i have searched and found several people claiming to have access to tmobile's HSPA+ ("4G") service with their HD2 running android.
can anyone confirm this? and if so, what are the steps i need to take to access the same network speeds?
malaeus said:
i have searched and found several people claiming to have access to tmobile's HSPA+ ("4G") service with their HD2 running android.
can anyone confirm this? and if so, what are the steps i need to take to access the same network speeds?
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You read my mind. I was wondering the same thing. I know that most of the towers where I live are already ready for 4G. So id like to know myself.
malaeus said:
i have searched and found several people claiming to have access to tmobile's HSPA+ ("4G") service with their HD2 running android.
can anyone confirm this? and if so, what are the steps i need to take to access the same network speeds?
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if u have "H" instead of 3G then... DUH
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if u have "H" instead of 3G then... DUH
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There is an H for "3.5G" and theres a H for "4G". So H doesnt mean 4G right now on our HD2s.
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In that case, DAMN! I have an EVO 4G!! FTW
H on your HD2 doesn't exploit the full benefits of HSPA+... It is better than 3G but not full board HSPA+. The HD2 will never be fully compatible with HSPA+.But our version of HSPA is still a heck of alot faster than 3G, especially upload speed wise. I believe the first T-Mobile phone to be fully compatible with HSPA+ speeds is the G2.
As I understand it, T-Mobile's "4G" is HSPA+ which is considered by many to be 3.5G in technicalities but it is actually faster than Sprints WiMax 4G technology.
T-Mobile only recently started calling it 4G, I kinda wish they wouldnt because I thought it was cool to have 3G that was better than 4G but I cant say that I blame them for doing it from a marketing standpoint because it will attract attention from uninformed comparison shoppers.
And as I understand it, the HD2 hardware supports the fastest speeds T-Mobile can supply so I'm sure that if there is any tweaking that can be done to the kernel to make Android support it then the Devs will take care of it.
The H in the notification bar actually means HSDPA (High Speed Downlink Packet Access) or basically 3.5G or Turbo 3G, more info here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSDPA
HSPA+ (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSPA%2B) as I'm aware isn't available in a huge amount of places yet, and I'm not even sure if the HD2 supports it? Would appreciate clarification on the either way.
Does anyone know when UK rollout of HSPA+ is happening?
(I can't post links yet, but you know what to do with the wiki links above)
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And as I understand it, the HD2 hardware supports the fastest speeds T-Mobile can supply so I'm sure that if there is any tweaking that can be done to the kernel to make Android support it then the Devs will take care of it.
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This is true. The HD2 can support all the speeds, that t-mobile can supply at the moment. But, 4th generation is different than HSDPA.( 3.5g) although it may be as fast or faster, its a different technology if im not mistaken. I cant remember where i read that.
But yes, if you can see the "H" instead of the 3G, you are taking hold of the HSDPA network speeds. "H" is the new 3G.
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The H in the notification bar actually means HSDPA (High Speed Downlink Packet Access) or basically 3.5G or Turbo 3G, more info here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSDPA
HSPA+ (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSPA%2B) as I'm aware isn't available in a huge amount of places yet, and I'm not even sure if the HD2 supports it? Would appreciate clarification on the either way.
Does anyone know when UK rollout of HSPA+ is happening?
(I can't post links yet, but you know what to do with the wiki links above)
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From what I understand, most of the United States will have HSPA+ by the end of the year. They have already announced the rollout here in Southern California. All 3G T-Mobile phones automatically support HSPA+ and the HD2 supports speeds up to 56Mbps.
Here is a post about the rollout.
http://androidontmobilehd2.wordpres...hspa-goes-live-with-21mbps-theoretical-speed/
Here's a post showing 4+ Megabit and I think I've seen one that is 5+ or even 6+.
http://androidontmobilehd2.wordpress.com/2010/09/04/more-testing-shows-t-mobile-superior/
with one of the sense builds i hit about 5Mbps...
I just did a speed test and it was 11mbps...
I think there needs to be some clarifcation on this. HSPA+ is NOT true 4G. speeds on HSPA+ are potentially faster than 3G or HSDPA but not comparable to true 4G.
LTE 4G is about 64Mb/sec (but can be up to 100Mb/sec)
WiMax enabled 4G is 128Mb/sec.
The HD2 supports NEITHER of these as the hardware does not exist in the phone itself.
i have had it in my area, and i can say it is damn fast! way faster then 3g. you tube videos are almost instant in winmo. i havnt found android to be stable for more than a day before it locks up, so i dont use it much, but in the miri v22 rom the internet is blazingly fast...except up the hill at my girlfriends house, im lucky to get EDGE up there. im in southern california about 30 miles north of LA. i had been wondering what the H was for a few days when i got a text from t-mo telling me that they had just activated 4G in our area, and that some phones (like the HD2) were already compatable. i would quote the text exactly, but i have flashed since then.
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From what I understand, most of the United States will have HSPA+ by the end of the year. They have already announced the rollout here in Southern California. All 3G T-Mobile phones automatically support HSPA+ and the HD2 supports speeds up to 56Mbps.
Here is a post about the rollout.
http://androidontmobilehd2.wordpres...hspa-goes-live-with-21mbps-theoretical-speed/
Here's a post showing 4+ Megabit and I think I've seen one that is 5+ or even 6+.
http://androidontmobilehd2.wordpress.com/2010/09/04/more-testing-shows-t-mobile-superior/
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This dudes about as right as it gets. HSPA+ rollout will increase the data speeds of all current 3G phones on Tmobile. Not meaning you will get the FULL benefit of HSPA+ though, it'll just be faster than HSDPA. Phones such as the G2 will have the ability to take full advantage of HSPA+ due to additional hardware\software or whatever. Believe me, I'm in the Austin area and you can tell the difference and if you run mobile speedtest weirdly enough your speeds will increase as you run higher test. But, I've gotten 6-8 mbps easily with various test and if I go up to the 2mb and above the speeds starting showing 11 mbps and up, which I don't believe though. Could be though.
