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GoogleMaps with StreetView and Latitude

Hi,
the new GoogleMaps locates your friends, provided they agree (read more).
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starbase64

Any new features besides the Latitude thing? Perhaps adjustable cache size?
-Valynor

nice update, but after installing it on my touch, gmail login screen keeps giving me that retry warning message about needing a data plan and/or weak signal when i already have a unlimited data package and at least 2 bars.

i only wish i could locate anyone on my contact list. i dnt know anyone with gmail. i use aol n hotmail.com

ghostrid3r said:
nice update, but after installing it on my touch, gmail login screen keeps giving me that retry warning message about needing a data plan and/or weak signal when i already have a unlimited data package and at least 2 bars.
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You're the 3rd person with a Vogue that I've seen with that problem (including me), and I haven't seen anyone else mentioning this...
What ROM are you running?

tizonly1 said:
You're the 3rd person with a Vogue that I've seen with that problem (including me), and I haven't seen anyone else mentioning this...
What ROM are you running?
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You can add me to that list. I'm using a Bell Vogue (unlimited data) with NFSFANs ROM (1.24 I think - the last non-Footprints one). All other data services work fine.

tizonly1 said:
You're the 3rd person with a Vogue that I've seen with that problem (including me), and I haven't seen anyone else mentioning this...
What ROM are you running?
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tested out using m3jorge/vetito hybrid 6.1 20931 and 6.5 roms and no go on either.

This is my first time using google maps on my device or even at all. Seems to be working really well on my device. I don't have GPS built in my device or even have bluetooth GPS receiver yet; however, was able to use it using both GPRS connection and WIFI. Maps loaded quickly and refreshed just as quickly - 1 second 1.5 seconds average with WIFI. Did not test much with GPRS Connection because I wanted to avoid the charges. It did however, to my surprise, find my location really quick once it connected using GPRS (would not with WIFI) It was not 100% accurate, but was very close. So far I like it and will find it to be a very useful app. Have not located any friends yet as none of them have this on their devices yet.

One problem I have noticed with making the Google Maps into an OEM (only since StreetView came out) is that if you change the Regional Settings, the device hangs when running Google Maps. For example, if you change to France and you go to Get Directions ('Itineraire'), the dialog box may be blank and the program is not responsive to input. If you install the CAB instead (eg. with SD AutoRun) then this is not a problem.
Does your OEM have this issue?
starbase64 said:
Hi,
the new GoogleMaps locates your friends, provided they agree (read more).
wfg
starbase64
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for thos of you using the touch (vogue) im not sure if i had the same error but im running a custom cooked rom with m2d and when i installed the latest google maps i had problems running it from m2d but i was able to open it from the start menue just fine...
to fix the problem i used resco file explorer to copy googlemaps.exe from progra files/google coppied to the windows directory and replace that eze
hope that helps

This latitude thing is sweet
1 q tho: I want to keep it running all the time, without having the total google maps app open.
When I close maps, it asks me if I want to keep sharing my position, I answer yes and it keeps just the location service running (taking up a mere 330KB of ram). I don't want to start and exit g. maps evvery time I reboot my device tho (which is a couple of times a week, the joy of a Hermes...). Is there any way to make gmaps do the latitude sharing thing without starting the app, enabling latitude and exiting again?

I had similar issues and on a google forum I think NSFAN mentioned to uncheck gps then try. That worked for me. Seems very cool, but Google needs to learn a thing or two about power management.

This would be useful in some situations, but
I dont think this is something I would want to broadcast all of the time. I know you can turn it off, but once you start showing your position, not showing it makes you look shady. Does anyone else here get questioned if you don't answer your phone 24/7? People know I am never without it, so they expect me to answer. Now will I have to explain why I'm not showing up on some friend's map?
I'm just saying that this strikes me as a little "big brotherish", and I'm going to be very selective about that buddy list.

