hey been using nsfans 6.5 rom for a long time now, wouldn't mind trying a new rom.
looking for quick and stable, which rom is better nuvogues 7.0 or baroggi44's new build...anyone tried both yet?
Fair question!
I always encourage people to try both! Barogi44 was pretty much inspiration to try my hand at my own!
And to be totally honest, NuVogue 7.0 is a little bit of a dive in a different direction from the previous 6. It has some features, such as a unique UI, that might not even continue in 8.0 and beyond (I wanted to tinker with it, but it can sometimes slow down the system a little more than I like).
Two things about my build: first and foremost: I put stability above all else when I cook my ROMs - if a program will make it unstable, I won't include it - you can install it yourself, later if you really want it - but if I think it will compromise stability, I'm leaving it out. Second: I always hear that mine boots extremely quickly - but I don't think "boot time" should be a determining factor in which ROM you use! It's always about what you're looking for in your build - which programs are pre installed, how stable the ROM is, etc...
If you have the bandwidth and a little bit of time, I say: give'em both a try! Barogi44 certainly has more users than I do (based on thread length and feedback alone!), so to be honest - that may just be a tell tale sign in itself!
NuAngel
I'm currently using your latest rom now NuAngel. It is fast and stable, which important to me.
I flashed to barogi44's latest build durng my post, it boots slower than yours...his home screen is like the htc-default except abit flashier. but i like your drop/up down list layout as well.
where' gps in your rom?
also if v7 wasn't so large, there's a lot of things i wouldn't put in there...maybe i can try cooking my own rom, what apps do i need to try...anyways NuAngel, the rom is work great so far, i like the photo 'scratch' effect for pictures, kind of neat....sometimes its just little things that make me like a rom more than another, good job!
Thanks for the comments. Yeah, NuVogue has gotten VERY big lately, but that's the addition of the care-pack: if you look under File Manger and the root of the phone, you can see there is a folder called "NuVogue Care Pack" - that folder is just a bunch of Installers that you can use to install many popular programs (including a better version of the EZ Input Keyboard, Swype, if you want it, Google Maps, and more!) - without the need to take the time downloading all of the giant CABs. If you don't want any of those programs, just delete the NuVogue Care Pack folder - it will warn you that these are system files, but you can just go ahead and delete them, it won't cause any problems.
As far as where's the GPS? That I don't know - not sure what "GPS" app you're looking for. GPS works perfectly in other programs such as Sprint Navigator, Google Maps, Trapster, etc... but if you're looking for a particular program, I'm unsure what you're used to using.
Also - if you'd like to switch the interface to the Manila style with the large clock, you can simply click START > SETTINGS > HOME SCREEN > slide right to ITEMS > and check the box that says TouchFLO. I like Titanium, though - I find it much faster.
Any further questions, just put them in the official NuVogue thread.
NuAngel
baroggi44's ROM is a newer build of WM6.5 where as nuvogue7.0 is an older version. Don't let the numbers mess with. Just becasue nuvogue7.0 is 28014 doesn't mean that its newer version of WM6.5. I can't find the tree that shows all of the different builds.
Here is how I see it after trying pretty much everything out there (including Android) on my Vogue:
For the best (IMO) newer 6.5 ROM that includes newer TouchFLO - I'd choose brack21's ROM over on PPCGeeks. It is a ROM that I never had to reboot, found it very stable and fast.
For the Titanium only ROM that fast lean and mean, I'd pick nuvogue 6.0. I did not install 7.0 but am now running 6.0 with few Titanium customizations: installed Home Screen Customizer from Marketplace, which gave me Contacts and App launcher in Titanium. I also installed Titanium Notifications add-in which gives me notifications in Titanium too. (The only problem with that is that notifications do not display correctly as there is some overlapping font issue if you had a missed call). Perhaps 7.0 is best for that...
i'm using nuvogues 7.0, so far so good...i'll try the one you suggested, thanks for the input.
Thread moved to General. Next time, please use either the Q&A thread or post under General if you have questions like these.
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baroggi44's ROM is a newer build of WM6.5 where as nuvogue7.0 is an older version. Don't let the numbers mess with. Just becasue nuvogue7.0 is 28014 doesn't mean that its newer version of WM6.5. I can't find the tree that shows all of the different builds.
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Very true, but in my experience and the experience of the people that use my ROM, newer doesn't always mean better. If you ask "the average user" to tell you the difference between ANY of the builds, they have no answers.
28014 mostly expanded on a few Internet Explorer features - but I also find it far better at memory management & stability. I reboot my phone once every 5 days or so. When I used 23569 or other 23xxx series builds I was 2 days at best, and I hear the same from several of my users and friends. Don't get me wrong, there are other builds in the 28xxx series that are just as horrible.
I'm not trying to put down Barogi44's ROM by any means, but I just think "newer" isn't necessarily "better."
NuAngel
NuAngel said:
Very true, but in my experience and the experience of the people that use my ROM, newer doesn't always mean better. If you ask "the average user" to tell you the difference between ANY of the builds, they have no answers.
