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Any chance?

Any chance a gingerbread rom will be developed for the cdma hero?
How about a WP7 rom?
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e1cadet13 said:
Any chance a gingerbread rom will be developed for the cdma hero?
How about a WP7 rom?
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First, wrong thread.
Gingerbread: Probably
WP7: No.

mrinehart93 said:
First, wrong thread.
Gingerbread: Probably
WP7: No.
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Sorry man. Kind of new to the forums. Thanks for the reply though.

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Gingerbread? I kind of doubt it will all the the devices that keep coming out. People will be upgrading and there aren't that many CDMA Hero devs as it is.
WP7: Never.

From what I hear gingerbread will require a 1gz processor 512mb RAM and higher spec gpu. So it'll be like running windows 7 on a Pentium 3.
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From what I hear gingerbread will require a 1gz processor 512mb RAM and higher spec gpu. So it'll be like running windows 7 on a Pentium 3.
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You heard wrong bro, I gotta say. A mobile OS with reqs that high borderline leaves mobile and move into "very tiny laptop that makes phone calls"

Considering the specs of phones released this year, ones being released this year, and 1.5 ghz dual processors on the way, I wouldn't be surprised.

Do some research, gingerbread is supposed to require the specs mentioned by zenulator, if we some how got it ported to the hero, it would be far from an official release.
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No and no end of story
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zenulator said:
From what I hear gingerbread will require a 1gz processor 512mb RAM and higher spec gpu. So it'll be like running windows 7 on a Pentium 3.
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joehunni said:
Do some research, gingerbread is supposed to require the specs mentioned by zenulator, if we some how got it ported to the hero, it would be far from an official release.
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Not completely wrong but not right either.
1ghz cpu, 512 ram is the recommended specs for gingerbread.
read here: http://techie-buzz.com/mobile-news/android-3-0-a-k-a-gingerbread-requirements-updated.html

There is definitely a chance of porting it to the Hero someday.

People don't understand the different between "Recommended Specs" and "Required Specs" - I find our customers don't get it all the time at work.
Recommended means - this is what it needs to work well, and probably the minimum to which it is tested.
Required means - If you don't have X,Y, and Z - it ain't gonna work - and if magically it does, don't call me when its having issues.
Honestly, there has been very little confirmation from Google that Ginger Bread will require this, just lots of speculation and rumor. Google stays tight lipped about stuff for a reason, they are publicly traded and anything that slips can effect stock prices (Martha Stewart flash backs any one?)
Hero getting a port of Ginger Bread? It's possible, but the likely hood that the CPU/GPU can handle what they have planned? HIGHLY doubtful. Your holding a device that is 3 releases "old" (eg. Was launched with 1.5, got 2.1 - now can haz 2.2 if its hacked) , thats like asking Microsoft to install Windows 7 on a machine that was originally sold with Windows ME (if you have blocked the existence of ME out of your head, go back to Windows 98 - its not that far off...) Given that example is a little extreme, but most comparisons are - the point still holds true.
The rate of change over the last 1.5 years in the smart phone market has been absolutely incredible, and working for a company who is into Mobile computing - it's a friggin nightmare to keep up. I would dare to say we have beaten Moore's Law in the last year of developments in concern to Mobile - with the exception of the price of devices coming down.
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That's lame if true, but it could always be possible that Verizon is only counting the amount of RAM that's actually usable for applications, rather than the whole amount. On the Epic 4G I believe only 325 MB of RAM is used for applications, and the rest is reserved for the system.

phandroid.com/2010/08/27/leaked-samsung-fascinate-equipment-guide-gives-full-spec-run-down/
I think they are referring to 384mb that is usuable ram, since it's stated that there is 512mb total.

It definitely has 512 total. Maybe only 384 usable by eclair. Rest assure this will b just as awesome as the other galaxies. I've had D1, Dx DI, D2, Eris. And I'm using the captivate right now and it blows all of them away. Ill b taking back my captivate and getting the fascinate the day they are available BC att sucks ass. Tried them when my vzw ran out and that was a big mistake. U get what u pay for, and with Verizon that's the beat service in the united states. Can't wait for this phone
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There is 384M traditional DRAM and 128M OneDRAM in hummingbird SOC.
http://dev.odroid.com/wiki/odroid-t/pds/FrontPage/s_blockdiagram.jpg

Whats confusing is all the material related to the device seems to explicitly state that the Fascinate DOES have less on-board ram.

