I'm actively experimenting with newer builds everytime they come out. But I can't help to experience some sort of slow-/sluggyness with Sense builds?
It also seems that the Sense builds aren't that highly customizable as non-sense builds are? I might be just not that much of a sense-fan (however I really liked it under WinMo), but since I see lots of phones, in the screenshot topic, running sense builds, I was wondering if I might do something wrong ()?
Sense over non-Sense:
[+] Nice HTC Widgets
[+] Nice Clock/looks
non-Sense over Sense:
[+] Highly Customizable (especially with ADW.Launcher)
[+] Seems faster (to me that is, subjective of course!)
SENSE FTW!
i've tried non-sense (not nonsense though, just personal preference) builds b4, but i couldn't get pass the plain contacts which can't really link from here to there.
the HTC People seamlessly links your contacts to emails and facebook and twitter and whatsapp accounts, and the ability to view the facebook albums using HTC gallery as though the pictures were in the phone.
Plus the decently nice weather widgets, friends stream widget, and the multilanguage supported keyboard with handwriting tools for Chinese input, etc etc.
I vote for Sense because it makes Sense!
I'm pro sense, because of its contact manager and dialer.
I don't like sense builds. But non-sense builds freezes will kill me..
I've came across some weird crashes with Sense builds. Sometimes SetCPU would crash, or even Sense would crash and reboot.
I also like the fact that in non-Sense builds it is possible to change the DPI, probably also possible in Sense builds but I haven't found out how yet..
I cant use sense builds. Id prefer them but every single one I have tried has a screwed up contacts directory. Every contact is duplicated about 6 times.
Saying that I do love the non sense and the amount I can customize it. There are things I like and dislike about both
Below are my conclusions regarding sense vs non sense
Disadvantages of Sense are
[+] Have a nice looking of "Sense"
[-] Camera only 3M,if there's 5M,it usually have camera premature
[-] Unreliable connection and most of all PPP based
Disadvateges of Non Sense (CM Based) are
[+] Stable connection of data,usually use RMNET
[+] Good camera (dont have premature flash)
[-] G-Sensor dont working very well,sometime freeze
[-] Cant use automatic backlight because light Sensor not working well
non-sense builds!
i started using android with sense-builds. after some times i got tired of switching from one screen to another, so i reduced ist to only 4, 3 and so on.
now i'm on a non sense build with adw-launcher. i can use more shortcuts, use other apps and have all i want in 3 screens.
adw-launcher is awesome, very stable and gives you so much possibilities!!
Well I'm for sense i guess, used both and come to the conclusion that I bought the HTC HD2 for the look of the GUI, and i can't draw myself away from it, its pretty customisable and the build I'm currently using it brilliant, no lag, no sod, superb!
I love the sense widgits and UI and such, but I absolutely hate the Sense dialer and contacts setup. I much prefer AOPS or Wysie's contacts and dialer setup, and if I could figure out how to get them working in Sense, I would totally have the best of both worlds.
Does it matter which is better? We as HD2 users have the liberty of choosing between many different builds and that is what makes it the best phone ever.
For the record, I use both.
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sense with no sense
I´m also experiencing overall slowdown when using sense, particularly in desktop swipeing. But on the other hand sense brings good keyboard, dialer, sync and widgets.
So I decided to go the "Darkstone"-way - using sense ROM with LauncherPro as desktop UI. SenseUI does not even load which saves up good memory.
My experience with that combination is very good.....
psykick5 said:
Does it matter which is better? We as HD2 users have the liberty of choosing between many different builds and that is what makes it the best phone ever.
For the record, I use both.
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App
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Nope, it doesn't matter at all. I just wanted to discuss the pros and cons of both UIs. It's nice to have a discussion about it, so people can read up and have a decent overview of the differences between the two type of builds.
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Nope, it doesn't matter at all. I just wanted to discuss the pros and cons of both UIs. It's nice to have a discussion about it, so people can read up and have a decent overview of the differences between the two type of builds.
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I enjoy having both hand generally use the one that gives better battery life.
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I started out with non-sense builds, but I find the sense ones to be a little more stable (They're the ones where the compass works well and freezes are minimal). I don't really like the Sense UI though so I run ADW on top of it.
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I started out with non-sense builds, but I find the sense ones to be a little more stable (They're the ones where the compass works well and freezes are minimal). I don't really like the Sense UI though so I run ADW on top of it.
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If you don't like the Sense, why did you buy the HD2? That was the main selling point of this phone when released, the ease of use and beauty that sense provided!