Anyone know how much data the Latitude service uses? How often does it make a connection and transmit data. Having a constant data connection may cause battery drain issues on some devices that already have power problems.

crissg said:
I dont think this is something I would want to broadcast all of the time. I know you can turn it off, but once you start showing your position, not showing it makes you look shady. Does anyone else here get questioned if you don't answer your phone 24/7? People know I am never without it, so they expect me to answer. Now will I have to explain why I'm not showing up on some friend's map?
I'm just saying that this strikes me as a little "big brotherish", and I'm going to be very selective about that buddy list.
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The expectation of response is probably the most central issue surrounding smartphones/PDAs (for email), and cell phones (for calls). Yes, you will be giving up your privacy, but it's an application you're "testing" and may crash at any time
Personally, I plan on leaving GPS off. That way, I'm in a general vicinity but not one place specifically. It's much harder to snipe me that way.

JiltedCitizen said:
I had similar issues and on a google forum I think NSFAN mentioned to uncheck gps then try. That worked for me. Seems very cool, but Google needs to learn a thing or two about power management.
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Bingo!!!! that did the trick, working now. thanks for the tip Jilted.

Things I hate about my Desire Z and Android

I have just moved over to Android after using WM for over 4 years and I am starting to have buyers remorse because Android 2.2 cant do some basic things natively and even with an app.
I hate the following things about my phone and its OS:
1) No file explorer
2) No Microsoft office bundled which means I cant view or create office documents. Most of the office apps I can see in the market say they will allow you view and edit documents but cant find one that will let you create a new document (Quickoffice is a complete waste of my time)
3) No Notes
4) The position of the microUSB slot (its a pain for me because my phone is my SatNav)
5) Cant set up Yahoomail in Mail and even after downloading the Yahoo Mail app, I cant view picture attachments.
6) When playing some videos, voice and video are well out of sync.
7) Volume is too low (Sound quality seems ok though)

1- there are lots of file explorer apps in the market.
2 - you can open gdocs in the browser and create docs
3 - search for colornotes in market. The are apps which does sync in the web too
4 - better than some proprietary plugs and cables used by some devices.
5 - try to config it in the native htc mail app, not the yahoo app.
6 - yes... sound is not loud as we want, it's like the palm treo 650

lombardo8 said:
I have just moved over to Android after using WM for over 4 years and I am starting to have buyers remorse because Android 2.2 cant do some basic things natively and even with an app.
I hate the following things about my phone and its OS:
1) No file explorer
2) No Microsoft office bundled which means I cant view or create office documents. Most of the office apps I can see in the market say they will allow you view and edit documents but cant find one that will let you create a new document (Quickoffice is a complete waste of my time)
3) No Notes
3) The position of the microUSB slot (its a pain for me because my phone is my SatNav)
4) Cant set up Yahoomail in Mail and even after downloading the Yahoo Mail app, I cant view picture attachments.
5) When playing some videos, voice and video are well out of sync.
6) Volume is too low (Sound quality seems ok though)
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1) Tons of free ones in the market some (astro, IO, Linda etc)
2) Try thinkfree, worked well for me on my vibrant http://product.thinkfree.com/mobile/android
3) Again, tons of option in the market. I currently use colornote which is great.
4) I agree with this. wish the micro usb slot was at the bottom of the device.
5) sorry cant help you here. I use gmail. did you try downloading K9? (mail app in the market - never used it but heard good things about it)
6) Download mvideoplayer - i've been using it for a week and its great
7) Tell people around you to shut up (just playing). yeah the speaker is cheese on the G2, but I hardly use it anyway so its a small sacrifice for me.

http://iphone-developers.com
JK
But most of those you mentioned there is eithe a fix or app available

try setting it up as imap account
imap.mail.yahoo.com 143
smtp.mail.yahoo.com 25
got it to work with a lot of sprint phones
EDITt:
My mistake on port #
double checked settings on my phone and it worked

Thanx guys for all the constructive replies. I was just letting off some steam. Its hard to adapt to change sometimes. Like I said I have been using WM for over 4 years and it can get difficult if something has worked in a certain way all this while and all of a sudden it changes. I am going to try some of ur suggestions and i,ll report back on how I get on.

