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Who do you think will be the winner? Release date is approximately the same (x10 maybe 1 month later).
Advantages of X10:
Better design
Special Sony Ericsson UI (which is a bit laggy)
Better 8 mp camera with more functions
Bigger screen
Advantages of N1:
AMOLED display instead of TFT
It might be cheaper, than X10
GOOGLE (so there should be early official updates, because google is the author of Android)
Android 2.1 (not 1.6, like X10 has)
More RAM
There is a subforum for N1 on this web-site ^^ and X10 won't have that
From my point of view for
X10
- The Camera
- Design
N1
- 512 RAM
- Dock pins
- Probably updated more often and sooner.
The N1 is uglier but, I think I'm going with it anyways, shame since the X10 is awesome looking.
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im no so sure if that is an advantage
and i have lost my confedence in se a bit lately so i say nexus is better
double the ram is what pushed me towards the n1 instead of the x10
Screen size is debatable, it isn't that much of a difference. Especially since the Android UI scales according to the DPIs reported by the device, anyway.
N1 has more RAM, is directly supported by Google, as such should get regular OS updates (as opposed to how things are right now), especially since it might be likely an ADP3. Plus, a better developer community from the get-go.
X10 has better camera, lags behind Android releases. Whether the custom UI is worth a damn, remains to be seen. All the blue is annoying as hell, and I especially don't see the point in Timescape, will all these flashy cards in 3D space. Not sure who thought this is intuitive or efficient. Developer community TBD.
Yea, the X10 looks better, but function over form. The 8mp camera doesn't do it for me. Considering the small lens sizes and the rising amount of noise due to cramming more pixels onto a small surface, doesn't mean it's better off.
Waiting for the 5th of January when N1 will be officially announced
I prefer the looks of the N1 over the X10. I think the X10 is a bit too flashy and those chrome button at the bottom look tacky IMO. Also, the X10 doesnt have AWS for T-Mobile USA 3G. Also, 256mb of ram? What the hell were they thinking.
Be honest hate say it, but N1
It's a pity, that we in Russia don't care about these T-mobile contracts etc, but have to buy top cell phones for the price of $1000 (yes, more expensive than in the USA)... it's so awful
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It's a pity, that we in Russia don't care about these T-mobile contracts etc, but have to buy top cell phones for the price of $1000 (yes, more expensive than in the USA)... it's so awful
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Why not buy them on ebay from usa seller with worldwide shipping?
maybe because of guarantee... plus I don't really trust the internet shops
I say get the n1. better specs and you can always have a go with the sony ui on it later, enjoying more ram to run it.
From what I've seen & read, I like the looks & specs of the N1 over the X10. But, the real test will be to get them in your hands!
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It's a pity, that we in Russia don't care about these T-mobile contracts etc, but have to buy top cell phones for the price of $1000 (yes, more expensive than in the USA)... it's so awful
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I believe I can buy up to 5 per google account. I can buy and resell them
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I believe I can buy up to 5 per google account. I can buy and resell them
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but 5 with contract, isn't it?
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but 5 with contract, isn't it?
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Who knows? We'll all find out on Tuesday.
mm wonder if I should consider buying more than 1 and resell it for profit..
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mm wonder if I should consider buying more than 1 and resell it for profit..
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You probably can but you're placing a huge bet here because:
1. You will shell around $2650 for 5 phones plus import tax if you're outside the US
2. There is no guarantee that N1 will be sold out... If they let people to buy 5 of them, I think they are pretty confident that they have quite a lot in stock
3. If it's not a sold out product you have 4 N1 sitting there while Ebay probably got flooded with the product and you can't sell them for a good profit...
If you're sure that the product will be sold out for an extended period of time (like the Wii) then it is wise to stock up and sell them slowly as the price will stay up.
I myself is thinking about that as well and it will be a gametime decision during work (9am January 5th) whether to get all 5 of them or just 1
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I say get the n1. better specs and you can always have a go with the sony ui on it later, enjoying more ram to run it.
