Let me give you some background information. 2 years ago I was taken in by the beauty of the Sony Ericsson Xperia x1i.
Now while this phone looked amazing the interface was really bad and I was forever getting frustated.
Then I discovered this site and Then it happened! I became a flashing addict!.
I loved Itjes Touch it series with manilla and windows mobile 6.5/.5 builds which made the phone alot more usable.
So April came round and I was due an upgrade and I heard alot of buzzing about the HTC HD2 and after watching lots of videos and reviews I knew this is what I needed.
Now the unit I got was an 02 branded unit and it worked excellent but I knew it would be a matter of time before my addiction takes over and before I knew it I was flashing a diffrent rom everyday.
But I have found there to be so many bugs and problems with the custom roms that last week I decided to return to the stock o2 rom and I have to say the phone now just works! no problems, no lag during streaming, no glitches.
So I think I am done with the flashing random roms thing now.
Anyone else returned to the stock roms after feeling disatisfyied by customer roms?
Never tried flashing yet, I am on stock 1.66.707.1 ROM
I too had Sony Ericsson Xperia x1i and like you decided to flash it. I really didn't like the custom UI so decided to revert back to the stock ROM. But - on account of me being a complete noob - I somehow managed to brick the phone!
So I claimed, and got the HD2.
So far I’ve not flashed any custom ROMs as I don't really want to run the risk of destroying my beloved HD2 and I’m actually happy with the stock ROM (1.72.206.3) and using CHT I just customise everything else - pretty much on a daily basis!
Very tempted to flash it with android when it's fully ready, but I guess only time will tell if that happens.
there arent problems...but i dont wanna brick my hd2 because of "i wanna have the newest thing" blablaaa
maybe i'll flash android, but as long as my stock 1.48 wm rom is working, im pretty happy...thanks to cookie
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The energy rom on my phone runs 100% smoother with 10,000% less glitches and lockups than the stock Tmous one did
I know everyones opinions are diffrent which is fair enough. But for me I have found the stock roms to be the best and most reliable.
Not taking anything away from our chefs as I know they do an excellent job but Custom roms are not for everyone.
I think I just want a phone that just works and does not need to be constantly tweeked for it to do some of the simpletest tasks.
yea after years of flashing i no longer use custom roms, I do however use tweeks to get it how i want it, no rom is perfect for everyone. I just got fed up of all the different roms that promised loads and where no better than stock imho.
I've flashed so many times I don't set up my quicklinks anymore. I just have grey squares showing and in a couple days I'll reinstall a new set of grey squares aka flash a new rom. My G2 arrives on the 5th.
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I've flashed so many times I don't set up my quicklinks anymore. I just have grey squares showing and in a couple days I'll reinstall a new set of grey squares aka flash a new rom. My G2 arrives on the 5th.
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See this is how i was too at first.. the Tmous rom was more unstable than the worst rom on here.. i had to pull the battery on my wifes and my phone at LEAST daily the first week we had them.. Chasing that dragon and trying every new flash the second it comes out might not be the way to go as far as stability. but i DO know Tmous stock rom was garbage.
So maybe your O2 stock rom is just a more stable rom off the shelf than ours was.. in which case youll understand why it is hard to relate.
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See this is how i was too at first.. the Tmous rom was more unstable than the worst rom on here.. i had to pull the battery on my wifes and my phone at LEAST daily the first week we had them.. Chasing that dragon and trying every new flash the second it comes out might not be the way to go as far as stability. but i DO know Tmous stock rom was garbage.
So maybe your O2 stock rom is just a more stable rom off the shelf than ours was.. in which case youll understand why it is hard to relate.
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Thats a very fair statement, I have no experiance of what the TMOUS rom is like so am not able to speak of all types on stock roms.
But as far as the O2 rom goes its just boot screen and a wallpaper otherwise it is the generic 1.72 rom and mius the wifi router which I have installed anyway.
I agree with the above post where alot of chefs make promises for vast speed improvement etc where really its just the same as any other rom.
Ive read that the O2 roms are pretty bad.........
I was stock for a good 6 or 7 months until I flashed an energy rom, the only reason I flashed was to see what all the fuss was about........
The first t mobile rom that came with the phone (1.66 i think) was stable however there was no youtube client, installing any of the youtube clients available always led to me losing the ability to use media players and the htc video player, apart from that the rom was ok........
The next official t mobile rom (1.72) was absolutely fine, i never experienced a problem. Like I said, I got fed of reading about how great custom roms were and decided to see what all the fuss was about.....
I even got an arsey comment from someone on here about how I must be "the only person on here still using a stock rom" lol
I flashed the energy rom thats in my sig and have stuck with it to this day because it "just works" its faster than the stock, has no bloatware and nice extras like shake2save rotate screen etc... the downside is the battery life....
That said, If I had to go back to a stock rom i really wouldnt be that bothered... I guess I was lucky that the tmo uk one was a good one though...
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I have tried various roms including the stock rom that came with my phone....
The stock rom SUCKS.