28014 mostly expanded on a few Internet Explorer features - but I also find it far better at memory management & stability. I reboot my phone once every 5 days or so. When I used 23569 or other 23xxx series builds I was 2 days at best, and I hear the same from several of my users and friends. Don't get me wrong, there are other builds in the 28xxx series that are just as horrible.
I'm not trying to put down Barogi44's ROM by any means, but I just think "newer" isn't necessarily "better."
NuAngel
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You are right newer doesn't necessarily mean better especially when it comes to MS. I just thought that I would point out 28014 is an older build. I really haven't really noticed much difference between the different builds. Somewhere the start icon was moved to the bottom. However,I am currently not running either.
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I am not a developer; just an end-user. But I've read tons of threads, wiki entries for Herald, etc -- and I can't figure out the sequencing of what to install on my T-Mobile WING.
Everything I've read says that these OEM versions of windows come loaded down with crap that wastes device storage, and hampers performance. But I have been scratching my head trying to figure this out:
I for sure am using ifonz theme -- I have been using it for past week installed onto the T-Mobile default default, and the navigation system is so great, I love it. But I get lots of Memory error messages and freezes if I run ifonz, MortPlayer, and a browser such as NetFront or OperaMini... Just not enough memory avail to handle it all.
From reading, I have seen that various ROMs cooked here have performance boosts (whether it involves overclocking or whatever). So my question is: which ROM is best for this purpose for me -- to be the underlying windows OS running that enables me to run ifonz and several other apps without this problem?
What confuses me is that ROMs seem to be OS tweeks PLUS UI display functionality -- such as emulating the HTC Touch etc. I just can't decode all of this to understand what elements are best for my needs, and which components MUST be on device vs storage card, and which would be optimal to install on storage card so as to leave headroom on device?
I also have installed PCM Keyboard (but I can't get it to stick as the default keyboard; the windows one always comes back), MortPlayer, Comm Manager (love this!). I am so impressed by the current ifonz theme. I read the whole thread from its first release and practically every suggestion has been implemented -- that is so impressive. (I wont bog down this topic further.)
All suggestions appreciated. And thank you. I will be donating to each component's authors. Y'all are the best! I can't believe the productivity difference since modifyng my PoclketPC. Now I can actually use the many aps and utilities!
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I am not a developer; just an end-user. But I've read tons of threads, wiki entries for Herald, etc -- and I can't figure out the sequencing of what to install on my T-Mobile WING.
Everything I've read says that these OEM versions of windows come loaded down with crap that wastes device storage, and hampers performance. But I have been scratching my head trying to figure this out:
I for sure am using ifonz theme -- I have been using it for past week installed onto the T-Mobile default default, and the navigation system is so great, I love it. But I get lots of Memory error messages and freezes if I run ifonz, MortPlayer, and a browser such as NetFront or OperaMini... Just not enough memory avail to handle it all.
From reading, I have seen that various ROMs cooked here have performance boosts (whether it involves overclocking or whatever). So my question is: which ROM is best for this purpose for me -- to be the underlying windows OS running that enables me to run ifonz and several other apps without this problem?
What confuses me is that ROMs seem to be OS tweeks PLUS UI display functionality -- such as emulating the HTC Touch etc. I just can't decode all of this to understand what elements are best for my needs, and which components MUST be on device vs storage card, and which would be optimal to install on storage card so as to leave headroom on device?
I also have installed PCM Keyboard (but I can't get it to stick as the default keyboard; the windows one always comes back), MortPlayer, Comm Manager (love this!). I am so impressed by the current ifonz theme. I read the whole thread from its first release and practically every suggestion has been implemented -- that is so impressive. (I wont bog down this topic further.)
All suggestions appreciated. And thank you. I will be donating to each component's authors. Y'all are the best! I can't believe the productivity difference since modifyng my PoclketPC. Now I can actually use the many aps and utilities!
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It really depends on your likes and disliked. Try a few and see which one fits you best.
As far as the stock ROM goes:
ROM: Stock ROM vs Just2Clean
RAM: 11mb free vs 32mb free
Storage: 26mb free vs 65mb free
So yes, a custom ROM should solve the memory issues. ^_^
Okay, thanks. so would you want to put me into the ballpark of which ROMs are lean and most efficient for my needs?
If you're suggesting the DESCRIPTIONS of the various ROMS will make that obvious to me, well, okay... but I could use some recs...
Also: A followup for my grasping the concept:
When most people here are cooking up these custom ROMs, they are selecting various apps to stitch together into on overall release, right?
If so, I am trying to understand if there are appreciable differences between
(a) A stripped bare custom ROM.... and then my then adding and manually installing a la carte cab files for things like S2U2, Comm Manager, Mort Player, etc ...
and
(b) starting with a ROM that has those aps integrated into the one cab file?
That's too hard for a lay person to understand without an expert explaining, so I hope someone will do that.
If (b) actually enables efficiencies in performance, I would obviously want to use one of those ROMS.
If they are 6 of one and half dozen of another, and no code difference whatsoever as pertains to the way those individual apps perform within the package, then I guess it doesn't matter much at all.
Should I be posting to a different forum -- like maybe the Herald forum, to get specific recommendations on which ROMS would be god for me to start ourt with knowing that my end game is to run ifonz and similar iphone-like applications?
thanks!
quicksite said:
Okay, thanks. so would you want to put me into the ballpark of which ROMs are lean and most efficient for my needs?