But I do agree with you that sense builds are a little more stable and freeze free when it comes to the build I'm using, I can honestly say hand on heart, for two weeks now I've had 0 freezes!!
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SENSE FTW!
i've tried non-sense (not nonsense though, just personal preference) builds b4, but i couldn't get pass the plain contacts which can't really link from here to there.
the HTC People seamlessly links your contacts to emails and facebook and twitter and whatsapp accounts, and the ability to view the facebook albums using HTC gallery as though the pictures were in the phone.
Plus the decently nice weather widgets, friends stream widget, and the multilanguage supported keyboard with handwriting tools for Chinese input, etc etc.
I vote for Sense because it makes Sense!
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Everything you stated is incorrect right down to the weather widget.
I know you didn't do it on purpose but I have never seen a more blatantly wrong series of statements.
I use HyperDroid (Non-sense) and my contacts are linked to Facebook/Twitter etc, etc.
I actually have and use the same weather widget as sense BUT I can change my weather icons and it does more than just show me the weather.
Freinds streaming is certainly available also... I use the facebook widget. I dont know about chinese characters but i dont need them either. However there are other languages that are supported.
To each his/her own... but at least lets have the real info.
Cheers.
I'm using cyanogen builds hyperdroid1.6 and bangsters1.5. I have tried a lot of builds and cyanogen stuck out over sence aesthetically and was more stable. I did enjoy sence dialler until I discovered dialler one in the bangsters build. I'm not giving up on sence once a good one rolls out that can please my demands as good or better than cyanogen or stock froyo it will have a home on my SD
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jmmmmm said:
Everything you stated is incorrect right down to the weather widget.
I know you didn't do it on purpose but I have never seen a more blatantly wrong series of statements.
I use HyperDroid (Non-sense) and my contacts are linked to Facebook/Twitter etc, etc.
I actually have and use the same weather widget as sense BUT I can change my weather icons and it does more than just show me the weather.
Freinds streaming is certainly available also... I use the facebook widget. I dont know about chinese characters but i dont need them either. However there are other languages that are supported.
To each his/her own... but at least lets have the real info.
Cheers.
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Well, after reading your post, and experiencing unresolvable errors with com.htc.bgp force close due to HTC Facebook syncing, i've decided to give non-sense another try. This time it's bangster 1.5, still downloading.
Cheers!
seems like this has been dormant for quite some time...
After using bangsters 1.5 for like 2 weeks, i've decided to switch back to M-deejay's evo sense 1.8 revolution with the latest Hastarin 7.6 kernel to try again.
Some of my findings:
Sense wins in terms of:
Facebook link to contacts:-
Sense: manual linking is alot more simple and user-friendly
Non-Sense: have to rename contacts to be exactly same as facebook, otherwise manual linking is possible but very tedious: contacts, settings, edit contacts, join, find facebook contact, confirm, back, back, back, and if any mistakes, have to separate and re-join.
Dialer:-
Sense: predictive t9 + phone no. dialer showing facebook display pictures fine
Non-Sense: default phone dialer no predictive t9, but shows facebook pics; Dialer One with predictive t9, but no predictive phone no., and facebook display pictures does not show
Default email app
While there are dedicated email apps for Gmail and Yahoo Mail, the default email app on Non-Sense builds is really restrictive, you cannot move mails between folders, you can't even retrieve your mails that you accidentally deleted but still in the trash folder. But these could be solved by 3rd party apps like K9.
but Non-Sense wins in terms of:
Customizability:-
Non-Sense: Best part of Non-Sense is its customizability. From changing LCD density, and choosing one out of so many launchers, customizing the themes and looks of your phone, no. of rows and columns, smooth transition from portrait to landscape, setting soft buttons, shortcuts, folders, drawers, etc.
Sense: somehow most of the sense widgets (weather, email, sms, friendstream, news) are oversized, takes up a full page, and cannot customize the size.
Alot of other things like camera 5mp, overclocking, battery, screen freezes, sods, etc are dependent on roms, builds and kernels, so i won't use those as a comparison between sense and non-sense.
Both are good in their own way, and i'm just glad that i'm using a HD2 which allows me to experience the best of both worlds!
Related
Now most of us including myself have had the opportunity to try out the Android rom on our HD2, I was wondering if anyone was going to jump ship to Android or stick with WinMo on the HD2. I know there are already a couple of polls/threads on this subject matter but I thought it was about time somone listed the pros and cons for each OS and HD2.