Energy was good; Chucky was good for android but minimal (not complaining).
Current rom is better than stock and great for Android....
Stock Roms are buggy too, just after awhile; slow respone and lagging becomes "acceptable". I had a MotoRokr E8 for a year! I know what slow and unresponsive means......
The Chefs here often exceed the stock rom's abilities and functionality....
KUDOS TO THE CHEFS.
running the stock t-mobile us rom here on a 3 week old phone and absolutely no issues other than THIRD PARTY apps not exiting correctly but that was resolved with a restart of the deice and the apps have been good since
you can try Duttys ROMs if you haven' yet. The best for me. No Bloatware, close to stock, extremely fast and stable and as always, Android friendly.
I had a few problems with the original Tmo us rom but nothing bad enough to make me leave it. The upgraded version while still buggy is much better. Again, I have no desire to leave it though. When the next iteration of this phone hits perhaps I'll switch But without tethering WM7 is out of the question until it gets put in.
The stock and latest TMobile ROM for the HD2 runs very well.
I did not want to change it after doing all the registry tweaks and 3D Drivers, etc.
Then Android came and I had to make a move.
I tried several custom ROMs, and you are right, they all were not me.
Some had stuff I did not like, and in my opinion, were not better than stock.
Until I found the ENERGY ROM in my signature.
It still needs a few registry tweaks and LEOCPU, but once is set, it is the best ROM I ever had.
I think is perfect.
Very organized, clean, beautifull and fast.
It has the latest drivers from the HTC Oboe, the new WM6.5 Devise to be released now in October 2010 in China.
Lots of improvements over stock ROM. In communications, system upgrades, software, etc.
Including the most recent release of Sence for Windows Mobile, version 2018.
So yes, there are better than stock ROMS out there.
The last update for the HD2 was on May 2010.
NRGZ28 has incorporated updates in his latest Energy ROM, that are 4 to 5 months newer.
I've always liked stock roms. I ran the stock TMOUS TP2 WM 6.1 ROM forever, since I heard the 6.5 ROMs ate all the memory. I'm currently still running the 2.13 stock rom on my TMOUS HD2, but I'm considering the leaked pie rom.
Well, I am running 1.66 Stock ROM, CHT 1.61 and had no single freeze the last 6 months, my HD2 softresetted once a week after SPB Backup or after a flight.
I applied almost all reg tweaks posted in tips&tricks, use BsB and thats fine for me.
What prevented me from flashing custom ROMs was that I ALWAYS read carefully the comments of the users flashing it. And there is no single custom ROM where it reads ONLY: runs flawless.
So this is mostly not the fault of the cook though but the fact that we have to deal with so many languages and providers that prevent a cooked ROM from running flawlessly in any language and provider environment.
Of course the cooks program their ROMS in their native lang and with the preliminaries of their provider so this is why their ROMS simply cant work flawlessly on EVERY HD2 in this world.
Maybe this is why the upcoming WP7 is so restrictive in hard- and software to guarantee a smooth function in every country with every provider (in case it WILL run smooth )
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you can try Duttys ROMs if you haven' yet. The best for me. No Bloatware, close to stock, extremely fast and stable and as always, Android friendly.
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+1 here for Dutty's ROMs. Fantastic, close to stock, yet running latest Sense etc. Have been great for me and no need to keep updating - I just update on major changes and I'm well happy with it.
I'm the opposite had my hd2 from vodafone with just about the worst ROM that could have been provided constantly crashing and generally rendered my phone unusable so fed up with waiting for vodafone to release an update i flashed a custom rom and ain't looked back i was using energy's rom but for the last week I've been using elegancia rom without HTC messaging and I'm amazed how good it is also using darkstone Android and no issues with either makes my phone awesome
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I wonder how many people will agree with me. I have spent the last several months playing around with different ROMs -- both 6.1 and now 6.5. I have found that it takes me at least 5 hours to put everything "back in" after uploading a ROM (I admit that I have 20-odd programs and lots of tweaking to do which I cannot automise) and have decided that this is really a waste of time. I am neglecting ACTUALLY WORKING on my phone (I have several projects going; one is compiling a dictionary). My family has also suffered from lack of attention. I find that when I wake up, the first thing on my mind is: Is there a new ROM for me to download today?
So I have stopped this madness. I have gone back to the latest generic English ROM and have started to add various CABs to suit my needs for new stuff For example I have the 'Growing' panel, and lots of other things like the new calculator from 6.5. I think this is the way forward for me. Of course, I just might give in to temptation as the ROMs get better -- who knows? And I will always be grateful to the cooks.
I wonder how many people would agree with what I have just written; would love to read your comments... Thanks
I fully agree with you. I haven't used a single cooked ROM yet, still I have a lot to do with finding the right software for my phone, installing it, uninstalling it again, adjusting the settings, etc. It consumes a LOOOT of time and it definitely has a great impact on my life at this time. Hope that I will have everything I need soon
I would agree if the new roms brought nothing to the table but after using itje's 4.5 rom i can't say i agree. That was just a spectacular development.