i feel your pain. I started with a mda ended with a tp2 then went to my g2

Hello everyone
I too had similar issues with Android but with time (1month) I got used to it, almost.
Not too sure what you mean by '3'? I use my DesireZ as satnav all the time (just love Sygic's Aura!!!) And I use Brodit's active carholder (charger only version) and it does the job brilliantly.
I saw a thread about it a few weeks back so just do a search
My only REAL disappointment with android OS is complete lack of Bluetooth activated dialling and lack of contacts voicetags making it literary illegal to use this OS while driving.
Ps. Before all of you jump at me for slagging the android , I know I can answer calls with bt button press, but initiating a call without touching the fone is impossible (Google voice is rubbish, even for American native speakers, let alone other nationalities)
Rant over
sent from htc desire Z

lombardo8 said:
Thanx guys for all the constructive replies. I was just letting off some steam. Its hard to adapt to change sometimes. Like I said I have been using WM for over 4 years and it can get difficult if something has worked in a certain way all this while and all of a sudden it changes. I am going to try some of ur suggestions and i,ll report back on how I get on.
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The only painful thing about change is resistance to it.
Jump in and really see the what a great phone you have, Ive had WM and to be honest I will never go back.

Just my personal opinion of course ,but I came to Android from WinMo and I wouldn't go back if you paid me. The only good thing that WinMo had going for it was great Office integration. Android blows it out of the water in all other respects.
Sent from my HTC Desire Z

steviewevie said:
Just my personal opinion of course ,but I came to Android from WinMo and I wouldn't go back if you paid me. The only good thing that WinMo had going for it was great Office integration. Android blows it out of the water in all other respects.
Sent from my HTC Desire Z
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i totally agree with you. that sucks for any phone that isnt htc

joemm said:
The only painful thing about change is resistance to it.
Jump in and really see the what a great phone you have, Ive had WM and to be honest I will never go back.
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steviewevie said:
Just my personal opinion of course ,but I came to Android from WinMo and I wouldn't go back if you paid me. The only good thing that WinMo had going for it was great Office integration. Android blows it out of the water in all other respects.
Sent from my HTC Desire Z
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+1
WM made its job but it's definitely the past, Android is the future
I almost have some kind of disgust when I think of the "finger-friendly" design of WM, the lags and the RAM issues
I love the Google (Gmail, calendar, tasks, contacts) synchronization so much! I couldn't live without anymore!

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Ha, having also come from the WinMo world (G2 is my first Android), I actually felt the complete opposite of you---WM is much less friendly/functional out of the box than Android (especially if on a stock WM ROM).
If not for manufacturers like HTC developing UI's like TouchFlo/Manilla, you pretty much had to use a stylus for many operations (or the hardware buttons, which I do miss some days). There was no marketplace until recently, so installing apps required a bit of research/work and relied heavily on forums such as XDA. In fact, in my experience, I always had to tweak the phone considerably to get it working decently (there were always countless registry tweaks to make if they weren't cooked into the ROM already, files to edit to increase the volume if your phone needed it, programs to install and tweak in order to get push email working, all of the pains of ActiveSync, especially if you weren't running an Exchange Server, etc.). That being said, WM had been around for a long time and a lot of the software and tweaks out there were already fairly mature, so it wasn't bad (for example, I always had problems playing videos on WM without the use of a third-party solution like CorePlayer, which until it matured, had it's fair share of stuttering and sync issues as well).
While there are definitely some growing pains involved, I'm a convert now. Plus, if you still want to have some control/tweakability, it allows you to still do that without much effort (as opposed to say Win7 or IOS).

8) Cant BT contacts from my phone to my car's phonebook (heard you need to download an app called Bluetooth File Transfer)
9) Random loss of installed apps and downloaded videos (nothing a good ol' WM style restart wont solve)

wolek76 said:
Hello everyone
My only REAL disappointment with android OS is complete lack of Bluetooth activated dialling and lack of contacts voicetags making it literary illegal to use this OS while driving.
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I'm using a paid app, Choice Dialer Plus, from the market. It lets you voice dial the phone, control the stock music app, set facebook status, etc.

burtcom said:
I'm using a paid app, Choice Dialer Plus, from the market. It lets you voice dial the phone, control the stock music app, set facebook status, etc.
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Yes, apparently it works (I did read some comments) but it still requires touching the screen to activate it, doesn't it?
Also, uses voice recognition which will only work for English names, right?
Now how would one pronounce my login here.... 'wolek' so that the machine would recognize it??? Not to mention some other non-English names within my phonebook
Sorry for being picky
Regards
sent from htc desire Z

wolek76 said:
Hello everyone
My only REAL disappointment with android OS is complete lack of Bluetooth activated dialling and lack of contacts voicetags making it literary illegal to use this OS while driving.
Ps. Before all of you jump at me for slagging the android , I know I can answer calls with bt button press, but initiating a call without touching the fone is impossible (Google voice is rubbish, even for American native speakers, let alone other nationalities)
Rant over
sent from htc desire Z
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I make voice dialed calls all the time without touching the phone. I'm using a Motorola H17...not sure if that makes a difference.

