From what I gather from trolling on both XDA and the Tmo forums this update is bricking phones regardless of root, voodoo, ocfl, kernel perhaps people should avoid the update pending a more in depth investigation of what exactly is going on. If gps is needed flash the JI2 files found here and that should hold you over for now. This is a worse problem than the ones that came in the captivate and the sprint galaxy s.
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I updated manually through odin and it worked just fine. I first went back to stock and started fresh. Gps test found six birds and locked on four thats the best I ever had sitting in front of my doorstep in a heavily wooded area. It would usually find at the most two and would not lock to any. So far so good.
Only speaking for myself.... I flashed it and it's fine. I hope this isn't just a bunch of people freaking out that phone stays at the Galaxy S splash screen for a while and remove the battery or something, thereby f*cking up something. But I don't doubt you.
How to fix your phone and apply the update:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=803492
My concern comes from the overwhelming amount of people that seem to have that problem I for one I'm going to play it safe and wait til a stable rom based on this release is well released.
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Only speaking for myself.... I flashed it and it's fine. I hope this isn't just a bunch of people freaking out that phone stays at the Galaxy S splash screen for a while and remove the battery or something, thereby f*cking up something. But I don't doubt you.
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It wasn't hanging on the Galaxy S splash screen. It was hanging at the Vibrant screen. The logcat clearly shows an endlessly looping segfault.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8525623#post8525623
I have an excerpt of the log, which is similar to another user who had the same issue.
Points of commonality so far with another user who had stock + root + brick is we both disabled the boot sounds + titanium backup + rom manager.
yespinosa said:
My concern comes from the overwhelming amount of people that seem to have that problem I for one I'm going to play it safe and wait til a stable rom based on this release is well released.
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Considering that the people who contribute to the XDA and T-mobile forums represent a fraction of the installed base, "overwhelming" may be an overstatement.
"Lots" of people also report successful installs.
i flashed through odin, so did my roomie, and his friend got the ota. everything went smoothly. i think that we are not hearing nearly as many people that the update went well compared to those who have had issues. we all had root, blackbar mod, mobile ap, captivate camera, and i had gps from ji5. no problems. do a nandroid and put it in a safe place then go for it.
Worked fine for me as well.
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From what I gather from trolling on both XDA and the Tmo forums this update is bricking phones regardless of root, voodoo, ocfl, kernel perhaps people should avoid the update pending a more in depth investigation of what exactly is going on. If gps is needed flash the JI2 files found here and that should hold you over for now. This is a worse problem than the ones that came in the captivate and the sprint galaxy s.
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The only people who should probably avoid the JI6 OTA, are people who fail to understand they have a responsibility for their own potential grief when they mod their phones in ways T-Mobile and Samsung cannot easily account for.
Granted we should hold T-Mobile's butt to the fire if their OTA is indeed soft bricking or hard bricking bone stock unmodified phones, but I don't see any clear evidence of this at all. And it's not too surprising either, as very few people who come here have bone stock devices, and fewer still are willing to revert to bone stock simply to test.
Rather what I see are people utilizing these wonderful forums to do wonderful things to their phones without having to have developed anything remotely approaching a keen understanding of what they've actually done. It's ridiculously easy to mod these phones without having the first clue what you're doing. This leads to many mis-perceptions which easily turn into noise.
There is a level of responsibility you have to take upon yourself if you're going to participate actively in modifying your device. For some it's just easier to deny this responsibility and quest for someone to blame. That may not always be the case, but it's clearly taking place with some few people over this OTA.
Agreed. We are an incredibly tiny segment of the universe of smartphone users out there. The vast majority of people buy an iPhone or Android make calls, sync their contacts and calendar, surf the web, email and text. If you started talking about rooting or jailbreaking they'd look at you like you're insane. The people rooting and modding their phones are a tiny minority, and we assume all the risk when we do it because this is not normal and customary use of the phone. Most people use their phones stock, and people who don't are assuming the risk of things going bad.
I'm fairly convinced after the Captivate OTA fiasco that you put your phone at real risk of not being able to get successful OTAs if you flash custom ROMs or kernels. The deepest I'm willing to go is rooting and lagfixing, but even then I know I'm playing with uncertainty.
masterotaku said:
The only people who should probably avoid the JI6 OTA, are people who fail to understand they have a responsibility for their own potential grief when they mod their phones in ways T-Mobile and Samsung cannot easily account for.
Granted we should hold T-Mobile's butt to the fire if their OTA is indeed soft bricking or hard bricking bone stock unmodified phones, but I don't see any clear evidence of this at all. And it's not too surprising either, as very few people who come here have bone stock devices, and fewer still are willing to revert to bone stock simply to test.
Rather what I see are people utilizing these wonderful forums to do wonderful things to their phones without having to have developed anything remotely approaching a keen understanding of what they've actually done. It's ridiculously easy to mod these phones without having the first clue what you're doing. This leads to many mis-perceptions which easily turn into noise.
There is a level of responsibility you have to take upon yourself if you're going to participate actively in modifying your device. For some it's just easier to deny this responsibility and quest for someone to blame. That may not always be the case, but it's clearly taking place with some few people over this OTA.
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+1 to one of the most cogent comments I have ever seen here.
One footnote about the risks for ordinary end users: If T-Mobile's OTA process bricks a stock phone, apparently the carrier's typical procedure is to replace the phone. If the phone is not stock, the customer is probably on his own for a remedy. Pottery Barn rules are real. Smarphones are not cheap, and having your phone number tied to this handheld computer (or at least the carrier) by contract makes device failure harder to cope with.
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Agreed. We are an incredibly tiny segment of the universe of smartphone users out there. The vast majority of people buy an iPhone or Android make calls, sync their contacts and calendar, surf the web, email and text. If you started talking about rooting or jailbreaking they'd look at you like you're insane. The people rooting and modding their phones are a tiny minority, and we assume all the risk when we do it because this is not normal and customary use of the phone. Most people use their phones stock, and people who don't are assuming the risk of things going bad.
I'm fairly convinced after the Captivate OTA fiasco that you put your phone at real risk of not being able to get successful OTAs if you flash custom ROMs or kernels. The deepest I'm willing to go is rooting and lagfixing, but even then I know I'm playing with uncertainty.
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I've flashed this phone more times than I can count at this point. Soft bricked it at least a dozen times. But all that self imposed grief has got me to where I am now, where I can (hopefully) reliably recover from just about anything. I still cross my fingers every time I crank up Odin3 v1.3, but I no longer visibly sweat!
We're fortunate in that these phones are surprisingly difficult to hard brick for the most part, and that given a bit of legwork one can recover from nearly any bad scenario.