I think the ROM developement here is amazing and the proof of people creativity on .xda. I admire it.
At the same time I don't use it.
No time, no need.
Don't want any risk either.
Generic UK is good. I wait for R3.
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I think the ROM developement here is amazing and the proof of people creativity on .xda. I admire it.
At the same time I don't use it.
No time, no need.
Don't want any risk either.
Generic UK is good. I wait for R3.
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I couldn't have said it better.
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For example I have the 'Growing' panel, and lots of other things like the new calculator from 6.5.
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Where did you get a calculator from 6.5? I'm looking for a nice free calculator and that sounds nice
Beside, I agree with you, I think it will coast a lot of time, I didn't install a custom ROM and I'll wait for the official R3AA Rom, I think the custom ROMs are great, and I'm a lot browsing through the threads, but I do need a lot of time...
I agree with you.
I have tried most of the english ROMs for X1. And i tell you the best ROM is the official generic ones(generic UK in my case)
Almost all the cuztom roms out now have problems, little bugs here and there. I like Jacks ROMs best, because he always tries to perfect his ROM. Even the little enhancment tweaks which are posted here, they are not worth it.
Just stick with the official stuff and use the product that are made good developers (like HTC and SPB)
I for one am pretty happy with the nX1i ROM. Its lite and works like a charm.
But yea...its pretty darn annoying to have to install everything back into the device.
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I have found that it takes me at least 5 hours to put everything "back in" after uploading a ROM.
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5 hours? Did you use UC to automate the install process? I had UC for almost everything (e.g. software install, software registration w/ registry or file copying, shortcut moving, customization ....etc) and it take about 20 mins and require no attention. It may take some time beforehand for UC, but worth it since the one time process will work for any UC custom rom w/ any device (w/ minor change) in the long run.
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So I have stopped this madness. I have gone back to the latest generic English ROM and have started to add various CABs to suit my needs for new stuff
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Isn't that you are doing the same thing except it's just on a stock rom (and no UC to automate yr process)?
I am not either a flashing fun.
I ve had 2 WM phones b4 (MIO & ETEN) with very buggy official ROMs. And a good custom ROM could give tones of added value at these old times.
But with X1 things are different. The latest version of the official ROM is quite good. Not any serious issues.
A good reason to flash a custom rom could be if u like Manila (which I don't)
ATM, I am using nX1i which is actually same as the official, except some junks removed and some newer version apps and I am very happy with it.
Looking like NRG has dropped the ball on the TMOUS Version Rom, because i don`t see the thread anymore.
It is kind of good because his roms are getting too usual and bringing nothing new
Energy rom
I still like his rom though
I asked the same question. His rom can be found in the standard HD2 thread, he does have TMOUS specific version still. Maybe he isn't going to continue with that ??
As long as it is still TMOUS compatible it may not NEED to be in this forum but I think it might be better since the separation keeps things clearer (less chance of costly mistakes). However, while I enjoyed his ROMs on the Touch Pro2 I found that the focus seems to be entirely on modifying HTC Sense. The ROMs have become a bit more bug ridden as well. On the HD2 I couldn't even use the dialer as it disappeared constantly. It might be just as well that the ROM isn't listed :/
NRGZ is the man! Im on the latest NRGZ release and its been working almost perfectly for me so far.
He said recently that there will no longer be a TombileUS specific ROM anymore since the ONLY difference between it and his other HD2 ROMs are the tmobile apps, which can easily be installed via .cabs.
He's no longer making TMoUS-specific ROMs, but you can just install his standard HD2 ROMs and get whatever TMoUS CABs you need from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=653563
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Hey guys, I am switching over from the htc blackstone and have experienced with using roms cooked by chefs. However, I am a beginner when it comes to android and have a few questions regarding cooked roms.
How polished are the roms cooked by the major chefs here? Because when using roms cooked for winmo, each ones have irritating bugs that need to be reflashed constantly on a weekly basis.
Is the desire rom build still in its early beta stage?
Thanks guys!
Cyan's ROM is perfect from my use. I have yet to try a sense rom, like modaco's because of compatibility problems. I can vouch for cyans rom being FAST and without error.
As far as I can tell the (non Sense) ROMs from Cyanogen and MoDaCa are really stable and don't have any issues with standart android apps.
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Because when using roms cooked for winmo, each ones have irritating bugs that need to be reflashed constantly on a weekly basis.
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Same thing here. Desire ROM has Bluetooth and Cyanogen's ROM on my phone Gmail sync didn't work.
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have irritating bugs that need to be reflashed constantly on a weekly basis.
Thanks guys!
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That's just WinMo surely?
Some of the roms can be, but thats mainly in test roms or "alpha" releases. Guys that create roms here are good at letting you know what issues are present in roms so you can decide if thats a big deal for you or not.
As a former winmo guy I would say there were plenty of stable roms that didnt require reflashing, ever. Where you using mtty? At any rate I have only tried enoms rom so far. It has a couple odd issues for me but most of them I found answers to, the gain over the stock rom is well worth dealing with them and the rom itself has been stable. I'll be giving CM a shot here shortly and see how that goes. There is in general a feeling of android development being in its infancy to me as compared to the winmo stuff.