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Exactly what i was thinking! N1 all day over x10!
I used to be a huge fan on the x10. I've been waiting for a good Android phone for three years now...
Things the x10 fails at:
1) marketing/engineering. They missed the xmas season 09.
2) Custom UI. This will be a nightmare to maintain since google updates the code so often. Its not necessary and a waste of time. Expect sony to send out updates a month after google does.
3)price. Its estimated to be $700 or more.
Things the x10 is better at
1) better camera
2) better media support/player
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010...n=Feed:+TheBoyGeniusReport+(Boy+Genius+Report)
Not good news...looks like Q4 for 2.1.
Why do you say that? "Coming weeks" falls in line with the end of Q3 schedule quite nicely.
AT&T is too late.
x10 isn't as attractive than evo 4g or droid x or galaxy S.
Not to mention Iphone.
I don't see their sales will go up. Now if x10 was released in feb or match by At&T that's another story.
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AT&T is too late.
x10 isn't as attractive than evo 4g or droid x or galaxy S.
Not to mention Iphone.
I don't see their sales will go up. Now if x10 was released in feb or match by At&T that's another story.
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What do u mean x10 isn't attractive?Galaxy S is just another iphone ripoff, evo 4g looks like a brick sent into a squashing machine and while the droid x doesn't look too bad, it doesn't compare to the X10's design
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AT&T is too late.
x10 isn't as attractive than evo 4g or droid x or galaxy S.
Not to mention Iphone.
I don't see their sales will go up. Now if x10 was released in feb or match by At&T that's another story.
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what? are you serious ?
Sadly, North americans are people that sulk in pursuing numbers and names. Not their functions nor design.
If not then Iphone wouldn't be sold so many here. which iphone user actually looked into and compare the function of Iphone against other before buying an Iphone.
And evo 4g isn't really 4g (from what i read). But everyone think it is 4g and buy it out.
While functions, x10 lost to all the latest phones. The only thing that is attractive enough is SE's brand name, which some of us bought it because of it.
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Sadly, North americans are people that sulk in pursuing numbers and names. Not their functions nor design.
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I'm not into names, numbers or looks, only function.
Bought the X10 because it was/is the largest screen Android phone in Canada with North American 3G. (wasn't going to pay $800 to import an N1)
Happy with Android 1.6 but wish it did BT Voice Dial.
Don't care about looks which is why I stuck a 2600mAh battery in it's butt
BTW, I also never understood the iPhone attraction.
x10 is very good looking in white or black, It fits in the hand good not like the hd2. Soon or later 2.1 would come, and I don't care about 2.2. Anyway, all I want to say is x10 is good and just give it a try.
Sorry, but your posts make no sense. The Evo 4G is 4G, which is available only in a very limited number of major American cities.
The Evo 4G is not a true competitor for any other phone because it is such a niche product.
The Galaxy S, Droid Incredible, Droid X, and Droid 2 are the X10's biggest competition, but I assume that AT&T will price the X10 accordingly (i.e. lower than the others).
hmm so where is HondaGuy? Any answers for doubting me that the X10 is coming to AT&T since I was the first to state it a while ago?
The AT&T logo appears only in the back on the cover, we get to keep our XPERIA logo on the front
And 2.1 will be ready near the end of Q3 in September, the Q4 one is something else Let's just say we will be happy 2 more times with our X10 before the year ends
As late as the x10 is coming into the game for the american market, I feel that it is still plenty competitive with other flagship smartphones. There are only few minor issues with the x10, being the lack of MT and the lower built in ram and rom.
If at&t markets the phone correctly to those looking for a high quality camera phone, I think the x10 can make a great impression. While looks is an interpretive concept, I have heard a lot of positive comments about the phone's design and imo is currently the best looking phone available with android. For those reasons, I think the x10 will definitely get some crapple converts.
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The way that the 4 is selling out everywhere, no "crapple" owner is going to convert.
However, plenty of RIM users will jump onto the Android train.