Verizon is the only one who officially mentioned the RAM in the specs.
So it's very likely all the galaxy s phones have the same RAM size.

LegionTHEFecalExcretion said:
Whats confusing is all the material related to the device seems to explicitly state that the Fascinate DOES have less on-board ram.
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Are you planning on flipping to the Galaxy?

orateam said:
Are you planning on flipping to the Galaxy?
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Yeah, Im pretty positive this will be my next personal device. I have confirmed it does indeed have less physical ram compared to the other Galaxy S phones. In spite of this, I will definitely be buying another one once it officially drops. I have been very happy with the fascinate the past couple days.

LegionTHEFecalExcretion said:
Yeah, Im pretty positive this will be my next personal device. I have confirmed it does indeed have less physical ram compared to the other Galaxy S phones. In spite of this, I will definitely be buying another one once it officially drops. I have been very happy with the fascinate the past couple days.
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I'm a new user who is deeply interested in getting the samsung fascinate for verizon but i still have some doubts that maybe you could help me clear up.
A couple questions I would like answered if possible,
1.) You have confirmed it does have less physical ram, how was this? Are you sure its not 384RAM + 128OneDRAM = 512 total? Please go into detail if possible.
2.) "You have been very happy with the fascinate the past couple days" Does this mean you are currently testing it?
Thanks for any info!

Maybe it is all just a misunderstanding, and it really is just the formatted size, but they are pretty clear when they say 384 megs of ram, not 384 formatted. The other phones are mentioned as having 512. Its even said the fascinate is at a disadvantage. Look it up. I dont have anything to post and I am not a tester, no sorry. I meant ive been happy with its performance as a phone(Galaxy S) is all.

LegionTHEFecalExcretion said:
Maybe it is all just a misunderstanding, and it really is just the formatted size, but they are pretty clear when they say 384 megs of ram, not 384 formatted. The other phones are mentioned as having 512. Its even said the fascinate is at a disadvantage. Look it up. I dont have anything to post and I am not a tester, no sorry. I meant ive been happy with its performance as a phone(Galaxy S) is all.
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Look, lets settle this here. Look at the picture and it says 512mb flash/384mb RAM. Compare that to explanations of RAM for other phone products. That's 512mb flash RAM with 128 used by......... VIDEO. Every computer without a dedicated video card says the same thing. Go look up video cards with dedicated memory and video cards with shared memory. Obviously Sammy's video cpu uses 128k or RAM and they bundle that with the actual RAM of 384 to say 512. But all Galaxy S have only 384k of Ram to use.
I don't think Samsung has ever officially revealed how much RAM the PowerVR SGX 540 uses, but looks like the cat is out of the bag now. No wonder this Video card is such a beast. I wish i could put it in my laptop.

Ok well I want a fascinate so I looked into this issue. I have a friend with a captivate so I downloaded android system info from the market as well as android hardware info. When looking at the max ram available on the captivate, which is documented at 512, the max available ram was 325. If the fascinate has 384 then we are at an advantage. I'm happy will someone with access to a vibrant test this. I will screen cap and post pics
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To the three posts above, THANK YOU SO MUCH. My god I have been waiting for a definitive answer the past week or so.
THANK YOU

Milltac said:
To the three posts above, THANK YOU SO MUCH. My god I have been waiting for a definitive answer the past week or so.
THANK YOU
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hardware wise, these phones are nearly identical. While its possible they would screw with the RAM, it's not likely considering how tightly the O.S. it integrated into it. The only phone that had a significant part of its Structure changed was the EPIC, which for some odd reason will only have 1 gig of internal FAST STORAGE. I don't think this will be a killer for the unit, but still odd.

orateam said:
hardware wise, these phones are nearly identical. While its possible they would screw with the RAM, it's not likely considering how tightly the O.S. it integrated into it. The only phone that had a significant part of its Structure changed was the EPIC, which for some odd reason will only have 1 gig of internal FAST STORAGE. I don't think this will be a killer for the unit, but still odd.
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keep in mind too that the Fascinate is CDMA while the Vibrant and Captivate are GSM which are big hardware differences. Possibly one of the reasons why they have 16GB onboard memory and the Fascinate/Epic are only 2GB/1GB on board respectively.

http://www.droid-life.com/2010/08/30/samsung-fascinate-comparison-charts/
This is my source. See what i mean?

