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Anyone found a Universal-specific in-car power mount?

Hi, anyone found a Universal-specific in-car power mount? I use the Brodit system at present with the power plug built into the dashboard holder, but they have yet to release one that fits the Universal

Same problem
I also use a Brodit car mount and keep checking thie website, but so far to no avail.
I will keep checking andupdate here when Brodit produce a compatible mount.

The web site is http://www.brodit.com/?l=1 but I'd suggest anyone interested in this, rather than just wait, let them know it's wanted by e-mailing them at [email protected]

Hooking a 5V 1A to the mini-USB connector is not rocket science.

Sorry cr2 but how does this give me a "mount" or a "holder"? Check out the Brodit web site above to see what we're after.

Reply from Brodit:
"We are going to release that holder in the end of this month I don't have a exact date.
It will only be on vertical mode. Futher in the future we will also have with a USB-Contact."
How on earth are they gonna make it vertical? The power socket it on the side :?

Brodit have just told me it will be a 'passive' not 'active' holder, meaning it will just be a lump of plastic with no power plug built in, so you have to fumble for the car charger each time and plug that in manually.
Plus it will hold the device vertically, when of course for SatNav you'd want it horizontally. The view out of your car windscreen is horizontal after all.
So we're back to square one. Anyone found a good holder yet for the device?

i think it means the veiw screen will be in portrait rather than landscape

Exactly. What's the point of that, when all good satnavs are landscape.

Personally I'm after a vertical car kit mount.
I run destinator 3 which I had on my Himalaya in an oem vertical car kit, which worked great for me.
When you used to use the old book style road maps did you tend to hold the book on its side to match your windscreen?

Never used old book maps, but have used a built-in SatNav and if you notice, they are always, and I mean always horizontal.

Well in that case, as was with the XDA2 / XDA2i mount that Brodit do, you can just turn it!

That's great, only problem is it still isn't an active mount, you have to plug in the charger manually. They great thing normally about the Brodit mounts is they include the charger plug.
Anyway back to topic, has anyone found a mount with charging facility yet? Must be some on the way surely... somewhere...

TytN II Not charging with Brodit active carholder - What's wrong?

I bought a Brodit Carholder (without cigarette lighter plug) and when i put the TytN II in it the batterycharge lamp blinks but the battery don't really charge.
So I send the Brodit active carholder back for RMA. Yesterday I received a brand new one this time with sigarette lighter plug. But I have the same thing, charging lamp blinks, even the system/energy says the TytN II is charging, but he isn't really.
I did also a hard reset but the result stays the same.
I also marked 'charging with computer connected' on and off.
Brodit tells that my serie is not affected with the bug like in the sticky post in this forum.
I have also a standard cigarette lighter plug with standard mini-USB 5 volt output and this thing works great. The TytN II charges very fast then. Also connected with my computer it charges fine, and also with the included normal 220V/5V charger. Just with the Brodit carholder it does NOT charge.
All tests (except the normal 220V/5V charger) in the same car of course.
Should I try a third carholder or is it possible that there is something wrong with the USB port of my TyTN II? (I guess not because it charges good with a normal standard cigarette mini USB charger ... ?)
I'm desperate. Thanks for any advises!
Johan

Vervaeck , see my post over at modaco http://www.modaco.com/content/HTC-Kaiser-Kaiser-MoDaCo-com/261974/Major-Car-Charging-Issue/.
Not sure what's going on, but there's definitely something not quite right.

answered here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=343951

nm8: that supposes that the phone does not charge at all, not simply not through the brodit. There seems to be an issue with some car chargers not charging the handset. Read my post over at modaco to see what I mean.