If you're suggesting the DESCRIPTIONS of the various ROMS will make that obvious to me, well, okay... but I could use some recs...
Also: A followup for my grasping the concept:
When most people here are cooking up these custom ROMs, they are selecting various apps to stitch together into on overall release, right?
If so, I am trying to understand if there are appreciable differences between
(a) A stripped bare custom ROM.... and then my then adding and manually installing a la carte cab files for things like S2U2, Comm Manager, Mort Player, etc ...
and
(b) starting with a ROM that has those aps integrated into the one cab file?
That's too hard for a lay person to understand without an expert explaining, so I hope someone will do that.
If (b) actually enables efficiencies in performance, I would obviously want to use one of those ROMS.
If they are 6 of one and half dozen of another, and no code difference whatsoever as pertains to the way those individual apps perform within the package, then I guess it doesn't matter much at all.
Should I be posting to a different forum -- like maybe the Herald forum, to get specific recommendations on which ROMS would be god for me to start ourt with knowing that my end game is to run ifonz and similar iphone-like applications?
thanks!
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it all depends on what you want... if you want to use apps that you only like and dont like the ones that people have cooked, go with a lite rom or a clean rom.. if some of the apps and configs that the cooks have made work for you go with the ones that are fully loaded...
ivans roms are usally neked roms ( bare bones roms that run fast and efficent because he took out all the junk that you dont need, and that also slow the rom down )...
papa has a good rom out right now even though he has it customized you can still dissable some of the stuff on his rom and tweak it how u want...
for more info on the roms for the wing check out pureskillzzz thread on the roms of xda...
im going back to watching the basketball game...
check my sig for links to a slideshow of ttrans open touch 5.0ul and papas black rom...
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if you like ifonz ( which I did too when i first saw it - its a good app) read up on ultimate launch or throttle launcher which takes the ifonz concept to another level... ultimate launch is good because you can customize it to look like ifonz with the icons, but you have more power with your device... ifonz is a ipod type launcher and it also drains the phones memory.
thanks very much!... that's interesting re other launchers and performance. (i know i'm in over my head but is that because ifonz was written in .NET vs native code ? i thiught i read that somewhere).
QUESTION: is there a "Browse by Photo Gallery" forum or wiki section... that lets one see the look/UI of the theme, launcher, etc of the various roms, as a means for narrowing down choices?
thx
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thanks very much!... that's interesting re other launchers and performance. (i know i'm in over my head but is that because ifonz was written in .NET vs native code ? i thiught i read that somewhere).
QUESTION: is there a "Browse by Photo Gallery" forum or wiki section... that lets one see the look/UI of the theme, launcher, etc of the various roms, as a means for narrowing down choices?
thx
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nah but you can check out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=395793
and read thru the reviews...
I recomend ttrans or papamops roms... then itjes, and ivans roms... the first 2 cause those are the ones that i have tried....
what are you looking for in a rom... read the link that i gave you about the reviews of most of the roms on here
I didn't know there are these many ROMs out there now... WOW what a collection!
To OP: to make your pcm keyboard sticky, search for SIP change. This utility will automatically change to whatever SIP you choose after reboot so you don't have to manually select it.
everyone's gonna recommend something different. i personally prefer just2clean. it's exactly that. smooth, fast, and clean. honestly, of all the roms i've ever flashed, it's the only one that i've had absolutely zero issues with. i don't mind taking the time to install each program i really want. most of the other roms come with lots of extra programs that i have no use for, and can't delete, since there isn't an add/remove item for them... they're cooked in with the rom.
so really, it all just come down to your own preference. just check the herald rom development section. i think pureskillz (maybe?) did a write up on various roms and his pros and cons on each.
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everyone's gonna recommend something different. i personally prefer just2clean. it's exactly that. smooth, fast, and clean. honestly, of all the roms i've ever flashed, it's the only one that i've had absolutely zero issues with. i don't mind taking the time to install each program i really want. most of the other roms come with lots of extra programs that i have no use for, and can't delete, since there isn't an add/remove item for them... they're cooked in with the rom.
so really, it all just come down to your own preference. just check the herald rom development section. i think pureskillz (maybe?) did a write up on various roms and his pros and cons on each.
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yes that is true, but the point of trying different roms is seeing what programs and configs that you like the best, then after time ( how ever long the herald is around ) you will try a lite rom or clean rom and add the programs that you want to it... thats what im doing right now... there are a few that are great from the get go, but sometimes you dont need all that extra stuff...
that brings me back to the original question what do you want in the rom that you flash ??
thanks so much! This is exactly what I have been seeking... some kind of top-level context.
I love this community... and thank you for your personal recs as well.
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To OP: to make your pcm keyboard sticky, search for SIP change. This utility will automatically change to whatever SIP you choose after reboot so you don't have to manually select it.
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wow! thank you so much!
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most of the other roms come with lots of extra programs that i have no use for, and can't delete, since there isn't an add/remove item for them... they're cooked in with the rom.
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Another of my primary questions answered. Thanks so much! I was trying to learn the practical differences between apps cooks in, and installing cab files a la carte.
