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Outdated already?

is the Evo 4g basically outdated already? with the samsung galaxy s and the droid x coming out all i hear are better screen better processor pretty much better everything since even the 8 megapixel camera on the evo is lousy. really makes you think....

no phone will be the best for more than 3 months, ever

Not being the latest thing doesn't equal outdated. Frankly after having the CDMA Hero forum here be such an asset to me, I will follow the phone with the most developer pull.
Evo is it for me until Sprint drops the next flagship, then I will continue the never-ending game.
Huzzah for competition and technology!

The camera is actually fine, idk what problems your having with it but it will get better thanks to our amazing devs. yes it has a few quirks they are working out still, but im sure the droid x might or the samsung epic 4g. its apples and oranges, sprint vs verizon, 4.3" touchscreen to hardware qwerty. all clocked at 1GHz. i dropped $500 on the evo and dont regret it at all. plus we have the strongest dev community at xda, cant underestimate them either.

Mu5ic92 said:
is the Evo 4g basically outdated already? with the samsung galaxy s and the droid x coming out all i hear are better screen better processor pretty much better everything since even the 8 megapixel camera on the evo is lousy. really makes you think....
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There's always something better just around the corner. The EVO is a great phone, are there other phones that may be slightly better coming soon, yes. It happens every year in every industry as companies build toward christmas and then there's a lul during the winter months as they put the finishing touches on their spring/summer releases. It's just the way the industry works.

I don't like Samsung since they have a bad track record of handling their older devices. Plus the modification on the UI makes an update seem even more delayed. Evo is still the best bet IMO.

i personally like the evo alote. done some modding here and there and now im just really hoping that there able to break the fps cap on the 002 devices. it runs smooth never have i had to restart it unlike my old hd2 that needed atleast 3 restarts per day. its a great device and i guess like someone else said its a never ending cycle of better devices coming out.

droid x is missing a frontfacing camera and is on verizon which will cap data soon.
Its other hardware is definitly better, but i dont think it would noticable under 95% of the conditions you use your cellphone for.
Also motorolla locks there phones down making it much more unlikely it will have a large dev community.
The galaxy is also probably a little better and a version is even coming to sprint. But still not worth the hastle of trading in the evo now and waiting for it. By then something even better will have been announced.
I think the evo is still the best option for a year or so when the next iteration of smartphone comes out. probably dual core

Evo is Sprint's flagship phone for a while. I doubt they'll be dropping a new one anytime soon. I'm happy that newer Android devices tops another. It helps the overall goal of the 'Openness'. I welcome something better. Because I know that theyll get ported over to the Evo.
From the HTC Evo!!

engagedtosmile said:
I don't like Samsung since they have a bad track record of handling their older devices. Plus the modification on the UI makes an update seem even more delayed. Evo is still the best bet IMO.
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+1 for this

With all these new devices coming every month,I feel like goin back to regular flip phones again.
Mankind will NEVER be satisfied of what they have.that's in our nature.
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Sprint just announced the EPIC 4G . rofl.

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Sprint just announced the EPIC 4G . rofl.
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Craptacular! LOL. That phone is a downgrade in multiple ways for me. Smaller screen, 5megapixel camera, manufactured by Samsung, slide out keyboard.. All features/specs I do not want.
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Except that AMOLED is awesome. There are a couple other good things about the phone as well. It's a solid choice for a phone.

danknee said:
Craptacular! LOL. That phone is a downgrade in multiple ways for me. Smaller screen, 5megapixel camera, manufactured by Samsung, slide out keyboard.. All features/specs I do not want.
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Samsung managed to fit a QERTY keyboard in a 14.2 mm phone. It is only a 1.5 mm thicker than the Evo (lot of wasted space inside).
The only thing that I'm not impressed with the Evo is how 'thick' it is. Galaxy S and i4 are both so much thinner.