It's better to flash stock ROM and then JI6 ROM manually like me and it works for me like a charm !
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It wasn't hanging on the Galaxy S splash screen. It was hanging at the Vibrant screen. The logcat clearly shows an endlessly looping segfault.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8525623#post8525623
I have an excerpt of the log, which is similar to another user who had the same issue.
Points of commonality so far with another user who had stock + root + brick is we both disabled the boot sounds + titanium backup + rom manager.
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Then I don't know if what I'm about to tell you or not, but I have and use Titanium Backup and ROM Manager. Odin went through smoothly. That leaves the boot sound as the culprit. Had a couple of things metamorphed as well as mobile AP and the GPS files from JI2 installed, if that helps.
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Then I don't know if what I'm about to tell you or not, but I have and use Titanium Backup and ROM Manager. Odin went through smoothly. That leaves the boot sound as the culprit. Had a couple of things metamorphed as well as mobile AP and the GPS files from JI2 installed, if that helps.
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Even though you installed ROM manager, have you used it to install Recovery? Did you have a current ROM backup update.zip file created on your internal sdcard?
I'm just gonna throw my 2 cents in here...i did the update over an edge network and everything was fine..I have rooted then unroot and the ocl
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Hi,
I'm a new Android user and I'm getting the Galaxy S I9000 tomorrow.
I would like to know the tasks to perform to have a "nice" phone aka:
- which firmware to upload (where to get it if its not on the official samsung site)
- which fixes to run (lagfix app isnt needed if proper firmware is applied right?)
- which apps to install if necessary (not gadgets but the ones that are mostly imperative to get a good experience)
- which other steps to take (eg format the phone to another file system?)
- gps fixes (?)
thanks a lot
Depends if you want to void your warranty on the first day or not.
First thing would be to update to the latest official firmware with KIES (if you can get the damn thing to recognise your phone, mine doesn't anymore...) and see if you have any problems with lag or whatever. My phone didn't have any lag once I used a 3rd party task manager. Now I have installed loads of widgets and clocks and crap like that, my phone does lag quite often, but I don't let it bother me as much as with other people.
For me, rooting isn't something I would want to do with such a new phone, I would rather wait for the official FROYO 2.2 update, if that doesn't fix the niggles I have, then I will consider it.
i dont mind the warranty but as far as i could ready going froyo isn't especially a good idea right now if i want it to be sort of stable
I mean JH2(?) or whatever the latest official one you get from KIES, not the leaked FROYO builds from samsungfirmwares. You might want to wait a month before rooting or whatever anyway just in case there's any hardware problems that might not be apparent. Things like screen issues, bluetooth, etc. You don't want to discover a dodgy bluetooth module or something like that just after you have rooted/flashed it and can't claim on the warranty.
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I mean JH2(?) or whatever the latest official one you get from KIES, not the leaked FROYO builds from samsungfirmwares. You might want to wait a month before rooting or whatever anyway just in case there's any hardware problems that might not be apparent. Things like screen issues, bluetooth, etc. You don't want to discover a dodgy bluetooth module or something like that just after you have rooted/flashed it and can't claim on the warranty.
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Yea but even if he roots.. unrooting it (especially with the one click app) is extremely easy/safe.
Well as far as I could gather, hackeclair seems to be a nice rom with most things fixed inside.
I wonder still how i switch the whole phone from vfat to ext4 (if that's possible) and how to backup the original firmware (yeah forum + search = sucks, results are never what you want lol)
bilboa1 said:
Well as far as I could gather, hackeclair seems to be a nice rom with most things fixed inside.
I wonder still how i switch the whole phone from vfat to ext4 (if that's possible) and how to backup the original firmware (yeah forum + search = sucks, results are never what you want lol)
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the latest factory ROM JH2 has everything working properly, unlike what you read on the rest of the forum.
AllGamer said:
the latest factory ROM JH2 has everything working properly, unlike what you read on the rest of the forum.
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thanks
the phone still use vfat tho right?
I'm a linux user, and i'm wondering why it's not on ext ,i'd fear data corruption and poorer performance
i know.. not much of android, learning every minute lol. Suppose will be easier when i get the actual phone tomorrow
bilboa1 said:
thanks
the phone still use vfat tho right?
I'm a linux user, and i'm wondering why it's not on ext ,i'd fear data corruption and poorer performance
i know.. not much of android, learning every minute lol. Suppose will be easier when i get the actual phone tomorrow
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no exactly, it uses linux format, well at least if you are using the Performance hack dubbed as "one click lag fix"
but for people without lag to begin with, it's just a performance boost
As far as I understood the lag fix, its putting critical files into a ext3 ("linux format") image and leaves the rest on vFat, which fixes the lag, but it's hackish, and slower than if the whole phone was ext3 or ext4. also more corruption prone
I don't know how difficult it is to build a "own" rom, since switching to full ext3/4 would mean wiping the phone
I have never experienced this so called "lag" on my phone, and I have been using it for over a month. Makes me wonder just what exactly are they trying to do on their phones...
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Depends if you want to void your warranty on the first day or not..
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With all due respect, this is actually questionable. I haven't seen Samsung ever officially say that rooting or installing custom firmware voids the warranty, so any chance of showing where they say that?
For rooting, they are unlikely to care, because the change is quite basic. Generally, you can simply flash an official firmware before sending to a service centre anyway. Be aware that often companies charge if problems are caused by corrupt (or beta) firmware though, or there are signs of abuse. But this is generally the same with any media player company.. If you do hand them a phone which uses I9000M firmware, not I9000 though, they probably wont be impressed
Also, if the CPU is burnt out and there is evidence of overclocking, they may possibly be reluctant to accept it under warranty.
If Samsung were TRULY concerned though, they wouldn't have allowed access to USB debugging (which is a feature used only by people messing around, and developers). It is a grey area, and obviously, it makes sense to assume they will void your warranty. HOWEVER, the phones have no way of letting anyone know if they have been rooted before and tech support has better things to do than slow down their queue to aggrevate customers for something which rarely causes an issue.
Do keep in mind though, you can't trust every rom (some may be compromised), and if you don't need root, there probably isn't much sense rooting your phone.
Well i don't mind rooting it anyways
I'll probably need it at some point to toy with it too
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Well i don't mind rooting it anyways
I'll probably need it at some point to toy with it too
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yup, you will find a lot of cool software will not work if not rooted, for even something as simple as a backup program.
andrewluecke said:
With all due respect, this is actually questionable. I haven't seen Samsung ever officially say that rooting or installing custom firmware voids the warranty, so any chance of showing where they say that?