2 thoughts here:
Yes, the usb location sucks. it's the worst possible spot, it's in the way no matter how you hold the phone. It really should have been on the bottom.
I didn't know windows mobile phones from 4 years ago could play HD movies?
My G2 has no problem chewing through an unconverted 720p divx using rockplayer in software mode. Now I don't have to spend 3 hours converting a 2 hour movie.

I'd agree about the USB port location. The one major plus that the iPhone has is that it uses a standardised docking socket, so there are hundreds of docks, cradles, adaptors, interfaces, etc around for it. Try and find even one for Android phones.
It would have been such a good idea to come up with a standard spec hardware port for all Android devices (not limited to just that, but so that every phone has the same basic interface, power connector and audio options). Then we could have lots of lovely accessories.
Handsfree Bluetooth dialling works just fine in my car by the way, but it is the car stereo that does the voice recognition bit.
Oh, and I did like the Notes program in stock WinMo - the ability to seamlessly draw or write (with optional pen-to-text recognition) with the stylus, or type if you prefer, was great.
Andre

Track N Remote Control your G-Note online - Free Service by Samsung

Track Your Galaxy Note online with samsung server.
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Since I am using this service from day one, but i have never read a word regarding this on XDA forum. so writing a guide who are not aware to this service.
Priorly with SGS i have tried, but was not available to my country(india), but this time with Note we are lucky.
To activate this service
First Go here
http://samsungdive.com
and register your account(free)
- Now on mobile go to setting-Location n security - Find My mobile
1.check SIM card change alert
2.click on alert msg recipient - Now login with credential, you have register on above mentioned samsung site. - and add recipient mobile number (your other number / family number) on which you will get notification, if SIM will changed.
3.check Remote control
Now when you visit samsungdive.com n login, you will see your register device there, (see Image above)
Click on your device.
You will see this
Now you can track your mobile. It have all function which available with many costly applications on market like
-tracking on map (to check location)
-Ring mobile (to find device in nearby location)
-Forward msgs
-call logs
-wipe out device etc
Hope it will be useful to G-Note user.

I didn't know about this! Thanks!

Samsung Dive is an excellent tool.
it also helps with few other things.
The other day i misplaced my note under my desk and i went online and made it ring( it rings even in silent mode )

Sounds great! I will have to check this out. I have been using SeekDroid since it came out, but this might be a more fool proof way, since I have had issues with Seekdroid while running practice tests. Thanks!

Doesn't seem to work in the US. Saying my ZIP is not enough digits and I don't see the setting on the phone menu to "find my mobile."
Edit: nevermind, deleted the optional address information. Still not working yet...added +10000000000 (0's are my phone number) since I'm in the US....
Edit 2: I previously had a SGSII on my Samsung account. Perhaps it's trying to locate that device (hehe, the new owner is probably panicking).
How can I delete that device and add my Note?
Edit 3: Nevermind, figured out how to add the Note here:
https://v2.samsungdive.com/help/guideRemoteControls.do
Doesn't say how to delete a device I no longer own though....

thanks for this
Although find my mobile worked fine with me "lock mobile" and "ring mobile" didn't although it is showing as succeeded on the web
any idea?

ericshmerick said:
Doesn't seem to work in the US. Saying my ZIP is not enough digits and I don't see the setting on the phone menu to "find my mobile."
Edit: nevermind, deleted the optional address information. Still not working yet...added +10000000000 (0's are my phone number) since I'm in the US....
Edit 2: I previously had a SGSII on my Samsung account. Perhaps it's trying to locate that device (hehe, the new owner is probably panicking).
How can I delete that device and add my Note?
Edit 3: Nevermind, figured out how to add the Note here:
https://v2.samsungdive.com/help/guideRemoteControls.do
Doesn't say how to delete a device I no longer own though....
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I think if u signout of samsung dive account in your phone , it dissappears.
Not so sure. will test it.

drgopoos said:
I think if u signout of samsung dive account in your phone , it dissappears.
Not so sure. will test it.
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The FAQ says to delete (disable) the feature on your phone before selling it.
I factory reset it so it had to be disabled as the phone re-formatted.
Oh well. Works on my Note but I hope I don't wipe some guy's SGSII that I sold it to lol.

this is a really good tool, i played around with it for a while and its an asset

guys lock screen and all is working for you ?
any specific apk should be installed?
what ROM are you using ?