Sprint was smart by releasing their device first. Now everyone is following suite. WE can say that all these other phones are "me too phones."
Definitely not outdated.
Droid is not 4g. But the Galaxy Pro is with Sprint so they have 2 4g phones now (if only they had the 4g network!)
The droid has the same TFT LED screen as the EVO (slight higher resolution, though not noticeable to the eye from what I can tell). Samsung is now withholding their AMOLED technology for their phones for the time being.
Each company needs a comparable phone to stay competitive.
Because all these phones are coming out within weeks of each other, the Evo is not getting the press anymore. Hell, now that the droid x is coming, the iphone4 has lost media attention too.

jerryparid said:
Samsung managed to fit a QERTY keyboard in a 14.2 mm phone. It is only a 1.5 mm thicker than the Evo (lot of wasted space inside).
The only thing that I'm not impressed with the Evo is how 'thick' it is. Galaxy S and i4 are both so much thinner.
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Wow I didnt know the Evo was that thick!
Hmmm well the epic might be the phone for me since it is similar to the Evo but you can play emulators on it due to the keyboard

droidx not interesting at all, motoblur sucks, htc sense blows it out of the water. Bet i can get better benchmarks on retired but legendary herolol

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Hmmm well the epic might be the phone for me since it is similar to the Evo but you can play emulators on it due to the keyboard
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good luck with Emulators considering that Samsung devices do not recognize multiple keys at the same time. Try pressing forward and turning...it doesn't work.
Samsung may look Greener but don't be fooled into jumping the fence.
...Just my opinion from using too many Samsung Devices.

ramiss said:
good luck with Emulators considering that Samsung devices do not recognize multiple keys at the same time. Try pressing forward and turning...it doesn't work.
Samsung may look Greener but don't be fooled into jumping the fence.
...Just my opinion from using too many Samsung Devices.
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Your a good man ramiss. Thank you for letting me know!
I've never had a Samsung phone yet so I will DEF have to watch out now for this.

HTC Evo or Samsung Epic?

Im going to be eligible for an upgrade in October and I know others are waiting on theirs. Id like to know if you are going to upgrade, what are you planning to move to and why. Here is descriptions of both phones.
Samsung Epic 4G Preview
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I can't stand the samsung phones, especially after seeing how they treated the Moment (worse than the Hero was treated by HTC and Sprint). Not to mention I think the Epic looks like crap, and the Evo just looks freakin sexy

Touchwiz is pretty damn ugly and it's quite pervasive in the Galaxy S operating system. Then again, there will likely be custom roms and lots of support for the Epic since it will be on all major carriers. The screen kicks the EVO's ass and it's allegedly quite responsive, unlike the Moment. I think we need to wait for full reviews of the Epic.

I'm keeping my eye on the Epic too. There were some good points to the Moment but the bad outweighed the good.

They're both too damn big. Who has pockets that large?

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They're both too damn big. Who has pockets that large?
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Both are intended for purses obviously.

lets hope software updates last longer than 6 months.

ya they are big..a damn holster would like so freakn silly for these phones.. hell the one for my hero with the seidio 3500 extended battery is huge already.lol
I think 3.5 to 3.8 inch would be my range as far as screens go.. any bigger and to me its like a mini tablet.lol
but like all will skip samsung because of one reason. they never have any good extended batteries.. unlike htc... where they are plenty... so might get a evo ( maybe ) around dec.. who knows.. still love my hero...to even think bout it.. I mean look at the dream..lol they got froyo.. the hero will still get support for a awhile..so why switch..when that money can go to something else.. like food,lol

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They're both too damn big. Who has pockets that large?
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the Evo will fit nicely in my back pocket. Hell, it'll fit nicely in my front pocket of any pair of my jeans. And it'll rarely be in my pocket anyway, since it sits on my seat in my car when I'm driving, and it'd sit on my desk while I'm at work, just the way my Hero does now