Here is info about it right on t-mobiles website http://t-mobile-coverage.t-mobile.com/#
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This dudes about as right as it gets. HSPA+ rollout will increase the data speeds of all current 3G phones on Tmobile. Not meaning you will get the FULL benefit of HSPA+ though, it'll just be faster than HSDPA. Phones such as the G2 will have the ability to take full advantage of HSPA+ due to additional hardware\software or whatever. Believe me, I'm in the Austin area and you can tell the difference and if you run mobile speedtest weirdly enough your speeds will increase as you run higher test. But, I've gotten 6-8 mbps easily with various test and if I go up to the 2mb and above the speeds starting showing 11 mbps and up, which I don't believe though. Could be though.
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Yeah, he was nowhere close to being correct. NO current tmobile phone except for the G2 is HSPA+ compatible. The HD2 is a HSDPA and the 'H' on your screens means that you are connected to HSDPA which theoretically supports up to 7.2 Mbps as opposed to original 3G which was just 3.6 Mbps. Yes, if you are in an area that is upgraded to HSPA+ you will see an increase in speeds because the infrastructure has been upgraded to support higher speeds, but your phone will NEVER support HSPA+ and will thus never reach speeds above 7.2 Mbps. Which brings me to my next point below .....
djflmmbl said:
I just did a speed test and it was 11mbps...
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You are a f%$king idiot. Turn off wifi. Your HD2 will not connect at 11 Mbps on a cellular network.
I am not sure if this is on WiFi or regular 3G or H mode.
On my phone the WiFi is turned off, but I am not sure if the ROM has the WiFI build in it .
But it clearly shows on Androit it is lighting fast.
I was curious and then tested it againts a PC, and the HD2 was way faster to execute the tests.
What do you guys think about speed. Is T-Mobile capable of it?
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From what I understand, most of the United States will have HSPA+ by the end of the year. They have already announced the rollout here in Southern California. All 3G T-Mobile phones automatically support HSPA+ and the HD2 supports speeds up to 56Mbps.
Here is a post about the rollout.
http://androidontmobilehd2.wordpres...hspa-goes-live-with-21mbps-theoretical-speed/
Here's a post showing 4+ Megabit and I think I've seen one that is 5+ or even 6+.
http://androidontmobilehd2.wordpress.com/2010/09/04/more-testing-shows-t-mobile-superior/
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Is the upgrade in Southern Cali currently affecting data connections now? I'm having issues with consistent data connections on both Android and Windows Mobile, and the Windows Mobile I just noticed today!
so, can anyone confirm HSPA+ speeds on the hd2? HSDPA speeds are nice (PPP) much better than HSPA/HSUPA. just wondered if i could get even better, more reliable connections.
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Holy crap, I knew Tmobile was starting to roll out HSPA+ in this area, Long Island, New York, but I didn't actually think it would be already available
This is what I got today sharing the phone's data through the Wi-Fi Router application to my laptop!
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And your phone isn't even HSPA+ compatible, just 7.2.
I get about the same here. The HSPA+ stuff is supposed to be a bit faster.
Will our phone be HPSA compatible?
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Will our phone be HPSA compatible?
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They are "HSPA 7.2" compatible (which has already been available for a few months). They are not HSPA+ compatible (which is what's just now being rolled out in NY and other markets gradually).
However, as many users in NY are seeing, the HSPA+ turnup adds backend capability that ends up helping out the current HSPA 7.2 users reach the full potential of their connections too.
anyone in
Newjersey? im in nj never not once seen a H or anything and my fone is always in my hand, and i know i enabled it but i dont think i did after the 2.13 upgrade anyone in nj get any hspda?
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Newjersey? im in nj never not once seen a H or anything and my fone is always in my hand, and i know i enabled it but i dont think i did after the 2.13 upgrade anyone in nj get any hspda?
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You won't see the "H" icon if you just have the stock icons on your taskbar up top...you'll need to install a custom set of taskbar icons before it will appear for you.
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You won't see the "H" icon if you just have the stock icons on your taskbar up top...you'll need to install a custom set of taskbar icons before it will appear for you.
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and how do we know if we're getting the HSPA if we're just using the stock rom? is there other way besides installing the custom taskbar?
booo!
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and how do we know if we're getting the HSPA if we're just using the stock rom? is there other way besides installing the custom taskbar?
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word yooo? i mean my coverage is great i just wanna know if i get what im payin for hahah cuz im in i guess metro nj like 10 mins from nyc and near all types of cell towers 07011
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and how do we know if we're getting the HSPA if we're just using the stock rom? is there other way besides installing the custom taskbar?
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word yooo? i mean my coverage is great i just wanna know if i get what im payin for hahah cuz im in i guess metro nj like 10 mins from nyc and near all types of cell towers 07011
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word. yes that's a good question...
I'm gonna see if the euro HD2 displays the stock "H" icon...if so then it should be easy to track down where it gets called up and recreate that in the US model.
Most people DON'T see anything CLOSE to 5.79Mb/s down.
The "H" icon in custom ROMs comes up erroneously. (Search, that's in plenty of old discussions in the ROM forum. I see the H daily although it's not here in Chattanooga, TN.) You can't count on the "H" in custom ROMs and you wont' see an "H" in the stock ROM. Speed testing is the only method of really knowing.