The Desire rom is still in alpha stages, but it is polished enough to be considered a full release.
All ROMs available for N1 are near perfection. No major bugs.
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All ROMs available for N1 are near perfection. No major bugs.
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don't be posting stuff that just isn't true... Pretty much all the ROMS are super stable (as I type this I just got a call I tried to pick up with bluetooth and the phone froze up, only happend about 3 times in the last month).
However, some ROMs are farther than others.. Right now from what I know ALL the SenseUI roms do not have 100% Bluetooth working... this is because the bluetooth stack has hooks into the SenseUI Kernel. The Nexus One can't use that kernel...
There are always little fixes for the ROMs that cooks produce, but on the whole the N1 has experienced very stable roms for the most part. (I'm comparing to lots of other phones I have played with like my HTC Tilt, LOL).
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Hey guys, I am switching over from the htc blackstone and have experienced with using roms cooked by chefs. However, I am a beginner when it comes to android and have a few questions regarding cooked roms.
How polished are the roms cooked by the major chefs here? Because when using roms cooked for winmo, each ones have irritating bugs that need to be reflashed constantly on a weekly basis.
Is the desire rom build still in its early beta stage?
Thanks guys!
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My experience coming from the infamous HD2 (Leo) to my very first Android which happened to be the Nexus one, i can only imagine how HAPPY you will become.
I have been a looooong time Big time fan of Winmo from Pocket PC 2002 to WM 6.5 until few weeks ago when i decided to abort the ship.
I have just realized how stupid i am to compromise all my time in a mobile operating system that keeps on wasting my time (i.e. Taking out the battery because it hangs/froze up for so many times in one day, never missed a day without a dropped call, constantly ending task in task manager to speed up the phone etc.. etc.. Upgrading firmware every freaking week thinking that maybe this time it will be more stable etc.. etc..)
I did not realized all these until one day, i have decided to write down how many times i would need to restart my infamous HD2 in one day, guess what?? 37 times!
to make it short, i sold it and got the nexus one! and for the first time in my life, i felt that this phone is worth every penny!
Although, i missed the HTC sense... i now rooted it and installed kingklick version of desire rom which is absolutely amazing! and much much better than my previous HD2!
Now that the Android Market is getting popular each day! Im Lovin it!
Since day 1, i have not even restarted the phone nor had experience any hangs or any malfunction.
dont even think about using the sense rom, they have bugs and get slow over time, not to mention the horrible battery drain from the htc sense system bc of all the apps running, just stick with cyanogen or MCR
edit: i also came from winmo (omnia user) and the flashing experience isnt as exciting as winmo's, i personally enjoyed flashing like every week, but on the nexus you will flash like once every now and then as their roms are more stable, and new rom releases arent that often as the nexus is still new and is pretty much the most up to date android phone, so dont expect much until newer phones with better or different interfaces are released...
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dont even think about using the sense rom, they have bugs and get slow over time, not to mention the horrible battery drain from the htc sense system bc of all the apps running, just stick with cyanogen or MCR
edit: i also came from winmo (omnia user) and the flashing experience isnt as exciting as winmo's, i personally enjoyed flashing like every week, but on the nexus you will flash like once every now and then as their roms are more stable, and new rom releases arent that often as the nexus is still new and is pretty much the most up to date android phone, so dont expect much until newer phones with better or different interfaces are released...
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what are you talkin about??? i am using kingklick version 1.0 desire rom for two weeks and never had an issue (besides the noted bluetooth and camera flash capture). which ofcourse are acceptable to my daily use.
the rom itself is fast compared to the original modaco alpha 21, although it is still based with the modaco (with kings mods, it made a lot of progress)
it also includes the wifi and usb tether application built in.
never had a problem with the 3g or hsdpa and reception as well.
overall ot is great!
From an Android Mod to ex ex WinMo user........please start asking question in Q&a or General.....Developmental section is strictly for that.
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Hey guys, I am switching over from the htc blackstone and have experienced with using roms cooked by chefs. However, I am a beginner when it comes to android and have a few questions regarding cooked roms.
How polished are the roms cooked by the major chefs here? Because when using roms cooked for winmo, each ones have irritating bugs that need to be reflashed constantly on a weekly basis.
Is the desire rom build still in its early beta stage?
Thanks guys!
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This is the exact reason I am NOT playing the rom flashing game with my Nexus One. **** got REAL old on Winmo
Hi all,
First of all, I wish to preface this by saying how appreciative I am of the assistance and wealth of knowledge I have found on this forum. Without it, I must say I would have been pretty disappointed with my HD2 n its purely stock form. Much like the appstore is the iPhone's primary selling point, I believe the customisable nature of WinMo devices is their main selling point and is the reason I chose to purchase an HD2 over an iPhone (other than the cost/Tech Specs) of course. This thread is in no way intended to take away from the amazing work our chefs do!
