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Hey all,
I know everyone here is a Hero user probably. I'm a current HTC Touch Pro user and wanted to switch to the HTC Hero. However, today the Samsung Moment was announced and hardware wise it seems to be everything I wanted from the Hero...but without the software (HTC Sense). I'm very familiar with the HTC interface through Touch Pro rom hacks/upgrades and would want the Sense UI on the Moment (and am assuming it may be possible but only through Rom flashes not just an apk install). Anyway, what other reasons would you all say its worth just getting the Hero? Or should I just wait the extra 3 weeks and get the Moment? Ugh, so frustrating...thanks!
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Except that the Samsung phone might never "feature" here as it's not an HTC device!
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I also reached this dilemma, but have decided to purchase the Hero when it comes out on sunday, and if I dislike it, I'll have the 30 days to use it then trade it for the Moment. I too would desire the sense UI on the Moment, and also I haven't read anywhere if the Moment's screen is capacitive or not.
I'm pretty sure both the Hero and the Moment have capacitive screens.
I'm in the same boat as you -- currently using a Touch Pro and extremely sick of Windows Mobile. Is Sense UI a bigger improvement over the standard Android interface than, say TouchFlo is over Titanium? Because I'm fine with Titanium. I actually prefer that it's so much snappier than TF3D.
Also, does XDA ever support non-HTC phones? Will there ever be roms for the Moment? It just seems like a far better choice than the Hero, hardware-wise.
Awesome, if it's capacitive, I am definitely getting it.
I like the Sense UI because of the widgets and customizing aspect of it, easy access to twitter, facebook, contacts, etc...
But I will sacrifice it for better hardware
Capactive yes, but I have yet to read if it supports multi touch. Thats the screen factor I'm most interested in. This makes for much better on screen typing. The on screen keyboard is pretty good in landscape, so I'll live without the qwerty. It's one more mechanical system to fail as well.
From what I've seen the HTC interface on Andoid does not cause much lag as opposed to TF3D does to winmo. I came from a touch diamond to the touch to run the android port and it's sick, even stripped down android is better than winmo imo.
I pre-ordered the hero from Best Buy and am a rewards zone member, so I get to pick mine up tomorrow (they have them in tonight ) Reading that post on the Moment introduction gave me second thoughts, but the phone prior to the Diamond was an Instinct, leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
So which phone does everybody think they will mod the most...?..The Hero since its HTC or the Moment...I do like the physical keyboard on the Moment, but I will be picking my Hero up tomorrow..I am so confused...I hate it..LoL..
Although I'm HTC all the way, I have to say, Samsung has them beat in every category really in my playbook. Yes the 5MP on the Hero is better and the device is more pocketable (plus of course Sense which brought up this original dillemma) but I have to wonder, aren't most of the sense widgets (except say the dialer and the contact interface) just simple .APK files that I can put on the Moment if I go that route? I must say though, I think a phone's software is what makes the hardware shine. That being said, a lot of great hardware implemented the wrong way could lead to a fast but not so useful device. The dillemma is killing me but gladly I do have a Touch Pro, so I can live with a custom rom until Nov comes around and maybe even Dec so I can see the progress of porting the Hero's sw.
for me the question is 800 mhz and qwerty....oorrrr.....htc sense...i reallllly love sense...like alot alot it works great on my magic..but man 800mhz cpu is gonna be really great for flash content and emulators and hopefully somebody starts making a psx emulator for android
...but then again im pretty sure someone is going to port sense to the samsung if the brilliant developers here are able to port moto blur to g1s and magic
I'm in the same boat. I've been planning on getting the Hero since hearing it would be available on Sprint, but just saw the details of the Moment today and it gave me reason to reevaluate.
I prefer the Hero in every way except for the faster processor and the camera flash of the Moment. The OLED screen is a wash because although the picture is better, I've heard the transflective LCD screens are easier to read in direct sun, which is an important feature for me. I don't have an opinion on the trackpad vs trackball. And I think I'm in the minority because I'd rather not have the physical keyboard if it means any additional bulk. I also like what I've heard in the Hero reviews of the build quality and solid feel, while the first hands-on reports of the Moment comment that it feels "plastic-y" and a little cheaper. I've been pleased with the quality of the HTC phones I've had in the past and I think their support is pretty good too as far as getting updates out for their devices. Never dealt with Samsung before.
So, I'm still planning on sticking with the Hero and hopefully will have it in the next few days.
Ehh, if I was a keyboard junkie I'd go for the Moment. But I'm not; haven't had a hardware keyboard since 2007. I will be picking my Hero up tomorrow though.
It's good to see I'm not the only perturbed by this. Until yesterday, I was ready to wait until December for something bigger and better to come along. To prepare, I decided to figure out how much something like the TP2 would cost me. Even with full upgrade credit, I'd have to dish out $350 to get it.
The problem for me is that I'm waiting for something even higher-end (Android, i.e. 1Ghz + VGA+ resolution) than the TP2, so now I'm considering lowering my expectations and going for either the Hero or the Moment.
My problem with both phones is that the resolution (320x480). Why couldn't they have at least VGA like the TP!?
I have the hero and prefer SenseUI over standard Android (gf has the g1). The faster processor on the moment is a nice touch but I find the Hero's speed to suffice for my needs. Plus I love all the HTC widgets that don't come with standard Android..e.g. Peep, weather, etc. I think the next worthy upgrade is the HTC Dragon and the release date on that one is anyone's guess.
I have the same dilemma myself. I prefer the smaller size and virtual keyboard of the Hero as well as the sense ui.
The Moment's 800MHz processor will probably help with future Android enhancements which is important, since I will be with either the Hero or Moment for the next 2 years.
The Moment's camera is also most likely superior to the Hero's given Samsung's track record of decent optics. The Hero may have 5 MP, but every review says that its quality is only mediocre. Samsung phones have generally been very good despite lower resolutions. Since most of the time all my pictures are scaled down anyway, and neither of these are digital camera replacements, I would call the 5 MP/3 MP difference moot.
Also, it appears that the Moment may have better battery life judging purely from estimated talk time.
