimes annoying, is a great bonus to have for those who text/email/im/fb/whatever a lot. And you can bring the htc keyboard over to the epic as well.
The battery life on custom roms/kernels seems to be better when compared to most evo scenarios (I don't have an evo so don't quote me)
The color temps can be fixed using voodoo color.
The phone DEFINITELY responds better to user input than the evo, hands down (probably due to the evo having so much bloat, and also due to the better built cortex processor)
Updates on the evo happen more quickly, this is very true. But our devs have done a great job fixing MOST of our major issues.
This is a big one that people seem to be failing to mention. The new froyo modems seem to FIX gps PERMANENTLY. I've been running wifi on my epic for days without a reboot and gps is on hot start (not using the cold start workaround) and every time I get a full lock within seconds (using gps status).
All in all, I love my epic and the way it runs thanks to our community, but if you want a more reliable manufacturer (and a community that isn't chock full of spoiled brats who's parents bought them the phone), go with the evo.
If you can deal with the slower updates and the forum nonsense, go with the epic.
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Lol!
I think more kids end up with an epic over an evo just because of the keyboard. Look son it has a keyboard so you can type fast! "OMG L33T AHH! SWEET!" lol..
I wonder how many kids actually are on these forums when I was 12 I wasn't looking for ways to hack my cell phone... then again when I was 12 I think that Motorola "flip" phone that looked like something outta star trek was the most popular one for being so "portable". lol
uhm no, thats why there are sidekicks.. i doubt u will c a kid with an epic or evo..
My upgrade comes through on March 1st.. I've looked into each of these phones with great detail. This is what I've come up with in a nutshell. And I want everyone's professional opinion as ill be using this phone for a year or two.. thx guys and gals..(is there a girl on xda yet? ;p)
Stock pros of shift: pocket friendly, higher quality exterior, possibly more support on xda, I heart HTC.
Stock pros of epic 4g: better battery life, amoled screen, front facing camera, video card for twice the gaming potential
Both are 99.00 on Amazon with upgrade eligibility (so is the evo, but I don't need a tablet just yet, 4" is quite enough for me) .. I use sprint im not switching its cheap.. I'd rather have a steak then slightly improved cell service. I have wifi at home anyways..
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I can feed you two different opinions. Stock or rooted/custom.
I, am one of the firm believers that a phone's true potentional is never stock. Therefor should not be judged on stock.
I will not speak about the epic 4g in terms I do not know, so there will be more opinions on the shift.
Everyday, I hear how small/slow the development is going on the epic.
The epic, without a doubt has a better GPU.
Development, will continue to be pushed on the shift for the next few years no matter what. Think about how long it took the epic to get 2.2, now there is gingerbread and honeycomb....The shift already has gingerbread. Every major release, will come to the shift. While the epic will either not recieve it at all(mixture of samsungs support and the devs dying down, no offense).
In real world performance, there is nothing the shift can't handle right now that's out there that the epic can.(In my opinion, nothing to back this up since I don't know everything that's out there).
The shift, can get fairly incredible battery life, it took me 27hours to hit 31%, using it quite a bit on 245-1.5ghz conservative on the 1.8ghz kernel.
It took rytesyde a lot longer to hit that low on the 1.5ghz kernel(undervolted farther). Point being, if you want to use your phone for a full day, it's fine. If you forget your charger for a weekend, your phone will make it if you don't use it much(Mine drained around 1% an hour when not in use, my overall average was 2.9%/hour on fairly heavy usage).
I know what you mean on the amoled screen, but I really haven't had much of a desire for it unless I was in the bright sun.
I would go with the shift because it has more development and support.....
Although, I would honestly go as far to say the epic has better hardware.
I would say more, but it's 6am and I'm getting sleepy.
edit: Oh, just looked at the froyo epic update. It seems that the update was buggy(surprise from samsung?). They're not very good at updating their devices. It really comes down to, what you want. No one here would discriminate if you went with the epic.
as a former samsung and moment owner. personally i will never own a samsung phone again. the shift just works out of the box. and the devs on the shift just keep making it better. all the deving on the moment couldnt fix all the problems it had. to me the epic isnt anything but a huge moment lol. and from i am reading sprint has already yanked the OTA update to froyo. imagine that lol
HTC > Samsung..that's all..no comparison
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The Keyboard Settled it for Me
I've spent a couple of days on the same question. I finally settled on the Shift.
I stopped by my local Sprint store to get each in my hands. The Epic's keyboard had awful tactile response. I handed it to my son to get his opinion and he handed it back shaking his head. He said he couldn't feel the keys, couldn't tell if they were depressed.