@squiggs1982
Wow, seems I'm not alone. Weird that some TyTN II's seems to work with Brodit, others don't. But on your link I found indeed the same problem described, but NO solution, or am I wrong?
@nm8
Sorry, but I read very well that sticky post and before I mailed to Brodit with my serial and they answered that it was no problem with my serial nr.
It is also not a question of power capacity, I tryed the brodit with a labo 5V 2A stabylasid transformator. It was not working either. 2A is for sure enough.
(excuse my bad english)

Strange, i just installed my BRODIT carholder (no cigrette lighter version), and it charges perfectly. Orange light glows, and the icon shows its charging.
vervaeck said:
I bought a Brodit Carholder (without cigarette lighter plug) and when i put the TytN II in it the batterycharge lamp blinks but the battery don't really charge.
So I send the Brodit active carholder back for RMA. Yesterday I received a brand new one this time with sigarette lighter plug. But I have the same thing, charging lamp blinks, even the system/energy says the TytN II is charging, but he isn't really.
I did also a hard reset but the result stays the same.
I also marked 'charging with computer connected' on and off.
Brodit tells that my serie is not affected with the bug like in the sticky post in this forum.
I have also a standard cigarette lighter plug with standard mini-USB 5 volt output and this thing works great. The TytN II charges very fast then. Also connected with my computer it charges fine, and also with the included normal 220V/5V charger. Just with the Brodit carholder it does NOT charge.
All tests (except the normal 220V/5V charger) in the same car of course.
Should I try a third carholder or is it possible that there is something wrong with the USB port of my TyTN II? (I guess not because it charges good with a normal standard cigarette mini USB charger ... ?)
I'm desperate. Thanks for any advises!
Johan
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Try this
TYTN users (Hermes) have a similar issue where the phone charges intermittently from the car charger. Usually if you do a soft reset it starts to charge but not always. My imate branded Hermes has this issue but the europeon equivalent does not - figure that out? Anyways, I bought the following to resolve it: http://www.pocketpctechs.com/main.asp?unit=i-mate_JASJAM-650&area=accessories-lil%27+sync%AE+cable+accessories&item=LSP%2DDUOADPT01
I just bought the Kaiser yesterday and will report back how it behaves to verify the above.

I had a similar issue with my brodit active holder in one car I used.
Instead I got the passive brodit holder and did my passive to active mod on it using a 3-in-1 splitter and an HTC car charger. Works perfectly in all cars I have tried it in so far.
I think it is an issue to do with your alternator not being earthed properly or something. Do you have an aux in on your car stereo? If you do and you plug the Kaiser in to the aux socket and play music on the Kaiser, do you hear a whine through the speakers when you accelerate? If so, look up "Alternator Whine".

Okay turns out, my Brodit charger is NOT charging at all.
IT shows that it is charging, but does nto charge the battery one bit. Using the AC adapter charges, as does the USB cable on my computer.
Waht the hell.

This post is not specific to TyTN II but it might be true for it:
http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/hermes-black-rom-support/11607-black-satin-problem-car-charger.html

I installed a Brodit active carholder today (fixed install, not the cigarette lighter one) and I'm also not getting charge. Only difference is I'm not getting anything...orange charging light on the phone doesn't turn on, battery icon doesn't show charging.
My phones charges fine using USB cable on my PC so it shouldn't be the blown USB port issue.
The green light on the Brodit charging box is on. If I measure power on the pins of the 6 pin molex connector, I get 5.34V on the red wire and 5.30V on the yellow wire. I get no voltage on the other three wires. Is this right? The 4pin Molex is not used, right?

Fourgig said:
I installed a Brodit active carholder today (fixed install, not the cigarette lighter one) and I'm also not getting charge. Only difference is I'm not getting anything...orange charging light on the phone doesn't turn on, battery icon doesn't show charging.
My phones charges fine using USB cable on my PC so it shouldn't be the blown USB port issue.
The green light on the Brodit charging box is on. If I measure power on the pins of the 6 pin molex connector, I get 5.34V on the red wire and 5.30V on the yellow wire. I get no voltage on the other three wires. Is this right? The 4pin Molex is not used, right?
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Thats correct. The 4pin molex is for GPS modules requiring power.
I was waiting until the new year to check back with the person i bought it from to figure out what the hell is wrong with this thing.

Got off the phone from the representative for proclips, and they are talking to sweden.
Looking forward to resolution.

I submitted a support email a few days ago and I'm waiting for a response from them. Will probably give them a call tomorrow though. I figure if they get a bunch of calls about this issue, maybe it will light a fire under their butts and get them to resolve this quickly.