The camera and battery performance need to be verified though, so it looks like we will have to wait for a proper review.
It's a tough choice. While I would prefer HTC's sense ui, I really don't mind Android's vanilla interface either so it's more of a virtual keyboard/size/battery life issue for me.
If I know XDA well enough they'll be able to extract the Sense UI pretty quickly. Further, I could see rom cooks build this into future custom roms on the Samsung Moment.
Call me advantageous coming from a Touch Pro scene. I have complete faith in custom roms as they have provided real value to the TP with innovation pushing the scene.
After living with a slide out keyboard I find it much more reliable than a touch screen. So I'll be going with the Moment (unless another awesome device is released!)
I too am in the same boat as the others. With the announcement of the moment I am now puzzled at what route to go. I really would like SenseUI and have it natively built for my device like on the hero but im certainly a keyboard junkie. I will have to get both in my hand for a bit to be able to decide. If the build quality of the moment feels anything like the pre ill be off to the hero in a heartbeat.
Buy the Hero now, it'll be that much quicker till your contract expires and you can buy the Dragon in a year (18 months if not a premier customer)...
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It's good to see I'm not the only perturbed by this. Until yesterday, I was ready to wait until December for something bigger and better to come along. To prepare, I decided to figure out how much something like the TP2 would cost me. Even with full upgrade credit, I'd have to dish out $350 to get it.
The problem for me is that I'm waiting for something even higher-end (Android, i.e. 1Ghz + VGA+ resolution) than the TP2, so now I'm considering lowering my expectations and going for either the Hero or the Moment.
My problem with both phones is that the resolution (320x480). Why couldn't they have at least VGA like the TP!?
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The res may be smaller than the Touch Pro, ( which I just switched from ) but the screen is bigger, and it really looks just fine. I have an easier time reading the web with the Hero than I did with my TP. I wasn't really sure I could deal with a non-hardware keyboard, but am finding myself doing just fine with it. That said, November 1st and the Moment are less than 30 days away, and I don't think we've seen all the specs on the Moment, I'm looking forward to some of the Phone review websites getting their hands on one to see what they think. I imagine that someone somewhere will find a way to pull Sense out of the Hero, so it can be installed on other Android phones.
Doesn't the Samsung only have 256mb of RAM to the Hero's 288? That could be a dealbreaker.
As of now, has anybody been able to compare The Evo to Leo running android?
I personally have been using darkstones V5 and its incredibly fast and responsive, the only thing lacking for me is the gps, 5mpx (possible 720p recording) and more battery time. If those would be fixed it would be perfect.
Now, back to the original question, I haven't used the Evo hands on. What do you guys think? does Leo match up with all its hardware running android? or will Evo remain the top android phone right now?
Food for thought: After everything is worked out on Leo, could it be the best Android phone around?
What do you guys think?
EVO is 4G, CMDA locked down device. Hardware is similar but it was build to run nativly the Android OS.
Leo is unlocked and can run win + android (with it's current limitations). If devs can (and I think the will) make a nand flashable ROM with all the things in working order, LEO is clearly the winner
I have used the EVO, but only in store, and with all those random apps that have been downloaded, but i can always ask my friend to compare our phones (he ownes the EVO) but this Desire ROM is great although its been charging all night, its only about ~98% and still charging, but its not complete as of yet, but once its done it will be a competitor to actual Android phones.
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evo= 4g + 8mp camera (720p & livestream), second camera, hdmi out etc.
evo is the winner for me leo is kinda the small brother of the evo
I own the HD2 and running the fastest version of Android (see sig) for me.
My wife has an EVO. My daughter also has an EVO. I've played with both extensively.
EVO's 4G is still difficult to connect to or find 4G area. Others have posted main specs so I won't go into that.
If you like Android, the EVO is superior in every way except battery life and construction.
The HD2 gets about 3-4 more useable hours than the EVO, and this is with 4G off.
The battery cover on the EVO covers almost the entire back plate. It's plastic and cheap.
Android rarely ever hesitates on the EVO. Android is at least twice as fast on the EVO.
Android on HD2 - certainly useable with a few missing features
Android on EVO - lightening fast and amazing
One thing people seem to miss is that the EVO, or Sprint's '4G' network for that matter, is not true 4G. It's actually WiMAX simply branded as 4G, but yes it is faster than the LEOs 3G.
I have been using the XTarantula's eclair build and it has worked rather well so far =D
The evo prints money.
I grants you three wishes even if one of those wishes is for an Iphone 4.
I has an app that builds you an island then transforms into a jet and fly's you there.
Its Mf indestructable.
it has the wifi's but very few gb's.
but seriously... Hd2 vs the evo 4g. Are you kidding me. One is native android one is not. And the hd2 is the original the evo is the mistakes they fixed.
Would I rather have the evo not really Im not missing nothing. I mean video chat would just make sexting worse. other than that the more mp's doesnt mean crap for picture quality.
Personally aside from the poor battery life problems which is because of androids lack of a ability to manage the hardware this thing runs pretty well.
I am perfectly happy with my hd2... and heard they are going for 99 now? If so I should have waited.
I got to say EVO has a better technology but sprint kills it, firstly because is a CMDA phone, second because of the outrageous price for the internet, oh and there is NO 4g coverage in many areas and last BECAUSE in a couple of month ANOTHER much more better device will come out.
SO OVERALL HTC H2 (LEO) IS FAR BETTER THAN EVO
using the latest zimage(released today ) , the hd2 3d benchmark scored higher than the evo and similar to the desire , so we are nearly close to perfection , and the speed has increased allot with the latest zimage
iam using stock 1.66 rom without even hspl nor new radio and with 2gb class 2 card , and desie v5 rom and it is really fast
A lot of people seems to be comparing the two phones by "Speed" "Responsivnes" and "Performance".
Now my friend got an Evo 4G, and I an HD2, and I must admit, I'm afraid that the EVO is better on those terms. Yes, it is a bit bigger and bulkier, but Android does run better on it whatever people says. When browsing the home screens on Android on both mine and his phone, it is clear that the Evo 4G is faster. The benchmarks may say something else, but when it comes to what really matters, which is the user interface, and how it works, I must declare the Evo the winner. Its jut a lot faster, this might be hard to understand, but trust me, when sitting with both devies in your hands, there's no doubt.