LegionTHEFecalExcretion said:
http://www.droid-life.com/2010/08/30/samsung-fascinate-comparison-charts/
This is my source. See what i mean?
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Well that proves it. The droid life chart is crap and inaccurate. It claims 512k ram for the captivate, yet my stock captivate is less than 350k.
Are you surprised that unofficial charts are inaccurate?

That chart is from an official VZW training document. Trust me. Thats not something droidlife whipped up, that came FROM samsung and vzw. Its about as official as you can get. Ive seen these before, and thats when I started this thread, not becuase of the phandroid post (I dont read phandroid). So now that these are finally out in the open, the internal Galaxy S comparison chart is what I have been referring to.

Motorola Edison A.K.A Atrix 2

Interesting. Still NO LTE?! :-/
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Moto...he-Atrix-2-photos-leak-specs-revealed_id22280
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So, 3 megapixels is a worthy upgrade?

Don't get your hopes up over leaked information. Nothing is official until it comes straight from the source.

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Don't get your hopes up over leaked information. Nothing is official until it comes straight from the source.
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I doubt, (even if it will exist) it will become the "Atrix 2". The Atrix has been out only 7 months (maybe 6?) and it's essentially the same phone with an extra 3 megapixels :/. What would be the point of this phone as a successor?

Atrix Upgrade
The new phone with have a faster 1.2 or 1.5 ghz processor, a larger 4.3 or 4.5" screen, curved edges on the screen, and better camera, and higher video rate.
I dont think this is the time to upgrade since its been announced that quad core phones as fast as 2.5 ghz will be released by xmas. So if you do upgrade now you will be upgrading again shortly. The android market is moving very fast.
Also Gingerbread is running nicely and I am happy with my phone.
Bigger screen, faster processor are upgrades I want. But I would also like my next phone to have a FM radio receiver. The Atrix has one but it does not work. The other exotic upgrade I would like to have is a built in TV receiver. A company in S Korea released a phone with a TV receiver in it but I have not seen it yet. That would certainly be an exotic upgrade and it could be a while before one is released here in the USA.
I also look forward to Ice Cream Sandwich but wil wait for the OTA release of that which officially be in November.

Not even an upgrade to be worthy as the ATRIX successor. More pixels, higher clocked chip, most likely a larger screen....ill pass and stay with my current oc'd ATRIX
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No LTE for what I'm sure will be Motorola's new "flagship" phone like the original Atrix was.... fail. After experiencing Motoblur, in all its glory, Im going Nexus route when the Prime comes out... pure Google experience appeals to me more than webtop or fingerprint scanner, neither of which I even use any more.
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No LTE for what I'm sure will be Motorola's new "flagship" phone like the original Atrix was.... fail. After experiencing Motoblur, in all its glory, Im going Nexus route when the Prime comes out... pure Google experience appeals to me more than webtop or fingerprint scanner, neither of which I even use any more.
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I agree with you 100% I am definitely getting the next Google phone.

Swiftks said:
No LTE for what I'm sure will be Motorola's new "flagship" phone like the original Atrix was.... fail. After experiencing Motoblur, in all its glory, Im going Nexus route when the Prime comes out... pure Google experience appeals to me more than webtop or fingerprint scanner, neither of which I even use any more.
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+1 to this ^
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I don't see a 8mp camera as an upgrade. Just because its 3 more mp doesn't mean it's better picture quality, actually it's usually worse.
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I shared my thoughts on the Atrix 2 here: http://briefmobile.com/motorola-atrix-2-upgraded-with-lte-photos
Why is there a 4G icon with signal blips? AT&T and Moto use the "H+" for HSPA+. Maybe this thing will have LTE after all is said and done. It is most definitely discouraging to hear "no LTE," though.