Below I have listed what I believe to be the positives and negatives are (from my experience):
Android - Good Points
Fantastic app store selection
Refreshing UI from WinMo
Dedicated constant Google Android only apps
720p HD video recording (possible)
Compass Street View in Google Maps
ROM upgradeable OTA
Customisable
Good notifaction bar
Facebook/Twitter/Flicker Contacts intergration
My Location always works
Auto update notifications for installed apps
Better Youtube app with ability to view/leave comments
Live widgets
Live Wallpaper
Flash support in web browser
HTML and images displayed in email straight away with no "Download images" as per WinMO
Android - Bad Points
No Secure Box/Private SMS storage
Only 7 homescreens (possible 9 with 3rd party launchers)
Multiple email accounts not easily accessable from one screen
Poorer weather animations/transitions
No dedicated app exit button
No Face down Speaker Phone activation
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Windows Mobile - Good Points
13-18 homescreens
Weather Wallpaper
Excellent Secure SMS box
Customisable Home Screen/Tody view (Cookie's Home tab)
Access to several email accounts from Mail tab
Smoother weather animations
Animated photo and music landscape transitions/coverflo views
Document tab
Excellent developer community
Various roms - 6.5, 6.5.3, 6.5.5
Better office support
Windows Mobile - Bad Points
My Location rarely works
Inconsistant looking icons for apps
Old UI hidden under Sense
Can crash and freeze
Phone slows down when Twitter tab updates
Frustrating HTC keyboard
No flash support in browser
Internet Data Connection prone to freezing and stalling
Any other good or bad points? Will you switch?
a number one reason for sticking with hd2 for many people including myself has been its hardware, its 4.3 inches amazing screen. however, having just seen this http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/htcs-4-3-inch-desire-hd-shows-up-on-video/ - upcoming HTC Desire HD with Android 2.2, i think that would no longer be the case. HTC Desire HD is arguably the successor of HTC Desire. I wonder what HTC has up its sleeves as a successor of HD2
Sorry to say this, but a lot of the WinMo reasons are invalid since a lot of the reasons are down to HTC i.e. Weather Animations, Secure Inbox, Home screens, etc. These run on top of WinMo. WinMo by itself is a legacy operating system that HTC have dressed up really good.
the only reason, it gets normal updates, it is open source and it developes every day to be good OS(and it has full potential to be best OS) but in case of winmo only minor changes from build to build like changing **** , did you ever think what is changed from build for example 23531 till 23569 com 5 or even compared to wm 6.5 219** builds ? almost nothing... but u see many changes from android 1.6 till the latest 2.2
P.S just want to mention that i'm not kind of guy who hate win mo just i need something new, something that has some new words to say...
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Sorry to say this, but a lot of the WinMo reasons are invalid since a lot of the reasons are down to HTC i.e. Weather Animations, Secure Inbox, Home screens, etc. These run on top of WinMo. WinMo by itself is a legacy operating system that HTC have dressed up really good.
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Maybe I did not make it clearer but I meant to stick to WinMo on the HD2. Afterall this is a HD2 forum and we users own one. Therefore, HD2, WinMo and Sense are seen as all in one in this thread.
I really enjoyed the Android OS, but it didn't have push HoTMaiL and it didn't truely sync all of my exchange server data (calendar and contacts) without a 3rd party paid app.
For those two reasons alone, I have to side with HTC and WinMo.
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Now most of us including myself have had the opportunity to try out the Android rom on our HD2, I was wondering if anyone was going to jump ship to Android or stick with WinMo on the HD2. I know there are already a couple of polls/threads on this subject matter but I thought it was about time somone listed the pros and cons for each OS and HD2.
Below I have listed what I believe to be the positives and negatives are (from my experience):
Android - Good Points
Fantastic app store selection
Refreshing UI from WinMo
Dedicated constant Google Android only apps
720p HD video recording (possible)
Compass Street View in Google Maps
ROM upgradeable OTA
Customisable
Good notifaction bar
Facebook/Twitter/Flicker Contacts intergration
My Location always works
Auto update notifications for installed apps
Better Youtube app with ability to view/leave comments
Live widgets
Live Wallpaper
Flash support in web browser
Android - Bad Points
No Secure Box/Private SMS storage
Only 7 homescreens (possible 9 with 3rd party launchers)
Multiple email accounts not easily accessable from one screen
Poorer weather animations/transitions
No dedicated app exit button
No Face down Speaker Phone activation
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Windows Mobile - Good Points
13-18 homescreens
Weather Wallpaper
Excellent Secure SMS box
Customisable Home Screen/Tody view (Cookie's Home tab)
Access to several email accounts from Mail tab
Smoother weather animations
Animated photo and music landscape transitions/coverflo views
Document tab
Excellent developer community
Various roms - 6.5, 6.5.3, 6.5.5
Better office support
Windows Mobile - Bad Points
My Location rarely works
Inconsistant looking icons for apps
Old UI hidden under Sense
Can crash and freeze
Phone slows down when Twitter tab updates
Frustrating HTC keyboard
No flash support in browser
Any other good or bad points? Will you switch?
