Ok so if I swype down the notifications bar halfway, and touch either up or down with another finger it goes that way, so it noticed my finger moved or noticed the second finger, either way it sensed that it moved, but if I use a keyboard and touched one letter, than another letter with another finger it thinks im only pressing that original letter that I first pressed, if there is no mt possible why don't these two examples react similar?
Btw this is a question, not a thread on wether 2.1 has multi touch...
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The stock keyboard is not multi touch capable, the Droid x has a multi touch keyboard though it runs on 2.1 so the copy I have doesn't work on my hd2 running froyo
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post it in the multitouch thread. even if its not a question at least it more on topic in there
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We all know that multitouch is capable on the popular G1 and myTouch. Now I was wondering if adding such a feature onto the virtual keyboard is a can-do. All for the sake of exponentially increasing text insertion speed.
I don't see a reason to use multitouch for text input. What should happen if you enter 2 keys at the same time?
MarcLandis said:
I don't see a reason to use multitouch for text input. What should happen if you enter 2 keys at the same time?
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the point of multi-touch on the vk is to increase the speed of texting meaning u can press a key directly after another without fear of the keys not registering. it really helps when holding the phone sideways because when text i start texting too fast and keys dont register correctly. thats y im still partial to the hard keyboard.
MarcLandis said:
I don't see a reason to use multitouch for text input. What should happen if you enter 2 keys at the same time?
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The reason for multi-touch is simple... take a look at the iPhone, if you hit one key and then before releasing it hit another it registers both hits. So that way you can type much quicker! Try this on the android/htc/better keyboards and you'll see that if you hit two keys at the same time, it will register a key that is almost always half-way in between the two.
However, I think Google is having a hard-time coding for not simultaneous taps but for timing. Meaning that if you hit both the 'K' and the 'N' keys at the same time while trying to type the word 'KNOW', the software not only has to recognize that 2 keys were hit; but has to resolve which one was hit first or was likely meant to be hit first. So that way, it can say
"hey, he hit the 'K' and the 'N' at virtually the same time; BUT, because he hit the 'K' .00002 seconds before the 'N' I'll put register and display the 'K' before the 'N'"
Multi-touch in the browser is probably not easy to code for but it certainly is much easier than the keyboard because pinching only requires the software to recognize that two fingers are on the screen, not that one was there before the other.
But, I think Google needs to work on the usability of the keyboard first. The screen-size on the magic and keyboard might restrict them somewhat but damn the virtual keyboard layout is verry bad... I always hit the "M" key when trying to hit the "DELETE" key.. And why not auto-popup the keyboard when you enter messaging? and why is there the "smiley" key in messaging? WASTE OF SPACE?!?
I thought the HTC keyboard sorta-of had multi-touch support, no?
How does one "sorta" have multi-touch support?
I would love to see this. My biggest problem is not registering a space in between words because I hit it too quickly and then the autocorrect can't fix the issue. Maybe a 3rd party keyboard developer would be interested in incorporating this into their app?
I believe better keyboard has multi touch.
exile20 said:
I believe better keyboard has multi touch.
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It does not, unfortunately.
TonyDeez said:
How does one "sorta" have multi-touch support?
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I think I only got it working with the bottom row of keys.
I can't fathom how one would get the Dream/Magic (G1/myTouch3G) to have a fully functional multitouch keyboard. The multitouch capacity of these devices is hackish to say the least; if the horizontal or vertical coordinates of the touched points coincide to within a rather wide range (comparatively speaking) then the device is incapable of registering more than one touch -- and it wouldn't necessarily be /either/ of the points originally touched.
That would seem to me to be a game-breaker.
Unless I misunderstand? Perhaps the Droid or Cliq are different.
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The multitouch capacity of these devices is hackish to say the least; if the horizontal or vertical coordinates of the touched points coincide to within a rather wide range (comparatively speaking) then the device is incapable of registering more than one touch -- and it wouldn't necessarily be /either/ of the points originally touched.
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Reading this got me curious so I went back to Luke Hutchison's blog posts on the matter and played around with his multitouch demo apps here and it looks like there are indeed problems. I then found this post which explains his observations on the matter.
Even with these limitations, though, it's hard to say if there would be much of an issue. I think this "rather wide range" you speak of is small enough. The QWERTY keyboard layout was designed to spread out keys to minimize "jams" of neighboring keys. This works in our favor, making the distance between possible close-to-simultaneous keypresses rather large on average. If I play with the virtual keyboard a little bit, I notice that if my fingers are hitting neighboring keys I don't have problems with simultaneous presses because I have to move my first finger out of the way to make room for the second. I do have unusually large fingers, but give it a try yourself.
Who knows though...it may indeed be too inaccurate.
Also, it looks like there's a similar thread to this one over here.
The trouble, as I understand it, is that you could not touch two points on the same horizontal "read" line of the device, at the same time. You could probably do top row and bottom row as multitouch, but not middle row and anything else. (Assuming three rows total.)
It's not just about touching two keys simultaneously but that if the same capacitors are triggered horizontally, then the device will read this as one -- confused -- input. And if the same capacitors are triggered horizontally, the same will occur.