But the hero fits in my watch pocket also the epic is supposed to have a faster gpu. And I love my hero, but I like the idea of a keyboard for gaming.
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im like the epic better but like what has been said ill wait for reveiws and see what people say on here and see if samsung will fix any problems that might happen like with the evo

I plan on waiting for the dual cores next year anyways, not eligible for upgrade may.
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Both phones are nice and I think it comes down to three main factors imo:
1. Will Samsung Epic be rootable, and if so, will Dev support be equal to the Evo;
2. Do you prefer a physical keyboard; and
3. Do you prefer Sense UI over the Epic's UI
The thing that sucks (well, actually good) is that technology is always advancing and new devices are being released every few months and each release tries to out-do the last.
Personally, I'm going to say Samsung Epic since I am on a Hero and have problems using the keyboard. I'd like to give a physical keyboard a try for a few months.

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Both phones are nice and I think it comes down to three main factors imo:
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1. Will Samsung Epic be rootable, and if so, will Dev support be equal to the Evo;
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If its essentially the same as the other Galaxy S line up the yes easily rootable. The Dev Support should stretch across the lineup too.
2. Do you prefer a physical keyboard; and
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I have no specific preference but they are nice
3. Do you prefer Sense UI over the Epic's UI
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Neither! I want AOSP Froyo on it.
The thing that sucks (well, actually good) is that technology is always advancing and new devices are being released every few months and each release tries to out-do the last.
Personally, I'm going to say Samsung Epic since I am on a Hero and have problems using the keyboard. I'd like to give a physical keyboard a try for a few months.
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They just need to announce a damn release date.

spiritcrusher33 said:
ya they are big..a damn holster would like so freakn silly for these phones.. hell the one for my hero with the seidio 3500 extended battery is huge already.lol
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I have the seidio 3500 extended battery also. What holster are you using?!?!? I can't find anyone that fits it.

Im due for an update in october as well, I'm goin for the epic!
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Hard to say. This is how I see it.
Epic: Best hardware, good physical size.
Evo: Full support of xda.
Top-notch hardware vs. top-notch modding community, it's a very hard decision (for me, at least).

I'm leaning towards the Epic. What keeps me on HTC phones is the support of this community. If that is going to carry over to the Epic, there is no real reason to stay with the Evo. HTC has poor support for their phones which has been proven by their lack of porting Froyo to the Hero. Clearly it is doable. Additionally, if the Epic crosses carriers, we will see a lot of great minds working on the same phone.

Ive read that the actual processing power on the galaxy s is quite better than the snapdragon processors, so if that's your thing...
Plus the pervasiveness of this phone might lead to a lot of work getting done in the xda community.

HTC EVO 4G vs Samsung Galaxy S

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Here you can see the software comparison..
http://techtacy.blogspot.com/2010/07/samsung-galaxy-s-vs-htc-evo-software.html
Here is the Hardware comparison..
http://techtacy.blogspot.com/2010/07/samsung-galaxy-s-vs-htc-evo-4g-hardware.html
HTC EVO 4G 30fps 30fps video outut
http://techtacy.blogspot.com/2010/07...-on-video.html
Snapdragon vs Hummingbird
http://techtacy.blogspot.com/2010/07...g-unit-of.html
Follow me on twitter if you want to stay tuned (for more news)
http://twitter.com/b16bkostas
what do you think about this 2 phones...
for me the HTC User Interface is more friendly and better.. but galaxy S have Better GPU