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Another great reason that Windows Mobile >>> Android is the fact that you can use bluetooth keyboards to type office documents!
There is no way to do this on Android currently...
Added point no hidden virus in wm apps. I am on the fence right now to be honest, I dont like the closed nature of WP7 but dont want OS designer to be able to remotely remove apps from my phone either, as well as I really dont want to have to worry about what the app is doing in the background like the last "music app" that would send sms to a premier site either
zelendel said:
Added point no hidden virus in wm apps. I am on the fence right now to be honest, I dont like the closed nature of WP7 but dont want OS designer to be able to remotely remove apps from my phone either, as well as I really dont want to have to worry about what the app is doing in the background like the last "music app" that would send sms to a premier site either
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Great point there zelendel nice catch!
Even when I had an iPhone before I really appreciated how Apple tested the apps before they allowed them on the market to make sure they weren't malicious...
only thing I liked about android was the web browser with full? flash support.
Otherwise, i didn't see it being any faster than my hd2 on nrgz ROM, and it looks too much like the IOS for me.
I'm waiting to see what second generation wp7 looks like before I decide on my next device. I have a while before upgrading anyways.
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Added point no hidden virus in wm apps. I am on the fence right now to be honest, I dont like the closed nature of WP7 but dont want OS designer to be able to remotely remove apps from my phone either, as well as I really dont want to have to worry about what the app is doing in the background like the last "music app" that would send sms to a premier site either
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what about the international calling "virus" on the 3d terrorist game?
Lookout mobile security is free though for those who want to protect their phone.
good article..its only been a couple of months for myself and im still getting use to winmo. i love the hardware specs which was the main reason i brought the hd2. im still using stock rom which im very happy with .i do get the occasional freezes plus battery life is really frustrating..i havent tried out any of the chef roms as of yet i have seen them on youtube are they more stable? but android seems exciting im gonna stick for the time being until i get bored of winmo and let android develop and a stable port comes along ..last thing how do you get up to 13-18 homescreens.
Exchange
Exchange still not FULLY supported in Android - Tasks anyone?
(at least this was the case a few weeks ago)
Added new positive for Android - the ability to see images in emails on first download of email without the need to download images seperately as in WinMo. That has been a BIG frustration for many WinMo users.
Moschino02 said:
..last thing how do you get up to 13-18 homescreens.
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Actually 19 tabs at last count...
1. Home
2. People
3. SMS
4. Mail
5. Internet
6. Photos & Videos
7. Music
8. Calendar
9. Stocks
10. Footprints
11. Twitter
12. Weather
13. Settings
14. eReader
15. Facebook
16. TV
17. Radio
18. Call History
19. Programs
Any other tab I missed?
The latter tabs are either on custom roms or cab installed.
The only 2 things i prefter with Androide is the app store and Flash, but i will absolutly stick with WinMo because it can be customized to your taste and use better then with Androide.
And the best Androide apps you have to paie for, so im staying on WinMo!
I have spent a good deal of time
I have spent a good deal of time in the Android HD2 development section and have installed various builds and played in the speed race. Besides the obvious questions about how to install and make it work, almost all of the questions are people wanting to figure out how to get it to do what and how they used to do it in WinMo. They are "how to get Android to be WinMo" questions. I think that speaks a lot for itself.
Lots of apps, but many very flaky.
WinMo needs a Titanium Backup! Very easy to recover from version changes.
Not very good TV apps for the US.
Android voice recognition is much better for search etc, but the new Bing Nav is just as good.
I will probably use both as it boots in less than a minute. The best of both worlds.
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Added new positive for Android - the ability to see images in emails on first download of email without the need to download images seperately as in WinMo. That has been a BIG frustration for many WinMo users.
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Thing is, we're lucky over here on O2 with unlimited downloads, but many countries charge extautionate rates for data use, so which makes more sense? Download all those images straight away and run up your data bill or give you the email so you can then decide to download the attachments or not?
If i will install Android on my HTC HD2, will i be able to use Android supported software like Skype, Nimbuzz etc. Also what about games for Android on my HTC HD2?
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If i will install Android on my HTC HD2, will i be able to use Android supported software like Skype, Nimbuzz etc. Also what about games for Android on my HTC HD2?
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yes, while booted into android, you can use all android apps. You have marketplace and everything. These boots are not rooted though, but there are instructions for that here as well.