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From the email I sent them regarding removing the stock apps:
Please note that this e-mail has come from an outbound response system.
Any direct response to this e-mail will not reach the customer care
inbox. If you do need to contact us again please click on the 'contact
us' link located at the bottom of the email or copy the following into
your Browser:
http://erms.samsungelectronics.com/customer/form/contact/contact_uk.html
Dear XXXX XXXX
Customer Reference: XXXXXXXX
Thank you for contacting Samsung Electronics regarding your mobile phone.
Please accept our sincere apologies for the delay in responding to your enquiry.
With regard to your e-mail, you can remove the Samsung Apps from the screen; however you will not be able to remove them fromthe phone without voiding your warranty. To remove them from the front screen, please press the application and drag it to the bottom of the screen.
I hope this has been of some assistance to you. If you do have any
further queries, please do not hesitate to contact us quoting your 210-
reference number.
Kind Regards
Ana
Samsung Electronics UK
Customer Communication Centre
Tel.: 0845 726 7864 (All calls charged at Local Rate)
Homepage: www.samsung.com/uk
[Product] GT-I9000
I mentioned the apps can be removed by rooting the device, and asked if there was a way to remove them without rooting the phone.
Interesting, but in Apple resellers, they seem to officially say the same thing (but from what I've seen, it was never enforced).
well ive got the phone now (woohoo)
i flashed it to JH2 and it's better indeed but it's the wrong model (no big deal it just works)
i got some issues with flashing, have to use a short usb cable without an possible interference else it just fail in the middle.. the phone doesnt get bricked tho, even with bad flash u can still go in download mode and flash with odin.
then i flashed with the newest froyo, and i didn't find any bug, im not sure which bugs are being talked about with it.
moreover I tested the GPS before upgrading and it sucked. I tested it after upgrade and it was perfect accuracy and much faster lock, so it looks like this firmware also fixes gps somehow
That's it for now ;p
For those holding out on root & awaiting "Official 2.2 OTA", DON'T!! -> read w/in ->>
When I got my Evo, I wanted to wait for the official Sprint ROM/OTA upgrades because I wanted to keep my phone stock. I didn't want root to affect my phone's ability to OTA upgrade and get the latest and greatest from Sprint.
After many advice from others, I decided to root. This is where you will see the repeating theme - "I rooted and loaded a ROM and have never looked back", or "I rooted and upgraded the ROM from the dev section and have never been happier". I certainly agree.
The fact is, when (now IF) the official 2.2 comes out, you will get the EXACT OTA content here just as quickly (probably faster) and be able to flash to that if you wish. Most likely, at that time, you will want an enhanced version such as deodexed. It is not worth holding out on root just because you want the OTA.
With root, you are opening new options such as forcing the phone to roam only, make real/full backups, modify your phone both visually and functionally, and so much more. After root, battery life can certainly be improved by tweaking your phone (remove bloatware, keep unwanted services from starting, etc.)
When I got my Epic, I rooted immediately. I have been running DK28 since it dropped and enjoying what 2.2 has to offer. If/when the official comes out, I will upgrade. There is simply no risk of missing out.
So for you who are on the line, I encourge you to root and move forward. You will have a new world of options and enjoy your phone so much more.
Cheers.
It's true, and we're not that far from seeing a true Gingerbread port too.
Not to mention, with Odin, this phone is extremely hard to FUBAR and very easy to revert back to stock if needed. One click root makes the rooting process brainless...
I was in the same boat a few months ago. I viewed "rooting" as a hack or purposely "damaging" the phone. Eventually, I caved in; everything is hindsight from that point. Now, I will NEVER use a stock ROM again. Having access to the system allows me to take control of the device that I OWN; not Sprint or Samsung. If I don't want and application on the phone, I simply remove it. If I want to change the appearance, I install a theme.
Honestly, if you own an Epic, there's absolutely no reason why you shouldn't root the phone. Heck, I'm not even using 2.2 for the lack of a stable GPS lock...
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Not to mention, with Odin, this phone is extremely hard to FUBAR and very easy to revert back to stock if needed. One click root makes the rooting process brainless...
I was in the same boat a few months ago. I viewed "rooting" as a hack or purposely "damaging" the phone. Eventually, I caved in; everything is hindsight from that point. Now, I will NEVER use a stock ROM again. Having access to the system allows me to take control of the device that I OWN; not Sprint or Samsung. If I don't want and application on the phone, I simply remove it. If I want to change the appearance, I install a theme.
Honestly, if you own an Epic, there's absolutely no reason why you shouldn't root the phone. Heck, I'm not even using 2.2 for the lack of a stable GPS lock...
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I agree with most of this. But from my point of view, I don't even use it for the control, I use it cause it works better. Oh, and the themes. I just hope the devs and themers stick around a while, cause I have this phone for another 20 months :/
new devs and themers will come along. the cdma touch pro 2 is approching 18 months in age and when i stop by that forum, its just as busy as ever, and i dont even recognize the names of roms people are talking about, because the chefs that were cooking when i was rocking that have moved along, but new ones are stepping up in their place.
Installed TrulyEpic 1.2 last night in just a few minutes. No problems at all. GPS is fantastic (I thought it was working before, but now - ) Is it just me, or does the stock ROM limit the display brightness? I think it actually LOOKS better but YMMV.
It's comforting to know that I now have a phone that will probably never be truly obsolete for the next couple years as long as there are ROM builders out there.
but i tried to root using the one click and recovery and had issues it would tell me permission denied at the end after it reboooted, i used z4 to root and it worked fine, tried to use it again and still same thing, then installed rom manager and then try clockwork, nogo. so i took it all off and will jsut deal with it when it comes ota
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Not to mention, with Odin, this phone is extremely hard to FUBAR and very easy to revert back to stock if needed. One click root makes the rooting process brainless...
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I'd agree with you, except that I've had all kinds of issues rooting my Epic, ranging from USB drivers that fail to install, various one click root scripts that error out, a cruddy usb cable from Samsung, and an inability to get Odin to even look at my phone crosseyed.
I'm not brainless ... but nothing about rooting and flashing my phone has been straightforward. After wasting hours wading through (volunteer-written, open source, karmically-blessed) inconsistent instructions, I've lost patience. I just want an official, OTA copy of Froyo that isn't going to brick my phone or waste my time.
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but i tried to root using the one click and recovery and had issues it would tell me permission denied at the end after it reboooted, i used z4 to root and it worked fine, tried to use it again and still same thing, then installed rom manager and then try clockwork, nogo. so i took it all off and will jsut deal with it when it comes ota
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I've never had this problem. There must be something wrong and it isn't the one click. Could be your USB cable. Make sure your phone is in debugging mode. The OP is 100% right. Why use any stock ROM? If we do ever get the OTA, our devs will make it better and in about 100 different flavors.