Also, when it comes to hardware, the screen itself, feels a bit more responsive on the Evo, but nearly as fast as the Iphone, or Xperia X10 mini.
But which phone is the winner? For me its the HD2. Not because of the way that it runs Android, or because that's its a bit smaller. But because of the community that it has created. Never before have I seen so many people dedicated to develope, test, and take part in all kinds of porting and hacking. It is beatifull to see Android work so good on the phone even tho its miles away from being perfect.
It is stunning to see the hundreds if not thousands of ROM's developed for this one and only phone, where people has been so great at providing feedback, to the skilled developers that this community boosts.
And that's why that this phone wins. Because of you! You guys are all the best
Stoferr said:
A lot of people seems to be comparing the two phones by "Speed" "Responsivnes" and "Performance".
Now my friend got an Evo 4G, and I an HD2, and I must admit, I'm afraid that the EVO is better on those terms. Yes, it is a bit bigger and bulkier, but Android does run better on it whatever people says. When browsing the home screens on Android on both mine and his phone, it is clear that the Evo 4G is faster. The benchmarks may say something else, but when it comes to what really matters, which is the user interface, and how it works, I must declare the Evo the winner. Its jut a lot faster, this might be hard to understand, but trust me, when sitting with both devies in your hands, there's no doubt.
Also, when it comes to hardware, the screen itself, feels a bit more responsive on the Evo, but nearly as fast as the Iphone, or Xperia X10 mini.
But which phone is the winner? For me its the HD2. Not because of the way that it runs Android, or because that's its a bit smaller. But because of the community that it has created. Never before have I seen so many people dedicated to develope, test, and take part in all kinds of porting and hacking. It is beatifull to see Android work so good on the phone even tho its miles away from being perfect.
It is stunning to see the hundreds if not thousands of ROM's developed for this one and only phone, where people has been so great at providing feedback, to the skilled developers that this community boosts.
And that's why that this phone wins. Because of you! You guys are all the best
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Wao! beautiful post!!
Thank you
Well, I don't consider the Evo to be the top native Android phone. I give that award to a member of the Galaxy S line. Better GPU + (IMO) better screen. But I digress...
While Android on the HD2 has improved by leaps and bounds over the last few weeks, it has a ways to go before it matches the Evo. Android is much smoother & faster on the Evo, not to mention the kinks that still need to be worked out on the HD2, and the better camera options on the Evo.
Stoferr said:
But which phone is the winner? For me its the HD2. Not because of the way that it runs Android, or because that's its a bit smaller. But because of the community that it has created. Never before have I seen so many people dedicated to develope, test, and take part in all kinds of porting and hacking. It is beatifull to see Android work so good on the phone even tho its miles away from being perfect.
It is stunning to see the hundreds if not thousands of ROM's developed for this one and only phone, where people has been so great at providing feedback, to the skilled developers that this community boosts.
And that's why that this phone wins. Because of you! You guys are all the best
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This is actually poetry, and I cannot agree more.
It's amazing to see all of these people working together to make this phone the best it can be, and I'm sure that as time progresses, Android on the HD2 will improve extensively, and I look forward to using it for day-to-day use.
I was also able to use a friends evo. For a few hours and ran various tests between evo and HD2 with desire v4. Their UI is definitely 25-50% smoother. Data speed was the same but the thing I noticed the most was UI smoothness and battery life. We went to Disney fully charged. And left at the same time, he still had power while I had all background services shut off and I've lost power. Total off charger time was 6 1/2 hrs
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But which phone is the winner? For me its the HD2. Not because of the way that it runs Android, or because that's its a bit smaller. But because of the community that it has created. Never before have I seen so many people dedicated to develope, test, and take part in all kinds of porting and hacking. It is beatifull to see Android work so good on the phone even tho its miles away from being perfect.
It is stunning to see the hundreds if not thousands of ROM's developed for this one and only phone, where people has been so great at providing feedback, to the skilled developers that this community boosts.
And that's why that this phone wins. Because of you! You guys are all the best
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Raary101 said:
This is actually poetry, and I cannot agree more.
It's amazing to see all of these people working together to make this phone the best it can be, and I'm sure that as time progresses, Android on the HD2 will improve extensively, and I look forward to using it for day-to-day use.
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awesome statement there. i personally have been part of a group much like this. it for a device called the casio be300. it was a pda that didn't get a windows os, and we all felt screwed... like the hd2 not getting win7phone. like this group, we all banded together and and flashed the nand to run all sorts of OSs. this whole experience for me is like a dream of the past. it is great!
i've never been so happy i made the right choice in getting this phone over some of the other t-mobile phones i was looking at. =)
What I don't understand is the large difference in 'smoothness' of the UI between HD2 and native android devices, such as Evo/Desire.
People will say, 'it's beta!' or 'it's running from sdcard instead of nand!', but: HW3D is already implemented (and finished as far as I know), and running from slow storage (sd card) cannot make any difference. When scrolling through the icons, GPU+CPU will be used, not storage.
So what can be causing this 'slow' UI on the HD2 vs Evo?
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What I don't understand is the large difference in 'smoothness' of the UI between HD2 and native android devices, such as Evo/Desire.
People will say, 'it's beta!' or 'it's running from sdcard instead of nand!', but: HW3D is already implemented (and finished as far as I know), and running from slow storage (sd card) cannot make any difference. When scrolling through the icons, GPU+CPU will be used, not storage.
So what can be causing this 'slow' UI on the HD2 vs Evo?
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Running from sd card can and will make things run slower.. Nand is always faster than flash memory. And a lot of the drivers had to be constructed so they arent as optimized as they would have been had htc designed the phone for android in the first place.
Another thing about the slow UI, is the slow screen. HD2's screen got a pretty bad response time compared to many other devices, which is really a shame.
To see this yourself, when on the homescreen in Winmo with sense, use the slider in the bottom of the screen. Slide it forwards and backwards and notice the delay.