I have to hold the Epic in my hands before I form an opinion of it.
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I have to hold the Epic in my hands before I form an opinion of it.
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Agreed. Though I already know I won't be switching to any of them. I'm happy with my EVO but I have to say, if the EVO had that Super AMOLED display... jeez! Look at that Galaxy S startup screen! I love how AMOLED screens make the phone look like a real PURE black slab. I've actually been searching for a screen protector for my EVO to make it look consistent when the screen is off (all I've found are privacy screen protectors but hear they make the screen unresponsive, and mirror protectors have too much glare outside apparently).
The Galaxy S Series phones do have many pros but I really have no need for a faster GPU (I don't game much outside of Drop 7 or Speed X 3D). TouchWiz isn't very appealing but the new version has some REALLY cool features judging from the Youtube video showing it off. But still, the EVO does everything I need and more and the developer community behind it is the best hands down. I have no battery problems, I've already been guaranteed a replacement for light leakage when the new shipments come in and the 30fps has a workaround, and will be fixed in due time I'm sure (thought it never really bothered me in the first place).
I'll hold out for the next monster phone, which I'm sure will be available around the holiday season. I have another upgrade in October.
I also want to watch and see if Samsung has improved their support for their devices and wait and see what problems/issues arise from the Galaxy S lineup. If Samsung can prove to me that they've changed their ways then I'd be more than happy to be an adopter of the Galaxy S2!

Quite frankly, I thought the video review by that guy wasn't great at all. I don't care about his opinions, I just want to see the results/facts. I'll make my own judgments. That said, the Galaxy S is one sick phone, something I'd consider getting, but at the moment I have no need for it nor do I wish to get rid of my EVO or remove myself from the best community I've seen since registering with XDA.
Though, I will say -- being a Sprint Premier customer, I do have the option to upgrade to a new phone come November, so we'll see. I get a new phone about every 8 to 12 months anyway, so when something better comes along, it's only inevitable that'll I'll end up looking into it. However, one thing is for sure -- I won't be buying any phone that doesn't have a the same size screen (4.3") or something very comparable. I can't even look at a small screen anymore.

I love my Evo but seeing some of the performance on the Galaxy S, I wish I had this choice a month ago. *Grumble*

His Evo took forever to load up. Mines don't take that long unless I just loaded up a kernel or new Rom.
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Seriously. I booted my Evo in sync with the video and it was at the desktop before he was off the white screen. It was faster than the GS as far as SD card prep and widget loading too. He's sandbagging it.

apollooff320 said:
His Evo took forever to load up. Mines don't take that long unless I just loaded up a kernel or new Rom.
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Yeah I thought it was just me for a second but I was sitting there thinking "I KNOW my Evo doesn't take nearly that long to load up". His Evo was also extremely slow and choppy. When I run the Mario Live Wallpaper, everything is fast and smooth and scrolling stays smooth and intact. His wallpaper lagged a lot. He must have a lot of stuff on his phone that's slowing it down or something.. and I thought I had a bunch of crap on mine...

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His Evo took forever to load up. Mines don't take that long unless I just loaded up a kernel or new Rom.
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nice feedback..
i think evo 4g is better in use UI is better, HDMI, XDA support and more.. but gpu or the graphic drivers is better on Galaxy S, Super Amoled screen too..

b16b said:
nice feedback..
i think evo 4g is better in use UI is better, HDMI, XDA support and more.. but gpu or the graphic drivers is better on Galaxy S, Super Amoled screen too..
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a lot of ppl have stated the Adreno GPU still doesn't have drivers that utilize it properly. If qualcomm hadn't half-assed their "open source" kernel release, we would probably have a better working GPU by now.

itmustbejj said:
a lot of ppl have stated the Adreno GPU still doesn't have drivers that utilize it properly. If qualcomm hadn't half-assed their "open source" kernel release, we would probably have a better working GPU by now.
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same problem on HD2.. we still hopping for something better.. i hope with that war with samsung will have something better from quallcom
we have some steps around but nothing special
HTC EVO 4G 30fps 30fps video outut
http://techtacy.blogspot.com/2010/07/htc-says-evo-4gs-30fps-cap-on-video.html
Snapdragon vs Hummingbird
http://techtacy.blogspot.com/2010/07/cpu-central-processing-unit-of.html
http://techtacy.blogspot.com/2010/07/cpu-central-processing-unit-of.html