Charging - which lead...?

Thought I was being clever earlier, and dug out one of my spare mini-USB leads to connect the HD to my laptop, leaving the supplied HTC lead in the mains plug (just to save faffing round).
Activesync wasn't having it though
Which makes me think that either the extra squared off corner contains an extra data pin, or HTC have swapped connectors round in there somewhere.
So - cos I'l just a little bit scared about frying my nice new phone - has anyone charged their HD using a standard mini-USB cable plugged into the mains plug thing, or do we have to use the HTC one?
(sorry mods, wasn't sure if this ought to go in the accessory section or not!)

Yes, I initially charged and synced my HD with a cable that I'd used on my Polaris and probably my Artemis before that.
I had a sense that it maybe didn't charge as quickly on the old lead and so switched to the new lead, but on reflection that was quite possibly because it was the initial charge.
I also use a standard charger in the car with no issues whatsoever

fantastic - thank you very much!

My Mod: Extended 2400mah battery with induction charging

I didn't buy the HTC extended battery but one from amazon sold by Karen Deals. Link is below
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0..._m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0NVM3EA1B2VE9HN3AKMA
Battery
Model No: cs-ht8585xl
Part No: 35h000128-00m, ba s400
Rating: 3.7v 2400mah
Lithium Ion
Induction Unit
Palm Pixi charging back with Palm touchstone charging dock
Operating System
Shubcraft 1.4d
Video:
Images are attached below!
Induction charging has the same charging speed as plugging it into a wall outlet. Very fast!
Sidenote:
I tried using a multimeter with the 3 contacts located under the battery and could not get it to register anything (with and without the charger plugged in). I then tried shooting 5v through it using 6 different combination (2 plugs for 3 contacts) and still couldn't get anything. If anyone knows a way to use these 3 contacts for charging please leave feedback. Also if anyone can find a minature microusb male connection that'd be great.

Well done, it's a really nice mod!
The 2400 mAh is a bit too bulky for me, though the extended uptime must be awesome. I'd even consider something similar, were it not that you're using the microusb to charge. If only you could connect it straight to the battery, would be so much more convenient. It'd still work in for instance car kits and attached to a pc.
Never the less, well done.

Looks great, i would try this myself but i cant stand the bulk of extended batteries and the stock metal back would almost defiantly interfere with the current. Where did you get the decal from?

Angelusz said:
Well done, it's a really nice mod!
The 2400 mAh is a bit too bulky for me, though the extended uptime must be awesome. I'd even consider something similar, were it not that you're using the microusb to charge. If only you could connect it straight to the battery, would be so much more convenient. It'd still work in for instance car kits and attached to a pc.
Never the less, well done.
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You can't plug in directly to the battery since the battery doesn't have a balancer board on it and it would explode if it were to be overcharged without one.
JJbdoggg said:
Looks great, i would try this myself but i cant stand the bulk of extended batteries and the stock metal back would almost defiantly interfere with the current. Where did you get the decal from?
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I got the decal in the automotive section of Walmart. It came with 2 big/4small stickers for 7usd
UPDATE: Made the microusb head smaller! Letting liquid electrical tape dry then I'll post pics.

this is a really nice mod. what about the possiblly of going via the nav panel connectors instead of micro usb. this would as far as i know leave the usb port free and also not have the disadvantage of having a usb connector attached which can be easily damged.
Personalyu i wouldnt do this mod as i use my phone to tether a hell of a lot so it seems pointless to me, but being able to just sit your phone down and have it charge is awesome.
Great work!!!!

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this is a really nice mod. what about the possiblly of going via the nav panel connectors instead of micro usb. this would as far as i know leave the usb port free and also not have the disadvantage of having a usb connector attached which can be easily damged.
Personalyu i wouldnt do this mod as i use my phone to tether a hell of a lot so it seems pointless to me, but being able to just sit your phone down and have it charge is awesome.
Great work!!!!
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I tired the navpanel connections with no success. If anyone has a multimeter please try to do it to theirs (with charger plugged in).

that is really odd....only think i can think of is manye theres something that needs to happen with the middle pin.

nice work i think that decal are very cute indeed!