These are hish wash here in the US. You go to ATT local store all you can see is selection of 10 crappy phone which they have put four of each in every corner (4x10 - 40 crappy phones) and a stand with iPhone on it. I have been ATT customer for 4 years now and I have never bought a phone from them. Phone Company in the US suck with no options. People don't care about the phone, as long as it has iphone options or some cool other feature or even if it doesn't.
We see the phones as gadget many people don't see it that way.
I wish t-mobile could bring their European policy here in the US.$0 for phone anything you like.
Let them be happy with their iPhone. as long as they are not using it for their pregnancy test.
Some reason I think X10 will do great in US.
When X10 was realesed, I doubted that it won't really do well in front of HTC and Motorola as it was Sony Ericsson's first Android device and no multitouch with 1.6
When I bought, I was amazed. I think the user experience is Brilliant!!! Top notch phone with hardware specs. The problem is not X10, it's the Sony Ericsson's delays with upgrades, but not to forget they are catching up. It's not they are not doing anything about it
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Sunday, 06 March 2011 08:34 Valeria Wilson
AT&T seems to be a roll ever since its lost exclusivity to the iPhone 4. In their build up of high-end Android smartphones to match the lineup of the Verizon iPhone and Droids, AT&T has already delivered us the HTC Inspire 4G, Motorola Atrix 4G and shortly the Samsung Infuse 4G. However a recent FCC filing of the Android 2.3 Gingerbread Sony Xperia Arc shows that AT&T has another high-end Android headed its way.
Sony Xperia Arc joining Motorola Atrix, HTC Inspire, Samsung Infuse
The Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc packs a super slim body, 4.2-inch touchscreen display, 1GHz Snapdragon processor, 512MB RAM, a microSD slot with upto 32GB storage support, 1500 mAh battery and the icing on the cake, Android 2.3 Gingerbread preloaded.
The Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc passed through the FCC sporting GSM AT&T bands (including HSPA/HSUPA, UTMS 2/5).
Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc release date and price tag unconfirmed
AT&T has yet to announce the price or release date of the Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc but word on the street has speculated an April release date and $750 unlocked price tag at this time.
good news for AT&T customers
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Can you unlock it?
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Can you unlock it?
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yes, but have to wait a week or 2 after the phone hit market
750 for an unlocked unit? hmmmm sounds good
wonder how much with at&t xD
My guess is $199.99 with 2 yrs contract.
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750 for an unlocked unit? hmmmm sounds good
wonder how much with at&t xD
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Anyone think Arc has a better chance than X10 on AT&T? I still prefer the style of X10 over Atrix, HTC Inspire, and Samsung Infuse but I doubt the common customer will care about SE's Arc just like they didn't care about X10.
I've been mostly using SE phones (X10) every since I got W910. After reading about Samsung Infuse here , I am seriously thinking to jump from SE train as to me Arc already looks outdated compared to many of the Android phones already out there on AT&T and T-mobile. No front camera, no dedicated Search button, less RAM compared to the other latest phones, etc, etc.
If Infuse is no different than the other cheap Samsung crap, I might still be back to Arc but just can't get why SE still keeps announcing their phones way ahead of release date and then make them look outdated when it finally gets to the customer. They should have at least got a front camera on Arc to attract new customers instead of just SE fans. I know most of us here don't care about front camera nor do people who really care about it probably won't use it but if they want to sell phones, this is almost mandatory these days.
must admit I would have gone for the neo, if I wasn't so seduced by the look of the arc.. Front camera would be good. SE said they couldn't fit one into the body of the arc.
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I really don't get why everyone wants a front camera? Does anyone ever do video calls? It's bloody weird talking to your phone, holding it in front of you! I've honestly never seen anyone do it, even though we have nationwide 3G and a lot of people have a phone with a front-facing camera!
will sonystyle usa sell this phone unlock when released?
I would use it for video calls if I could. But not in public! Probably use it to chat to my kids when I'm away from home with work.
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I really don't get why everyone wants a front camera? Does anyone ever do video calls? It's bloody weird talking to your phone, holding it in front of you! I've honestly never seen anyone do it, even though we have nationwide 3G and a lot of people have a phone with a front-facing camera!