Both are great phones.
Personally, I am holding off on AMOLEDs for the next few years. It's a up and coming display technology which will replace most, if not all conventional LCD's.
However, at the moment it is not as reliable as current LCDs. AMOLEDs have a shorter lifespan and can consume more power...

xweaponx said:
Both are great phones.
Personally, I am holding off on AMOLEDs for the next few years. It's a up and coming display technology which will replace most, if not all conventional LCD's.
However, at the moment it is not as reliable as current LCDs. AMOLEDs have a shorter lifespan and can consume more power...
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what about S-LCD

xweaponx said:
Both are great phones.
Personally, I am holding off on AMOLEDs for the next few years. It's a up and coming display technology which will replace most, if not all conventional LCD's.
However, at the moment it is not as reliable as current LCDs. AMOLEDs have a shorter lifespan and can consume more power...
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SUPER AMOLED does not use more power. AMOLED does. This phone has a Super AMOLED screen.

EtherealRemnant said:
SUPER AMOLED does not use more power. AMOLED does. This phone has a Super AMOLED screen.
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How about burn-in? I've read and seen it talked about in a pocketnow video about the Nexus 1 screen getting it at the top, from the notification bar. If this is true of Super AMOLED, then that's a crying shame.......

For Those who Wants LG G2X

Light bleeding like crazy
http://androidcommunity.com/lg-g2x-having-lcd-screen-bleeding-issues-quality-control-20110420/
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nbhnohome said:
Light bleeding like crazy
http://androidcommunity.com/lg-g2x-having-lcd-screen-bleeding-issues-quality-control-20110420/
Review from engadget
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/20/t-mobile-g2x-review/
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Oh crapp, that's nasty dude! I just ordered mines.. darn.

Well it seems alot of people love the device.
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Ill know tomorrow. Woot!
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It's getting rave reviews, the only complaints I have read are the light leak and the Euro version comes with a hdmi cord and the us version doesn't. Other than those two complaints this phone seems to be a winner.

Oh damn, I'm still up in the air between this one and the SGSII. Looks like Sammy's gonna win in the display dept. This is pretty disappointing to see; especially since we know LG makes the screens for the iphones. SMH.

Don't see much of an upgrade from my vibrant. Now if it had a 4. 3" screen, I would run and get one today I hope we get phone with a screen that big soon.
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People should really wait this out. The Vibrant is more than good enough for now, why rush and get the newest flawed product.

I've had 3 phones in the past 2 months, lost a mt4g over the weekend, got a gs4g on Sat, returned it today got the g2x and other than missing the optical mouse on the mt4g, for what's out there currently this phone is by far my favorite....but really how come phones are now lacking camera hw buttons and notification LEDs, that has been irking me all week, and I would take a vibrant over a gs4g because of the internal storage

im trying to wait for the galaxy 2 but i doubt i will be able to wait and find my self getting the g2x

Played around with it today at the downtown Seattle TMO store, and the screen was a major letdown for me. I went wanting to upgrade. The kicker was when I asked if I got the upgrade they said I had 3 months before my 1 year for discount to upgrade. Grrr. Wonder if the HTC Sensation will be out by then, bigger screen, faster processor, etc.

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Played around with it today at the downtown Seattle TMO store, and the screen was a major letdown for me. I went wanting to upgrade. The kicker was when I asked if I got the upgrade they said I had 3 months before my 1 year for discount to upgrade. Grrr. Wonder if the HTC Sensation will be out by then, bigger screen, faster processor, etc.
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Yah, you're right. I'm deciding b/t SGSII and HTC Sensation. HTC seems to be a better choice.
Anybody knows how GPS works on HTC products ???

nbhnohome said:
Yah, you're right. I'm deciding b/t SGSII and HTC Sensation. HTC seems to be a better choice.
Anybody knows how GPS works on HTC products ???
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usually, perfect.
I wouldn't count on saying that SGSII would have a not-working GPS..
i'm sure Samsung learned from their mistake..
i mean... the GPS bug was found out like a month after Vibrant's were sold...
millions sold.
They can't re-call millions of sold products...

i got one today. while i would love to get a galaxy s II im thoroughly frustrated with samsung.