The only reliable test is tethering to a laptop or using it as a WiFi router to a laptop and doing a speed test from the laptop. Then you'll know how much your HD2 is pulling in your area, but trying to test on the HD2 its self won't give reliable numbers.
We can only get 7.2 from what I've read, but people in areas with HSPA+ are getting way closer to that 7.2 than people in any other areas. I'm seeing about 1.6Mb/s down. I'm excited about HSPA+ rollout, it gets us in good competition with Sprint 4G speeds. And reports are that the EVO is only showing the low end of those Sprint 4G speeds. So with HSPA+ we may very well be doing better than the EVO on Sprint 4G!
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Most people DON'T see anything CLOSE to 5.79Mb/s down.
The "H" icon in custom ROMs comes up erroneously. (Search, that's in plenty of old discussions in the ROM forum. I see the H daily although it's not here in Chattanooga, TN.) You can't count on the "H" in custom ROMs and you wont' see an "H" in the stock ROM. Speed testing is the only method of really knowing.
The only reliable test is tethering to a laptop or using it as a WiFi router to a laptop and doing a speed test from the laptop. Then you'll know how much your HD2 is pulling in your area, but trying to test on the HD2 its self won't give reliable numbers.
We can only get 7.2 from what I've read, but people in areas with HSPA+ are getting way closer to that 7.2 than people in any other areas. I'm seeing about 1.6Mb/s down. I'm excited about HSPA+ rollout, it gets us in good competition with Sprint 4G speeds. And reports are that the EVO is only showing the low end of those Sprint 4G speeds. So with HSPA+ we may very well be doing better than the EVO on Sprint 4G!
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Thanks for the info Darnell, I didn't know the custom icon sets were displaying it incorrectly. What's funny is that some sets even show me a "3G+" icon on rare occasion.
I have to agree that a hard-wired test using a laptop is the best way to show how much you can shove down your phone's pipe. I find though that testing from the phone may give a more accurate indication of what your real-world effective speed will be in on-board apps.
I do feel confident too that once more of us are enjoying what these network upgrades can provide on our HD2's, we'll actually enjoy getting asked "Hey, is that an EVO??"
"No. This is faster"
just for the record 7.2 is not all we can get.
as sir has been advising me on the other thread similar to this one.
i have gotten 8.5mbps using hd2 in nyc,ny so either the hd2 is capable of hspa+ or theres isnt cap or block at 7.2
i must say great news ither way. im coming from sprint w touch pro, to a hd2 and do not regret leaving even with Evo coming one bit. T mobile has suprised me with there upgrade over previous years.
edit* i just did this one more time after posting, tethered to mac book pro and got this on a 7mb test.
Your speed: 9003.215 Kbps
Your latency: 0.307 seconds
Transferred 7000 KB in 6.22 seconds
Share your results with everyone!
28.8 kbps dial-up
33.6 kbps dial-up
40 kbps GPRS
56 kbps dial-up
128 kbps ISDN
144 kbps 1xRTT
236.8 kbps EDGE
384 kbps Low DSL
400 kbps 3G ( EVDO / HSDPA )
768 kbps Broadband
1000 kbps Fast 3G
1500 kbps Basic DSL
9003 kbps YOU
im in Soho nyc.. anyone else near me that can test as wel?
Actually the phones displaying H on a custom rom is 100% right, the network is all HSPA regardless of speed right now.
9000Kbps is impossible with a device only capable of maybe 7400Kbps, max. You need to use a different method because mobilespeedtest.com is not accurate. Use speedtest.net
Darnell_Chat_TN said:
Most people DON'T see anything CLOSE to 5.79Mb/s down.
The "H" icon in custom ROMs comes up erroneously. (Search, that's in plenty of old discussions in the ROM forum. I see the H daily although it's not here in Chattanooga, TN.) You can't count on the "H" in custom ROMs and you wont' see an "H" in the stock ROM. Speed testing is the only method of really knowing.
The only reliable test is tethering to a laptop or using it as a WiFi router to a laptop and doing a speed test from the laptop. Then you'll know how much your HD2 is pulling in your area, but trying to test on the HD2 its self won't give reliable numbers.
We can only get 7.2 from what I've read, but people in areas with HSPA+ are getting way closer to that 7.2 than people in any other areas. I'm seeing about 1.6Mb/s down. I'm excited about HSPA+ rollout, it gets us in good competition with Sprint 4G speeds. And reports are that the EVO is only showing the low end of those Sprint 4G speeds. So with HSPA+ we may very well be doing better than the EVO on Sprint 4G!
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And on top of Sprint's so-called 4G network. They rely on Clear and their WiMax Network. Without Clear, Sprint's 4G network would be non-existent.
This is what i am getting with my phone tetherd with usb on my desktop. I am in brooklyn, ny. and i am happy as hell
Just for comparison this is what i get from my home cable connection.
a few years ago 10/1 was my home connection, now i get that on my phone. sprint 4g, WHAT? they should have just gone EvDo Rev B cheaper and faster than there so called 4g
man...
i cant wait to get my hd2 rockin..
these speeds got me feelin goooood...
Here, south of Indianapolis, got 250-310 data transfer yesterday with the Wi-fi
router option and Firefox browser. After being with 70-110 max I was really
amazed. This was indoors and with an average 2-3 bars H signal strength.
Can't wait for further improvements.
Maybe the HD2 has 10Mbps HSPA? That would explain the speed. The specs say otherwise but..
300Kb/s is good.. real good. Especailly when you consider that this network is being utilized by everyone with a 3G phone/smartphone. Sprint "4G" shows off really fast speed but when people actually start to get on the network it's far less impressive.. 3Mbps before the HTC Evo puts it's HD streaming load on the network.