Hi Chaps,
I'm getting pretty fed up with crashes, performance and low space on my Orange Hero w/2.1, as well as still being miffed by Orange screwing up everything with their tinkering of 2.1, sooooo, I'm going to flash.
But, I need some help, 'cause I think I'm just getting too old for all this tinkering lark and I'm reading up on a lot of ROMS and just can't choose - I'm reading, but nothing is sinking in!
So, I like Sense, or at least I think I do. What I actually like is contacts / Facebook integration, 7 pages of home screen and the HTC weather clock and the weather animations when I unlock the phone. I like the threaded SMS.
I DON'T LIKE: Orange screwing up the speed dial widget, running out of space, the fact that the default camera apps photos have gone 'stripey' since 2.1, (other cam apps are fine). A lot of complete hangs and force closes, including lately, something.htc.bgp force closing several times a day.
I use GPS a lot (CoPilot, Cardio Trainer, Latitude, Maps) and listen to music. The std music player is average and slow, but has some good features (headphone out pause, album art, lock screen control).
So, a lot of requests there, but I think it boils down to me needing: performance, apps2SD and reliability, and compatibility with a wide range of apps. Root not essential, since I run all the apps I need to, but I guess it comes part and parcel with flashing a new ROM. I have already installed and rooted with universal Androot.
Any help for me?
Thanks,
Rich.
Hi there
If sense is a must, look at rcmix. 2.1 with sense.
If You would like to experiment a bit You can try some of the 2.2roms, ie floyo, villain 1.6 to name a few. But it is hard to find a good dialer, and Facebook integration is on much lower level than sense roms. They should be quicker, so depends on You hope this helps
Sent from my HTC Hero using XDA App
I'm not sure if Sense is a must actually... what does it give me? The 'skinned' buttons across the bottom of the screen i suppose (phone, apps and add), but there ae other apps that do this aren't there? (Launchers?). What else does sense actually do that I might miss if I don't have it?
Is Rcmix running android 2.1 as it's version number suggests? Is there nothing with 2.2 yet? I see Rcmix does appstoSD, and I think after the phone just running right, space is my next biggest issue, so I suppose it could keep me happy.
I extremely agree with you. You have just, like, took this out of my head and put it on the forums!
Except, for me, the most important thing is the facebook integration. Doesn't the actual Facebook app provide that outside of sense?
something.htc.bgp is the location service, I think. After that crashing, foursquare stops working properly. I can't live like this.
With the Facebook intergration, I just like the way my contacts show pics from Facebook, and I get the status updates from the contacts too.
I think I'm gonna try Cyanogen. It's the most popular, I don't think much can go wrong. Still, I'm massively scared, haha!
I agree RCMix along wit kimera2.1 are great choices wit flykernal 11c or bfs. Had both and rarely had issues. Biggest losses from not having sense is the weather clock and a decent dialer if u plan to try a 2.2 rom
This might seem biased, but if you try following the instructions from this thread you will end up with a very nice, speedy hero setup. It even has info in there of a very fast, usable dialler app, as well as an app to sync your facebook contact pics.
LauncherPro Plus has a Facebook stream widget built-in, and you can either use BeautifulWidgets or FancyWidget for the clock.
Should all be in the post! (Don't worry, it's not as complicated as it looks, and its a lot to read, but might be worth it for you).
Zeb
Well, I got Cyanogen Mod, and so far I'm very happy with it. Definitely will try out the widgets from above
Me too... went for Zebwen's suggestion above (Thanks!) and pretty happy with it. Took a bit of customisation to get it nice, but now I know how easy it is to flash, I'll probably try a few.
Am I right in thinking I can do as many Nandroid backups as I want, and later on, restore to any previous, full setup, including Apps and data?
Verified my own question on Nand backups.
I had a problem yesterday with the camera force closing... is this a known issue? Reboot seems to have cured it so far, but despite the rest of the ROM being fine, the camera does seem a bit 'iffy'. Exposure wouldn't adjust when using it with barcode scanner the other day.
I know a lot of people totally hate Blur. I just want to know what exactly do you guys like and don't like about it? I really don't like Blur too much, but it does have a lot of features I like. I personally like a little Blur in my ROMs.
The only thing I really liked about Blur was the change in appearance to the text message conversations. They were little bubbles, which I personally thought looked cleaner than the current text message style.
That, and also for some reason with the stock Blur on my phone, my D2 never made a noise when connecting to USB charging. Now that I have Fission ROM, it makes a notification noise every time.
Small things, and I'm much happier without any Blur.