Mannymal said:
People should really wait this out. The Vibrant is more than good enough for now, why rush and get the newest flawed product.
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Indeed. At times it seems some people buy phones here just for the sake of having a "new" one. Why change when you've a device that works just like you want to? Better specs aint everything, looks can be deceiving.

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Indeed. At times it seems some people buy phones here just for the sake of having a "new" one. Why change when you've a device that works just like you want to? Better specs aint everything, looks can be deceiving.
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You're right but everytime I compare this with my Olde Cliq, I piss off .Except for the not too good speed, everything works nicely and its GPS just simply blow Vibrant one out of the water (locks within 5 seconds no matter what roms I put on it Eclair, Froyo or Gingerbread)

So the LG G2X runs the Tegra Duel Core, the HTC Sensation will be running their Scorpion duel core chip, and the Galaxy S2 will be running what processor?
I remember seeing something about the HTC duel core not being as good as the Tegra 2's? how about the Galaxy S2 duel core?
I know its a lot to ask, just wondering if anyone remembers seeing that HTC chip was not as good as the Tegra or what the Samsung will have.
I think it will be good to compare this as it seems like these are the 3 phones many of us are trying to decide on/wait for

Got my g2x on Tuesday, and rooted it last night, the screen is a let down my is minor compared to some overall love it, someone just finished recovery and cm7 or gingerbread STABLE real soon.. the only Sammy products I will buy here forward our their TVs
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i'm waiting for the evo 3d, moving to sprint

its no comparison SG2 all the way!!! but if i cant have that then my runner up will be the sensation

God Gimme a break!

This is just an onslaught of high end options! Thought this one had gone away.
http://www.gizmocrunch.com/rumors/6904-tmobile-samsung-hercules-android

How are we supposed to decide which phone to get next with all these choices!? Lol
And for the 'over $350' part... with a new contract? I honestly don't see that happening. I think $200 and maybe $250 will continue to be the price point for high end phones for a while.
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This is actually the same dual core family as the msm8660 dual core snapdragon, not sure what the difference is though. But the hercules only has 1gb of ram, even the Evo Shift has 2 gb.

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http://www.gizmocrunch.com/rumors/6904-tmobile-samsung-hercules-android
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"It basically matches the HTC EVO 3D, HTC Sensation & Samsung Galaxy S2 in many ways but offers a larger display."
The new toys will always be better than the old toys in some ways . . . what other industry can pry hundreds of dollars from their customer's wallets every year or so, willingly, just by providing new eye candy . . ?

Sounds great... if it wasn't a Samsung ...

vbetts said:
This is actually the same dual core family as the msm8660 dual core snapdragon, not sure what the difference is though. But the hercules only has 1gb of ram, even the Evo Shift has 2 gb.
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Uh, what are you smoking? The Shift has 512 mb ram.
And the only difference with this phone and the EVO appears to be a .2 inch difference on the screen, and super amoled.
You'd still be trading in a higher resolution, 3D, and a dedicated camera button for this phone.

I look at it this way. I won't be due for upgrade til January, so I'll looking in December, at what's out there. My only mistake with the Evo was that it was already out 6 months when I got it, although it was good in that a LOT of development had already been done on it, still, my next upgrade will be a newer device.

Android 17 said:
Uh, what are you smoking? The Shift has 512 mb ram.
And the only difference with this phone and the EVO appears to be a .2 inch difference on the screen, and super amoled.
You'd still be trading in a higher resolution, 3D, and a dedicated camera button for this phone.
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Well losing 3D isnt really a big loss lol... at all. And as far as the resolution, the SAMOLED screen display is still the best there is anyways.

4.5"!!! Dear lord. After having an Evo, I want my next phone to be a 4"... of course it seems like the specs go up with screen size, which is stupid. I don't see awesome specs in anything less than a 4.3 these days.