I would also appreciate if any "If you don't like customising, why are you here?" comments off this thread also as that is not in any way what this is about. god knows I have destroyed enough PC BIOSes and mobile phones trying to customise them or tweak them for the maximum achieveable performance before it all became so mainstream.
I know this kind of a question is going to get people into "attack the n00b" mode really quickly, but i feel it is a legitimate question which could spark some insightful and intelligent discussion.
I was just wondering what your honest opinions are regarding the use of cooked ROMs.
At present I am using an up to date stock ROM with many added tweaks including CHT1.7.1 and the tweaked graphics drivers and am more than happy with the way the phone looks and operates. there is no software that is missing from the stock ROM which I feel would benefit me in any way and the phone seems to operate quickly and seamlessly and so far I have not experienced any reliabillity issues.
With a long standing background in the electronics and software development field, I have always been quite a strong believer in the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" principal, but as I consider you guys and girls to be an intelligent bunch with a wealth of cumilative knowledge, I am interested in your opinions on the cooked VS customised stock ROM debate.
From what I can gather the benefits of a well developed cooked ROM such as EnergyROM or CleanEX ROM are as follows:
Menus are neatly organised and catagorised.
Extra software which is considered to be useful is preloaded.
Interface is tweaked (albiet usually no moreso than it can be with a few mods loaded on to a stock ROM)
UI and animation speed improvements.
The arguements against are as follows:
Risk (however low it is) of bricking your device
Compatabillity with different devices
Warrenty is voided (even though this can in most cases be avoided by flashing bck to a stock SPL)
Reliance on one person, or just a few people for updates rather than a huge company.
Personally, I have never used a cooked ROM, but I have been considering installing the EnergyROM on to my HD2 s it is the most closely matched cooked ROM to the way I have customised my stock ROM, however as I am currently quite happy with the way I have my stock ROM set up, I am wondering if there are any extra benefits that I have missed. It would almost seem that in my case, I am better off just sticking with the tweaked stock ROM as it serves all my needs and scouring pretty much any thread relating to a cooked ROM, I seem to stumble upon a LOT of bugs (hich have usually been fixed in subsequent releases).
To me it would seem that a lot of the time, the appeal of cooked ROMs is the "Elite" and "Geeky coolness" factor rather than actual functionallity.
Discuss....
Excellent post mate and I hope it's taken in the spirit it's intended and you're spared all the usual nonsense when questions are asked.
I've been on here a few months, but rarely ventured into the ROM's section, fairly competent with everything in the "Themes + Apps" section and like you, have my phone looking and performing pretty much how I'd want it.
All I'd perhaps want, and the reason I dip in here every now and then for a look, is perhaps a ROM which removes some of the redundant (for me) applications, ie Twitter, Footprints, Stocks etc to perhaps speed things up a little as my RAM is constantly at 60% and I'm getting low on internal storage memory despite installing everything which can be to the SD card.
But again, I wonder if there is perhaps more to this ROM flashing and whether I'd notice any real advantages which I'd not considered?
One other question for anyone who feels like answering, and it will seem silly. Are the softkeys in 6.5xx all aligned with the right hand one set further in than the left (ie non-symetrical), may seem a minor thing, but it just doesn't look right to me and if I was going to flash to something newer, I'd like to know if it can be changed.
Probably complete "noob" type questions, and apologies for partial hijack of the OP's thread, but as someone else had dared to ask some points that I'd like answered, I thought I'd stick my oar in and we can both be flamed together then.
Thanks for the support
I am the admin on another forum so I am not afraid or unfamiliar with flameage!
I'm looking forward to seeing what discussions this sparks
i think a VOTE would be great for this page....
Hi I would think the best advice would be that if you are happy with your ROM and you are not having any issues with it. Stick to it, this way you will have the peace of mind that your warranty is still in tact and you will not have to revert to reflashing to original stock without any risks.
Flashing on the other hand is fun and I feel the ROM cooks do a fantastic job of tweaking them so they work most efficiently. The chefs also remove programs that are not used that often which gives us more memory to install programs that we will actually use and the chefs also update to the newest builds for software which is dorment in the stock roms e.g. google maps,opera etc. If you update these on stock roms, it takes away valuable space due to the programs installed twice (you cannot usually replace the stock ROM versions and overwrite them with newer builds).
Naturally you will get issues cropping up with things going wrong and this is mainly due to the fact that the chefs use the newest builds before they are released officially so you can have a feel of new things that are put into them. I personally like to stick to one or two chefs and follow their progress, this way you will generally be ok as you will be aware of any minor problems and their fixes. If you flash many different ROMs with different chefs, you may encounter different problems with each of their ROMs and feel that ROM flashing seems to cause more problems than solutions.
I hope this clarifies some of your queries.
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I considered it, but I thought a vote makes it a little too black and white. I'd rather a more in depth discussion on the pros/cons
Adiction!!
There's nothing wrong with stock ROM's what a little tweaking can't solve.
and there wil always be problems and things that don't suite you in a cooked ROM.