Thank you very much! It's working like a charm

THANK YOU!!
I saw this in the settings and wondered from where on the net one can control it.
@ArticCat: Are your phone's data/wifi enabled? 'Cause it needs to communicate with the servers.

Noooooo
No no no no nooooooooo, definitley not, couldnt bear the thought of knowing i was been tracked at any moment, dont like the idea of that software, like the people upstairs dont already have their beady eyes on us, how do we know samsung wouldnt make this info available to the government for some corrupt scheme. big no from me...

graemeg said:
No no no no nooooooooo, definitley not, couldnt bear the thought of knowing i was been tracked at any moment, dont like the idea of that software, like the people upstairs dont already have their beady eyes on us, how do we know samsung wouldnt make this info available to the government for some corrupt scheme. big no from me...
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Tinfoilhat and all, but any and all cell companies know where you are 24x7. Hint: they could give two ****s.
I, on the other hand, want to wipe my phone if I lose it, so I'm in. Samsung can watch me drive around all they want but I'd be willing to bet they have better things to do, like make Touchwiz more bloated and the like.

ericshmerick said:
Tinfoilhat and all, but any and all cell companies know where you are 24x7. Hint: they could give two ****s.
I, on the other hand, want to wipe my phone if I lose it, so I'm in. Samsung can watch me drive around all they want but I'd be willing to bet they have better things to do, like make Touchwiz more bloated and the like.
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ericshmerick said:
Tinfoilhat and all, but any and all cell companies know where you are 24x7. Hint: they could give two ****s.
I, on the other hand, want to wipe my phone if I lose it, so I'm in. Samsung can watch me drive around all they want but I'd be willing to bet they have better things to do, like make Touchwiz more bloated and the like.
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To continue on his point, I trust Samsung more than the guy who accidentally/purposefully acquires my phone with all my personal info on it. WIPE WIPE WIPE!

Works great, I had this with my galaxy s and now the note ;-)
And it works very good, I am in sweden.
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Thanks!
But does this affect battery life in anyway?
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Thanks! This looks awesome. I will try this once I get back home from work.
Thanked & Rated 5 Stars...

Got it to work in USA. Thanks for posting this.

[APP]OpenBuildProp project

I recently went searching for a collection of build.prop for any and all devices and although I could find build props for several devices, I usually needed to know some specifics about the device and then search google for the build.prop. This is all fine and dandy for finding a build.prop here and there but what I really wanted to find was a centralized location for any and all build prop files. Will this be useful? Who knows, but it's easy enough to gather this data and present it in a way that is easily searchable and open to the entire public.
With that goal in mind I have started by creating a very simple application that will allow a user to upload their build.prop to my server. I'll be working on the server side to make it possible for anyone to simply browse through the various build props that have been collected via this application.
Participating is as simple as installing the app and clicking a button. After successful upload of your build.prop you can simply uninstall the app. If you are game for participating then please check use the link below to download the app and submit your build.prop. Once I get the server side all set up I will update this OP and provide the url for where you can access the acquired build props.
DOWNLOAD
OpenBuildProp.apk
APP SOURCE CODE
https://github.com/0xD34D/OpenBuildProp
OpenBuildProp Site
http://openbuildprop.scheffsblend.com/
Thank you in advance to those that participate and contribute to my efforts in providing a central repository for device build props.
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Wow whoever thought of using an app to do this is truely a Genius!

jcase said:
Wow whoever thought of using an app to do this is truely a Genius!
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I agree and whoever offered to retweet about it and did not is a douche.
To be fair though, this isn't an entirely new concept. I have an app on the market that pulled specific fields from the build prop and would sync that up with a central DB if the user opted to do so. This goes a step further and collects the entire build.prop for later use, and for others to look up as well.