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It's not about using. It is one of those features that is usually one of the top features listed when comparing features. Front camera's were quite common few years back in SE's dumb phones like W910. Since it's being hardly used they probably decided to leave it out. But once, iPhone 4 got that feature everyone (even the freakin media) talk like iPhone invented it. But iPhone 4 sure did a great job in making it work on WiFi.
Maybe Arc not having front camera is good for us as SE has to price it low or drop the price pretty fast as it will be a hard sell for them when compared to the competition. Especially on AT&T as most common people will fall for dual-core/front facing camera of Atrix, huge screen of Samsung Infuse, or low price of HTC Inspire. So, it will be X10 all over again for Arc on AT&T. I hope it can be purchased for $399 without contract like I got X10.
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It's not about using. It is one of those features that is usually one of the top features listed when comparing features. Front camera's were quite common few years back in SE's dumb phones like W910. Since it's being hardly used they probably decided to leave it out. But once, iPhone 4 got that feature everyone (even the freakin media) talk like iPhone invented it. But iPhone 4 sure did a great job in making it work on WiFi.
Maybe Arc not having front camera is good for us as SE has to price it low or drop the price pretty fast as it will be a hard sell for them when compared to the competition. Especially on AT&T as most common people will fall for dual-core/front facing camera of Atrix, huge screen of Samsung Infuse, or low price of HTC Inspire. So, it will be X10 all over again for Arc on AT&T. I hope it can be purchased for $399 without contract like I got X10.
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Aha, so it's more due to the stupidity of the average American customer
Well, if you want a simfree contractless phone you could always have one shipped from Europe! Don't count on $399 though, $499 would be more in line with the EU prices.
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Aha, so it's more due to the stupidity of the average American customer
Well, if you want a simfree contractless phone you could always have one shipped from Europe! Don't count on $399 though, $499 would be more in line with the EU prices.
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I can't wait for AT&T to get this phone. So, I will jump for a SIM free version as soon as one with AT&T 3G is available.
AT&T dropped Atrix 4G no-commitment price to $499 and HTC Inspire is only $399. I hope they get Arc soon. It definitely has to be $499 or even less as Moto is much more popular seller for AT&T than our beloved SE.
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I really don't get why everyone wants a front camera? Does anyone ever do video calls? It's bloody weird talking to your phone, holding it in front of you! I've honestly never seen anyone do it, even though we have nationwide 3G and a lot of people have a phone with a front-facing camera!
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They want to give more money to ATT. In the past ATT charged extra for video calling and had special plans in place. Now you will have to have wifi connection or huge data plan to use video.
Every SE phone in the EU had front facing camera, but the USA ones Didn't.
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AT&T has yet to announce the price or release date of the Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc but word on the street has speculated an April release date and $750 unlocked price tag at this time.
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ROFLMAO $750? It's pretty but it is hardware challenged especially since they say that they have unannounced phones with better specs a few quarters away.
It can't cost more than a iphone.... last year's iphone....
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For sure? Any news on release date?
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update:
Arc and Neo service is running now
I can get a T-Mobile one for $400 new plus the SBH20 headset for free from Sony's site (combination of corporate perks discount, Sony credit card offer, and Sony rewards points). I'm wondering if there's any reason I shouldn't pick it up, especially at that price.
I'd be using it as a secondary/work phone - meaning mostly limited to phone calls, texts, and minor web stuff like calendar appointments. I already have a Z Ultra so I don't need anything as big or high-tech (like the Note 3), and the screen/size is fine for me having seen and held it in person. I figure mostly it'd be a nice compliment to my Ultra.
Thoughts? I've owned a S4 Mini and HTC One, and played around with a regular S4 a lot and wasn't particularly impressed. My choices beyond that are limited, considering I need it to work on T-Mobile US and don't want to spend too much on this phone.
There's also some low-end phone like the Xperia M or L I could get that should be compatible with T-Mobile 4G (not LTE), but then I don't get the nice specs or build quality.