My own recap:
(1) YES, flash to a better ROM to free up memory, remove OEM junk
(2) There is no gallery of ROM photos of interfaces, but a great REVIEW thread of lots of ROMS
(3) Apps as part of the ROM makes them unremoveable.
(that recap's for other newbies like me!)
quicksite said:
Another of my primary questions answered. Thanks so much! I was trying to learn the practical differences between apps cooks in, and installing cab files a la carte.
My own recap:
(1) YES, flash to a better ROM to free up memory, remove OEM junk
(2) There is no gallery of ROM photos of interfaces, but a great REVIEW thread of lots of ROMS
(3) Apps as part of the ROM makes them unremoveable.
(that recap's for other newbies like me!)
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i have slide shows of 2 herald roms and 1 wizard rom in my sig...
right now im running pappamops rom and its very good, good to use right away, just a little tweaking, has alot of storage and its fast, plus you can dissable anything that you dont want to use right now( mainly Ultimate Launch ) you will need batterystatus ( you can disable the theme )... one of the best roms if you like to put your own stuff on the phone...
Hi guys. I am in the process of doing research into making my own ROM. I would like to know if you have any requests or ideas for me to base my ROM on. I want to know if there are some features, apps or configuration that you would like to see that other ROMs may not have.
Anyway let me know here and i will try to include the most popular options.
I got one...
I L-O-V-E the Khanx Touch Navia.
HOWEVER, the only thing missing, in my opinion, is a calender tab that I can see my upcoming appointments. In the original M2D you can only see 1 app ahead.
I would like to see a ROM without M2D, but with Throttle Launcher. Not everybody likes Manilla.
Since the time I got my orbit I'm missing very simple ROM and I requested it many people:
I need just serial ROM with all the unnecessary stuff removed, such as microsoft bug report, touch cube etc, with optimization tweaks and without side software at all. I'd say lite version of the serial 6.1 ROM =)
All of us got their must-have software so just let people choose what they need.
All the ROMs existing now are a kinda clones, its have very similar functionality... The mistake of the most of rom-makers is that they are trying to provide all possible features together with their ROMs. They insert there manilla, opera, config tools and many more, and I guess it takes them a lot of time to have all this things work together. Then after some time this "extra" tools getting updated and you have to develop updated ROM and catch new bugs...
Actually, the closest software to my wishes was Bepe's software, but it's not updating anymore...
I am going to look into two versions.
Naked build
lightweight and simple.
only the essential apps (to be decided)
basic config/customisation tools
Skeleton build
bare bones
no extra apps
basic config/customisation tools.
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Actually, the closest software to my wishes was Bepe's software, but it's not updating anymore...
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I had a quick look for this, but couldn't find what you mean. can you please send me a link.
t1m said:
Since the time I got my orbit I'm missing very simple ROM and I requested it many people:
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I agree....I tried all the new ROM's and finally went back to pre 6.1 more memory, faster speed, reliable phone and most important - Clean customised installs and screens.
I wish I could get something similar to Khanx Lite and Panosha's butterfly ! I have no interest in Manila, 3d or whatever - just a naked build and my own apps - whatever needed- installed have over 50MB to play with and nearly 2+ days battery life -what more could i ask for?
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...I wish I could get something similar to Khanx Lite and Panosha's butterfly ! ...
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i will check them out. sounds like a good place to start
Ideal ROM for me:
1. Fast and stable build (probably official HTC build is better than some leaked build)
2. Minimum software - no cube, no customer feebback, no opera, no manila, no windows live and live messenger etc.
3. Performance tweaks included
4. Video call support (I mention this since recently many chefs drop this functionality from their ROMs)
5. Maximum free RAM
How about a kind of tracker app?
I am planning to cook a ROM for me including this app:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394203
Also remove some apps to make the system faster.
In my case, I dont need the audio booster, audio manager, calculator and getting started.
Regards,
Luciano
HTC Cruise
Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
How's the cooking going Jabba1701?
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How about a kind of tracker app?
I am planning to cook a ROM for me including this app:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394203
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That won't help you at all Luciano. The program works by sending the location to another phone by sms. That phone number has to be cooked in the ROM, else it would be gone upon hard reset. So this kind of applications only works when you cook your own personal ROM.
Jabba1701
I agree with the "Skeleton build".
This is a numbers game - quite a few posts have wished for such a skeleton ROM, but many more seem to like all the doo-dads and frippery being cooked into the ROM's on offer. Since most chefs quite rightly wish for donations, they choose the doo-dad route.
The basic reasons I dislike the doo-dads is that I have no use for most of them (I use the device as a mini-computer as much as a phone), they consume flash memory and RAM and you cannot update them without flashing a new ROM.
M'Amine's kitchen and one of his new ROM's is the place to start, I suggest. He has not protected his ROM's so we can completely dis-assemble them, remove the doo-dads and re-cook.
I'm slowly wending my way through this process now. The basic difficulty is figuring out all of the folders, files and Registry references associated with those doo-dads I want to remove.
working on this ROM has been pushed back in the queue a fair bit. We are currently getting our house up for sale so we can move for our kids school next year and my wife's new job. There are a few things i'd like to look at to make testing the ROMs a bit easier and quicker (ie an emulator or similar) but i really haven't had the time to even google it.