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I love the dialer and the email client
I like the rich text in the email client. Unfortunately, the rest of the email client is awful. Unless I just didn't dig deep enough to find it, I couldn't find settings for update and notification for individual email accounts. So, I was stuck with the same polling schedule and notification scheme for all of my accounts. Also, I didn't like having text messages in the same interface as email. I understand that people may like that, and there are plenty of apps out there to do that. I don't want that to be the default behavior on my phone.
I really do like the text select. It's pretty smooth. From what I've seen, Gingerbread is using a pretty similar text-selection style. This is probably Blur's biggest (only?) real positive.
I despise the Facebook app. Or maybe it's the Accounts app. I only want to sync Facebook contacts that have a contact in one of my other accounts (gmail, corporate, etc.). So, I was stuck with all Facebook contacts even though I really only cared about 50 of 'em (Hey, I know I'm not the only one).
I do not like the accounts app. When attempting to set up an Exchange account, upon failure, I had no options. Under stock Android I have the option to modify some params - like the login domain (an essential change with my company's Exchange setup). With blur, I can't use my company email/calendar without some other app (like Touchdown). With stock android, it only takes a few seconds to update a connection param to something non-standard to get it working.
The worst thing about Blur is the set of services running on the device for the blur apps. They take up processor time and memory even when you're not using any blur widgets or blur applications.
The onscreen keyboard is slightly better than standard, but I've got a physical keyboard so I really don't use the onscreen one except for the most simple of inputs.
I don't like the image gallery. Lots of people seem to like this and I suppose I can understand. It's a good app, overall. I'm just used to the stock gallery.
And of course there's the bloat. Devices with Motublur come with a helluva lot of apps that I really have no desire to ever use, but there they are taking up space. In some cases, they run in the background sucking up memory. At the very least, they take up a MB or two that I could user for an app that I actually want.
So, overall, I really don't like Motoblur.
I really wish manufacturers/service providers would stick to base Android. If they really want to differentiate themselves via software I think they should have an installation package that would add their own apps (and/or replace default apps).
The hardware is great, but I really don't want those damned motoblur modifications. So, I'm glad that there are devs creating vanilla roms for moto devices.
I like the dialer and contacts apps a lot with blur. That's about it though. The bloatware and extra useless processes on it slows the phone down noticeable. Switching home screens is laggy and choppy with the blur launcher. I honestly don't need 50 widgets to see what everyone on facebook is doing seeing as how I'm not 14 years old.
And THANK GOD this phone doesn't have full blur or it would be so slow it would be unusable...
Sent from my Motorola Droid 2 with Fission 2.4.1
i like the social networking status widget. thats about it. lol
I love the resizable Blur widgets a lot, and I love the idea of linking different source of contacts. But I still have a lot to complain about the contact app:
* It mix social network with my contacts without clear visual clue, like colored tags, for me to distinguish them easily; (I withdraw this point now)
* It does not offer necessary filters like 'sort by family name' and 'hide contacts w/o phone number' ;
* It does not support non-english names as well as the stock app: for example, Chinese names are totally unordered;
* When sms is deleted, it's still in the contact's history, WTF!
If moto would fix theses small but fraustrating issues, I would love to use Blur-enhanced phone.
Sent from my MotoA953 using XDA App
Where are you guys getting that you can't hid fb contacts? Hit menu->show/hide->and the click your fb account and uncheck all contacts. It will hide any fb contact not linked to an already existing contact
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@Botnryan
Thanks, but I was trying to mean that tags should be used to give user a better clue when showing all contacts. Anyway I agree that's too picky, and I would withdraw that point.
botnryan said:
Where are you guys getting that you can't hid fb contacts? Hit menu->show/hide->and the click your fb account and uncheck all contacts. It will hide any fb contact not linked to an already existing contact
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Where is that option? It was certainly not on the Facebook app on the D2G before I rooted and installed a vanilla rom.
I came from stock android on the original Droid to Motoblur on the D2G. Within the stock facebook app, under options, there's a simple selection about what you want to sync: all, only existing contacts, none. I assure you that these options do not exist in Motoblur. Now that I'm on the Fission 2.4.2 rom, I see the same old options and can sync contacts the way I want.
The biggest reason I removed it was battery life. My battery life is almost twice as good after removing blur. Although I did kinda like the launcher and the contacts, it wasn't worth my phone dying halfway through the day.
Oh and I almost forgot about the alarm! Oh how I miss how the alarm slowly got louder. It was awesome! I need to look for a new alarm app....
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Putting blur on the phone is like putting a 500 pound man in a Ferrari.
You are not going anywhere with any sort of speed whatsoever.