I didn't see a fingerprint sensor... so if I'm correct and there isn't one, that would mean the only upgrade is the camera. No wonder Google bought Motorola Mobility, I wouldn't want a company like that representing the Android brand :/

kimmikolter said:
I doubt, (even if it will exist) it will become the "Atrix 2". The Atrix has been out only 7 months (maybe 6?) and it's essentially the same phone with an extra 3 megapixels :/. What would be the point of this phone as a successor?
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If the processor specs are for real than they actually aren't close to same...

Have you guys seen what motorola does over on Verizon for its droids? DROID 1 DROID 2 and DROID 3 are all incremental updates. DROID x to DROID x2 as well. Why wouldn't Moto make a slightly different phone and call it new? Every phone manufacturer does this from Htc to Motorola to Apple.
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All you have to do is look at nvidia's "Roadmap" of the tegra chips to see whats happening with them and what their plans are. Here is a link so you can see for yourselves, http://blogs.nvidia.com/2011/02/teg...-chip-worlds-first-quadcore-mobile-processor/ Anyway looking like you upgrade in 2012 than 2013 etc considering according to their roadmap they have new stuff coming every year up to 2014. Regardless though if it is a supposed "Atrix 2" seems sorta pointless considering what we can already do with a rooted unlock Atrix granted not like your layman would know any different.

Is it just me. Or is there no fingerprint reader?
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Unless AT&T gets friendlier with its data limits (even soft caps) LTE doesn't excite me that much...
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This is what im growing tired of, lol the atrix isnt even old, yet they are gonna release number 2 this year, lol with a slight increase in specs, ..
too many damn phones out..lol cant even keep up, unless you have deep pockets,,
I have a infuse and atrix. those will keep me busy through the new year.. hell even my old dinc still has plenty of horsepower left.. even though its migrated to my 13 yr old for games, lol

Atrix 2 probably lacks unlocked bootloader. Pass.
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The Atrix was a pretty big leap in terms of mobile technology when it came out and is still extremely competitive with other Dual Core phones especially with the custom ROM's.
My thoughts should be that the Atrix 2 should be released when it makes another big jump in terms of technology, not miniscule upgrades.

HTC Desire C means possible shift screw

Has anyone checked out this phone? It has less specs than the shift (600mhz), yet it runs sense 4.0 with ics. Ram is the same, but I can't see how 2gig vs 4gig rom mem prevents us from getting it offically. HTC is definitely giving us the shaft.
http://www.androidcentral.com/hands-htcs-new-budget-smartphone-desire-c
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Has anyone checked out this phone? It has less specs than the shift (600mhz), yet it runs sense 4.0 with ics. Ram is the same, but I can't see how 2gig vs 4gig rom mem prevents us from getting it offically. HTC is definitely giving us the shaft.
http://www.androidcentral.com/hands-htcs-new-budget-smartphone-desire-c
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Are you claiming that HTC could give us ICS if they wanted to?
Cause thats definitely true. But the phone is off sprint's line up, they have no reason to.

Yea the Shift could definitely be updated on power specs, but HTC said from the beginning no current phones are getting sense 4.0. The shift doesn't have the imagesense chip so it wouldn't be able to take advantage of the camera features anyway which was a major part of Sense 4.
But theirs definitely no ICS coming to this phone officially. HTC said phones with 512mb of ram wouldn't be updated
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Hey just thank google for competing with crapple if not for google i would have never got a smart phone
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lvpre said:
Has anyone checked out this phone? It has less specs than the shift (600mhz), yet it runs sense 4.0 with ics. Ram is the same, but I can't see how 2gig vs 4gig rom mem prevents us from getting it offically. HTC is definitely giving us the shaft.
http://www.androidcentral.com/hands-htcs-new-budget-smartphone-desire-c
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That device is an over priced piece of $hit... Not to mention it has an S1 processor (same as O.G. EVO... YUCKY!!!!!!!!)... You couldn't pay me to use that piece of $hit... As far as you thinking htc "gave us the shaft", they didn't, they gave us the shift... Quit your complaining or go buy a samsung and than you will have a legit complaint...
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Well I'm Shifting till they give me something that will actually out perform the Shift. As long as I can get parts I'll be Shifting .