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I have been holding out but even my patience is tested...
It was tested even more today trying to find a way to root without a PC (as I don't own a PC... well I have one that runs Win2K and no internet at home... yeah.) I did download z4root but it never got past the first screen...it literally loaded for an 1hr the 1st time and 35mins the second before I got ticked and just uninstalled. I may be new to the android scene (long time winmob user that fled after testing a wp7 craptastic phone) but something just isn't right here X/ I mean really.... I simply want flash (outside of skyfire) and to wirelessly tether without having to pay ANOTHER $30 a month.... ...
So yeah, /rant
Ota can come ANY DAY NOW *looks angrily at the sky*
Epic is as Epic does
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I've never had this problem. There must be something wrong and it isn't the one click. Could be your USB cable. Make sure your phone is in debugging mode. The OP is 100% right. Why use any stock ROM? If we do ever get the OTA, our devs will make it better and in about 100 different flavors.
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yea it was set to debug , its the original cable that came with it. i have not tried it on a diff pc, it could be a vista issue
Good point. But unless Samsung or sprint announce the update is out. Somebody has to be stock just incase they quietly release the update.
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yep. Im staying on stock for the simple fact that my phone aint broke why try and fix it lol.
I recently flashed DK28, then converted to ext4 and the bonsai mod. Froyo means I can view more webpages and download the froyo apps from the market place. ADW lancher was slow on 2.2, but lancher pro works fine. Also I wasn't getting great battery life but it's back to normal after I set my screen brightness to automatic. Overall I'm happy with my decision.
I too was one that didn't want to root and I was paying for the sprint hotspot :-\ but once I got the first bill for $130 I quickly youtube how to videos on rooting the epic and never looked back. 2.2 runs great with my only bug being, on some calls out I couldn't hear the other person unless I put it speaker phone. I worked my way around this bug by just hitting the speaker button before every call then quickly hit it again to shut off the speaker. It takes very little effort and I'm happier than ever with my epic and I don't give a rats ass about the OTA 2.2
The reason i first rooted was for wireless tether and to get rid of all the bloatware. After that i found all these awesome root apps like ADFREE and ShootME titatanium back up and many others and i can now not live with out adfree its the best app ever!!
After trying wireless tether it was ok then mobile ap came along and i love it. And for this reason alone im staying stock and honestly this is the first phone that does everything i need and doesnt give me any issues even on stock rom. I did get a custom kernal i flashed a good amount of the 2.1 roms and didnt really care for any of them besides noobnls rom. i mean i like custom roms that are blank of extra bloatware and what not.
But yes i agree dont wait to root, you get so many added benefits to make your phone run fast and get many free apps that are ad supported but because of ad free they are like the real one.
Best decision to root.
And for any reason i need to go back to stock to take the phone in i have all the stock flashables on my sd card so i just flash them and its easy as pie.
One click root never gave me any issues with the samsung cord or with any other cords i have.
I agree, I just got tired of it and rooted and installed a custom ROM (Trulyepic 1.2). It's definitely nice. It's also nice to feel free from the shenanigans of corporations trying to do as little as possible to make money off you while maintaining PR.
I admit, it's a bit scary to do with your phone. I'm lucky in that I've gotten familiar with rooting with my Viewsonic Gtablet, but I have to admit that I was pretty nervous the first time.
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I'd agree with you, except that I've had all kinds of issues rooting my Epic, ranging from USB drivers that fail to install, various one click root scripts that error out, a cruddy usb cable from Samsung, and an inability to get Odin to even look at my phone crosseyed.
I'm not brainless ... but nothing about rooting and flashing my phone has been straightforward. After wasting hours wading through (volunteer-written, open source, karmically-blessed) inconsistent instructions, I've lost patience. I just want an official, OTA copy of Froyo that isn't going to brick my phone or waste my time.
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Hey dude, i haven't rooted my phone and I have the 2.2. rom on my computer... it was super easy to install. If you want the update without having to root, just pm me if you want it, and ill upload it and send u a link. with instructions.
I did the update and my GPS was fubar. I had to flash back to stock and now I'm scared to flash back to 2.2 for fear of losing GPS again. How is your GPS because I really liked froyo but don't want to jeopardize my GPS.
normb8s said:
I did the update and my GPS was fubar. I had to flash back to stock and now I'm scared to flash back to 2.2 for fear of losing GPS again. How is your GPS because I really liked froyo but don't want to jeopardize my GPS.
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My GPS was actually fixed by going to FroYo...but I had some miscellaneous issues, so I flashed back to DI18 and am on SyndicateROM with the Xtreme Kernel. I have to get rid of setCPU soon...1.2 GHz overclock is killing my battery
Im a pure n00b. I'm About to buy my first droid phone. Im very knowledgeable about iphones and the jailbreak world but I'm not sure what would be the benefit of rooting a droid phone. I've heard the droid community is pretty wide open without rooting.
What would be some benefits of rooting a phone like the samsung galaxy s4? I did see that it will allow you to tweak bluetooth to connect a ps3 controller to it wirelessly for emulators but is it anything else that XDA could share to help push me in that direction? any cool features?
Thanks in advance.
I'd say the biggest benefit from rooting is getting rid of that crap that both Samsung and AT&T put on the S4
First thing, droid phones are from Motorola. Call all others android phones. It will save some unnecessary flaming.
Pretty much still running the stock rom on mine, but used root to flash a mod that allows free wifi tethering and hot spot, and an extended power menu.
Flashing roms is also a big reason most people root phones. You can pick and choose what you want(touchwiz roms or aosp) and find one you like.
I wouldnt want an android phone without rooting it.
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I mainly rooted for faux's kernel which removed the launcher lag and the messaging lag that occurs sometimes. I also rooted to removed all the bloatware.
Biggest reasons to root, for me personally, are custom roms, custom kernels, debloating, backing up and restoring apps, theming, overclocking, and undervolting. These are just my reasons personally. There are literally hundreds of other things you can do as a root user that you couldnt do otherwise.
The worst case scenario of rooting being, if you really dont find the benefit for yourself personally, its pretty easy to revert back to stock unrooted. These samsung phones now are basically unbrickable and flashing is really easy, especially if youve went through jailbreaking an iphone... lol rooting a samsung device is way easier imo.
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I root for the deep-level backup capabilities, custom kernels that improve speed and battery life, Pie Control (makes navigating & using a large phone much easier), custom ROMs, mods like Hot Spot and custom themes, and deeper level security apps (firewall, find your phone, etc).