It is my understanding that the Motorola Milestone's Eclair keyboard is multi-touch. Can anyone confirm that?
i can conform that there is a multi-touch keyboard. Ive actually tested it out. They rebuild the keyboard and made capable of it. I think its called HTC VK keyboard. And yes i can press 2 keys at the same time too.
I have a t mobile Touch pro 2, love the keyboard but i would rather go back to android. Its almost new if anyone is interested let me know in a pm. thanks.
If I'm not mistaken, the HTC Keyboard on the hero has multitouch.
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If I'm not mistaken, the HTC Keyboard on the hero has multitouch.
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sorry but you are mistaken. the hero does not even have real multitouch in the driver. one finger gives a small dot, while a second finger would increase the dot size that is reported from the driver, the bigger the distance between fingers the bigger the dot size. this way the pinch-to-zoom works, but it does not actually detect a second touch.
you can see this with various application that show the touch graphically, for example cracked screen or steamy window.
Then I stand corrected. Just relaying something I heard. But doesn't mulititouch have to be written into the program? Like how Picsay had multitouch on the Droid whereas other apps didn't? Just throwing things out there.
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sorry but you are mistaken. the hero does not even have real multitouch in the driver. one finger gives a small dot, while a second finger would increase the dot size that is reported from the driver, the bigger the distance between fingers the bigger the dot size. this way the pinch-to-zoom works, but it does not actually detect a second touch.
you can see this with various application that show the touch graphically, for example cracked screen or steamy window.
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Dunno about the Hero, but the Eris definitely does have it.
Also- multitouch DOES have to be coded into the application. The driver isn't important at all if the application itself only supports one input.
Interesting new tweet by cyanogen:
@paracycle multitouch is built into keyboardview on eclair. i've backported this for the next CM-4.2 release.
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the new update gave it multi touch on the keyboard but the ime mod is still lacking. so anyone still using the droid x multi touch keyboard thats if they found a way to stop it from force closing all the time.
I'm having a problem with writing text messages.
When in a certain conversation, I start to type using the Hardware keyboard, and after a few words the screen just jumps up in a few stages - first I can't see the Attachment button, then the Send button semi-disappears, and then I'm in the middle of the conversation and can't see the typing window anymore.
This is driving me crazy, and worst part - it doesn't always happen! I can't understand in which situation it happens and when it doesn't.
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Stock 2.2 firmware and stock messaging application
Using AnySoftKeyboard
Urmm, when writing this message I just noticed that even if I don't type anything, the screen jumps up. meaning I just went into a conversation, put the phone aside to write this message on the forum, and came back finding the screen has jumped up the conversation instead of displaying the typing window.
I was told on another forum that this was discussed on XDA but I can't find anything, any lead would be great. thanks
It would help if you said which stock ROM you are referring to, there are several, depending on your phone sub-model, carrier, region, etc.
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A Sense ROM?... Could be the HTC app... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=829535
Ahhhhh I'm having the same problem! The curser jumps around randomly sometimes causing me to type random letters at differnt parts of the text. Drives me crazy!
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ok yeah there's a discussion about this issue in the thread wileykat linked. thanks
From what I understand it has to do with light hitting the trackpad. This happens to me, but only in certain spots in certain rooms.
Like it always happens when I lean back in my chair at my desk, which happens to expose my phone to the ceiling fan. When the light is on is when I get the crazy scrolling which leads me to believe there's some truth in this.
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It's the trackpad. Try typing that same message away from a direct light source. Pretty sure the issue will go away. Annoying
Umm, I don't get why you guys think it's the trackpad that's causing this. cause if you are currently in the writing window of the stock HTC messaging app in landscape and hardware keyboard out, try to use the trackpad to go up/down and it won't actually go up to the conversation. so why would light hitting it do that if it's not a possibility manually?
mine does this as well, i've found one particular spot in my house where it happens. pretty sure it's light hitting the pad at the right (or wrong) angles as well.
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Umm, I don't get why you guys think it's the trackpad that's causing this. cause if you are currently in the writing window of the stock HTC messaging app in landscape and hardware keyboard out, try to use the trackpad to go up/down and it won't actually go up to the conversation. so why would light hitting it do that if it's not a possibility manually?
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I just tried it on my phone in the stock app and the trackpad will scroll up from the text box both in landscape and portrait..
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Hi all!
I'm starting a new thread about my problem because the two other ones i found did not give me any answer or clue. They are (at least) 2 months old and there's no news about that.
The old threads can be found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=885271
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=12798131
I have this problem: When I try to write a text message with the physical keyboard, the screen start to "scroll up" in the conversation after a couple of seconds.
After some tests, here's what I can tell about the problem:
-I use HTC Sense messaging app
-Screens jumps a little bit IF i slide out the keyboard AFTER selecting the contact
-It can't be the trackball to me, (lot of people are saying that it is trackball related) because if you try to "scroll up" or down with the trackball while typing a message, it do not scroll the whole page, but only between your message's lines.