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Where is that option? It was certainly not on the Facebook app on the D2G before I rooted and installed a vanilla rom.
I came from stock android on the original Droid to Motoblur on the D2G. Within the stock facebook app, under options, there's a simple selection about what you want to sync: all, only existing contacts, none. I assure you that these options do not exist in Motoblur. Now that I'm on the Fission 2.4.2 rom, I see the same old options and can sync contacts the way I want.
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Not in fb app. In the contacts app..hit the menu soft key and then show/hide
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blur is not so bad as features, but slows the phone down and uses a lot of cpu
ive not really had anything to compare it to but i dont have a problem with blur at the moment. ive dragged all the blur social widgets off of my homescreens as i dont use them. from the screenshots ive seen i actually prefer the green call button and blue contacts button over the standard android ones. the contacts app is nicely laid out, but dont know if thats motorola or just how it is anyway on android.
dont have a problem with the messaging app since ive got Handcent sms installed instead which is awesome and i cant recommend it high enough.
for peace of mind i would of liked to be able to uninstall the stock music player and other stuff i dont use.
also, if you dont want to use motoblur you dont have to sign up for the account. just hit the squares button and select Skip setup when you first set up your phone...
milestone 2.
I like the SMS app alot except no notifications when receiving MMS. Checked my settings and they are setup right so I just see it as one small flaw. Other than that blur can go away
If you've never experienced the phone without blur you wouldn't know you were missing anything. I mean they didn't put out an incomplete thing it's just not that efficient. That's why the Developers have made their stuff so that we can experience new software on the phones. I really like the speed of everything besides stock and the themes and animations make it all just click.
I don't mind Moto Blur. It doesn't have to be visible and some of the widgets are clean looking and ok well.
Count yourselves lucky you weren't a Xperia x10 owner like I was. You'd have a stupid timescape app that was poitnless compared to an app and it would automatically start up from time to time and your android version would be mutalated to the point where you expect features to be missing rather than included.
Moto Blur just need to suck less power that's all.
"Most truths were once deemed Blasphemy"
Blur eats resourses which drains the battery and it's laggy. You really need to try a Blur-free ROM just to see for yourself the difference in performance.
<insert plug for Fission here>
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Hi U all !
I just would like to know why this huge difference in performance between any GingerBread rom and any htc sense rom...
I love stock roms but I use my phone also for my work, and htc mail / dialer functions (groups and GAL GAL GAL) are a MUST for me...
All sense roms I have tried are extremely slow and totally useless in my opinion.. Why ?? All GingerBread I have tried are like 20x (or even more) faster than sense roms... is like using windows 7 with a x86486 compared with a i7....
I also need tomtom so for me nand is not an option...
Is there any fast and actual (bugless) sense rom ?? And when I say fast i mean compared with gingerbread roms... not with other slow roms...
Any news for a gingerbread with htc sense ?
I have tried all sense roms that exists here in XDA .
Any way to install htc mail / dialer in gingerbread ? Any other native alternative ?
Functions I missed in stock dialer / mail:
* Dialer:
- T9 phone contact search
- Groups
- GAL search (Global address list)
* Mail:
- Improved tasks and calendar entries integration
- Send a mail to multiple destinations using GAL
- Press in a GAL contact name (inside a mail) and be able to see more info (GAL info)
I miss more things... but these are really important for me...
Any idea / help ??
Really ty for all.
dandiest makes some awesome Sense builds(DesireZ 3.5 is great). They get most in Quadrant and 3D, but for some reason, 2.3 just feels faster. It gets less in Quadrant and benchmarks, but it feels faster. I recommend you use DesireZ 3.5 with ext4, it is by far the fastest sense build.
Hi !
First of all really ty for the answer.
I have been trying that build since first version and I try every update...
At least for me is not fast... In some moments build is ok but under just medium load it turns slow and unstable... When u try to install / update some apks for example the rom runs so slow and laggy... and "alt tab" + notifications bar is instant-respond 1 of each 30 tries... There is something in all sense roms that makes me think there is a bottleneck....
Cope / americandroid.... runs smooth under idle / medium / and full load... U can install apks and all is working great at same time.. notification bar is instant respond 100% and when u press home u go instantly to home... no matter when u press it... "Alt Tab" is also 100% instant respond...
WM + CHT sense is better and runs infinite faster than android sense.... so out of apps like whatsapp, tango and various more there is no reason to use android having a fast WM with more functionality and much faster....
I really like android but I hate to be able to have coffe between pressing a button and the next...