I think you answered your own question.
I love the phone, it's perfect for anything you want.
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It's a bargain for 400$. Grab it...
Personally I wouldn't bother if it's only for a second phone, the Ultra is more than meaty enough for everything you could want and even better is that when you get home, are waiting for the bus, having lunch at your desk etc...you can watch films or tv on that big ass Ultra screen.
So I'm still waiting for my Sony card to come in to order the phone, but now I just caught wind of the Xperia Z1 "f"/Mini, which is a beast at only 4.3" in size...I'm considering waiting for that, even if it'd be more expensive, since that way I'll always have a really good camera with me.
I dunno, I'll gut out my HTC G2 and use that until I get a release date on that new Z1, and see pricing as well as LTE bands (if any).
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Personally I wouldn't bother if it's only for a second phone, the Ultra is more than meaty enough for everything you could want and even better is that when you get home, are waiting for the bus, having lunch at your desk etc...you can watch films or tv on that big ass Ultra screen.
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I'm also thinking about that, and considering just going with an Xperia M or L, since that'd only be like $100 after my discounts and whatnot. I just don't want too weak of a phone or too bad of a screen that I won't be able to use outdoors.
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So I'm still waiting for my Sony card to come in to order the phone, but now I just caught wind of the Xperia Z1 "f"/Mini, which is a beast at only 4.3" in size...I'm considering waiting for that, even if it'd be more expensive, since that way I'll always have a really good camera with me.
I dunno, I'll gut out my HTC G2 and use that until I get a release date on that new Z1, and see pricing as well as LTE bands (if any).
I'm also thinking about that, and considering just going with an Xperia M or L, since that'd only be like $100 after my discounts and whatnot. I just don't want too weak of a phone or too bad of a screen that I won't be able to use outdoors.
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To be honest once Sony release their next handset or two, 'older' handsets like the Z, ZR, ZL etc are going to start dropping prices pretty rapidly. You might be able to pick up something in the low to mid range of the Z handsets.
See what the market ends up like
http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/6/8351785/sony-xperia-z3-t-mobile-discontinued
Uh oh, Sony is now going to have a much harder time in the US unless it decides to do the Z4 on all carriers when it releases. I have the Verizon variant and I'm loving it but I'm shocked T-Mobile quickly decides to discontinue the Z3. I hope Verizon doesn't do the same although they're selling the Z3v for 99 cents on contract.
What do you guys think? Is there still hope the Z4 will invade the US market?
Does this mean no lollipop for D6616?
To be honest, no I don't think the Z4 will sell well in the US either even though it will probably be a great device. Even when I bought the Z3 I did not think it would really sell. It's not that it's a bad device, it's just that more people associate Android phones with HTC/Samsung/LG. Sony has not done much advertising and so not many people even know it exists. Everything I just said pertains more to the US than other countries, where Sony has a bigger footprint.
Just look at the HTC Butterfly how many people bought it? Even though it was higher end device than the M7 and also had a better camera. I loved it but it wasn't really advertised as much as the M7.
honestly, i'm not surprised. you can gauge how well a product is doing based on how many other companies want to piggyback on its success. When talking about phones, this usually means accessories, and if you compare it to the other smartphones on the market of the same price range, the adoption of the Z3 in the States was abysmal. You can't even go out a buy a nice case for it, even at T-Mo stores..
I agree with wprpalmeida and abhinav.tella. The whole branding for Sony smartphone is lacking in the US to the fullest. You will hear a lot about the new Samsung Galaxy, iPhone, HTC, etc. in the commercials. Everyone is familiar with these brands. I had Samsung Galaxy S5 or iPhone 6 users compliment on my Z3, but had no idea it was a Sony phone. Let me just say that if Samsung or Apple had done the branding and advertisement for Sony, Sony would be in way better shape.
Not only in US... Situation EU countries is similar.
I'm trying to find case for Z3 and there's nothing in Tmobile or other stores...
When I remember Z, Z1.... even Z2, stores were full of gadgets, cases and screen protectors.