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Another thing about the slow UI, is the slow screen. HD2's screen got a pretty bad response time compared to many other devices, which is really a shame.
To see this yourself, when on the homescreen in Winmo with sense, use the slider in the bottom of the screen. Slide it forwards and backwards and notice the delay.
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dont you think that could be solved by a registry edit.
Stoferr said:
Another thing about the slow UI, is the slow screen. HD2's screen got a pretty bad response time compared to many other devices, which is really a shame.
To see this yourself, when on the homescreen in Winmo with sense, use the slider in the bottom of the screen. Slide it forwards and backwards and notice the delay.
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OT Alert: You want fast scrolling between sense tabs in WinMo? Cleanex Ultra Awesome has the fastest speeds known to Sense and HD2
But I digress...
EVO looks like a beast of a device... best Android hardware out there is the Samsung Galaxy S, imho...
Love the "best of both worlds" we have with our HD2 though
Apologies for slightly off-topic...
I've been a WinMo follower for years, and never switched off to iPhone. I tried Nexus One when it just came out, but that lasted 3 days - mostly because of its (sense-less) UI. In the last two weeks I've been playing with Android on my HD2, and have to admit I've been converted! This is a great blend of the smooth and fluid UI of an OS that is built for mobile to begin with, and the flexibility of an open development platform, which resulted in many great apps.
In any case, I wasn't exactly happy with my T-Mobile service, which tends to be somewhat spotty for me in terms of 3G coverage (I'm in Seattle), so I decided to check out the other major networks and see if I would find another Android phone that would be appealing to me. I wanted a fast one from HTC - essentially, as close or better than HD2.
Sprint EVO would have been nice, but it's too thick. End of story. Doesn't pass the pocket test.
I thought that Verizon's Incredible would be just what I wanted with its smaller form factor and similar specs. And that was a bit of a disappointment to be honest. It actually felt too small!
A visit to AT&T store wasn't much better. Aria is underpowered, and Xperia looks nice, but Android 1.6 is a joke and makes it very sluggish, aside from the dated UI they've put on it.
Finally, a stop at T-Mobile, where the only decent one is the Galaxy. Similar specs, but no Sense. Felt somewhat slower, but perhaps the closest contender to HD2 with Android on top of WinMo.
So I have to say, there is no better hardware to run Froyo on the US market today. Or am I missing anything?
P.S. I don't think there's anything outside of the US either. Desire HD is promising to be amazing though.
Droid X, Droid 2? EVO?
although i'd pick htc over samsung, moto, etc., i'd say go check out the galaxy s line. those are the big time powerhouses right now. htc's got the incredible, evo, hd2, n1, etc. for not, so if none of those are floating your boat, wait a bit until the htc dual core monsters get released.
I agree with the dude above. As far as I know, the new Samsung is the highest spec'd t-mob android phone at the moment but I just don't want to mess around with Samsung. Desire was supposed to be an amazing phone but for some reason w/ similar hardware its benchmarks such. HTC is just spewing out phones so its hard to keep track. Unfortunately, the 1ghz processors on the Droids outperform the HD2, esp. in regards to 3d performance. So yeah, fingers crossed for dual core snapdragon (which has been around for a while actually in some form).
Its sort of odd that you find the hd2 acceptable and not the evo. I played with my friends evo and its the most responsive android phone i've seen. I played with an original Droid and hated it for a lot of reasons besides performance. I don't know how reliable this is, but the benchmarks I ran on mattc's 1.5 beat out every phone besides droid (fairly sure the first droid, EVO was not included in list). Darkstone's page has his build beating out every phone except for Nexus with 2.2. Although its looking like the hd2 is a serious contender, its def not at the top. If I had the choice, I would prob get a native android phone.
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I agree with the dude above. As far as I know, the new Samsung is the highest spec'd t-mob android phone at the moment but I just don't want to mess around with Samsung. Desire was supposed to be an amazing phone but for some reason w/ similar hardware its benchmarks such. HTC is just spewing out phones so its hard to keep track. Unfortunately, the 1ghz processors on the Droids outperform the HD2, esp. in regards to 3d performance. So yeah, fingers crossed for dual core snapdragon (which has been around for a while actually in some form).
Its sort of odd that you find the hd2 acceptable and not the evo. I played with my friends evo and its the most responsive android phone i've seen. I played with an original Droid and hated it for a lot of reasons besides performance. I don't know how reliable this is, but the benchmarks I ran on mattc's 1.5 beat out every phone besides droid (fairly sure the first droid, EVO was not included in list). Darkstone's page has his build beating out every phone except for Nexus with 2.2. Although its looking like the hd2 is a serious contender, its def not at the top. If I had the choice, I would prob get a native android phone.
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the processors dont out perform the snapdragon the gpus do
Eco is indeed nice except for a couple of things: it's thick and it has WiMax, which is sunsetting in favor of LTE.
Samsung uses Hummingbird and not Snapdragon - I assume those are similar in performance?
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Droid X, Droid 2? EVO?
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X is way too big, Droid 2 isn't much different from the original Droid - both lack the polish of HTC Sense and additional software. EVO is perfect, but too thick.
What is with the constant need to make these threads comparing the HD2 and other Android devices? In fact, why is there the need to compare any device with similar hardware specs? They all have obvious pros and cons.
The HD2 does have its benefits... for one there is no real 4.3" Android device on GSM, if you're outside the US you can't buy either the EVO or the Droid X so Android on the HD2 is your best best for a big screen Android (discounting the Dell Streak, way too big).
Even if you can purchase the EVO or the Droid X the HD2 still has something going for it. There are a few 4.3" phones on the market now but the HD2 is by far the sexiest and least ridiculous looking, even compared to its brother the EVO the HD2 is noticeably less bulky looking and more svelte.
But then again the EVO 4G and Droid X both have specs the HD2 doesn't, like a slightly higher resolution screen on the Droid X and 4G/HDMI out on the EVO 4G. They also both run Android natively which the HD2 doesn't. I have every confidence in the guys working on Android for the HD2 but I think being realistic the HD2 can come very close but not be perfect at running Android because it wasn't designed for it initially.