Here are the main reasons while people usually root. In no particular order.
1. Ad blocking
2. Remove unwanted apps "bloatware"
3. Custom ROMs/ advanced custom theming
4. Custom kernels and features such as nandroid backups and under/over clocking etc.
5. Tethering/free hot spot
6. Aosp ROMs
Ultimately think of rooting as taking complete control of your device. You can do pretty much anything depending on your knowledge after you are rooted.
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thanks everybody. starting to like the community already. alot of quick helping people here.
I'm grandfathered in with unlimited at ATT. so free hot spot and removing bloatware talked me into it. thanks.
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First thing, droid phones are from Motorola. Call all others android phones. It will save some unnecessary flaming.
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I was thinking the same thing..lol
How much space are you guys saving when you root and get rid of all the bloatware? How much available space is on your phone before all of your additional aps?
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thanks everybody. starting to like the community already. alot of quick helping people here.
I'm grandfathered in with unlimited at ATT. so free hot spot and removing bloatware talked me into it. thanks.
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There is at least one downside to rooting. You can't take the updates w/o breaking root. I've not rooted my S4 yet, but am thinking about it. I always rooted my HTC phones and it would sometimes take several months for a developer to incorporate updates into a ROM. So that makes me a little gunshy with a new phone like this, as I assume there will be a few updates in the first few months. But it seems like the dev's are much more active and on top of it with the Samsung phones, so I'm tempted to go.
Main reasons I want to go are deep backup, ad blocking and being able to tweak my settings to make it so the home button does not wake up the phone. I know, the latter reason seems silly, but it's a big deal to me.
BTW, you do not need to root to be able to tether. Check out the PDANet+ app. That's what I'm using and it works great wired or via bluetooth.
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There is at least one downside to rooting. You can't take the updates w/o breaking root. I've not rooted my S4 yet, but am thinking about it. I always rooted my HTC phones and it would sometimes take several months for a developer to incorporate updates into a ROM. So that makes me a little gunshy with a new phone like this, as I assume there will be a few updates in the first few months. But it seems like the dev's are much more active and on top of it with the Samsung phones, so I'm tempted to go.
Main reasons I want to go are deep backup, ad blocking and being able to tweak my settings to make it so the home button does not wake up the phone. I know, the latter reason seems silly, but it's a big deal to me.
BTW, you do not need to root to be able to tether. Check out the PDANet+ app. That's what I'm using and it works great wired or via bluetooth.
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You should be able to take otas if you have stock recovery and are just rooted, this is how it was on the S3 at least and I don't see why you can't. Also on the S3 we always got the leaks right before the otas came out so the ROMs would always have the newest builds out before the otas usually, depending on the developer, some didn't like using leaks. But Sextape would always have a leak right before the otas dropped and we had everything usually within a day or two up to a week. But the development there was amazing on the S3. :thumbup:
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You should be able to take otas if you have stock recovery and are just rooted, this is how it was on the S3 at least and I don't see why you can't.
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You can take the OTA, it will just break root. There were several threads here stating that fact here when the MDL OTA came out for the S4.
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You should be able to take otas if you have stock recovery and are just rooted, this is how it was on the S3 at least and I don't see why you can't. Also on the S3 we always got the leaks right before the otas came out so the ROMs would always have the newest builds out before the otas usually, depending on the developer, some didn't like using leaks. But Sextape would always have a leak right before the otas dropped and we had everything usually within a day or two up to a week. But the development there was amazing on the S3. :thumbup:
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Exactly what I was going to say! Sextape always came thru on the e4gt as well. The next update would always be out before the official release. So glad to see him have stuff for the s4 as well.
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You can take the OTA, it will just break root. There were several threads here stating that fact here when the MDL OTA came out for the S4.
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This is generally the case with OTA's, but every year it seems like rooting becomes more straight forwsrd, especially for Samsung. As for MDL it was a specific attribute added by Samsung to tighten up control on deeper root access that broke root, but it was hardly a locked bootloader or anything that severe. Re-rooting was as simple as loading a kernel and then Odining. At this point, most manufacturers are beginning to understand the benefits of the development community. Now if we can just get the carriers to "get it."
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To put it very simple I root my phone to be free and to have my phone the way I wanted it not the way a company wants me to have it
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Once you root your phone and learn all the possibilities that come along with it, you won't go back haha It's a lot of fun after knowing your stuff. reading in this forum is probably one of, if not, the best thing/s you can do
I understand it will be out when its out, but I just migrated from iOS and I would always see postings from certain sites on when the next Jailbreak is coming. I am getting used to Android and I was wondering if anyone has heard anything and if not is this the best place to follow to find out?
There are already mf3 based roms...check the development section
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I understand it will be out when its out, but I just migrated from iOS and I would always see postings from certain sites on when the next Jailbreak is coming. I am getting used to Android and I was wondering if anyone has heard anything and if not is this the best place to follow to find out?
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If you are on the AT&T S4 that has been updated to MF3 we will have to wait until a bootloader exploit is found. There is NO ETA for this and it may take a while... maybe never. Just keep an eye on one of our many bootloader threads and pledge to pay the dev if you want to help motivate.
If you are on a custom rom and waiting for more keep an eye on the development section
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There are already mf3 based roms...check the development section
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I think the problem is that I purchased my GS4 and it came with MF3 pre-installed. Right now they have MDL Roms with MF3 features in it. Last I checked there was no way to flash custom Roms onto a phone that has MF3 on it!
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I think the problem is that I purchased my GS4 and it came with MF3 pre-installed. Right now they have MDL Roms with MF3 features in it. Last I checked there was no way to flash custom Roms onto a phone that has MF3 on it!
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then see my post. Sucks but we are locked down
milkeeway said:
I think the problem is that I purchased my GS4 and it came with MF3 pre-installed. Right now they have MDL Roms with MF3 features in it. Last I checked there was no way to flash custom Roms onto a phone that has MF3 on it!
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You are correct, there is currently not a way to flash custom roms.
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If you are on the AT&T S4 that has been updated to MF3 we will have to wait until a bootloader exploit is found. There is NO ETA for this and it may take a while... maybe never. Just keep an eye on one of our many bootloader threads and pledge to pay the dev if you want to help motivate.
If you are on a custom rom and waiting for more keep an eye on the development section
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Thanks for that information. That is a bummer to hear the realistic possibility that it may never come. I guess I would be extremely bummed as rooting is the main reason I came to Android and bought the S4. I was naive in the sense I thought all S4 were the same. Little did I know there was so many variations. I even came to the forums before I bought it but everything seemed like a foreign language coming from iOS.