That clarified what I was thinking. The HTC model also felt superior, even w/ the funky keyboard slide. I can't put my finger on why.
The Shift keyboard was much better, even with only 4 rows. I'm coming from a Touch Pro. I'll have to cope w/ missing the 5th row.
It didn't help Epic's cause that I kept coming across threads (ie AndroidForum) about Epic dropping/adding keystrokes.
Epic clearly has a superior GPU. However I wouldn't take advantage of it; in my regular use.
Epic's 1GHz Hummingbird and EvoShift's 800MHz Snapdragon look like a pretty even match; despite the clock difference.
I'd wish for a larger screen on the Shift; but it isn't to be.
Of course I'd also wish for a Dual Core Processor - as long as I'm wishing.
Like the above poster, I don't give the stock ROM any weight because it isn't sticking around. I found a lot more development for the Epic than I would have thought - and less development for the Shift than I would have hoped. But the Shift is recently introduced. It likely needs some time for the chefs to work their magic.
I tried to find reasons to prefer the Epic. But holding actually holding an Epic and a Shift in my hands almost decided it - all by itself.
Looks like I'll be Shifting in a few days.
NV
Want an easy answer to your question? Go over to the epic general section of this forum and read about the latest fiasco and read the general section in the evo shift and compare what the people are talking about.
For example, the epic people finally got an official version of froyo, but to many people, it's worse than the last official version update.
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Want an easy answer to your question? Go over to the epic general section of this forum and read about the latest fiasco and read the general section in the evo shift and compare what the people are talking about.
For example, the epic people finally got an official version of froyo, but to many people, it's worse than the last official version update.
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yeah there are reports of it bricking their phones
The Epic 4G may look like a better phone, specs wise, but Samsung clearly has no idea what they are doing when it comes to software updates. The Froyo update they pushed a few days ago is another in a long line of disasters for them. It was also the last straw for me. I dumped my Epic and went with the Evo Shift. Best decision I ever made. Yeah, the screen is smaller and the processor is a bit slower but, trust me, the Shift is a much nicer experience.
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The Epic 4G may look like a better phone, specs wise, but Samsung clearly has no idea what they are doing when it comes to software updates. The Froyo update they pushed a few days ago is another in a long line of disasters for them. It was also the last straw for me. I dumped my Epic and went with the Evo Shift. Best decision I ever made. Yeah, the screen is smaller and the processor is a bit slower but, trust me, the Shift is a much nicer experience.
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Number wise the processor is slower but performance wise it can meet with the humming bird prossecor or beat it
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Where did u get the pro of the epic having a better battery than the shift? I highly doubt it as I very heavily use my phone and still get an easy 15-17 hrs of use out of it before it starts to get close to 20%
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Where did u get the pro of the epic having a better battery than the shift? I highly doubt it as I very heavily use my phone and still get an easy 15-17 hrs of use out of it before it starts to get close to 20%
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and i doubt the epic gets better battery life than the shift. i doubt it gets better battery life than the POS moment i had
The battery life on the Shift is definitely better than it was on my Epic.
foxsdaddy67 said:
and i doubt the epic gets better battery life than the shift. i doubt it gets better battery life than the POS moment i had
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I'm considering blowing up my old moment.
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Lol yeah a block of C4 and my moment makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside
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I got the battery info from phone arena but I'm sure they use advertised statistics rather then do there own testing... I figured on the shift myself.. honestly I went there and messed with each for like 15 mins.. shift felt better all around.. I posted this on the epic forum as well.. some there suggested waiting for next round of android phones before upgrading. What do you guys think? Is sprint coming out with something worthy of my patience this summer.. I've been using this hero for about 3 years.
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I got the battery info from phone arena but I'm sure they use advertised statistics rather then do there own testing... I figured on the shift myself.. honestly I went there and messed with each for like 15 mins.. shift felt better all around.. I posted this on the epic forum as well.. some there suggested waiting for next round of android phones before upgrading. What do you guys think? Is sprint coming out with something worthy of my patience this summer.. I've been using this hero for about 3 years.
sent from my hero aosp2.2 cause aospcm7 2.3 was not as fast or stable for me.
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ummm, 3 years? You sure about that?
Scent phrum mie fone!
EDIT: My bad 2 years and three months I have been using an android phone that was designed with 1.5 in mind. Started a T-Mobile plan for the mytouch. in between there I did try out webos and even rim again. Sorry westicle you were right for the most part I didn't mean to exaggerate... just feels like forever with all the newer better phones coming for less. When I can still buy this old trusty turd from sprint for more then a shift.
sent from my hero aosp2.2 cause aospcm7 2.3 was not as fast or stable for me.