Hi, I agree with all previous comments. In my case I like to build my own UI with WAD so I do not like m2d/manila/htc roms. They look all the same to me and I still end using additional software for photos, music and even contacts
I am very happy with the rom I am using: swtos light rom (see my signature).
The only problem is swtos is not anymore with a touch so I do not expect any updates to new builds. I would say I have a 0 bugs rom, with 160 mb for programs and circa 50 mb free ram. I do not plan to go back to wm 6.1 official or to try other roms if I do not have relevant new features over this one in terms of performance.
Since swtos is not cooking polaris anymore he may be willing to share the kitchen. You can see in the thread that people is happy with this rom and missing swtos new work.
I have a couple of suggestions:
- naked roms are so naked that are only good for very advanced users. light roms most of the times already include config tools, ui and basic programs. I think a really naked but pre-configured rom would be great.
- I would suggest to explore radio compatibility. It seems to be a nightmare quite often and many people do not want to flash the phone many times.
- I suggest to concentrate on performance, scrolling and Ram recovery and exploit current hardware as it is rather than bringing it to the limit (eg. 3d drivers)
Bepes rom I think is much older than swtos so even if it is well known for its stability, I would not use it as the starting point.
Good luck !
I'm attempting to build an ultra-clean ROM from one of the public releases recently.
I tried one from c_shekhar but it contained some very confusing (to me) entries on Language and SYS versions.
Trying one of M'Amine's next
ianl8888 said:
Jabba1701
I agree with the "Skeleton build".
This is a numbers game - quite a few posts have wished for such a skeleton ROM, but many more seem to like all the doo-dads and frippery being cooked into the ROM's on offer. Since most chefs quite rightly wish for donations, they choose the doo-dad route.
The basic reasons I dislike the doo-dads is that I have no use for most of them (I use the device as a mini-computer as much as a phone), they consume flash memory and RAM and you cannot update them without flashing a new ROM.
M'Amine's kitchen and one of his new ROM's is the place to start, I suggest. He has not protected his ROM's so we can completely dis-assemble them, remove the doo-dads and re-cook.
I'm slowly wending my way through this process now. The basic difficulty is figuring out all of the folders, files and Registry references associated with those doo-dads I want to remove.
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sorry mate, not sure how i missed your post when giving an update.
I am the same as you with how i use my phone, it is more like an organiser and computer that just happens to have a phone in it. I use mine for Geocaching, tomtom, email, twitter, photos, brain training games..... and i occasionally get a phone call or SMS or two.
Do-dads are great fun to try out, but the novelty wears out over time, and they just suck up resources and slow other apps down and hurt stability.
At the moment i am trying out the more popular lite ROMS to see what they do and how they perform so i can get a feel of to expect from mine.
Hi there.
I have owned the HD2 for about a month. I find it difficult to say for sure whether I like it or not - it diffently has a lot of both pros and cons. But since I am not looking to give a review of the device I just have a few pressing questions that I have not been able to find the answer to while doing alot of reading in these greats forums.
1. I have problems with both stability and lag. Could a possible ROM switch to say "energy (the newest version)" fix that?
2. Are the custom ROMS considered better than the stock ones - or is it mainly just because it is fun to be able to completely mess around with your phone?
3. If I choose to switch to energy's latest ROM is there some way for me to get my Danish T9 dictonary to work on the ROM - I have not been able to find the answer to that simple question while reading through those almost terrifyingly many pages contained in the thread for the energy ROM!!!! Found something about Chinese or Korean input... not helpful!
4. A side question: Is there a way to disable the function in HTC''s sms program that makes it able to input a different letter than the one pressed? Say you I have have pressed "e" but accidently released it on "r" making it type "r" instead of "e" - annoying the hell out of me.
Right now I am using my HD2 together with SPB Mobile Shell 3.5.4 - the change of interface alone has seemed to reduce lag - but of course the Mobile Shell is not as "connected" as HTC's Sense interface, and I miss my music player and twitter integration :/
Hope you are not going to get a stroke or brain bleed because I did not RTFM enough
Thank you for your time reading this
From my experience with cooked ROMs, it seems like some are just as stable if not more so than stock ROMs whereas others can have more problems... You'll just have to try a few and see which one you like.
Cooked ROMs are nearly always faster than stock and they usually have much more up to date versions of the various system components and programs.
The main reason I decided to flash a cooked ROM was to get the updated TMOUS camera drivers which fixes the overexposed effect that made the LED flash more or less useless. I'm using Dutty's V6 Hybrid at the moment and it uses a different bluetooth stack. I can't tell you why but it does make music sound better (when using a bluetooth headset obviously) and it's much faster than my old 1.44 stock ROM...
I hope those examples show why cooked ROMs can be so amazing. Just be careful not to flash a stock ROM with the latest SPL from your microSD card or you'll be stuck with it...
I prefer tweaking the default rom. This is not to say that the cooks don't do a good job i just prefer not to get too extreme with the custimization. I do tweak the registry and i have installed a different spl and updated the radio. It's also been overclocked and so far i'm very happy with it (at the end of week 2 of ownership). The tweaks and the overclock combined with the 3D gfx driver that you can get from here have solved the lag and speed issues with all programs except for the messaging application.