So yeah, I don't see the need to get all fanboy-ish and start shouting how awesome the HD2 is. It depends on the situation... I don't live in the US so I didn't have access to the other big screen Android devices, and I also wasn't sure I would love Android or just like it so I wanted the ability to revert back to WM if I wanted to. That coupled with the cheap price of the HD2 compared to other Snapdragon devices running Android natively made the HD2 the best choice for me.
But I'm not going to claim the HD2 is perfect at running Android or even the best of all the current phones... they all have pros and cons. If the HD2 had native Android with every last function working then I probably would say it was the perfect Android device. Some have slightly higher specs and some have fancy screen technologies the HD2 misses out on, but I really love the 4.3" screen and the HD2 seems like the nicest hardware package offering that size screen.
I'm thinking about getting into the world of Android and smartphones but I'm not sure which phone to get. The Samsung Captivate is good and I have used it before but the Bravo just came out and it seems good as well. I'm not sure which one would be a better choice. Can anyone help?
good news for ya! i have the captivate and my wife just got the bravo so if you have any q's id gladly answer as best i could.. do you plan on rooting/modding the captivate at all? if so the captivate forums are packed full of different ideas. I am having a blast fiddling with mine.
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good news for ya! i have the captivate and my wife just got the bravo so if you have any q's id gladly answer as best i could.. do you plan on rooting/modding the captivate at all? if so the captivate forums are packed full of different ideas. I am having a blast fiddling with mine.
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If I got either one, I would root it since I'm not a big fan of TouchWiz or MotoBlur and would get rid of it. Is the Bravo as smooth as the Captivate for performance, games, and overall usage? Can you list pros and cons of both?
I too am pondering getting the Bravo or going back to the Captivate, has the Captivates GPS issues been fixed?
If you plan on rooting either then i would base my decesion on aesthetics, screen size, feel in your hand, etc.
pro's
captivate: amoled screen is gorgeous!
1 gig humming bird processor is really quick when given the chance (froyo)
camera is much better on the captivate compared to the bravo. (this is really my wifes lone grip about the phone.
cons: gps issues. mine seems fine..fix within 30 secs and tracks to about 20 meters. but I have heard of some phones being not so good. this is a samsung/att issue and not a firmware problem.
That is really the only issue i have with the phone. in the stock rom (2.1) the bottom keys had a 1/2 second to 1 second delay from when i pressed to when the phone would actually respond.. this was extremely annoying for me..but all was fixed with the froyo leaks
IMO the captivate is a more advaced phone in terms of performance... screen, processor (1gig vs 800mhz), camera. (5mp vs 3mp)
however in terms of feel i prefer the bravo. seems a little heavier and a better build quality i also make less mistakes texting on the bravo..
As of right now theres not any dev's doing anything with the bravo. as you can easily see by this forum. ofcoarse this may change in the near future...
good luck with your decision... look at this way.. youre not getting an Iphone so youre already doing better than most
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If you plan on rooting either then i would base my decesion on aesthetics, screen size, feel in your hand, etc.
pro's
captivate: amoled screen is gorgeous!
1 gig humming bird processor is really quick when given the chance (froyo)
camera is much better on the captivate compared to the bravo. (this is really my wifes lone grip about the phone.
cons: gps issues. mine seems fine..fix within 30 secs and tracks to about 20 meters. but I have heard of some phones being not so good. this is a samsung/att issue and not a firmware problem.
That is really the only issue i have with the phone. in the stock rom (2.1) the bottom keys had a 1/2 second to 1 second delay from when i pressed to when the phone would actually respond.. this was extremely annoying for me..but all was fixed with the froyo leaks
IMO the captivate is a more advaced phone in terms of performance... screen, processor (1gig vs 800mhz), camera. (5mp vs 3mp)
however in terms of feel i prefer the bravo. seems a little heavier and a better build quality i also make less mistakes texting on the bravo..
As of right now theres not any dev's doing anything with the bravo. as you can easily see by this forum. ofcoarse this may change in the near future...
good luck with your decision... look at this way.. youre not getting an Iphone so youre already doing better than most
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I won't really use the GPS so that's not an issue for me. How's battery life on them? Also I heard the screen on the Bravo is actually pretty good for a TFT LCD. Do you think once Froyo comes to the Bravo it will perform just as good as the Captivate?
As a Galaxy S owner I would add that you would need to be clinically insane to choose a Bravo over the Captivate =P
It's just no comparison...Captivate has better specs, MUCH better screen, better camera/video, guaranteed upgrade to Froyo and most likely Gingerbread.
Motoblur sucks bigtime, and who knows, it could take a year before you get Froyo.
Is it worth upgrading right now? I can upgrade in October of 2011, but my dad said I can take his account to upgrade......
What are you using now? Yes the bravo screen is decent but it does not compare to the amoled...
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 rollin a ridiculously quick Axura beta 2
i'm using just a regular feature phone. the thing about the bravo that intrigues me is the better battery life, crystal talk, and fm radio
I have both phones.
The captivate is a better phone (spec wise) and the screen and size are awesome, but Samsung really goofed with their file system - reports of lag are true in many database intensive uses (email access) and really makes things annoying. Also, the Samsung email and Calendar customizations have nice pros, but also many cons.
The Bravo is a midrange phone but Moto did a nice job on email and calendar enhancements if you like Exchange integration.
I like the form factor and screen of the captivate, but the Bravo is a good solid phone. If you could get rid of MotoBlur it would be even better, but it is possible to ignore blur and enjoy the phone.
I used to think the Captivate was the hands down winner, but it has enough irritations that I like the Bravo for business use. For movies, the Captivate cant be beat.
dude, the Captivate is packed full of problems. the biggest downside is that it shuts off by itself. Unless you are a real tech wiz, I highly suggest you pick something else in the Galaxy S family. The vibrant is a good start.
get the MOTOROLA BRAVO!
Look at the Motorola Bravo benchmark scores!!
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It's tons higher than the Samsung Captivate's scores! I have no clue how but it is.