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Newjersey? im in nj never not once seen a H or anything and my fone is always in my hand, and i know i enabled it but i dont think i did after the 2.13 upgrade anyone in nj get any hspda?
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I live in NJ too... Morganville (Marlboro area) and HSPA is all over here
Edison and princeton areas not so much tho...
ericm115 said:
This is what i am getting with my phone tetherd with usb on my desktop. I am in brooklyn, ny. and i am happy as hell
Just for comparison this is what i get from my home cable connection.
a few years ago 10/1 was my home connection, now i get that on my phone. sprint 4g, WHAT? they should have just gone EvDo Rev B cheaper and faster than there so called 4g
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Something doesn't seem right, I'm pretty positive the HD2 is not capable of 7.2mbps+
So according to Phonscoop.com Tmobile offically launched HSPA+. Apparently its in 50 markets.
So whoes got it? What kind of speeds are you getting. I have in my city.
Im getting 2.025mb/s Down and 601kbps/sec up
about 3 to 6mbps because you most likely have a device that can only do 7.2 megabites per second until a hspa+ device is available at the end of this summer. Max theoretical speed should be 21mbps, but thats going to be next year when tmobile lets the 42mbps network go into place.
My speed test says im getting 5007 download and 1583 upload..Not bad. It used to stay around 3500 DL.
The slide will support higher than 7.5 MB correct?
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The way I understand it; the slide will be limited tp 7.2mbps spped. They have to install a hatdware upgrade to the towers to support HSPA+ at 42mbps and that will require a different radio.
I know its not the same; but think of it like sprint. You need a 4G phone (EVO) to get WiMax 4G network service.
If I'm wrong; someone pleae correct me (but politely).
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GeekBrat said:
The way I understand it; the slide will be limited tp 7.2mbps spped. They have to install a hatdware upgrade to the towers to support HSPA+ at 42mbps..
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I genuinely hope you are because I explicitly asked the rep if this phone would support the new HSPA+ and of course the response was "Yes"!
You cannot compare Sprint because they went from 3G to 4G and that required a change in hardware both at the towers and the device. Tmobile HSPA+, from what I researched, only requires hardware upgrades on the towers and firmware updates to the newer 3G devices. I would be highly pissed if this isn't the case!
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The rep told me too that the Slide would support HSPA+ From all the articals though i do not think this is 100% ture. But 7.2mb/s is fast enough for me on a phone.
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The rep told me too that the Slide would support HSPA+ From all the articals though i do not think this is 100% ture. But 7.2mb/s is fast enough for me on a phone.
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Sounds like we spoke to the same rep!
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Sounds like we spoke to the same rep!
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i also asked tech support from the 1800 number too. They said the slide would support it up to 15mb/sec. We'll have to see. Right now i am happy with my 2+mb/sec speeds
The way I've understood it is that phones like the Slide will see improvements in speed, but since they are not HSPA+ phones, you won't get the full benefit.
The plus side is that you won't need a new phone and you'll see faster speeds. Downside is that people with a new phone will see faster speeds.
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The way I've understood it is that phones like the Slide will see improvements in speed, but since they are not HSPA+ phones, you won't get the full benefit.
The plus side is that you won't need a new phone and you'll see faster speeds. Downside is that people with a new phone will see faster speeds.
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I think you are right on this.
But if i get speeds of 5-7mb/s on my phone i will be more then happy. Esp if im already happy with my 2mb+/s speeds.
I really dont think that anyone needs 15mb/s on a phone. With speeds like that the phone then becomes the bottleneck.
The T-Mobile twitter also told me it was an HSPA+ phone...
All I'm saying is that I don't expect the full HSPA+ speed, but I do expect faster than 7.2 Mbs!
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is hspa+ like wimax or lte (4g)
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is hspa+ like wimax or lte (4g)
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In respect to increased speeds, yes but that is it. HSPA+ utilizes the current Tmobile's 3G network and is really fast. Theoretically the top speed is less then the other two but it is significantly cheaper and easier to rollout HSPA+.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSPA+
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Location: Eden Prairie, MN (41.99900, -87.82200)
All I get in my town is Edge
At home I pretty much barely get any signal so I end up using WIFI alot.
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Location: Eden Prairie, MN (41.99900, -87.82200)
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bits, not bytes. 8 megabits per second = 1 megabyte per second if I'm not mistaken.
HSPA+ as an extension of HSPA is backward compatible with HSPA. Only HSPA+ devices will see speeds greater than 7.2mb, but you can use a HSPA phone on an HSPA+ network in the same way you can use an edge phone on a 3g network.
All android devices from T-Mobile have an HSPA internal modem, they don't currently sell a phone with an HSPA+ modem and you will not see speeds exceeding 7.2mb on a slide as it has an HSPA modem.
T-mobile is rumored to be announcing their first HSPA+ phone late this summer, suspected to be an HTC vanguard.
Interesting... I was reading this article (http://androidandme.com/2010/07/car...ons-why-t-mobile-3g-is-better-than-sprint-4g/) that speculates that Sprint will have the slowest speeds by the end of 2011.
Of course, the primary purpose of the article is to pit T-Mobile's 3G against Sprint's 4G... but also goes on to talk about AT&T and Verizon. I'll summarize what I gathered in the article.
Sprint's "4G" WiMax speeds have a theoretical limit of 11 Mpbs. I've personally been able to hit 3 Mbps. Some people on T-Mobile's 3G HSPA+ can apparently hit 5 Mbps with a theoretical limit of 21 Mbps.
AT&T will also upgrade to HSPA+, but with a theoretical limit of 14.4 Mbps (still faster than Sprint). The article specualtes that Verizon will have the fastest 4G available, but not until a year from now.