The hero was released october 2009. That's less than 2 years ago.
Scent phrum mie fone!
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I got the battery info from phone arena but I'm sure they use advertised statistics rather then do there own testing... I figured on the shift myself.. honestly I went there and messed with each for like 15 mins.. shift felt better all around.. I posted this on the epic forum as well.. some there suggested waiting for next round of android phones before upgrading. What do you guys think? Is sprint coming out with something worthy of my patience this summer.. I've been using this hero for about 3 years.
sent from my hero aosp2.2 cause aospcm7 2.3 was not as fast or stable for me.
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i'm still using my opening day touch pro, and hittin f5 on every mobile site trying to find out if i should wait or get something. it's brutal.
well i traded my epic for a shift days before the official froyo came out for the epic
i was a little weary giving up the 'more expensive hyped' device for the shift despite a generous cash supplement w/ the trade
but oh baby...now that i hear the epic froyo is failing i am happy to be off the samsung failboat
my shift came loaded with a 1.5ghz rom so i never tested stock htc
the battery life of the shift was underpar to the epic at first
but now that i am running bcnice kernel with mikshift i am easily surpassing the epic battery performance
i liked the shift more from the moment it was in my hand regardless of all other factors
and now its running faster/smoother/longer than the epic ever was
my biggest pet peeves of the shift:
1) no number row on the hardware keyboard...you have to double press the fn key
this is a huge pain in the ass as i enter numbers all day with lots of spaces in between...logging error codes on the machines i service...uhg...
i'm slowly migrating to the input panel but i hate input panels mostly
if i was an input panel fan i would have bought an evo...duh
but you cant have everything
2) the volume buttons are a little close to the center of the phone
had to remap the volume down to 'nothing' because i was always pressing it
all i really hope for in the future is that htc releases an android version of the old wm mogul...i loved the rocker switch/scroll...and no other phone has ever replaced that devices satisfaction with 13 hardware buttons in addition the hardware keyboard...and dedicated hardware wifi switch...please HTC wake up and smell success
HTC M3 - Android dual-core qwerty phone w/ rocker switch,5-row kb & endless buttons
yes please
I have decided to get an evo shift if i have the money in time. And i was just wondering, how much do you like it?
On a scale from 1 to 10 a 12
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wow, do you think it comes close to an epic?
arachnomancer said:
wow, do you think it comes close to an epic?
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Kills the Epic.. IMO
i agree, the epic was good for a time, but, samsung stinks at giving out updates, htc sense looks WAY better than touchwiz. all in all,evo shift rocks!!!!!!!!!
my 2 cents...
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I have decided to get an evo shift if i have the money in time. And i was just wondering, how much do you like it?
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My first android phone was the HTC Droid Eris, which I loved. Prior to the HTC Droid Eris I had a HTC Pocket PC with Window mobile 5.0. I loved the HTC phone but hated the operating system. I actually down graded to non-smart phones (two LG) and found they were better then the windows mobile os. Anyway, after the HTC Droid Eris I switched to Sprint and my only option for a real keyboard was the Samsung Moment. Lets just say I dumped my Samsung Moment before I was due for an upgrade and ran straight back to HTC. I love my HTC Evo Shift.
In my experience, Samsung does a poor job of paying attention to the small details that shouldn't be forgotten. The Samsung Moment's touch screen sensitivity was total crap. I found my self having to almost pound on the Samsung Moment's Screen. When I switched to the HTC Evo Shift the touch screen sensitivity was great. The Samsung Moment forgot the haptic feedback with the touch sensitive menu, home, and back buttons at the bottum of the phone. Really?! Now I can't really compare the two phones completely since the htc evo shift is definitely better regarding hardware, but I can tell you that my first experience with Samsung phones is that they are not very good with their designs. To be honest I was so completely turned off to Samsung phones that I didn't even give Samsung's newer Android devices a chance. I was told by a Sprint repair rep that generally HTC and LG make better phones then Samsung.
Don't let the 800mhz rating on the processor fool you. This phone is fast. In fact, per pdadb-dot-net, the processor in the HTC Evo Shift has an clock frequency range of 800mhz to 1,000mhz. According to Phil Nickinson writing for androidcentral, "Power under the hood
And the Shift has quite a bit of muscle, with Qualcomm's single-core MSM7630 processor running at 800MHz. It's worth repeating at this point that you shouldn't read too much into the Shift's processor running at 800MHz instead of the 1GHz chip we see in other HTC phones, including the original EVO 4G. It's a different architecture. Think of water rushing through a pipe. The pipe's larger on the Shift, so you can push more water (data) without having to push it as fast. It's more efficient. Add to that the 512MB of RAM and 2GB of ROM on which to store applications, and you won't be worried about whether you've got enough muscle to get the job done. In daily use, it's fast, fast, fast."