Bud if you would try it once it wil become an adiction to find the newest and/or the fastest that suite your needs the best.
if you follow the guide's the change of bricking your phone are slim bud there is always the posebilety
I think it's one of the best things of my HTC and no risk no luck.
(bud don't listen to me because i'm an addict)
Well it took a while before I flashed a cooked rom into my phone. I use Artemis roms, and those are the only one I have tried yet - and I really do not think I will ever try another since most of them have silly and ugly mods baked in.... I like the newer 6.5.5 with bigger soft buttons and the "start" down on the left. But the most important thing is speed - with artemis, everything the phone can do, the phone does it faster running Artemis than Stock rom. Often _much_ faster. Starting Opera 10 for example takes roughly 2 secs with Artemis, 5-6secs with stock...
I started to flash custom ROMS because I got sick and tired waiting for HTC to solve my problem with data connection. I tried all sorts of official and unofficial tweaks and patches without success so I decided to take the risk with the flashing adventure.
After flashing a few ROMS from different chefs I eventually found THE ONE that solved my frustrating problem out of the box. Not only that but I was also very impressed by the performance and by the chef himself - always there, always wanting to improve, always fair and balanced. So I settled for it and it's the only ROM I flash to my phone.
I would also like to add that I prefer the close to stock philosopy because I want to do the customization myself. Even so, in my opinion custom ROMS have the following advantages compared to stock:
- you have many options to chose from
- they prove to be faster and more stable
- you have LIVE support from the chef and the other users
- you get updates much, much faster and more frequently (even if beta builds)
- you get all sorts of goodies cooked in the ROM (tweaks, apps, etc.)
- with the ROM I use you also get an app built by the chef himself to tweak the ROM to your likings
- it's rather fun to do it
just my 2 cents
I'm the same as the above poster. I got sick of waiting for my mobile operator to update the ROM (O2). I had SMS problems, data connection problems, freezong problems, the list goes on.
Then i turned into a frantic flasher..up to 5 times a day, looking for the latest and greatest. I was forever setting my phone up and it was taking over my life! I even tried cooking my own with pretty decent success.
I'm now more settled and gone for a ROM thats closer to stock with a few tweaks. It does what i want and pretty quickly too. Its a million miles away from the original phone i got back in early December, but that a good thing.
on a functional level much of the surface features that cooked roms offer could in theory be done with cabs and tweaks, but some things can only be cooked in.
also, cooking in a fix or tweak means it is there from the start, so when you hard reset it the system isn't needing to be patched, so the fix is more stable.(generaly)
on another level many of the chefs really do know a thing or two about building roms and can make them smaller faster and more stable than the stock releases.
I personally never flashed a device...I have to admit that with CHT1.7.1 things been running smoothy and perfectly. The idea of removing some applications on standard ROM sounds really great like footprint,shares,music sense...which i dont use.
As Sentinel196 says, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" , i guess i come from the same school in that sense.
by the way with all the cutomization available for CHT i find it really hard if people do not like their htc hd2
I do believe the HD2 is a very good compromise between 'works out of the box' and 'can tweak 'til the cows come home'. It's a modders dream but at the same time probably the only WinMobile device that I thought to myself "I might actually stick with a stock rom, it works"
Curiousity got the better of me... WITHIN HOURS... of getting the device. First off I noticed I was locked to Vodafone's stock rom (it was obviously a Vodafone customer selling on a new handset), I couldn't get the latest rom from HTC so HSPL'd it and flashed to stock 1.66. Good stuff, it was working fine for me.
Then I got curious again some days later and tried 6.5.5. I definitely prefered 6.5 to 6.5.5 and believe it feels much more 'balanced' on a device of this nature (giant screen, few hardware buttons) so decided I wanted to go back to 6.5 after some days of use. I remembered the stock rom did have a lot of 'junk' attached to it, despite operating blazing fast. I found CleanEX on here and from the description it sounded like a good compromise - the stock rom but with junk removed, more 'under the hood' tweaks added and all underlying software updated. Fantastic. I've been flashing to it 'til now and can't see me going anywhere else for the time being.
So yeah, the HD2 out of the box (for the most part, I realise some people have experienced bugs) is a decent device. However, coming here turns it into an AMAZING device capable of just about anything. Having the choice is fantastic. When people ask me about me about my HD2 Vs. the iPhone I can't help but be honest and state 'the iPhone just works', if you want the HD2 to fulfill its full potential you'll need to 'dedicate time to it and be one with your inner geek.'
For people stuck with locked down operator roms, the rom section on XDA is invaluable as it would seem o2 UK (my operator) have ONLY JUST upgraded their rom from the version people were using in Nov '09. Sorry, but that is ridiculous and no customer should have to wait that long for a device like this to have its bugs ironed out when people 'breaking the rules' can have it right off the bat with a bit of a learning curve. Just another reason why operator branded bull**** is a waste of everyone's time -- like movies being released in the US months/years before the UK in the 90s & til mid '00, it took file-sharing to fix that!