Do you think Sprint will up their game? Is that even possible? Did I choose the wrong carrier when I went with the EVO?
In two years switch to the fastest network. Why worry about it now...and really are you going to have same phone in two years?
Alot can happen between now and the end of next year. I believe you made a good choice being that Evo is a kickass phone and Sprint has the best plans and service (imo). This article may very well be accurate or not so, either way I give credit to Sprint for pushing pretty hard to get 4G to out as fast as they did even if is not as fast as they make it to be. Anyways...the Evo will be old by the end of next year regardless so you can choose again I think sprint will adjust accordingly to the market when that time comes.
Unfortunately this article falls short in a number of ways:
Sprint's current WiMax standard (802.16e) has a max theoretical downspeed of 144Mb/s. 802.16m, the future revision of WiMax has a theoretical max of 1Gb/s.
HSPA+'s current max speed is 56Mb/s, and the future revision max is 168Mb/s.
Nobody's network right now is even close to those speeds. Sprint has a head start, and the existing infrastructure to build off of in terms of subscribers and towers.
T-Mobile has Deutsch Telekom's money to build off of, but their existing 3G coverage is grossly lacking.
Granted both parties are trying to build as much as possible, but in the end I'll stick with Sprint.
Your call.
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WIKI reports WiMAX has a theoretical limit of 40 Mbit/s?
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WIKI reports WiMAX has a theoretical limit of 40 Mbit/s?
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Let's just keep in mind that that these are theoretical maximum transfer rates possible under ideal conditions. Once you take into account the real world signal conditions, tower loading, and backhaul capacity it's a completely different ballgame.
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Let's just keep in mind that that these are theoretical maximum transfer rates possible under ideal conditions. Once you take into account the real world signal conditions, tower loading, and backhaul capacity it's a completely different ballgame.
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Your totally right. Think about it Wireless N has a theoretical speed of 300mbps, but for the most part you'd be lucky to get a transfer speed over 180mbps (at least in my case, some might get a little higher) because this is theoretical and could someday reach that potential. The same goes for 4g. Everyone has their own speeds and systems but in the end its just a matter of who has better coverage. At&t and t-mobile might have "more bars in more spaces", but in my experience sprint and verizon have far superior data networks and I don't think thats going to end anytime soon. So for me I'll stick with Sprint.
For me the important thing is Sprint has the fastest speed RIGHT NOW. I live in Seattle and average 3-5 with 4G (recently got a lot better). A year or two from now I may move somewhere else but for now my friends look on enviously.
moonpie28 said:
For me the important thing is Sprint has the fastest speed RIGHT NOW. I live in Seattle and average 3-5 with 4G (recently got a lot better). A year or two from now I may move somewhere else but for now my friends look on enviously.
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Agreed. Besides, to me the most important thing right now is how long sprint's going to keep the unlimited data option. Who knows,in two years with everyone capping data, might as well go to the provider who's gonna fill the bucket fastest. Who exactly is going to be the fastest? That's anyones guess right now, but it doesn't really matter because alot can change in two years.
based on my experience, AT&T's 3G performance (latency aside) with an HSUPA-enabled device is excellent and trumps Sprint's 3G by far. I constantly pull 3.5 mbit/s down, 1.6mbit/s up on my phone, which is comparable or perhaps a slight tick below Sprint's WiMax performance levels.
N1 users on Tmo raped us in speed tests still.. so sprint is still slow.. I get usually 2-3mb down most of the time, N1 users are boastin 5-10mb+ down on tmo 3g.. =\
I average 3-5Mgs here in Chicago on 4G
Stupid argument since Sprint/Clearwire is switching to 802.16e Enhanced by the end of the year, with a software update and a few hardware changes. Research the stats for it, and then see if you agree with that post.
Sprint will be using LTE, one way or another. They've already contacted suppliers a few months ago.
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Heh. This is why I posted this thread. Just about everyone is more informed than I am. I love my EVO but everyone was looking at me like I was crazy when switching to Sprint.
I'm mostly concerned because I do find Sprint's current 3G-4G offerings to be pretty slow... and my reception isn't as good as my Fiance's who is on AT&T. She points that out all the time...
I'd prefer to have a balance between good reception and good internet speeds. These are phones, after all
If you stick with a smartphone long enough, you'll realize that at the beginning of the year one carrier might be dominant, but by the end of the year the title has changed.
Stick with what you've got (unless your on Cricket ), and you'll be alright.
~Jasecloud4
It also comes down to unlimited data vs limited data. The other guys are all changing their data plans (tmobile and sprint aside).
What its the point if slightly faster speed if you can only use it half the month because of data caps.
I'm happy with mine. I got this speed while using wifi tether on my laptop
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I was thinking about this yesterday while stuck in the car streaming Pandora. I am glad I don't have to worry about how my music I stream for fear of running out of data.
The Everything Plan is what will keep me on Sprint, even if they are a bit slower.
The compression and technologies (html5, silverlight) are going to provide better performance streaming with less throughput. So are you really ever going to need more than 3-5mb on your phone? You arn't going to hit many sources that can provide you data faster than you can download.
(I can see needing more if you are tethering multiple devices)
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/22/sprint-clears-35mhz-of-spectrum-for-future-use-wonders-if-its/
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Alot can happen between now and the end of next year. I believe you made a good choice being that Evo is a kickass phone and Sprint has the best plans and service (imo). This article may very well be accurate or not so, either way I give credit to Sprint for pushing pretty hard to get 4G to out as fast as they did even if is not as fast as they make it to be. Anyways...the Evo will be old by the end of next year regardless so you can choose again I think sprint will adjust accordingly to the market when that time comes.