Any idea who I might be able to talk to to Pledge some cash to see that it gets worked on?
And also is there any way to see a MOD about this captcha restriction lol!
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Thanks for that information. That is a bummer to hear the realistic possibility that it may never come. I guess I would be extremely bummed as rooting is the main reason I came to Android and bought the S4. I was naive in the sense I thought all S4 were the same. Little did I know there was so many variations. I even came to the forums before I bought it but everything seemed like a foreign language coming from iOS.
Any idea who I might be able to talk to to Pledge some cash to see that it gets worked on?
And also is there any way to see a MOD about this captcha restriction lol!
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Now rooting is available, but this thread is to pledge http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2361870
You can always just buy the tmobile version, they don't have a locked bootloader so you can flash away. Just a thought
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Now rooting is available, but this thread is to pledge http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2361870
You can always just buy the tmobile version, they don't have a locked bootloader so you can flash away. Just a thought
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Thanks for all that info. I am an idiot honestly that's all that can be said. I should have done a little more research before I made a purchase. I traded my iPhone 5 with a little cash on top for a brand new Galaxy S4 on AT&T (My carrier) had I known all of this before I would have searched Craigslist for a T-Mobile version and then sim unlocked it for AT&T...
Guess I learned my lesson, I really wish I could afford to go buy a T-Mobile S4 too but they sell for like $500-$600 out of contract.... Just can't do it and I am stuck with AT&T right now. Meanwhile my buddy who told me I should buy an S4 is laughing his rooted and recovered ass off right now lol...
Good to hear rooting is available
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Good to hear rooting is available
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What can you do with a root if you are not able to install custom roms?
Is there anything I could do in the meantime that would improve the functionality or performance of my phone?
milkeeway said:
What can you do with a root if you are not able to install custom roms?
Is there anything I could do in the meantime that would improve the functionality or performance of my phone?
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You can install a lot of mods which will archive a lot of the same things as a custom rom. You can remove bloat, theme, add things... it is pretty awesome. See the development sections and the themes and app sections to see all the awesome stuff. Some people always stay with stock and just add mods
milkeeway said:
What can you do with a root if you are not able to install custom roms?
Is there anything I could do in the meantime that would improve the functionality or performance of my phone?
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joshuadjohnson22 said:
You can install a lot of mods which will archive a lot of the same things as a custom rom. You can remove bloat, theme, add things... it is pretty awesome. See the development sections and the themes and app sections to see all the awesome stuff. Some people always stay with stock and just add mods
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...you can also do some serious damage, and without recovery, you can easily "Brick" your device... Please be careful what you remove/change/mod, as if you bootloop or fubar your current OS, you will NOT be able to Odin Back to stock to recover just yet...
removing some of the Samsung Apps will break things when they are removed, and TiBU can't always put them back... for now I just froze all the bloatware, and won't remove anything until there is a way to go "Back to Stock"
Hope this helps.
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...you can also do some serious damage, and without recovery, you can easily "Brick" your device... Please be careful what you remove/change/mod, as if you bootloop or fubar your current OS, you will NOT be able to Odin Back to stock to recover just yet...
removing some of the Samsung Apps will break things when they are removed, and TiBU can't always put them back... for now I just froze all the bloatware, and won't remove anything until there is a way to go "Back to Stock"
Hope this helps.
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Those are very good points! No nandroids either. It's best not to mess with a lot of those areas unless you know what your doing.
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slyguy2000 said:
...you can also do some serious damage, and without recovery, you can easily "Brick" your device... Please be careful what you remove/change/mod, as if you bootloop or fubar your current OS, you will NOT be able to Odin Back to stock to recover just yet...
removing some of the Samsung Apps will break things when they are removed, and TiBU can't always put them back... for now I just froze all the bloatware, and won't remove anything until there is a way to go "Back to Stock"
Hope this helps.
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Yeah, thanks for clarifying, I should also let the OP know I have the S4 Active which has the ability to ODIN back to stock if something goes wrong. I do not know if you will have that pleasure so think twice and read before trying anything
I have decided I probably won't take advantage of the root until I can safely make a recovery. I actually posted a $25.00 pledge (I know it isn't much) towards finding a fix for newer users of the S4. People who have to warranty their phones will likely have the update installed.
Crossing my fingers now.
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This would be on hold for awhile until another bootloader fix surfaces, then you will see a whole bunch of MF3 custom roms.
milkeeway said:
I have decided I probably won't take advantage of the root until I can safely make a recovery. I actually posted a $25.00 pledge (I know it isn't much) towards finding a fix for newer users of the S4. People who have to warranty their phones will likely have the update installed. Crossing my fingers now.
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That's probably a good choice and you can enjoy the S4 i337 without doing anything, it is a great phone.
Of course, rooting -basic rooting using the new technique for the MF3 rom-- seems to work well enough for many so far. So please don't view it as jumping off a cliff and hoping to find a vine on the way down or something so bleak.
For your model, which does not currently have as many recovery options as the earlier MDL versions, it certainly pays to be careful and also to understand your options for return or exchange if you do muck up the phone. The trick is to understand the specific risks up front. In this case, what can go wrong in the rooting process and how often does it seem to occur.
Read the XDA thread on this new rooting exploit for MF3 and see exactly what others did to get root without ruining their phone -and do only and exactly the steps that have worked for others. The rooting process takes only a couple of minutes --but so does bricking your phone when it rooting is done incorrectly.
The differences between success and failure are:
1. How much you understand of the procedure?
2. How much you have prepared in advance for what you are doing and trying to accomplish? and
3. How carefully and patiently are you doing each and every step of the process?
I've rooted several phones and tablets and been fortunate to get it right most of the time, or to be able to recover when I did not get it right. Unfortunately, in your case it appears that you need to get it right the first time for rooting, and many many folks have. So while this is very different from the iPhone "click on this site and you're jailbroken" approach, it is not low-percentage surgery either :good::good::fingers-crossed: So, I'd recommend that you continue to read up on that new root technique for MF3:
-- read to see how it is being accepted, what kind of feedback folks have and also
-- how safe/or comfortable folks seem to be in using it. and
-- what problems have come from trying it -bricks? soft bricks? recoverable or not?
I've read the original post (OP) on the exploit, but not all the information is in the one thread.. I am sure there are several threads that echo this development. . . Might have even more information too. After, that you will know if you want to try the rooting step. Or not.
Good Luck!