I also strongly believe if people are willing to come here and read the 'basic' threads & take a little time out, support here is absolutely second to none. Better than an RMA to HTC, better than your operators forums, just fantastic. This does however support the idea that the HD2 is somewhat another device kept alive by XDA-developers... which I'm sure will become more apparent in the future after WinPhone7 is released.
tl;dr - The HD2 is a HTC phone which, once again, benefits more than anything from the development, tweaks, mods, hacks, customizations and support given here.
Some excellent posts so far. Thanks everyone!! Looking forward to some more insight.
I'm certainly becoming more and more tempted to HSPL and flash a cooked ROM just to satisfy my inner nerd and curiosity!
Until a few weeks ago I was a stock ROM user. To be honest the stock rom was ok but just didnt seem very stable to me with resets a normal part of life. Having looked through the various ROM threads I decided to stick with a fairly stock cooked rom and chose Artemis.
After the first few days it was very apparent that this was the way forward. Artemis transformed my HD2 into what I believe the device should have been, stable and a joy to use.
I think before you can decide on a cooked ROM you need to decide on what you want a cooked ROM for. Is it for stability (in my case) or for added features such as extra tabs, preinstalled cabs etc.
I cant fault Artemis v11, is as stock as you can get with a cooked ROM and is fast, stable and very user friendly but I expect that others will have critism over this ROM against another, like I say there are many great chefs out there and its down to personal choice which is the best.
I love cooked ROMs. This is my first Win Mo device and I have to say when I first got it I was pretty disappointed(December last year). Was pretty damn buggy and slow! O2 UK didn't seem in any hurry to release any of the improved ROMs(not sure if they have even released an update now). I did the various tweaks that people have listed to improve the phone and was pretty pleased with the result. When HSPL came out I figured I would give a cooked ROM ago as if me a n00b doing a few tweaks could make my phone better imagine what pros could do! Flashed Duttys HG series and was blown away! Have been flashing them ever since (tried a few others but always come back to Duttys). It feels nice to have all the latest software bundled up and tweaked for me! Just about to flash from HG v2.5 (COM5) to HG v2.6 (COM5). Will be maybe the 20th time I have flashed my phone Gets better each time
Always cooked. Stock roms are always lacking something... cooked, especially with kitchens allow you to play around and have fun.
Now, regarding the future of cooked roms? that much is very very doubtful. I doubt we'll see many WinMo cooked roms after 2010.
I first had the default ROM 1.43 and everything was allmost OK with little glitches here and there (first of all the battery didn't last long) then I had the official 1.48 update wich I promptly applied and everything worked the same with little things improved (still terrible battery life) then after a couple of months of constants soft resets or taking out the battery for a reset I decided to try Miri's ROMS wich are great (I always prefered the close to stock) but still with battery problems until I learned I can upgrade the radio only without damaging the ROM wich I did and somewhat improved, but just a little, then I tried Dutty's wich are great roms (still close to stock and more stable at least the COM2 version) finally I decided a couple of days ago to give a try to EnergyROM which have additional software and I whent the GTX route, and I really love it, speccially since the battery is lasting me longer with the same radio update as my previous rom and with the lovelly GTX theme but some things like CHT seems to work better cooked in that installed separatedly, in my opinion I think you will have a lot of benefits using a custom ROM, but first use the original rom a couple of months to evaluate if your unit is functional (try everything: FM radio, GPS, light sensor, etc.) and then when you get to know your device try the custom rom of your choice and prepare to be amazed, once you go custom....
Good luck!
Maybe i am talking about the wrong thing here but i will say it. In the HD2 there is very little (if not nothing at all) noticeable difference between stock and custom Rom (except some registry modifications that you can do them with the stock rom as well). It is mainly in the addiction that cooking provides that you can see a difference. In the HTC Touch HD although the difference between stock and custom rom (mainly the Custom Roms that come from the HD2) is VERY VERY BIG. The last stock rom that HTC provide is 1 year old (7/4/2009) with 6.1 Windows, Black and White slider icons, Manila 1.XX etc. So in some cases i thing Custom Rom is more needed that the Stock Rom. But in the case of the ultra-fast HD2 i believe that the difference is much much smaller.
Wow - a front pager!
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I would also appreciate if any "If you don't like customising, why are you here?"
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I know this kind of a question is going to get people into "attack the n00b" mode really quickly, but i feel it is a legitimate question which could spark some insightful and intelligent discussion.
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I am the admin on another forum so I am not afraid or unfamiliar with flameage!
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Just thought I'd share in case you hadn't noticed; despite your concerns, you managed to make the 'front cover' of XDA-Devs!
http://www.xda-developers.com/
Next - Time Magazine?!
Good post, well deserved. Enjoying the conversation and Mass-Debating(!).
Hirshy
Hey guys,
does anyone have a stock rom of the latest winmo?
I've upgraded to the latest UK O2 Rom, 1.72 but I'd like the new UI with the larger buttons, i've started to get my claw of a hand round my HD2 but hitting small little buttons is a bit difficult. So if someone knows where there is a Stock Rom i'd be really appreciative.