I have a bravo and I'm quite proud of it knowing how much better it is than all of the other phones And it runs so fast! It's almost as good as the Droid X..., but just think, when it gets 2.2, it will TOWER over other phones. And 2.2 will be released for the phone the 1st quarter of 2010. Motorola doesn't know how to advertise phones, this phone is MUCH more powerful than it seems!!!
GET IT!!
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Look at the Motorola Bravo benchmark scores!!
engadget(DOT)com/photos/motorola-mb520-kobe-benchmark-scores/#3285039
It's tons higher than the Samsung Captivate's scores! I have no clue how but it is.
I have a bravo and I'm quite proud of it knowing how much better it is than all of the other phones And it runs so fast! It's almost as good as the Droid X..., but just think, when it gets 2.2, it will TOWER over other phones. And 2.2 will be released for the phone the 1st quarter of 2010. Motorola doesn't know how to advertise phones, this phone is MUCH more powerful than it seems!!!
GET IT!!
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Just because the benchmark scores are higher doesn't make it a better phone. I use them as reference for seeing how good a phone is but I don't think too much of them.
I might go to the AT&T store and try the Bravo out for myself. But there's that rumored Motorola phone with the Tegra 2. Should I hold out for that?
Well yea, true.
The benchmark scores are a big deal though, I mean it shows you how powerful the phone is, but the Captivate does have a AMOLED screen and it takes HD video..., but I've always known Motorola to make pretty good quality phones.
And yes...that phone will be really awesome if they can find a way for a battery to power all of that stuff! It seems interesting to wait...and you know the more you wait the better things get, and I think it would be interesting if you waited, and if the phone didn't work out or if it was for a different carrier, then you could always go back to these phones, and by then they will be much cheaper!
If you don't wait then I think you should still get the bravo, it's a really nice phone!!
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Look at the Motorola Bravo benchmark scores!!
engadget(DOT)com/photos/motorola-mb520-kobe-benchmark-scores/#3285039
It's tons higher than the Samsung Captivate's scores! I have no clue how but it is.
I have a bravo and I'm quite proud of it knowing how much better it is than all of the other phones And it runs so fast! It's almost as good as the Droid X..., but just think, when it gets 2.2, it will TOWER over other phones. And 2.2 will be released for the phone the 1st quarter of 2010. Motorola doesn't know how to advertise phones, this phone is MUCH more powerful than it seems!!!
GET IT!!
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I suggest that you do some research in the captivate forum. 1036 quadrant score? If my Galaxy S would score that low I would be worried. I rarely get lower than 2200 quadrant score, personal record is 2504 by the way... only need a lag fix app and preferrably a custom kernel. the galaxy s series are bad ass phones if you enjoy fiddling a bit with them. cheers!
agreed, so much out there you can do with the captivate, i've had so much fun with this phone. not saying i didnt like the bravo, but i'd choose captivate as of right now
Id still consider the bravo...
Once th xda REALLY gets a hold pf this phone, the Bravo, it will be MUCH more powerful. This thing has the capabilities of clocking the processor to 1ghz. And those scores are with 2.1, 2.2 will double the performance and like I said, thats coming soon! I rooted mine and was able to somewhat over clock, got it up to like 1400...but I can't wait until 2.2. It will be an awesome phone. But yea, stock Bravo to stock Galaxy S...Bravo wins. So I'm guessing over powered Galaxy S to over powered Bravo, the Bravo will easily win.
I mentioned this in another thread here, but this is my first smartphone, coming from a Moto RAZR. Two weeks later, I'm not sure how I hung onto that dinosaur for so long. I like the Bravo and will keep it. It may feel like my RAZR in six months, but for now it's a huge leap.
Tis true, you would have to be a crazy to even put the bravo in the same class as the captivate.. Captivate by a longshot wins..
Are you trying to decide if you should get an HTC Sensation and upgrade your HD2? Looking at those super awesome midnight deals over at T-Mobile.com for FREE sensations, and find it somewhat irresistible?
HAVE NO FEAR!
I have an HD2, and I just added a second line so my girlfriend could get the FREE Sensation, and I just spent a little bit playing around with both of them side-by-side.
They've very similar, I didn't really notice that big of a difference in speed between the phones. The brightness and vividness of the Sensation is of course much better, but it doesn't really "BLOW AWAY' the HD2. Don't get me wrong, it's a really nice display, but the qHD didn't make me gasp or anything. (unlike the SUPER AMOLED+).
In quadrant, she got 1440, and I got 1348. In speedtest.net, she got about 3.1 MB/s down, and I got 2.7 MB/s down.
The weight, thickness, height, and width are all about the same, with the Sensation being slivers less in each category.
The back of the Sensation is rounded, letting it sit in your hand better, but I think it also makes it feel less "sturdy". Maybe that's just because I had a rubber case on mine.
I was insanely jealous of her for the last few days while knowing that her phone was coming and she'd have a better phone than me, but honestly, now that I'm playing around with it a little bit, I'm not too worried. Sure, it has better technical specifications, dual core, more RAM, dual camera, better screen...ect... but it's nothing crazy awesome.
If you're on the fence on whether or not you should upgrade to the HTC Sensation or not, don't get me wrong; it's an amazing phone, just not "necessary".
Anyways, save a bit of your money, and instead just buy an extended battery for your HD2, or save up for the Galaxy S2 or Samsung Hercules, or whatever else is coming after that. I know I will be. Plus, with the incredible support by the community here for hacking new ROMs onto it, I'd stick with the HD2 for the time being.
Just my 2 cents. Hopefully you find this thread helpful.
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Are you trying to decide if you should get an HTC Sensation and upgrade your HD2? Looking at those super awesome midnight deals over at T-Mobile.com for FREE sensations, and find it somewhat irresistible?
HAVE NO FEAR!
I have an HD2, and I just added a second line so my girlfriend could get the FREE Sensation, and I just spent a little bit playing around with both of them side-by-side.
They've very similar, I didn't really notice that big of a difference in speed between the phones. The brightness and vividness of the Sensation is of course much better, but it doesn't really "BLOW AWAY' the HD2. Don't get me wrong, it's a really nice display, but the qHD didn't make me gasp or anything. (unlike the SUPER AMOLED+).