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- While root does not sound as valuable as being able to switch roms and use full customizations, it does provide quite a bit. For example: you can add (root-requiring) apps like "Titanium Backup" (which not only backsup all of your programs and data, but also can "freeze" programs that are useless and running in the background when you don't want them to do so!) Or Greenify, which has the same functionality for dealing with unwanted apps (better actually!) and apps like Cerberus to help you keep track of your phone or find it if lost.
- Rooting to add these types of add ons, without fiddling with some of the more invasive mods that others have already warned about in the other posts, may be acceptable middle ground for you -it does provide customizations for your phone without stretching the safe use limits very far.
Take your time. . . keep reading and move at your own pace. It's hard to come here, start reading and simply "get it" on first bounce. . .It's just a shame that your friend with the older S4 didn't provide a couple of hints or tips about which versions to by ("buy the red ones"... :laugh so you could have picked up one that is easily customizable. . .(of course if you are still in the 14 day window you might go back and try to exchange for another one and look for a MDL version -according to some posts they seem to be the red ones that no one wanted to buy early on . . . . hmm
Good Luck!
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That's probably a good choice and you can enjoy the S4 i337 without doing anything, it is a great phone.
Of course, rooting -basic rooting my upgradeusing the new technique for the MF3 rom-- seems to work well enough for many so far. So please don't view it as jumping off a cliff and hoping to find a vine on the way down or something so bleak.
For your model, which does not currently have as many recovery options as the earlier MDL versions, it certainly pays to be careful and also to understand your options for return or exchange if you do muck up the phone. The trick is to understand the specific risks up front. In this case, what can go wrong in the rooting process and how often does it seem to occur.
Read the XDA thread on this new rooting exploit for MF3 and see exactly what others did to get root without ruining their phone -and do only and exactly the steps that have worked for others. The rooting process takes only a couple of minutes --but so does bricking your phone when it rooting is done incorrectly.
The differences between success and failure are:
1. How much you understand of the procedure?
2. How much you have prepared in advance for what you are doing and trying to accomplish? and
3. How carefully and patiently are you doing each and every step of the process?
I've rooted several phones and tablets and been fortunate to get it right most of the time, or to be able to recover when I did not get it right. Unfortunately, in your case it appears that you need to get it right the first time for rooting, and many many folks have. So while this is very different from the iPhone "click on this site and you're jailbroken" approach, it is not low-percentage surgery either :good::good::fingers-crossed: So, I'd recommend that you continue to read up on that new root technique for MF3:
-- read to see how it is being accepted, what kind of feedback folks have and also
-- how safe/or comfortable folks seem to be in using it. and
-- what problems have come from trying it -bricks? soft bricks? recoverable or not?
I've read the original post (OP) on the exploit, but not all the information is in the one thread.. I am sure there are several threads that echo this development. . . Might have even more information too. After, that you will know if you want to try the rooting step. Or not.
Good Luck!
P.S.
- While root does not sound as valuable as being able to switch roms and use full customizations, it does provide quite a bit. For example: you can add (root-requiring) apps like "Titanium Backup" (which not only backsup all of your programs and data, but also can "freeze" programs that are useless and running in the background when you don't want them to do so!) Or Greenify, which has the same functionality for dealing with unwanted apps (better actually!) and apps like Cerberus to help you keep track of your phone or find it if lost.
- Rooting to add these types of add ons, without fiddling with some of the more invasive mods that others have already warned about in the other posts, may be acceptable middle ground for you -it does provide customizations for your phone without stretching the safe use limits very far.
Take your time. . . keep reading and move at your own pace. It's hard to come here, start reading and simply "get it" on first bounce. . .It's just a shame that your friend with the older S4 didn't provide a couple of hints or tips about which versions to by ("buy the red ones"... :laugh so you could have picked up one that is easily customizable. . .(of course if you are still in the 14 day window you might go back and try to exchange for another one and look for a MDL version -according to some posts they seem to be the red ones that no one wanted to buy early on . . . . hmm
Good Luck!
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Well my Galaxy S4 on MF3 I actually bought on craigslist so the only exchange options are through the manufacturer. What I ended up doing was going to AT&T and using my upgrade to buy another S4 I just told the sales Representative to look on the side of the box for MDL software version or I was not going to upgrade. He was happy to make the sale. Now I have two s4
I just got my Moto X Pure Edition (THIS one) and I really want to root it and get all the things I had with my G3 and back when I had an JB'd iPhone 4s, but my experience with the G3 was terrible.
I ended up having to RMA it 4 times through my insurance because there was something I was using on the G3 that slowed it to a vista-esque pace, and despite lots of reading on this site and others I managed to brick it :silly: 4 times :silly: in 4 different ways just trying to put it back to stock. It cost me far too much money but I was stupid enough to keep trying before finally settling on stock to avoid more issues.
I love this new phone, but I know I could tweak it more to what I like and from what it looks like in Heisenberg's Guide it is fairly safe and simple as far as roots go. I feel so stupid having screwed up with the LG that I don't want to try it. I'm a CS major and I've spent so much time messing with all sorts of things I never thought it would be a problem.
So my question is, within the realm of using Xposed and a few root apps/functions (no custom ROMs or anything just because I can't afford not having a phone for a week if I ruin it again), is it relatively safe to root the X Pure and are these tools (Universal Tool, Restore to stock tool) or a manual set of steps a good bet for returning to stock and removing root? I just want to make sure if I end up over my head I can get back to stock and be happy with what is already a great phone. Sorry if I sound like a huge _____ but I'm still in school and I want to avoid further grief as best I can.
From what I've been hearing, the 808 is a tricky processor... Besides xposed and regular terminal code changes, such as screen density, you should be good. Although, if your going in and messing with code idk what to say, experienced devs are even having a tough time getting this thing to boot on their custom ROMs...
You probably shouldn't mess with your phones anymore.
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Another thing just to keep in mind when talking people about your qualifications, saying you are getting your Computer Science degree is pretty broad. First, we don't know what year you're in and second we don't know your concentration. I have a BBA for instance. A BBA in what though? If I went applying to random jobs, or trying to network that would leave more questions than answers. What do I have a BBA in? Well mine is in Management, so yes I can do basic accounting, financing, marketing, but my concentration is being able to interpret financial data and making decisions that would benefit a company or organization. Does that make me advanced enough to be an accountant, even though we both have BBAs? Hell no! Same goes for CS. You may be getting your computer science degree, but are you majoring in Network Security, Hardware, C++, Java, Oracle, etc... There is so much information missing that just stating "I'm getting my CS degree" isn't enough for anyone to give you a solid answer, especially not knowing what year you are in. If you are a junior, then you've just barely scratched the surface of what you will be studying for the next 2 years. Just a little FYI for future sakes :thumbup:
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Well that's helpful.