Istarth said:
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WM + CHT sense is better and runs infinite faster than android sense.... so out of apps like whatsapp, tango and various more there is no reason to use android having a fast WM with more functionality and much faster....
I really like android but I hate to be able to have coffe between pressing a button and the next...
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You are right, WM sometimes feels smoother than Android for example when you call somebody or open contacts, sms - no lag. Also when you move your phone away of your head - there is a LAG that kills me. When install apk - system lags a lot. Strange! I like Android but for daily phone calls I prefer WinMo - because no lags in phone part
Use RAM build or MOTO maxtouch 4G its fast like RAM and have features like desire hd
Yeah, sense roms is very slow. I try too nearly all sense roms and all of its laggy.
I'm now using Nand MIUI Stock (Works perfect, fast boot, not lag like Gingerbreads), I'm also trying to run SD darkstone SuperRAM Sense v0.1 (Boot AD SD in MAGLDR but everytime says Preparing SD Card and freeze, I can't solve it)
I'm also try DL Desire 3.5, DL Desire HD 1.1, DL Desire HD 2.0, AF403 DesireHD, Rafdroid HD v2.3, Stock Desire on EU HD2 v2 but everyone of this builds is laggy.
First boot great but adding google account, adding facebook and twitter accounts and phone starts syncing lag is starting.
When installing apps you can't do anyting just wait the installer.
I don't believe Quadrant Scores, because score says 1500+ but phone is useless.
MIUI Stock gets 1300+ but works great
Hi, I can completely understand your problem, before nand the best rom i used was this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=791835 it's fast snappy and has sense... i tried about 20 builds.
Does a car drive any faster with a 300-pound man sitting inside?
Come on, if you can't live with it then get a native android with sense.
If you can't afford to buy one then live with that!
Devs are trying their best to do what they do best yet you do your whine also at your best.
"EXTREMELY slow" is an exaggeration! Besides, you are comparing it to non-sense builds. Compare one sense build to another sense build rather than sense build to a non-sense build.
Reality check, it is your choice which build you want to install. Instead of whining, why won't you cook your own rom?
I have WF with Alpha Rev X S-OFF and Jokerdroid 4.2
It is now the fastest ROM with Sense, and there's no doubt about that.
I've read that there is not enough system memory to run Gingerbread-Sense ROM, but maybe it is possible to create some free space.
What is really great about Sense:
- clock with timer, stopwatch
- Facebook integration (espacially calendar)
- dialer and phonebook
- camera app
some people will also like Flickr integration, News Weather and so on...
But I thing we really don't need:
- HTC launcher, which is rubbish and You can't personalize it like Launcher Pro or (imho best - Go Launcher)
- all HTC Widgets as a result
- stupid services, that make nothing more than slowing down the phone (like HTC Checkin)
I got rid of a few apps, like Checkin service, DCS Service, Weather Service, and the phone runs very smooth, I got over 1000 on AntutuBenchmark which is rather a lot.
I'm wondering if there's a chance to get rid of some more Sense crap, that consumes RAM and ROM and only keep it with really good features, that no one has replaced yet, like Facebook integration, dialer.
I'm no developer and all I can do in my phone is deleting some apps / files or editing text files, but is it possible to make it any better at this point? Have anybody tried to cook a ROM with only selected Sense Apps deleting useless services and libraries as well?
This is my first post, so don't get mad
Actually that is not a bad idea at all. I believe there were already some attempts to do that by means of hybrid-sense roms. But I guess there was not enough demand for those roms. I for one would love to have that kind of a rom.
Right now, I am on Jokersdroid 4.2 as well. I installed AntTek App Manager and try to remove/uninstall some of the HTC programs but since I dont really understand what some of those apps do, I can't delete them. I am experimenting with FREEZE function for a while, and if I get no errors/misfunctions then I uninstall them.
All I need from a sense ROM is it's simply beautiful dialer. Rest I can live without.
I don't believe that there is no demand for fast ROM with the best of SENSE. I know barely anything about linux and Android as an OS, but deleting some unused libraries and other stuff cannot ruin the OS, can it? Maybe it will be possible to enable JIT then...
Devs, please look at this thread!!!
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I don't believe that there is no demand for fast ROM with the best of SENSE. I know barely anything about linux and Android as an OS, but deleting some unused libraries and other stuff cannot ruin the OS, can it? Maybe it will be possible to enable JIT then...
Devs, please look at this thread!!!
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Sense rom is rather propritary not AOSP rom - get few apps where this functionality is allready implemented as in sense rom - weather with clock - and many additions not available in stock sense is fancy widgets, contacts manager much better than htc contacts - youlu has more power, camera ? ....
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