I've also installed several applications including SRS WoW HD, a WM 6.1 style task manager, WIFI remote access and phm regedit. I've also updated the facebook application and dropped a copy of office mobile 2010 on.
At the end of the day the choice is yours. My phone is as stable as a rock right now and never crashes although i must say it wasn't but i found, like most people, that the problems were caused by a particular program. In my case it was a slightly dodgey remote desktop client that it turns out i didn't need anyway. It's also feels as responsive as my very expensive desktop pc (specs below).
The issue you mention with text messaging could be solved by decreasing the sensitivity of the touch interface or (and this is what i do) rotate the phone to landscape mode and type like that. It makes the keyboard wider and a bit easier to use. You could also get a foldable bluetooth keyboard.
What route you take is entirely your choice so if you think a custom rom is the right route to take go for it. There are some many out there your not going to be short of choice so it may be worth exploring more than just energy's roms.
Thank you very much for your answers
Well, I predict that if choose to flash some custom ROM, that i will spending alot of time trying out the different ROMs of the different chefs, but then again, i do not feel completely satisfied with the way my device is running now.
I have actually recently flashed back with a stock ROM... Tried to install some different radios so that I would get better reception, but I was no different. Plus i didn't think flashing radios was as "dangerous" as flashing ROMs How can i check if my device has been "locked"?
I also think that I have narrowed down the problem with the lag (not the instability) to when the facebook integration of my contact is downloading new info (every 2 hours right?), lags horribly for about one minute throughout the whole menu, actually, every time it accesses the internet to either update tweeter, face or check for email, it lags!
I am hoping these things can be overcome by flashing a new ROM, if that is even possible for me now :S
If you have reinstalled a stock rom you will probably need to install an unlocked spl again. To do this you'll need to get a copy of hspl or hspl2 (look in the rom development board). flashing the radio is less danagerous to a certain extent but i advise you have look for customruu there is a version that is configured not to wipe the device after install. I would post a link but i'm out and about and all my resources are on my desktop.
The lag you experience with the facebook/twitter integration i haven't experienced as i don't use it but i do have an exchange server that is configured with direct push and i don't have any lag with that. It may be worth you looking into the 2 tweaks sticky threads and implementing some of them. I would also suggest that you have a look for the 3D gfx driver and netrippers LCS which will allow you to disable the processors autoscaling. You may find this illiminates the lag. It certainly did the trick for me.
Unless you use a ROM with the TMOUS camera drivers you might as well not have a flash for taking pictures in dark settings. I spent quite some time just playing around with my old stock ROM too but in the end I gave in because of this issue...
Flashing from the microSD is the safest way to flash anything just make sure that you're battery's fully charged (to be on the safe side) and it's not a stock ROM with an SPL included which would overwrite your HSPL.
Here is a question based on your last comment, Neo, and i'm only asking because i noticed an image was over powered by the flash at around a metre distance. is it possbile to install the tmous camera driver on a stock rom and if so where do i find it?
I found a thread with a link (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5866852&postcount=13) but it fails to install on my stock 1.66 rom and looking at the thread many other too. Although that thread reveals - consistant with neo's comment - that the driver is included in many cooked roms based on the tmous 2.10 (and above) rom
Okay guys. Thanks for the tips. I guess I will have to install HSPL again and this time try to flash Energy's ROM. Don't know if it has the new camera drivers, or if it has those nice bluetooth drivers (I have noticed the voice quality is not very good on my bluetooth headset).
3D GFX and that CPU program, check!
Guess I will also try that "Slide to Unlock", saw it in a youtube demo and it had many more features than i originally thought... nice!!!
So if I understand this right, flashing a stock ROM with the stock SPL does not remove the ability to install HSPL again? But it is just annoying having to install HSPL all over ?
Hey guys,
it's my first post here, but I'm still some days here in this board, consuming the contents for my HD2 with apreciation.
HD2 was and still is -hardwaresides- a milestone. When it comes up to the stock OS, there are some major things that I don't get. M*cr*s*fts OS is making this device a cripple, if you ask me. But that's another discussion and even more I was excited when I firstly saw a good friend these days holding me his Leo up the nose with Android embedded.
Now, I'd like to know some things before "flashing" my Leo - if you can say so, as the only thing to do seems to apply some kind of bootloader instaed of cleaning and rewriting the ROM. Which leads me to the
1. Will the installer overwrite the WM6.5 ROM or will it run in a dual-boot system?
2. Will a physical hardreset (volume-buttons) return to the stock-Rom?
3. Which of the local Froyo versions is the most stable with nearly all components working and - if possible - NO skin customizations except SENSE?
Thanks for your help and I hope that Android will bring my Leo to a whole new level.
Prepare yourself for a flaming of a lifetime.
Postaldude said:
Hey guys,
it's my first post here, but I'm still some days here in this board, consuming the contents for my HD2 with apreciation.
HD2 was and still is -hardwaresides- a milestone. When it comes up to the stock OS, there are some major things that I don't get. M*cr*s*fts OS is making this device a cripple, if you ask me. But that's another discussion and even more I was excited when I firstly saw a good friend these days holding me his Leo up the nose with Android embedded.