US SIII and Canada also getting 2GB RAM

Feeling really duped being a UK owner. (Still annoyed at UK Xoom update farce)
What is worrying is that according to this article http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2012/...s3-us-carrier-availability-jelly-bean-update/ it's because Samsung are worried about the hardware for jellybean.
Sent email to Samsung ... not expecting reply :
I see you are joining the ranks of Motorola when it comes to letting down UK buyers (refering to the ICS update for UK Xooms). I have just seen that while we have 1GB of RAM you are increasing this to 2GB for just about everyone else - mainly for the forthcoming update to jellybean. Does this mean we wont be getting Jellybean?? Or if we do is 1GB going to be insufficient to get the most out of what we were led to believe was the best phone on the market.
Are we going to be offered an upgrade?
I have only had this phone 2 weeks and already feel like I have been duped.
Regards

i very seriously doubt the 2gig ram was because of Jelly the Bean
i mean the Nexus is slated to get it.....it only has 1gig right. so that meanssssss
exactly!!!!

gellofish said:
Feeling really duped being a UK owner. (Still annoyed at UK Xoom update farce)
What is worrying is that according to this article http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2012/...s3-us-carrier-availability-jelly-bean-update/ it's because Samsung are worried about the hardware for jellybean.
Sent email to Samsung ... not expecting reply :
I see you are joining the ranks of Motorola when it comes to letting down UK buyers (refering to the ICS update for UK Xooms). I have just seen that while we have 1GB of RAM you are increasing this to 2GB for just about everyone else - mainly for the forthcoming update to jellybean. Does this mean we wont be getting Jellybean?? Or if we do is 1GB going to be insufficient to get the most out of what we were led to believe was the best phone on the market.
Are we going to be offered an upgrade?
I have only had this phone 2 weeks and already feel like I have been duped.
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All s3 with 2GB ram will only be dual core, all s3 with 1GB ram will get quad core.
you decide what you want.
Even the Nexus S is getting jelly bean.

The 2GB of RAM is because the S4 processor in those phones is more memory hungry.
It has nothing to do with Jellybean.
At all.

We have known for a while now that the American versions are getting 2Gbs because of their CPU/GPU.
Your phone will run JB just fine.

This will answer why .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSicyj9hbwc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Like people said, the better processor will balance out the lower RAM.
RAM is for keeping things in a handy place that the device can quickly recall, to save it delay of reopening and closing things constantly. An S3.4x (I'll use this as shorthand for quad core) will reach its memory limit faster than an S3.2x, having to put things in swap instead. But the S3.2x doesn't have as good a processor: it wouldn't be able to cope with reopening/closing applications as well as the S3.4x can.
Also, since processor power consumption is not linear, but exponential, the S3.4x can keep all the processors at half the speed each of the S3.2x's would be, when it does need to reopen apps. This will consume less power than the dual core would performing the same task.
So yeah, a 1GB version can't keep remember as many things as the 2GB one. But the 1GB version will finish tasks faster giving it less to need to remember.
Yeah the Korean version has both. But imagine what that will cost! It has that on top of a TV tuner (one which won't work outside South Korea by the way).

Ummm ... I was so angry I didn't read the part about it only having a dual core ...lol. I feel better now.
Lesson learned ... read WHOLE article in future!
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Lol I'm in America and bought the international quad. 2GB will barely ever be used
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Yeah 2GB is damn useless for now, I always have at least 100mb free whatever I'm doing, Android ram management is impressive. Maybe it will change in the next years but for now it's useless but maybe quadcore will be a must have in the next years and dual core will not be enough who knows, anyway since int version will have the best support (official support and dev support from the community) that's the one for me, GPU and audio chip made helped me to decide. Both are almost equal imo.

Seriously guys. That story is bull****. Do you really think that Samsung, the maker of the last two nexus phones and last years best/best selling phone, didn't know about the requirements for jelly bean??
Seriously??
The f*ckin nexus s is getting JB, it has 512mb of ram, 360mb usable.
That story is crap.
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Feeling duped as a UK buyer? Dude we get the better cpu, gpu and dac. Honestly doubt that 2gb would make much difference.