Many Thanks,
Luke.
There is no 6.5.x stock ROM now....
HTC support has always sucked at providing the latest software for their handsets.
There is a WM6.5.X stock ROM...but it is not for Leo. I think you can stuck with just WM6.5 ROMs, unless you want to flash a kooked ROM, which is usually far better than a stock ROM.
personalment I think that the stock roms are better than any cooked rom, every single cooked rom that I've tried have some errors or bug and I have tried almost all vercions
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personalment I think that the stock roms are better than any cooked rom, every single cooked rom that I've tried have some errors or bug and I have tried almost all vercions
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very true... you sums up almost everything. the only addition to your comments is that the stock roms suck too... and there is virtually no moving behind after you try some of the cooked roms... unfortunately there is so many chefs but no one concentrate on developing a stable release.
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personalment I think that the stock roms are better than any cooked rom, every single cooked rom that I've tried have some errors or bug and I have tried almost all vercions
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Yeah, agreed. Cooked ROMs are fun to play around with, but in the long run my experience has been you get better stability and battery life from HTC's own ROMs. Some of the stuff from telcos like Vodafone and T-Mobile seems really bad, but the clean ROMs straight from HTC have been the best in my experience.
Sadly though, doesn't seem like HTC is doing anything on the HD2 anymore. Anyone ask them about the next ROM update and whether it might be 6.5.x? It's been basically four months since the last update... I really hope 6.5.x is being planned for the HD2. I never expected the HD2 to be upgradeable to WP7, but they have to give it 6.5.x at least especially since it doesn't look like HTC will have any other flagship WM devices until WP7.
younus_malik said:
very true... you sums up almost everything. the only addition to your comments is that the stock roms suck too... and there is virtually no moving behind after you try some of the cooked roms... unfortunately there is so many chefs but no one concentrate on developing a stable release.
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Actually they are all pretty stable, it is more likely the 20 incompatible apps you install and expect to work. Why not give feedback to the chefs about these issues.
Dont forget that to port an OS not designed for a particular device and also make work any OEM UI etc is no easy task, its never going to be perfect (and there's no such thing as perfect in any OS, UI, device) Even if there is a stock WM6.5.x the cooked ROMs will still far excell the stock ROM.
Personally I cook my own ROMs that way I can customize it just how I want, if you think you can do a better job than the other chefs by concentrating on stability then why not learn to cook yourself.
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personalment I think that the stock roms are better than any cooked rom, every single cooked rom that I've tried have some errors or bug and I have tried almost all vercions
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What a load of bollocks and what a useless thread, better closed MODs imo.
Yup mods are tons in Leo, and yet this thread is still open!?
Why would you close this thread? I know cooked ROMs are really popular, but is there something wrong with having a different opinion?
well I think that we have freedom of give our opinions about it, I respect what you say, but to me does not interest me if the cooked roms are 6.5 or 6.5.x , i dont care about how fast it is, or memory or consumption batery, if they are out of errors or bugs, i think that all roms are sufficiently fast.
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Actually they are all pretty stable, it is more likely the 20 incompatible apps you install and expect to work. Why not give feedback to the chefs about these issues.
Dont forget that to port an OS not designed for a particular device and also make work any OEM UI etc is no easy task, its never going to be perfect (and there's no such thing as perfect in any OS, UI, device) Even if there is a stock WM6.5.x the cooked ROMs will still far excell the stock ROM.
Personally I cook my own ROMs that way I can customize it just how I want, if you think you can do a better job than the other chefs by concentrating on stability then why not learn to cook yourself.
What a load of bollocks and what a useless thread, better closed MODs imo.
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hey, and i dnt knw if this is what you mean
but there is a clean win mo 6.5.3 rom out by l3v5y.
HOWEVER, it is a COOKED rom BUT comes in 3 "flavours"
there is a simple win mo 6.5.3 rom no sense ui...which is what i think your after
theres a lite and a full version (with htc sense)
i'd post the link but XDA is stopping me because im a new user
so try
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hpe it helps
i've tried almost all of the cooked roms and though there are some fantastic features above and beyond what you get from stock rom, there is allways a bug or 2 that dissappoint.
and no, i don't have 20 or so incompatible apps. in fact i don't install anything until i'm happy that the rom is stable enough (which it never is).
despite that, i have much respect for all the cooks! this place wouldn;t be here if it wasn't for them!!
shruff said:
Actually they are all pretty stable, it is more likely the 20 incompatible apps you install and expect to work. Why not give feedback to the chefs about these issues.
Dont forget that to port an OS not designed for a particular device and also make work any OEM UI etc is no easy task, its never going to be perfect (and there's no such thing as perfect in any OS, UI, device) Even if there is a stock WM6.5.x the cooked ROMs will still far excell the stock ROM.
Personally I cook my own ROMs that way I can customize it just how I want, if you think you can do a better job than the other chefs by concentrating on stability then why not learn to cook yourself.
What a load of bollocks and what a useless thread, better closed MODs imo.
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