Now, I'd like to know some things before "flashing" my Leo - if you can say so, as the only thing to do seems to apply some kind of bootloader instaed of cleaning and rewriting the ROM. Which leads me to the
1. Will the installer overwrite the WM6.5 ROM or will it run in a dual-boot system?
2. Will a physical hardreset (volume-buttons) return to the stock-Rom?
3. Which of the local Froyo versions is the most stable with nearly all components working and - if possible - NO skin customizations except SENSE?
Thanks for your help and I hope that Android will bring my Leo to a whole new level.
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First of all, why are you afraid to spell out Microsoft?
Second, Winmo didn't cripple HD2 at all, you have fully function phone.
Now, if you put Android on this phone, this make HD2 a cripple phone.
To answer your questions
1. No, Android will not overwrite the wm 6.5 rom, it need wm to run and it runs from sd card.
2. see #1, it will not alter wm rom, wm will be wm after reboot, you dont need to hardset.
3. This is like... personal preference, you have to try to see which build is for you.
the core here is kernel, if you try this build and you have problem, and you see another the build with the same kernel, it likely not going to fix your problem.
justwonder said:
First of all, why are you afraid to spell out Microsoft?
Second, Winmo didn't cripple HD2 at all, you have fully function phone.
Now, if you put Android on this phone, this make HD2 a cripple phone.
To answer your questions
1. No, Android will not overwrite the wm 6.5 rom, it need wm to run and it runs from sd card.
2. see #1, it will not alter wm rom, wm will be wm after reboot, you dont need to hardset.
3. This is like... personal preference, you have to try to see which build is for you.
the core here is kernel, if you try this build and you have problem, and you see another the build with the same kernel, it likely not going to fix your problem.
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1. Why shouldn't I? There are enough examples, that anonymity is not given in every way these days on the web...
2. No, it did run well. But it
-isn't nearly as smooth as the iPhone-OS or Android
-HTC Sense seems to stuck several times with WM 6.5, which brings me to conclusion that HTC wasn't allowed to create a consequent GUI without corrupting MS license restrictions
-Browsers (Stock Opera, Opera 10, Opera Mini, Skyfire) are really slow
-I got a bunch of crashes even with updated stock ROMs and CF 3.5 installed
-the response between OS and touchscreen is still very laggy which results in the over-sensibility and the so-called ghost-effect, when the screenkeys begin jerking out/ the screen is working commands that had been given more than a minute along
-pinch-to-zoom only seems to be a gimmick clearly running in the SENSE environment and apps based upon it. The WM GUI isn't compatible to it in many ways
- and most important, it still is giving me white knuckles that MS at last decided to make WMP 7 NOT available, needless to say, AFTER several Leos were sold with prediction for WMP 7 being available sooner or later
Sure, you got a working OS for everydays use, but it is as unattractive and as imperformant as it could be the day it came on such a steroidic device like the HD2. MS has epicly failed in giving attention to the mobile phone market, that's for sure. It isn't done with borderless synchonization of Outlook e-mail and contacts - because todays smartphones are capabale of so much more. For something like this, you don't need a 1 GHz Snapdragon, together with 512 MB systemmemory. And after making such hard license restrictions for developers that are in charge to use WMP7, I think this won't ever change.
And sure, you're able to customize this OS as far as you want. But take the usual Jon Doe, excited by HD2-Ads and offended by an OS, that feels and looks like it is 10 years old under the SENSE-surface, with an app-catalogue that's growing slower and slower. And Jon Doe's not the man to deal with custom roms and tweaks.
Now take Android on the other hand. Based on the Linux-Kernel, which is known to give you every possible freedom, together with every possible brick to handle - which you're able to fix by yourself and what makes it attractive mostly for enthusiastics - it's a good blend of functionality ergonomics/ease-of-use. These two words together exclamated each other more or less in the past and this is one of the reasons, why Linux as a desktop-system hasn't become more popular over the years of development. Besides this, linux distributions are the fastest and most stable running OS I ever used on a PC. Now, Android is in charge and able to become as popular as MS is on desktop-systems, because it's working good. Most of the start-up problems that occured on early Droids are eliminated, this phone-OS becomes more and more performant. And it seems to be a lot more flexible than any other phone-OS
Finally, this discussion turned right the way i thought it would end. I'd like to thank you all for your information at first. If you'd like to make further dialogue affecting the goods and bads of WM, please contact me PM.
I have been an old user for WMo but newbie to Android except playing on my wife's vibrant a little bit. I'd like to try Android out on HD2 as WMo is officially dead. Here is some questions (which I searched and couldn't find definitive answers).
1. The Android builds listed in the Leo section, do they ALL work for tmobile HD2 or there actually is a difference between a Tmous HD2 build and a Leo build (like the difference between WM roms for each device)? I vaguely remember reading somewhere that these builds are the same but I really appreciate if someone could confirm that for me.
2. Can you guys recommend an Android build that (1) works with Tmo 3.14 stock rom (2) has sense UI (3) has no battery life issue (4) has the least number of bugs. I don't want to ask an open ended questions like what is the best android build. I actually do have these specific requirements in mind.