Not a bad idea,shall submit soon, could this also be expanded to be used (in the near future) to edit the certain aspects of the build.prop automatically, ie; to adjust Ro.product.model from default to Galaxy Nexus or which ever phone model, to make certain apps work , ie camera , and then back to default if you wanted to. mere suggestions though

I forgot that I had a modded build.prop . I tweaked it to make use of the 4.2 camera. Please pull the "Google Nexus 4 sgh-i847". I'd hate to be spreading false information

Fascinating I will be uploading mine as well, if I have a custom ROM will that change the build.prop in anyway?

great idea ...
submitted mine ...

I have been thinking a bunch about how best to optimize the information in the build.prop. There are so many non-standard ways of doing things.
One of my projects probes and sorts devices based on their build.prop and I am constantly amazed at how wildly they differ. Even sorting CyanogenMod and CM kangs is difficult to do well. Sorting by build date took me a long time as well.
I have a feeling you are going to see a bunch of modified info, as some apps and users mod theirs and then forget. But maybe you have some sor of aggregation method that will eventually overrule bad data.
I find it maddening that the build.prop contains no standardized information about screen resolution, i.e. large-mdpi or xhdpi, etc.
I will be looking, thanks for trying to make some sense of this world. It won't always be like this, thankfully. I am glad you asked me to vent my frustrations while I was here...:silly:
Edit: I have maybe 80-100 random builds on my desktop at any given moment, for bunches of devices. Any plans for a web uploader or did I miss it?

great idea! just submitted mine, hope many others will follow to make this collection successful.

Submitted mine and then realised after reading comments that it's tweaked, I went to your site to find it (under LT26i label). It contains v6 superchager data in the bottom of the file. Please remove it if needed.

OpenBuildProp Project
Uploaded my build.prop file from the phone for LGL45C Optimus Net from Net10.

Nice i will do this later for my Gio phone and Tom-Tec tablet.
Would be nice if this helps me out to find device that are like my tablet. (Telechip, Arm7,)

0xD34D said:
I agree and whoever offered to retweet about it and did not is a douche.
To be fair though, this isn't an entirely new concept. I have an app on the market that pulled specific fields from the build prop and would sync that up with a central DB if the user opted to do so. This goes a step further and collects the entire build.prop for later use, and for others to look up as well.
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lol

Would this app work with minSdkVersion 7 as well? My Nook Touch reader (eInk display, touch) still runs Android 2.1

Uploaded Nexus4 with another update

uploaded build.prop of captivate running slim ics 4.2
and 1 thing I would like to see is to add a button in the app which will take the user to the website when pressed
and really nice work and idea

Uploaded HTC Vision running Andromadus Mimicry 1.5 ICS
also can't upload from my stock Nexus 7 running Jelly Bean 4.2 get a failed to upload error,any suggestions?
cheers

this is awesome
thanks for doing it
i would also love to see maybe a spin off of this project which lists known meanings for the abbreviations used in the build.props
tried to start one such thread here awhile ago
it never really caught on

Removing Play Store & Services / Gapps

Like many now, I want to avoid Google's services for privacy reasons, and use CM / PA / other ROMs without anything Googly installed.
Thus the Priv is only an option for me if I can completely strip everything Google out of it. Priv is supposed to stand for privacy, but sharing everything with Google isn't very private ....
I have a bad feeling that there'll be no option whatsoever to do this. Also, it looks like the phone uses Google's phone and messaging apps, so I assume core BB services rely on those and therefore Play / Gapps ...
Then of course there's the dark cloud that a heavily locked down bootloader / difficult root access may cast.
Anyone have any thoughts?

Google probably already has all your information, i'm sorry...it's too late

If it lives up to what it is supposed to then it will be completely locked down with no aosp based options. Also as all the stuff will be tied to blackberries servers even if you did manage to unlock it you might find a device that is useless

zelendel said:
Also as all the stuff will be tied to blackberries servers even if you did manage to unlock it you might find a device that is useless
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Only BBM goes through the BlackBerry servers now, unless you're using it on a BES exchange.

Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I think it's a "wait and see" type of situation where we have to see if someone with the knowhow is able to root it and go from there.
Like Zel said, probably won't get custom roms, due to the advertised features of the device but I'm hoping, at the very least, the phone is successful and other OEMs start taking physical keyboarded devices seriously and make decent phones with them like they did when android was young. Could you imagine if Samsung, for example, made a GS7 variant that took physical keyboards as seriously as the note series takes big screens & wacom pens?

I think Priv will come with 2 OSes loaded, and you are prompted from the first boot to choose your preferred OS. So just choose BB10
Or go with Passport or classic, really good phone

vutranloc said:
I think Priv will come with 2 OSes loaded, and you are prompted from the first boot to choose your preferred OS. So just choose BB10
Or go with Passport or classic, really good phone
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This will not be an option. This would remove all the security that BB will depend on. I mean BB will most likely even use hardware crypto keys as well as the new security from qualcom that will refuse to boot if it detects system changes.

zelendel said:
This will not be an option. This would remove all the security that BB will depend on. I mean BB will most likely even use hardware crypto keys as well as the new security from qualcom that will refuse to boot if it detects system changes.
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Well these 2 images show the ortherwise...
- Here the passport have quick toggle labeled "switch to android"
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
- Here the "slider" (priv) have this selection in first booting

vutranloc said:
Well these 2 images show the ortherwise...
- Here the passport have quick toggle labeled "switch to android"
- Here the "slider" (priv) have this selection in first booting
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That is odd indeed. As this would bypass all the security that BB has worked very hard to come up with. Ill have to look into this more. The only devices that I know that dual boot are Asia based knock offs.
Thanks for the info will dig in and ping a few people about this.

zelendel said:
That is odd indeed. As this would bypass all the security that BB has worked very hard to come up with. Ill have to look into this more. The only devices that I know that dual boot are Asia based knock offs.
Thanks for the info will dig in and ping a few people about this.
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Sure things no problem
But in fact I think this will do no harm, as the choice is permanent: You get to choose 1, and to stick with it till you factory reset the phone. In some phones (eg, for the gov or firms) you only get BB10 or android, in commercial edition you get both, but only use 1 at a time

I'm pretty sure that OS selection theory was well debunked in the Crackberry forums. People looked at that Passport image, and if you look closely at that switch to Android button, it doesn't quite have the right dimensions or separation from the other setting buttons.

vutranloc said:
I think Priv will come with 2 OSes loaded, and you are prompted from the first boot to choose your preferred OS. So just choose BB10
Or go with Passport or classic, really good phone
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There is only one OS loaded on the Priv, and that's Android.
The dual boot BB10/Android dream was just that... a dream. It only existed in photoshop, not in the real world.

Phill_UK said:
There is only one OS loaded on the Priv, and that's Android.
The dual boot BB10/Android dream was just that... a dream. It only existed in photoshop, not in the real world.
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Still I do hope of BB10 on Priv. For my needs BB10 is perfectly fine

Sorry this is absolute fantasy - it's an android phone running 5.1 - Google never has and never will sign off on a dual-boot. There is no dual-boot, no hypervisor - it's a virtually stock android device with a few interesting hardware features, some Blackberry specific software and that's it. BB10 doesn't even support the resolution of the screen and all work beyond security patches has finished on that OS.

vutranloc said:
Well these 2 images show the ortherwise...
- Here the passport have quick toggle labeled "switch to android"
- Here the "slider" (priv) have this selection in first booting
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You do realize that those are doctored photos right? It was confirm that the switch to android was someone with too much time on their hands with a BES account.

achiquitachaser said:
You do realize that those are doctored photos right? It was confirm that the switch to android was someone with too much time on their hands with a BES account.
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Still you say it is possible right?

vutranloc said:
Still you say it is possible right?
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No. No one said BB10/Android dual booting or OS selection was/is/ever will be a thing.

pluto7443 said:
No. No one said BB10/Android dual booting or OS selection was/is/ever will be a thing.
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Actually the guy above you said it might be possible with bes

Can it be done? Yes. It could be done. The question at hand us will it be done. To be honest I wouldn't give it better then a 5% chance off it happening. If it even does it will be an Asia based knock off running Android and what ever.

vutranloc said:
Actually the guy above you said it might be possible with bes
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He meant it was someone with BES who managed to make the option appear. Go search crackberry for the various threads on this, it has already been discussed to death.