Didn't think to specify, my bad, yeah I'm just a junior and I feel like I haven't learned much in the way of things. I just want to get a few small things from xposed and others, no plans on changing anything myself
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You bricked 4 G3s. It's time to find a new hobby. I suggest one that doesn't include the destruction of expensive electronics.
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I own Oneplus One and rooted immediately with blisspop rom. I can't use phn without root access coz almost all ma apps need root permission. Yes its risky to root a costly device but if u need it so desperately den u should definitely root it....
Again, thanks for the positive input. I bricked them following the stock flashing methods on this website, I wasn't just shooting in the dark. And out of another half dozen phones I've only ever had an issue with the G3. Can you not? I'd like to learn here, not argue.
U having plm installing recovery on ur g3???
When it comes to just simply rooting and installing xposed, I don't see how you can brick it following step by step instructions. I will say this. If you brick it and you can't figure out how to get it back to stock, Motorola has made it clear you're on your own. So there's that, but using a simple toolkit can make a worlds difference in preventing mistakes. Yes, you'll feel like an amateur, and let's be honest, you are right now, but it beats losing $400.
You also just got it and you have no idea if you have any hardware issues that many have had to RMA within the first week for. So maybe sitting on it for a week or 2 couldn't hurt to eliminate that possibility as well (Bad CPU/GPU, Speaker, Light Leakage, loose parts when shaken, excess battery drain/heat, and turbo charge randomly not working, etc.). Motorola/Lenovo were at first being lenient about replacing these even with unlocked bootloaders and even giving people a month to send these back, they are wising up and change the rules since people have been making such a big fuss about the bootloader thing, and posting about the one month holding time (now I've read recently it's 3 days?), so just be careful, that's all.
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When it comes to just simply rooting and installing xposed, I don't see how you can brick it following step by step instructions. I will say this. If you brick it and you can't figure out how to get it back to stock, Motorola has made it clear you're on your own. So there's that, but using a simple toolkit can make a worlds difference in preventing mistakes. Yes, you'll feel like an amateur, and let's be honest, you are right now, but it beats losing $400.
You also just got it and you have no idea if you have any hardware issues that many have had to RMA within the first week for. So maybe sitting on it for a week or 2 couldn't hurt to eliminate that possibility as well (Bad CPU/GPU, Speaker, Light Leakage, loose parts when shaken, excess battery drain/heat, and turbo charge randomly not working, etc.). Motorola/Lenovo were at first being lenient about replacing these even with unlocked bootloaders and even giving people a month to send these back, they are wising up and change the rules since people have been making such a big fuss about the bootloader thing, and posting about the one month holding time (now I've read recently it's 3 days?), so just be careful, that's all.
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Sounds like a solid plan. With the G3 rooting was always easy but the only known way that I had found for the t mobile model was to use the LG flashing tool that looked a lot like the one they used in-house to restore it, and despite following a pretty straightforward guide there were 3 different errors I got right towards the end of the process that would lock the phone in a download mode state. After using TWRP to get it back to being usable I'd still be stuck with root, and trying a few other ways would screw me.
As far as using the tools, are the 2 I linked in the OP the proper ones to be using? I'll definitely hold off on it for a while to make sure nothing comes up, thanks for that info. I'm guessing the 2 year protection plan is moot if I'm stuck with no way to erase evidence of a software issue arising from root, so that's a thing to think about as well. Do you know if unlocking the bootloader voids that protection plan? I'm looking for the TOS.
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I could not have said this any better.
Judging from the attitudes of you two it's a wonder I stopped using this forum. Thanks fellas, really shows the quality of the community here.
I have always rooted my phones from my original HTC incredible, galaxy nexus, HTC DNA, and HTC ONE M8... that being said I am very familiar with HTC and how they work and I always had the HTC RUU file ready in case of emergency but never had to use it. I'm not sure if Motorola has a RUU file or a Fastboot IMG like Nexus devices that can bring your phone back from the dead as this is my first Moto because I never wanted to deal with the encrypted bootloader on the VZW moto phones.
I honestly can say that I have been finding root less and less needed since my M8 and I dont think I will unlock or root my Pure Edition.
The reason is that there is no bloat that I cant get rid of, I see no need for a custom kernel since the newer processors are really fast, it basically runs stock android so its not bogged down by Sense or touchwiz.
I honestly can say I like the minor additions Moto has made with the Pure Edition... I have used exposed and I really dont see the use for most of its functions for more than a week before its just gimmicky.
Once updates are stopped or the Development community is way ahead of OTA updates we will still have an easy OEM process to unlock root and flash. But for now I'm sticking with what I paid for... The Moto experience
My favorite XDA line in ages, "I feel I haven't learned much in the way of things"
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If you follow step by step instruction you will be ok.... I have rooted tons of phones and bricked a couple but was able to fix them. Its a chance you take but hey if you mess up it is a excuse to get a new cell lol. But honestly your streak with rooting is bad, maybe you shouldn't try anymore.
DrPhill94 said:
Judging from the attitudes of you two it's a wonder I stopped using this forum. Thanks fellas, really shows the quality of the community here.
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I'm sorry I offended you. Based on your history I think it a bad idea for you to mess with your phone. Not what you wanted to hear but I honestly think it's the truth. Not all computer science majors can handle phone tech. How many of your classmates have iPhones? How many of them with Android phones root?
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jiggyb21 said:
My favorite XDA line in ages, "I feel I haven't learned much in the way of things"
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Come on, don't pigeon hole everyone on XDA. You had to have known you were going to receive some sarcastic replies. That's like Plaxico Burress asking what kind of gun he should buy next. The consensus here seems to be genuine. You shouldn't mess with root anymore but it's your money. Thing is, rooting is not hard and not dangerous if you follow directions closely, yet you've managed to brick several devices. I rooted my phone to install Xposed but due to battery issues I have stopped using it. Look in the Xposed thread for more info. I would say just wait, its not worth it now IMO.
IMO, the only reason to root is to install AdAway.
Can't stand Ads. But other than that, the experience that Motorola has set up for us is perfect. I won't be adding anything else like Xposed, or install a custom ROM until I get bored with my phone, which will probably be in another six months. I've set myself up with an unlocked bootloader and root for when the time comes though. But for now, I'm happy.
I gotta say that to me (sophmore in college as a Biology major, completely unrelated to compsci), it seems pretty hard to brick a phone just trying to root it. Especially with the very detailed guides that Hesisenberg has set up for us, thank that man.
You gotta decide if what you plan on doing with your root is worth it though. I spent about 1.5 hours rooting my phone, and I'm not even sure that the time was worth AdAway.