You could buy many things on EBay and on stores but Z3 is very poor with accessories for this device...
Sony is losing this battle.... Unfortunately.
I really like Xperia devices but changes on Z3 and Z4 just aren't good enough.
New SoC, cool...but where's other things?
They are just moving speakers and hardware buttons around device...
I had Z1, Z2 and Z3 and I always had to look closely to make sure I took device I want...
Now I have only Z1 and Z3, I bought Note4 and it's exciting new thing for me...
It's not better then Z3, it's same as Z3 but it's something new for me...
But lets not spit only on Sony, all manufacturers are doing the same thing...
I guess we reached the point where we don't need more cpu power or memory..
We need better OS and battery...
Better battery we probably won't see but we could get faster updates and better firmware / software...
If Apple has hardware from Note4 or Z3 powered by iOS they would show what we actually have under the hood...
It's ridiculous to have more power in phones then in notebooks and see that notebooks are faster then phones.
And still they are on Windows?! [emoji14]
I'm thinking... We are probably close to see Android we'll have to pay and devices that are same for years...
Something just have to change..
"Batteries are getting worse" (ridiculously strong and fast SoC are killing them), screens are going into XXXXHD resolutions...
We need better OS, at least better optimised OS...not more power in cpu and gpu... God...I need smartphone, not GameBoy..
Manufacturers have to realised that or Sony won't be the only one who got shoe in the ass...
If that was reason (slow updates and same devices for a years) for Tmobile to cans Sony and their Z1 copies then I salute to Tmobile..
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Oh for MOD EDIT Rule 2 @gregbradley sake! Now with this news how in the hell are we gonna get the D6616 lollipop update now? At first I thought the Sony Xperia Z3 was a great phone and now with all this delays, discontinuations, no support for root, I'm never gonna buy a Sony phone again. The only reason why I bought this phone was because it had 3GB RAM and SD card and 20MP camera.
If I were to switch to another brand, every other one is crap too. HTC already failed to make a great camera on its M9. Samsung Edge and S6 have no support for SD card and is a copy of iPhone 6. Motorola doesn't make phones with the latest specs and an SD card. Sony is a complete joke, so who's left? The only one to make me happy is LG but that 5.5 inch is just overkill but its the only phone that has everything I want. There's no phone thats perfect for my needs.
Very sad, but can't really blame T-Mobile. 1st couple of batches on TMO were defective (spontaneous back glass cracks, fitment issues, etc.), then Sony themselves offer zero advertisement to move units. Word of mouth only goes so far. Every person I have shown this phone to (and its capabilities) is very impressed, but they always say "Xperia what?" They have already annouced support for 5.0 on TMO, so I'd be really suprised if they back out now.
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Let me just say that if Samsung or Apple had done the branding and advertisement for Sony, Sony would be in way better shape.
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Samsung and Apple spend obscene amounts of money in their marketing campaigns. Even when the Z series could be a better product by objective standards, Sony just doesn't have the muscle power (the money) to let people know. Also Not sure how is elsewhere, but getting in bed with the carriers is crucial to sell your phone in the USA, only Apple is able to escape this fate.
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To be honest, no I don't think the Z4 will sell well in the US either even though it will probably be a great device. Even when I bought the Z3 I did not think it would really sell. It's not that it's a bad device, it's just that more people associate Android phones with HTC/Samsung/LG. Sony has not done much advertising and so not many people even know it exists. Everything I just said pertains more to the US than other countries, where Sony has a bigger footprint.
Just look at the HTC Butterfly how many people bought it? Even though it was higher end device than the M7 and also had a better camera. I loved it but it wasn't really advertised as much as the M7.
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Americans are brainwashed by advertising, and so we know only what we have been programmed to believe.
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Americans are brainwashed by advertising, and so we know only what we have been programmed to believe.
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Brainwashed or not, if you want to sell a product in large quantities you have to cut through the noise. As mentioned, there is no incentive for sales staff to sell a product with little consumer knowledge when they have a more widely known alternative available. I believe that informed consumers will always be relative minority.