The reason I come with so many requirements is I have been using WMo since Tmo wing (2007) and TP2 (2009) and have gotten so used to it that I don't want to give it up. The new 3.14 stock rom only froze on me once when opera mobile cached too many files so it's half way my fault. Even though so many people hate WMo, to me it's just great as it simply works for me as I learned how to work around all the problems.
The requirement for sense is HTC simply perfected the user experience on WMo with the sense addition (also thanks to the capacitive screen that HD2 has). I would like to start with something that I'm familiar with.
Also seems a lot of discussion has been going on that the battery drain is no longer an issue with the current android builds. Is that true for all of them? Or some specific ones that has implemented some sort of fix?
I like to use Android as my daily OS so of course the requirement for least number of bugs.
3. OTA updates. Looks like native Android phone can update themselves when updates are released in the air. Would the HD2 android build be able to do the same? Or do I have to re-install a new build whenever updates come available (like flash a WMo rom)? I know when flashing a WMo rom I have to reinstall all software but when I install a new android build, can I somehow keep all the software I have without reinstall everything?
wearefree said:
I have been an old user for WMo but newbie to Android except playing on my wife's vibrant a little bit. I'd like to try Android out on HD2 as WMo is officially dead. Here is some questions (which I searched and couldn't find definitive answers).
1. The Android builds listed in the Leo section, do they ALL work for tmobile HD2 or there actually is a difference between a Tmous HD2 build and a Leo build (like the difference between WM roms for each device)? I vaguely remember reading somewhere that these builds are the same but I really appreciate if someone could confirm that for me.
2. Can you guys recommend an Android build that (1) works with Tmo 3.14 stock rom (2) has sense UI (3) has no battery life issue (4) has the least number of bugs. I don't want to ask an open ended questions like what is the best android build. I actually do have these specific requirements in mind.
The reason I come with so many requirements is I have been using WMo since Tmo wing (2007) and TP2 (2009) and have gotten so used to it that I don't want to give it up. The new 3.14 stock rom only froze on me once when opera mobile cached too many files so it's half way my fault. Even though so many people hate WMo, to me it's just great as it simply works for me as I learned how to work around all the problems.
The requirement for sense is HTC simply perfected the user experience on WMo with the sense addition (also thanks to the capacitive screen that HD2 has). I would like to start with something that I'm familiar with.
Also seems a lot of discussion has been going on that the battery drain is no longer an issue with the current android builds. Is that true for all of them? Or some specific ones that has implemented some sort of fix?
I like to use Android as my daily OS so of course the requirement for least number of bugs.
3. OTA updates. Looks like native Android phone can update themselves when updates are released in the air. Would the HD2 android build be able to do the same? Or do I have to re-install a new build whenever updates come available (like flash a WMo rom)? I know when flashing a WMo rom I have to reinstall all software but when I install a new android build, can I somehow keep all the software I have without reinstall everything?
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1. They are exactly the same. It is not discriminant between internation and US versions of the HD2. (unless otherwise posted)
2. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=747492
3. You shouldn't do the OTA updates, it'll probably have some unforeseen complications. Just find an updated build.
as far as i know your going to have to switch to a custom rom. the stock 3.14 has robot voice which means it needs the correct audio drivers to work with android. search around there is plenty of barebones roms around(rom that is pretty much the exact same thing as 3.14 only with the correct drivers).
i have tried dozens of android build and have found this one Mdeejay_eVo_Sense_v._2.3Revolution to be the best. it has the best battery life i have found. with stock winmo with avarage use i was running 30% give or take battery life at the end of the day. with this android build im sitting at usually over 50% with the same if not more use.
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as far as i know your going to have to switch to a custom rom. the stock 3.14 has robot voice which means it needs the correct audio drivers to work with android. search around there is plenty of barebones roms around(rom that is pretty much the exact same thing as 3.14 only with the correct drivers).
i have tried dozens of android build and have found this one Mdeejay_eVo_Sense_v._2.3Revolution to be the best. it has the best battery life i have found. with stock winmo with avarage use i was running 30% give or take battery life at the end of the day. with this android build im sitting at usually over 50% with the same if not more use.
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You only need a custom radio to run android properly, stock rom works fine. However there are roms optimized for android that you should look into. Most of them give the same sense experience with much moore fun features and an optimized android experience.
Thanks to all of you for your input. I will have to stick to stock WMo rom as this is my primary OS (at least for now).
I will start with Mdeejay_eVo_Sense_v._2.3Revolution to get a feeling how android works on a daily basis (playing for a few seconds every time doesn't really count), then decide whether I can use android as primary OS.
All my contacts, emails and calendars are synced with Google (so if Google decides to spy on me they know exactly what to do, haha) so the migration should be relatively smooth when I decide to switch.
New question: the android build worked fine for the first time but I can never go back in there. Now it just hands on the HTC screen indefinitely...
Any advice?
Finally figured out what went wrong. I re-formatted the stock SD card, copied the android folder in there first before I copied everything else back, and use the android loader. Now it's all good, except loading android can be a very long process... due to the stock slow sd card. But at least it works every time now.