My personal opinion, skip Samsung and go with HTC. No phone is perfect, but I have found that HTC does a good job of producing good hardware for any smartphone os, in general. I also have found that HTC support generally stands by their product and I have had positive experiences with HTC support when I had my HTC Pocket PC.
The 2GB of ROM is a lie.
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Like it!
I'm quite pleased with my Shift!
Pro's:
-Nice hardware keyboard
-GREAT battery life
-Pretty sturdy
-Screen size (800x480 resolution, which is the same as the EVO, packed into a smaller screen--pixel density isn't quite iPhone-like, but it looks great to me!)
-CPU
Con's:
-A bit on the chunky side (size/form factor is about the same as the original Droid/Droid 2)
-Display isn't QUITE as nice as others (SAMOLED...)
-HTC Sense (Don't take my word for it though; some people love the Sense UI, but I think a custom ROM without it feels way snappier and more fun to use)
My advice? It really depends on your preferences. If a hardware keyboard is a must-have for you, then get this phone! I think you'll be very happy with it, and I doubt there's any other keyboard-equipped android phones headed Sprint's way any time soon. If you don't quite need a hardware keyboard, then I say WAIT. The EVO 3D is scheduled to land in the summer. A 4.3" screen is just too big to hang with, you say? I've also heard (somewhat reliable) rumors floating around about another HTC with a 4" screen (basically a Sprint version of the Incredible S landing around the same time). So in just a short while, you will have options galore!
I love mine except for the inadequate battery it comes with.
My thoughts on the phone...
I love the phone.....before it I had the Samsung Epic.....it was nice for a short while until you use it enough to find all the little problems with it.....i did not like the Epic's keyboard.....on the other hand I love my shift.....HTC Sense is ok......but if you don't like it there is CM7......I love the Shift's keyboard and HTC has great customer service....Samsung does not keep up on the phones that are already put out.....if there is a problem they just put out a new phone (Samsung Moment-Intercept-Transform) and leave the people that have the older phones behind with all sorts of problems......HTC is the best android phone maker for sprint I have found...hope this helps
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I love mine except for the inadequate battery it comes with.
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??? I get like 16 hours easy, probably could last a day and a half just sending txts, few calls and some internet browsing
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??? I get like 16 hours easy, probably could last a day and a half just sending txts, few calls and some internet browsing
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Ikr....my shift last all day with just sending text messages....the only problem i have with the battery is if i loose sprint service and it searches or if i need to use it i put it on roaming.......then the battery time goes down but if im on sprint service and not running every app on my phone the battery lasts a long time...
I'd say if I had to do it all again and buy a new phone, I'd get two EVO Shifts . One for daily and one for testing new roms. Best phone I've ever had hands down . On a 1 to 10, it's a 13
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??? I get like 16 hours easy, probably could last a day and a half just sending txts, few calls and some internet browsing
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With my old-school phone 1500 mAh was enough. With a smartphone, and using it as a smartphone 1500 mAh is totally inadequate. I had to buy a Mugen 3600 mAh to correct this. Now my usage between charges is great.
I am coming from a Samsung Moment that I couldn't stand anymore. The Shift is amazing. My fiance also got a Shift before me after I told her it seems HTC makes the best phones on Sprint. Everything just works. Unlike that POS Samsung phone where it still doesn't work right.
I am coming from a G2. I wanted to know would I be missing out on anything? Sure vanilla android (blah blah) I don't want to miss out on a MAJOR factor just by switching
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I am coming from a G2. I wanted to know would I be missing out on anything? Sure vanilla android (blah blah) I don't want to miss out on a MAJOR factor just by switching
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My friend has the G2 and I don't think you'll be missing out on anything. The Shift is a great device imo. The keyboard may be a little better on the G2 but its still really solid... If you want stock Android there's plenty of good ROMs out there.
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I'm happy with mine.
Battery life is excellent. I can generally make it 2 days on a charge (7am Monday to 10pm Tuesday). The keyboard is quite usable. The size is not too big, but not too small.
Had an epic for a couple weeks. Never used the FFC. Felt cheap and light and plasticy. Battery lasted one day, maybe. Screen was gorgeous though.