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I just worry that their speedy push to 4g is going to leave there 3g network in the dust. Let's face it there are still plenty of places that do not have even a 3g network, at least in my state there is. If someplace doesn't even have access to 3g there is no way they are going to get 4g.
So I was reading a news article that said that t-mobile would be doubling the speed of hspa+ every year(or was it every two years?) Would the boost allow us to get faster speeds(past 14mb) or just help the phone get to 14mb like what hspa+ does for non hspa+ phones example being the vibrant getting speeds close to hspa 7.2?
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You won't see the G2 benefit that much since the hardware only supports up to 14 mbps. You may see the latency drop though with T-Mobile increasing the speeds of their network.
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It would allow us to utilize the full potential of the current max speed but unless the chip we have supports faster than 21.1Mbps or hspa++ then that's the best we could get and would need to upgrade to a different phone to go any faster. 21.1 Mbps is by no means slow though, so I wouldn't see a need to go faster other than simply because we can. That's just over 2.6 MBps by the way and the average cable internet is 15-25Mbps (1.875 - 3.125MBps), plenty fast for most of us.
By the way, it's 21.1 for 4G according to T Mobile, 14Mbps is *just* fast 3G which I was able to get on my slide, though I never saw those speeds. UMTS is 3G, HSPA is fast 3G and HSPA+ is 4G. Or that's how I've always understood it.
Yup our network, the way the cores are built are actually capable of (theoretical) speeds of over 100mbps I don't think we will ever push it that far, but as soon as we can support the output it will be updated. However most phones can only support up to 14 mbps so the next update will be the only one that matters for a while. I'm sure as you know we will try to expand the curent 4g network as much as we can befor we will up the juice. In the next upcoming year you will see a new line of phones come out with some pretty impressive stats to go along with the update.
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It would allow us to utilize the full potential of the current max speed but unless the chip we have supports faster than 21.1Mbps or hspa++ then that's the best we could get and would need to upgrade to a different phone to go any faster. 21.1 Mbps is by no means slow though, so I wouldn't see a need to go faster other than simply because we can. That's just over 2.6 MBps by the way and the average cable internet is 15-25Mbps (1.875 - 3.125MBps), plenty fast for most of us.
By the way, it's 21.1 for 4G according to T Mobile, 14Mbps is *just* fast 3G which I was able to get on my slide, though I never saw those speeds. UMTS is 3G, HSPA is fast 3G and HSPA+ is 4G. Or that's how I've always understood it.
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HSPA+ is still 3G.
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HSPA+ is still 3G.
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HSPA+ is most definitely 4G. Are you living in a box? Stop feeding into hype and do some research. HSPA+ is just as 4G as WiMAX and LTE.
http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx
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HSPA+ is still 3G.
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Sure, according to the 4G standards released a short while back - no phone carrier even comes close to 4G and won't for a very long time. 100Mbps is just insane, that's 12.5 MBps which far exceeds any persons needs on a cell phone and even for home/business usage. Maybe if you're trying to run a data center from your G2 it would be useful.
From a marketing standpoint, 21.1 is 4G - it's the next step up (and the fastest). After that is HSPA++ at 48Mbps, still not even close to the PC 4G definition but what do we care - it's fast as hell!
True either way were still getting faster speeds! I think I'm gonna stick to my g2 for awhile then. My speeds are already fast and constant.
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HSPA+ is most definitely 4G. Are you living in a box? Stop feeding into hype and do some research. HSPA+ is just as 4G as WiMAX and LTE.
http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx
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Technically hspa is not real 4g, but what people really care about from 4g is speed, hspa is proven as fast and in the majority of tests prove it to be faster than any current 4g network so I'm not sure why people have the need to point this out. Some people just need to nit pick everything. And yes 100 mbps isn't realistic for phones however for some applications like web connect sticks or new devices like galaxy tabs online gaming from everywhere will be a real posibilty. 100 mbps would be peak real average speeds would be more like 60 mbps still crazy fast. All in all don't expect anything like this anytime soon.
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What speeds do you guys get in your city? Ive never seen anyone close to 14mbps. I get about 3-4mbps in houston.
I live in saginaw,texas 5 miles away from downtown fort worth. I average around 5-6 mbs normally. I get great signal as the tower is down the road from me. My phone recently just got the hspa+( my phone had a bug that would only allow it to connect to 3g). And I was getting 2mb and down. Is your phone rooted with sense by any chance?
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HSPA+ is most definitely 4G. Are you living in a box? Stop feeding into hype and do some research. HSPA+ is just as 4G as WiMAX and LTE.
http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx
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Sorry, HSPA+ is most definitely not 4G. It's no more 4G than EDGE was 3G. It's still using 3G technology.
In that press release, LTE-Advanced is proper 4G, as it refers to. I can't see anything there saying that HSPA+ is 4G.
Edit - ok, I take all that back. Looks like the ITU have done a U-turn and decided that because so many companies started calling HSPA+ 4G, to make that a legal definition. Sounds bizarre to me :facepalm:
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/12/18/itu-reverses-its-decision-lte-wimax-and-hspa-are-now-4g/
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Sorry, HSPA+ is most definitely not 4G. It's no more 4G than EDGE was 3G. It's still using 3G technology.
In that press release, LTE-Advanced is proper 4G, as it refers to. I can't see anything there saying that HSPA+ is 4G.