-Sometimes, it scrolls the page up AND unselect the message box, so pressing "delete" will offer you to delete messages (instead of deleting the last character you wrote), and some keys open a new message, etc.
-I tried with "Touch Input" and Swype as the software keyboard and it seems to be unrelated to the software keyboard (I get the problem with both of them)
-It seems to happen to me in EVERY conversation (even conversations with less than 50 messages, contrary to what some peoples says)
-It scroll up in two times, the first time I can see the "send" button a little bit and the second one I can't see the message box anymore. It always jump to the SAME point (with 10 messages or with 200..) the second "jump" occurs 1 second after the first one.
-It is REALLY annoying.
Here's infos on my cellphone:
Bell's HTC Desire Z (canada) with official ROM (not rooted) version 1.84.666.2 (On Android 2.2.1)
I'm using it in French with French Canadian Keyboard.
If someone find a solution (other than switch to another messaging app) i'll be really happy!!
UPDATE: I was having two more software keyboard, "Wifi Keyboard" (installed by Remote Web Desktop) and an unworking Gingerbread keyboard app. (The gingerbread keyboard whas installed a long time after the problem starts), I uninstalled both of them and seems to have no more problems. I'll test some applications and thing and will update this thread once I have a "final answer" on it!
I did a lot if test and it seems that with swype selected, it happens EVERYTIME I slide out the keyboard AFTER selecting a contact or a message.
If swype is not selected, it happens sometimes, but a lot less. Is there a solution to this? I'm not using swype so it do not matter to me, but i would like to fix this annoying bug
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I did a lot if test and it seems that with swype selected, it happens EVERYTIME I slide out the keyboard AFTER selecting a contact or a message.
If swype is not selected, it happens sometimes, but a lot less. Is there a solution to this? I'm not using swype so it do not matter to me, but i would like to fix this annoying bug
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Yes I know how you feel.
Sadly, the only workaround I've found to minimise the jumps is by going to the list of messages first in landscape mode (keyboard out) before selecting the thread. It's not 100% foolproof but I found it cuts the phenomenon down significantly with my European Desire Z.
I'm hoping the promised upgrade to gingerbread may finally put this one to bed.
Just a quick update: I've uninstalled Swype Beta completely (rather then keeping it installed as an option) as I was hardly using it. Seems to have made a difference to how often the jumping occurs.
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I get this in the messsaging app Only on Sense though....
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i think its an android general issue i remember having the same problem with my xperia x10 and it happened also on an omnia ii i ported eclair to, so yeah...
This is a known issue. It has to do with ambient light hitting the black touchpad. It causes the screen to inadvertantly jump up. I had this problem before. When ever you see it happening just move the touchpad out of the light or cover it with your hand and it should be fine.
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After my 4th g2 and a month with it, it starts happening to me here in the no airport =/
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So what's the REAL solution here? It happens every time for me and it has nothing to do with light...?
Lately I have been experiencing a multitouch problem in my xperia play.
I was playing a touchscreen game when the controls were lagging and would get stuck on the screen. I thought it was just the game but to make sure I downloaded this multitouch tester application.
I will explain to you what you should do to replicate the problem.
1. Touch the screen with a finger (Finger A)
2. While keeping Finger A on the screen touch the screen with another finger (Finger B)
3. Do not remove finger A while tapping the screen with Finger B
4. The colors of the dots that indicate the fingers on the screen should change for Finger B after many taps with finger B the application will crash.
What is happening is that every time you remove then press Finger B while keeping Finger A pressed it thinks it is a new touch point think you have 3 or more fingers.
If you use this application to test. You will see it is giving Finger B a different ID every time it touches. This application does not Force close but it starts finger B at ID 0 when it reaches the maximum.
I did a google search and found this information.
http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/8b14591ead5608a0
^^ That is specific to the Xperia Play so you might want to read through it.
I may be able to get a video of it later.
You pointed me here from my keyboard problem. But my problem also occurs when I'm using just one hand. If I am just using my right thumb and press the delete key, it will sometimes register both the delete key and the button z. Same occurs for example with p and q.
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Had this prob in 2.3.2 seems to be solved un the update here I made a vid too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0oEYFfj6Pg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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i used that apk and multitouch works fine for 4 fingers on my r800x after 4 fingers the app force closes on me
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i used that apk and multitouch works fine for 4 fingers on my r800x after 4 fingers the app force closes on me
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but have you tried what I said about leaving 1 finger on at all times then tapping the screen with the other finger?
This can get very bad in racing games. You are holding the accelerator and tapping the brakes. Eventually the controls go crazy.
And 1 year later... I have exactly the same issue on my Sony Xperia U. After 3 taps of my second finger, multitouch didn't detect anymore my second finger.
My Xperia mini pro havn't this problem, this is very troublesome.
Nhialor said:
You pointed me here from my keyboard problem. But my problem also occurs when I'm using just one hand. If I am just using my right thumb and press the delete key, it will sometimes register both the delete key and the button z. Same occurs for example with p and q.
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Lock and unlock the screen and it will sort it. Just do that every time it happens