Yes, you are correct, which leads me to my other criticism of American retail. Many large retail chains employ people at low wages and provide very little training on their products. You couple an uneducated store clerk and uneducated consumer and you get a marriage of ignorance and misunderstanding of the product that the customer is purchasing. T-mobile, in my view, is selling the data plan, over the phone. That's their produc: the data plan. They couldn't care as much about the hardware. The feign ignorance so that you believe you need a new phone. Sheisters!
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Brainwashed or not, if you want to sell a product in large quantities you have to cut through the noise. As mentioned, there is no incentive for sales staff to sell a product with little consumer knowledge when they have a more widely known alternative available. I believe that informed consumers will always be relative minority.
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Well to be fair, at least the store near me where I went for 3 exchanges (Z3) told me there were many others coming in for replacements as well due to defects cosmetic (gaps) or camera, apparently they received a bad batch/es... so low sales and high return rates generally call for a phase out or TMO will also be at the receiving end.
abhinav.tella said:
Well to be fair, at least the store near me where I went for 3 exchanges (Z3) told me there were many others coming in for replacements as well due to defects cosmetic (gaps) or camera, apparently they received a bad batch/es... so low sales and high return rates generally call for a phase out or TMO will also be at the receiving end.
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The store I went to touted the Z3. I wound up getting it by calling t-mobile and throwing the "I've been with you guys for thirteen years" flag, and they took $100 off. My Z3 hasn't given me any troubles... Yet. We'll see.
Did you buy it at launch? Some of the stores apparently got bad batches at launch, they stripped 10+ boxes in my 3 visits to TMO store, my current one is good though. Then again apparently even the iPhone 6 had many warranty returns at TMO lol, they told me that it would take time to process refund from my first Z3 exchange, because they were backlogged with returned iPhone 6s lol.
No root (and locked bootloader) killed the phone.
The latest update makes Galaxy-compatible headset works 100% with volume +-.
Frankly, I want to stay away from Samsh_t as far as possible, and though I am happy with LG G3, lacking band 12 may make me move on. No root makes me hesitant to get this phone because I need root to fix write to SD problem.
abhinav.tella said:
Did you buy it at launch? Some of the stores apparently got bad batches at launch, they stripped 10+ boxes in my 3 visits to TMO store, my current one is good though. Then again apparently even the iPhone 6 had many warranty returns at TMO lol, they told me that it would take time to process refund from my first Z3 exchange, because they were backlogged with returned iPhone 6s lol.
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What was bad about them? I'm curious.
Nathan-NL said:
What was bad about them? I'm curious.
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Well the first two had big gaps between screen and frame with glue missing / bits of glue visible (i think) and massive light bleed from there, one had a pink camera (mild), the 4th one is perfect (current one).
The electronic buying habit of the american public blows me away. Don't people research anything anymore? It's like we've become incapable of doing anything outside of the norm. Apple is making a killing selling a technologically inferior product because it's the cool thing to own now. It makes me feel like my fellow countrymen are just plain stupid most of the time. Plus you would think Apple invented big screens and NFC payments. Ugh....
And, most think Samsung is the only non Apple alternative.
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danishdish said:
Americans are brainwashed by advertising, and so we know only what we have been programmed to believe.
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danishdish said:
Yes, you are correct, which leads me to my other criticism of American retail. Many large retail chains employ people at low wages and provide very little training on their products. You couple an uneducated store clerk and uneducated consumer and you get a marriage of ignorance and misunderstanding of the product that the customer is purchasing. T-mobile, in my view, is selling the data plan, over the phone. That's their produc: the data plan. They couldn't care as much about the hardware. The feign ignorance so that you believe you need a new phone. Sheisters!
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It's borderline anti trust going on at the mobile phone companies. I'd like to see them completely removed from the phone buying experience. They have way too much influence. Seems we did this once in the old days when you had to buy your land line phone from ATT. You should be able to buy an American phone that covers all bands and then choose your carrier.