In quadrant, she got 1440, and I got 1348. In speedtest.net, she got about 3.1 MB/s down, and I got 2.7 MB/s down.
The weight, thickness, height, and width are all about the same, with the Sensation being slivers less in each category.
The back of the Sensation is rounded, letting it sit in your hand better, but I think it also makes it feel less "sturdy". Maybe that's just because I had a rubber case on mine.
I was insanely jealous of her for the last few days while knowing that her phone was coming and she'd have a better phone than me, but honestly, now that I'm playing around with it a little bit, I'm not too worried. Sure, it has better technical specifications, dual core, more RAM, dual camera, better screen...ect... but it's nothing crazy awesome.
If you're on the fence on whether or not you should upgrade to the HTC Sensation or not, don't get me wrong; it's an amazing phone, just not "necessary".
Anyways, save a bit of your money, and instead just buy an extended battery for your HD2, or save up for the Galaxy S2 or Samsung Hercules, or whatever else is coming after that. I know I will be. Plus, with the incredible support by the community here for hacking new ROMs onto it, I'd stick with the HD2 for the time being.
Just my 2 cents. Hopefully you find this thread helpful.
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I know exactly what you mean, yesterday i was with a friend that bought the S2, I was so jealous ), but only until we putted our phones side by side, there wasn´t a difference between speeds, the screen is much bright of course, but it feels somewhat artificial to me, the camera has very nice colors, more vivid than the HD2 runing Android, better but not huge difference, and what blowed me away was that my HD2 was faster to open some apps, I know that the his S2 is bone stock but that reminded me that the time to upgrade to something new hasn´t come yet, and when i started to boot 4 different roms my friend couldn´t believe it..
The HD2 is still a great phone..
FriedSushi87 said:
Are you trying to decide if you should get an HTC Sensation and upgrade your HD2? Looking at those super awesome midnight deals over at T-Mobile.com for FREE sensations, and find it somewhat irresistible?
HAVE NO FEAR!
I have an HD2, and I just added a second line so my girlfriend could get the FREE Sensation, and I just spent a little bit playing around with both of them side-by-side.
They've very similar, I didn't really notice that big of a difference in speed between the phones. The brightness and vividness of the Sensation is of course much better, but it doesn't really "BLOW AWAY' the HD2. Don't get me wrong, it's a really nice display, but the qHD didn't make me gasp or anything. (unlike the SUPER AMOLED+).
In quadrant, she got 1440, and I got 1348. In speedtest.net, she got about 3.1 MB/s down, and I got 2.7 MB/s down.
The weight, thickness, height, and width are all about the same, with the Sensation being slivers less in each category.
The back of the Sensation is rounded, letting it sit in your hand better, but I think it also makes it feel less "sturdy". Maybe that's just because I had a rubber case on mine.
I was insanely jealous of her for the last few days while knowing that her phone was coming and she'd have a better phone than me, but honestly, now that I'm playing around with it a little bit, I'm not too worried. Sure, it has better technical specifications, dual core, more RAM, dual camera, better screen...ect... but it's nothing crazy awesome.
If you're on the fence on whether or not you should upgrade to the HTC Sensation or not, don't get me wrong; it's an amazing phone, just not "necessary".
Anyways, save a bit of your money, and instead just buy an extended battery for your HD2, or save up for the Galaxy S2 or Samsung Hercules, or whatever else is coming after that. I know I will be. Plus, with the incredible support by the community here for hacking new ROMs onto it, I'd stick with the HD2 for the time being.
Just my 2 cents. Hopefully you find this thread helpful.
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So how's web browsing, pinch to zoom, scrolling when the page is loading (on default browser) & ofc, flash video/website loading times?
awesome post. Exactly the info I needed. Yeah, waiting is the best bet (if you can wait)
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So how's web browsing, pinch to zoom, scrolling when the page is loading (on default browser) & ofc, flash video/website loading times?
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All of those are about the same on Sensation stock as they are on HD2 CM7...
This makes me feel so much better, but at the same time feeling disappointed that there hasn't really been a major improvement in easily recognisable performance
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This makes me feel so much better, but at the same time feeling disappointed that there hasn't really been a major improvement in easily recognisable performance
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Well, we are comparing custom ROMs with bloated stock ROMs so it's not really fair.
If you loaded up a fully working CM7 ROM on a sensation it would obliterate the HD2, but that is far off, so for now the HD2 for me is the preferred phone. I may even wait for some quad core action before I upgrade.
with hd2 in some ROMs you can get 3000 points in quadrant with a bit of overclocking and of course playing around ppp/rmnet, switching roms, you can go up 3,3mbps in download, but we got an awesome development on this awesome phone, and we're still waiting for new Desire Kernel and GB to solve all current problems
i will not buy the htc sensation because i can buy 3 hd2 with that price, and i wouldn't feel the BIG difference, but in the future, sgs2 will be my phone (i never buyed a phone >180€, maybe i'll have to wait 2 years and i'll use rock solid custom ROMs )
Have to disagree, the Sensataion is far superior on every level, the camera/video is arguably the best out there, the colours are vivid (dense and rich), the speed is obviously faster, it boots in seconds. Opens apps very quickly (as quick as my g2x which has been modded with cy 7, netflix and web browsing, lightening on the 4g network... It feels very comfortable to hold, and you don't sense your holding a large phone, great design..Don't get me wrong, I love my Hd2 (I've owned about 4 or more) and the spare battery helps. But honestly, the Sensation is a truly exceptionaldevice... The camera and video is quite incredible....
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Have to disagree, the Sensataion is far superior on every level, the camera/video is arguably the best out there, the colours are vivid (dense and rich), the speed is obviously faster, it boots in seconds. Opens apps very quickly (as quick as my g2x which has been modded with cy 7, netflix and web browsing, lightening on the 4g network... It feels very comfortable to hold, and you don't sense your holding a large phone, great design..Don't get me wrong, I love my Hd2 (I've owned about 4 or more) and the spare battery helps. But honestly, the Sensation is a truly exceptionaldevice... The camera and video is quite incredible....