Edit - ok, I take all that back. Looks like the ITU have done a U-turn and decided that because so many companies started calling HSPA+ 4G, to make that a legal definition. Sounds bizarre to me :facepalm:
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/12/18/itu-reverses-its-decision-lte-wimax-and-hspa-are-now-4g/
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Hehe that's why I gave my source so I didn't sound like a *complete* idiot
It used to be that 4g was 100mbps but the itu downgraded the classification so now technically vzw lte, sprint wimax, and tmob hspa+ can all be classified as 4g. With that said, most tmob customers are still seeing threshold speeds of like 3 or 4 mbps and at most 6 or 7mbps. Vzw lte speeds under ideal conditions aren't much better - maybe 12 - 14mbps from what I have heard (but prob more widespread and no 2mbps speeds being billed as 4g). I believe under ideal conditions and current tech, wimax produces the fastest real world speeds but vzw and tmob should be catching up soon.
However, with an hspa+ capable radio the g2 (if you hang onto it for another year or two) should see full hspa+ speeds and I guess its technically capable of anything that radio spectrum can push out with firmware/radio software updates.
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lol @ people who didn't realize ITU updated their definition of 4G - I actually think that the 3GPP considers EDGE to be a "3G technology" in some regards - don't ask.
Regardless, in 2011 TMO is going to be rolling out HSPA+ 42 - that should merit a speed increase slightly on HSPA+ enabled devices and most certainly a latency drop.
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What speeds do you guys get in your city? Ive never seen anyone close to 14mbps. I get about 3-4mbps in houston.
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lol @ people who didn't realize ITU updated their definition of 4G - I actually think that the 3GPP considers EDGE to be a "3G technology" in some regards - don't ask.
Regardless, in 2011 TMO is going to be rolling out HSPA+ 42 - that should merit a speed increase slightly on HSPA+ enabled devices and most certainly a latency drop.
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yupp.. then after HSPA+ (21, 42, 84, 168 mbps) is LTHE (Long Term HSPA Evolution [336-672mbps])
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/12/forget-hspa-and-lte-lthe-is-the-way-to-go/
http://www.nokiasiemensnetworks.com...HSPA_evolution_white_paper_low_res_141220.pdf
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holy **** nice.
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Yeah T-Mo in the Seattle area is the ish. My sig is at my house with only 3 bars of reception...
The terms "3G" and "4G" are worthless. All that really matters is what the actually speed of the network is. It is ridiculous to argue over what is or what isn't 4G.
Many of us saw the abysmal wireless speeds posted in the Engadget review.
I have performed some additional research and I believe ATT disables HSUPA (the faster upload connection) on all phones except the iPhone. This obviously also affect download speeds as the TCP responses are slowed down.
http://emuneee.com/2011/02/is-att-disabling-hsupa-on-its-4g-devices/
I know everyone has asked 88 Million questions about the encrypted bootloader, and we really won't have an answer until the phone is released.
However, my question is, can the HSUPA limitation be removed such as by flashing a new modem.bin? Perhaps using the modem firmware from the international version?
When I read "I believe ATT disables HSUPA (the faster upload connection) on all phones except the iPhone" I thought about it for a second and did a speedtest on my Captivate.
I have full bars in my house, on HSPA.
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Upload speeds faster than download speeds? WTF?
Here's Engadget's speedtests on an iPhone 4 on AT&T. (On the right)
Obviously something is a little off.
Cool, well I hope it isn't an issue then.
I searched for more reports and it looks like this may have been initially reported because of an error in AT&T's network?? But may have been fixed around August 2010?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=745039
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572628
Plus there was this whole mess on another forum:
http://androidforums.com/samsung-captivate/137436-how-enable-hsupa-captivate.html
Based on your results it looks like this may not be an issue and I may just be creating rumors. I guess I should be patient and just wait for the release day.
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When I read "I believe ATT disables HSUPA (the faster upload connection) on all phones except the iPhone" I thought about it for a second and did a speedtest on my Captivate.
I have full bars in my house, on HSPA.
Upload speeds faster than download speeds? WTF?
Here's Engadget's speedtests on an iPhone 4 on AT&T. (On the right)
Obviously something is a little off.
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They disable hsupa on all phone except the iphone eventhe captivate, you have a non stock fw and probably a tl3 modem flased to your cappy, btw im running darky9.3
I think this is a an issue.
The speeds are nothing close to 4g, and the tests on the atrix are consistently under 2mbs.
That sucks.
i get 4 down with my capt and 2 up
busy around 2.5-3
I got to play with an Atrix at a bar a couple weeks ago (friend of mine reps for Motorola), and the download speeds were consistently under 2 megs even though the H+ symbol was active. I hope this gets sorted out on or before march 6th.
Also I do recall seeing a speed test video of the inspire 4g getting speeds over 3 meg down so it could also be an issue of where I am using the phone.
On my Aria it's not uncommon for me to hit download speeds at or above 3 Mbs, granted it's been running CyanogenMod since the first day I owned it, so idk if the custom ROM has any effect on AT&T disabling anything...
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On another note, when I was checking if my local AT&T store had demo Atricies p) today, I asked an sales rep about the speeds and all she said was that the inspire was getting much faster speeds then her iPhone 3GS. After she walked away, I proceeded to turn off wi-fi, download the speedtest.net app and run it. Sure enough it got 1.5 Mbs down though :/
I think this is a major concern.
There is no evidence what so ever that the Atrix gets anywhere near "4g" speeds.
And I think the whole "but AT$T hasn't finished the build out" is a BS excuse my captivate running a rom gets better download speeds. That is just unacceptable.
I think you can hope in one hand that AT$T will improve the speed on the ATRIX and **** in the other and see which one gets filled up first.
The only way it will get fixed is the same way the captivate is running Froyo, you will have to root it and then flash a faster modem. Hopefully flashing a modem will be possible with locked down bootloader.