The Evo 3d and Sensation will both have locked bootloaders(so the rumors say) plus the 3d has a ****ty 5mp camera(ok 2 of them but who the hell cares about taking 3d pics?) and the sensation has no 4G and only 1GB of internal memory(WTF HTC?).. Also this phone(as well as the Galaxy S 2) is made by Samsung. So, while you may be positively torn by this difficult decision, I assure you that I speak for many of us here when I say "MEH, I'm good with my Evo".

HipKat said:
I look at it this way. I won't be due for upgrade til January, so I'll looking in December, at what's out there. My only mistake with the Evo was that it was already out 6 months when I got it, although it was good in that a LOT of development had already been done on it, still, my next upgrade will be a newer device.
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I feel the opposite of you. I got my Evo in March of this year and I am glad I waited. My friend recently got a Thunderbolt when it was only out 2 weeks and there were barely any ROMS for it, it was a NIGHTMARE to root and he had hardware problems(which supposedly will be fixed in later versions). However when I got my phone, it had a TON of dev work done on it, and the hardware kinks were sorted out. Of course if you don't wanna root/flash etc then a brand new phone would do great. But I wouldn't want one. Not to mention you never know when the newest phone will be a success or not. Some phones never "take off" and so the Devs don't do much for them. But by getting a slightly older phone I was able to make sure that the there was a large DEV community devoted to it. Some of the device forums for android phones are down right depressing in their lack of goodies!!

Lol, to crush? Really?

robertroland said:
The Evo 3d and Sensation will both have locked bootloaders(so the rumors say) plus the 3d has a ****ty 5mp camera(ok 2 of them but who the hell cares about taking 3d pics?) and the sensation has no 4G and only 1GB of internal memory(WTF HTC?).. Also this phone(as well as the Galaxy S 2) is made by Samsung. So, while you may be positively torn by this difficult decision, I assure you that I speak for many of us here when I say "MEH, I'm good with my Evo".
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the new 5mp sensors should be better than our 8mp ones, just because of quality. iphone's 5mp KILLS our 8mp any day. so this to me says the 3d will be better than the evo in every way (minus kickstand, and maybe the dreaded bootloader lock, in which case the sgs2 will be the best probably)

Android 17 said:
Uh, what are you smoking? The Shift has 512 mb ram.
And the only difference with this phone and the EVO appears to be a .2 inch difference on the screen, and super amoled.
You'd still be trading in a higher resolution, 3D, and a dedicated camera button for this phone.
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My mistake, I was talking about the rom. Also, I was only speaking of the actual hardware of the 2 phones, not the features of them.

dkdude36 said:
the new 5mp sensors should be better than our 8mp ones, just because of quality. iphone's 5mp KILLS our 8mp any day. so this to me says the 3d will be better than the evo in every way (minus kickstand, and maybe the dreaded bootloader lock, in which case the sgs2 will be the best probably)
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That's really just an assumption tho. The reason(according to my google search) that we have crappy cameras isn't the sensor it's the fact that the video has to be compressed as it's recorded(even for stills) to the SD card. SD cards are slow. iPhones don't have them. They don't need the compression. The same manufacturer actually makes the cameras for both HTC Evo and Iphone 4. I'm not a DEV so if that's not true don't blame me that's just what I'm reading. Anyway, since the Evo3D has only 4g Internal it's a pretty safe bet that they will still be writing to an SD card. So unless HTC has figured out how to compress better(and that may not even be possible for all I know) then I'm very worried that the camera's won't be better at all. But if the 5mps look better than the 8mps we have now, and IF there is no locked bootloader then and only then would I even consider an Evo 3D. So here's hoping that they read this post and scrap them all and start over! We want our kickstand!
**** the Whales, Save Our Kickstands!

When will a andriod phone be developed with internal memory like a iphone?
sent from my evo, *****!