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I used a sensation for about 2 weeks, couldn't wait to get back on my HD2, the stock ROM on the sensation to me is pretty bad, the UI lagged, the camera was ok but 8mp isn't a must have for me. It didn't seem to open apps that much faster than my current CM7 ROM, 4G was slightly faster than HSDPA, I dunno, just didn't wow me.
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Have to disagree, the Sensataion is far superior on every level, the camera/video is arguably the best out there, the colours are vivid (dense and rich), the speed is obviously faster, it boots in seconds. Opens apps very quickly (as quick as my g2x which has been modded with cy 7, netflix and web browsing, lightening on the 4g network... It feels very comfortable to hold, and you don't sense your holding a large phone, great design..Don't get me wrong, I love my Hd2 (I've owned about 4 or more) and the spare battery helps. But honestly, the Sensation is a truly exceptionaldevice... The camera and video is quite incredible....
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Do you think it's worth the money, especially when there's the g2x for a much cheaper price?
I'd take a Sensation over the g2x because
1) there is going to be much much more development for it.
2) qHD
3) the g2x will probably never be able to run Sense.
evereste said:
Have to disagree, the Sensataion is far superior on every level, the camera/video is arguably the best out there, the colours are vivid (dense and rich), the speed is obviously faster, it boots in seconds. Opens apps very quickly (as quick as my g2x which has been modded with cy 7, netflix and web browsing, lightening on the 4g network... It feels very comfortable to hold, and you don't sense your holding a large phone, great design..Don't get me wrong, I love my Hd2 (I've owned about 4 or more) and the spare battery helps. But honestly, the Sensation is a truly exceptionaldevice... The camera and video is quite incredible....
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I agree with you, the Sensation IS superior on every level. But it's not so incredibly better to warrant purchasing a new $600 phone. (Unless you have tons of disposable income.)
I know that the Sensation bootloader just got unlocked (or at least is planning to become unlocked in the near future according to HTC). So that'll give it some hacking support, but still....
Yes, the camera is much better, but nothing to blow someone out of the water.
For comparison, I went from a HTC: G1 original Android phone, to a HD2, and patiently waited with the WinMo 6.5 until Android on SD was released. It's a WORLD of difference between a Android HD2 and an original G1.
I think I can justify waiting for a Samsung Hercules, or a Samsung Galaxy 3D.
FriedSushi87 said:
or a Samsung Galaxy 3D.
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whaaaa??
is that foreal?
orangekid said:
whaaaa??
is that foreal?
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Samsung's answer to the HTC Evo 3D and LG Optimus 3D is set to arrive in Q4, making it the perfect Christmas present.
The Samsung Galaxy 3D is said to be very similar to the Samsung Galaxy S2, with a 1.2GHz dual-core processor and 4.3-inch touchscreen.
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http://www.knowyourmobile.com/blog/988411/samsung_galaxy_3d_set_to_land_by_christmas.html
what a lot of us dont really get the point is to accept that yes..the HD2 is getting old and yes other HTC device's are getting better hardware and software in comparison with the HD2.
However we still claim HD2 to be the best device..just because we have the power to run multiple OS's. No doubt thats a strong point but we will have to let it go someday.
I am thinking myself to go for the HTC Sensation....but doesnt mean i will not use my HD2...
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what a lot of us dont really get the point is to accept that yes..the HD2 is getting old and yes other HTC device's are getting better hardware and software in comparison with the HD2.
However we still claim HD2 to be the best device..just because we have the power to run multiple OS's. No doubt thats a strong point but we will have to let it go someday.
I am thinking myself to go for the HTC Sensation....but doesnt mean i will not use my HD2...
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No, the reason is that we can run multiple ROMs of the same OS optimized to run about as well/better than the stock sensation ROM, the only thing the sensation has over the HD2 IMO is the camera and 1080p playback, other than that I would much rather have CM7 on my HD2.
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what a lot of us dont really get the point is to accept that yes..the HD2 is getting old and yes other HTC device's are getting better hardware and software in comparison with the HD2.
However we still claim HD2 to be the best device..just because we have the power to run multiple OS's. No doubt thats a strong point but we will have to let it go someday.
I am thinking myself to go for the HTC Sensation....but doesnt mean i will not use my HD2...
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No, what I actually mean to say, is although hardware and software is getting better and better on other devices, it's worth it to wait and continue using a still very relevant HD2, updating the ROM's to current OS's, so you can hold off buying a new phone and instead save money to get an even BETTER piece of hardware 4-6 months down the road.
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No, the reason is that we can run multiple ROMs of the same OS optimized to run about as well/better than the stock sensation ROM, the only thing the sensation has over the HD2 IMO is the camera and 1080p playback, other than that I would much rather have CM7 on my HD2.
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true that. but look after a point we too know that a native android device will still have an advantage over our Hd2 roms. You know...i have been running the American android SD version for months now..but when it comes to NAND somehow I cant make my mind...i still love WM6.5 and the battery life is great....something which i am a little skeptical on nand android !
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No, what I actually mean to say, is although hardware and software is getting better and better on other devices, it's worth it to wait and continue using a still very relevant HD2, updating the ROM's to current OS's, so you can hold off buying a new phone and instead save money to get an even BETTER piece of hardware 4-6 months down the road.
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yeah...of course i agree....we can continue to use it i believe atleast for the next 1-2 year..unless somesort of amazing phone technology comes up making my HD2 obsolete.
my friend has a Thunderbolt and now he wants a Sensation...!! lol...
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true that. but look after a point we too know that a native android device will still have an advantage over our Hd2 roms. You know...i have been running the American android SD version for months now..but when it comes to NAND somehow I cant make my mind...i still love WM6.5 and the battery life is great....something which i am a little skeptical on nand android !
yeah...of course i agree....we can continue to use it i believe atleast for the next 1-2 year..unless somesort of amazing phone technology comes up making my HD2 obsolete.
my friend has a Thunderbolt and now he wants a Sensation...!! lol...
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Getting rid of a Thunderbolt for a Sensation is ridiculous.