Lol, I would LOVE to get 1.5 mbps down. I'm in the capital of the free world and I hardly get up to 500 kbps on my Craptivate, with a JK4 modem.
Seems difficult to imagine AT&T shooting themselves in the foot with their first "4G" branded phone by limiting the upload.
I am hoping they fix it before launch and maybe that is why there has been just a trickle of reviews on the phone so far.
AT&T are indeed disabling HSUPA on all their phones expect the iPhone for an unknown reason.
This WILL result in slower upload speeds AND slower download speeds due to how TCP works.
All the above above me saying they are getting fast upload speeds are running none stock at&t firmware with none stock modem firmware.
It was also shown that the "Inspire 4G' has been crippled with having HSUPA disabled and is having slower speeds as well.
This is a really big issue for me. I'm on an iPhone 4 and I live in chicago, I get about 5.8 Mbps down and 1.3 Mbps up. That inside my condo. My upload is always consistent around the city, the download can dip to 2 Mbps here and there. But what I'm getting at is I have really excellent speed on my iphone 4 in chicago.
I've seen reviews on the htc inspire and the atrix, and I don't know if it's the part of the country they're in or AT&T is actually limiting, but the upload speed is horrible on these "4g" phones.
I can't live with slow data speed, I just refuse. I have an unlimited plan and pay 30 a month for it. I'm tired of getting dicked around with the evil carriers. They want our money, but they don't want to give us service to match.
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You are not going to get the speed that you are getting with Iphone I agree that it really sucks.
I think the fact is that the reason the atrix does not have lte is that AT$T is behind in their lte roll out.
HSPA+ is bs as far as I'm concerned. The whole thing hinges on the fiber connecting the towers, which is the major thing holding up LTE. You aren't going to see better speeds until the fiber is laid and who knows how that will take for them to do?
I was just at my local att store to check and see when my upgrade was available so I can get myself an Atrix 4G and I noticed on the new HTC phone they offer, the inspire or something, the radio was indeed not set for the higher speeds. The baseband version on the Nexus One is 32.50.00.32U_5.12.00.08 and the "U" denotes the use of the higher speed 3G, whatever that is called, and the phone in the store had the "H" in place which means the slower of the two.
Easily fixed in the build.prop, but kinda interesting to see they artificially limit speeds even in their newest "4G" phones.
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I was just at my local att store to check and see when my upgrade was available so I can get myself an Atrix 4G and I noticed on the new HTC phone they offer, the inspire or something, the radio was indeed not set for the higher speeds. The baseband version on the Nexus One is 32.50.00.32U_5.12.00.08 and the "U" denotes the use of the higher speed 3G, whatever that is called, and the phone in the store had the "H" in place which means the slower of the two.
Easily fixed in the build.prop, but kinda interesting to see they artificially limit speeds even in their newest "4G" phones.
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Wow, thats just ridiculous.
I swear i feel like i'm never going to get an android phone. Finally the Atrix came along, and it was the first phone i thought that i could be happy with thats not an iphone. And now this crap.
i thought release day waiting was going to be tough. Now i'll have to wait even longer to see how this pans out.
UGH!
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Wow, thats just ridiculous.
I swear i feel like i'm never going to get an android phone. Finally the Atrix came along, and it was the first phone i thought that i could be happy with thats not an iphone. And now this crap.
i thought release day waiting was going to be tough. Now i'll have to wait even longer to see how this pans out.
UGH!
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I was excited about the atrix too but now I'm sitting back and watching also. I'm pretty happy with my flashed captivate at the moment. ATT in my opinion is quite deceptive in their practices. They just hope people will not notice. I am now waiting to get the Galaxy S II international version which supports ATT HSPA+ so I can bypass all the ATT restrictions. I will buy it straight from samsung unlocked. Another good thing is that you most likely will not have to worry about a locked bootloader and since it's international it will have good XDA support hopefully. Just look at the i9000.
Yeah, I have been torn too about the Atrix. It is without a doubt a sweet phone.
But I find it completely unacceptable that it is slower on download speeds than the iphone 4, that is a crock of ****.
And AT$T is supposedly rolling out LTE in just a few months which is real 4g speed, not the Bs HSPA+ AT$T is selling now.
Why the hell doesn't the Atrix support Lte?
What is going to suck is buying the Atrix and then having AT$T rollout lte in your town, but being stuck on their crappy half ass HSPA+ crap for 2 years. Fact is their HSPA+ marketing is just a cheap ploy since Verizion is beating the **** out of them on LTE rollout.
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T-mobile is getting the galaxy s2 which is every bit if not a better phone that also happens to support lte.
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No, it doesn't. The first LTE phone isn't coming out until much later this year.
Every "4G" phone that's coming out untill Q3 is HSPA+ or WiMax. The ones after Q3 will have SOME LTE, but even those aren't going to be faster than the HSPA+ or WiMax phones for another 2 years or so.
For the earlier poster, the test was done in New York, which is overcrowded for frequency and carrier space. I always get like 2-3x what they give in the reviews (I live in Chicago too).
I'm sure you'll have tons of examples of the upload and download speed in a week, but I'm gonna bet it's better than iphone 4 if you aren't in New York.
I smell a lawsuit here.
You can't sell a phone as "4G" in its title, forcing people to move to "4g" data plans while not only not providing 4G but actually disabling full 3G (i.e. disabling HSUPA).
That is just fraudulent and i honestly don't see how they are going to get away with it this time.
Until now they got away with it on the Captivate and other phones because they didn't commit to anything, but with the Atrix and HTC Inspire 4G they are actually defrauding the customers by disabling HSUPA which disables HSPA+ (4G) as a result.