PPL this is knowed from a long time! This pins are used for example with Car Kit like CU s400: http://www.slashgear.com/htc-hd2-cu-s400-car-kit-gets-priced-detailed-coming-december-1360143/
This car kit is in two versions: like this on 1st photo - use other battery cover which use this "mysterious" pins to run NaviPanel and charging battery and 2nd version with charging via microUSB port.
I hope this helps a bit.
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that is really odd....only think i can think of is manye theres something that needs to happen with the middle pin.
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This "odd" middle pin you can find in every phone battery too. If you depart any battery you can find there a little electronic circuit.
I think, that this pin is used to metering battery charge, but i can be wrong - im not advanced in electornics.

I'm well aware of the existance of these products but cannot figure out what the three contacts below the batteries are.

Maybe some users having one. In that case he/she can make photos of all connectors or better - check it with multimeter which connector is +, - and this middle one.
Maybe some service manuals can tell something more abt this. I searched for it and i did'nt find nothing useful.

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Maybe some users having one. In that case he/she can make photos of all connectors or better - check it with multimeter which connector is +, - and this middle one.
Maybe some service manuals can tell something more abt this. I searched for it and i did'nt find nothing useful.
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I also did a search on google and xda but with no luck. I don't think it inputs 5v into the machine since I did shoot 5v into the 3 connectors using different combination.

Hi all,
The contact closest to the center of the phone (looking along the longest axis of the phone) is the +5V, the one furthest from the +5V is the ground, and there's a small voltage on the center contact, positive to ground. These +5V voltage shows up (on my phone) only when the mini-USB charger is plugged in.
I've got the +5V terminal of the Pre plate attached to the +5V contact on the phone, and the other one attached to the GND contact. Inductive charging works at 341ma (as measure by the hardware and read by BattClock) at maximum, which is probably not coincidentally also the limit set on USB charging, at least from my laptop.
I tried hooking the Touchstone up to a Apple ~1" cubed charger, didn't get any charge. I haven't read the USB power specifications, but according to the people at the Palm forums you have to have a USB spec power-capable charger to initialize the Touchstone, and the USB ICs signal this by connecting the two data lines. This can be approximated by clipping a USB cable and twisting the data lines together on the Touchstone side of the cable. This allowed the Apple charger to power the Touchstone.
The HTC stock charger works fine, as does an 800ma Verizon charger I had laying around. I tried hooking the Touchstone up to both a [email protected] switching charger and a 5V 8A supply, the Touchstone still charged at 341ma. I'm guessing this is software, firmware or hardware limited, just like the computer USB connection. I would speculate that if you shorted the middle pin to the ground pin, it might remove this restriction. Or fry your phone, I didn't try it.
There's a guy on the Pre forums who got the Touchstone to consume about 1.02A (http://forums.precentral.net/palm-p...b-adapters-touchstone-dock-2.html#post2020491) so the thing can, apparently transfer some power. I don't know how long it would last at those wattages, but I'm going to read a bit on the USB power spec and see if the 341ma limit can be lifted.
It's kind of nice to use the internal connector, because it leaves the microUSB port open. If anyone has any questions feel free to ask. With the relevant portion of the Pre cover stuck to the back of my phone, there are no wires out of the chassis and the added part doesn't add any considerable bulk to the phone. It protrudes less than the camera.
Anyways, hope this isn't a thread-jack or too long, but I figured it might help anyone that's going to take the time to do this.
Thanks to the community here.

Did you dremel and hotglue the plastic case to the metal case? Interweb highfive from me to you!
Can you post pictures of the inside wiring please?

I did. I basically cut out a square from the HD2 back large enough to hold the coiled length of wire that is needed to allow the back to be removed and articulated. Then I used Super Glue to fix the section of the Pre back containing the inductive coil and circuitry to the HD2 back.
If you're trying to maintain your warranty I might suggest DigiKey part number 478-4687-1-ND, it's from the AVX "MOBO Spring Contact Interconnect Solutions" catalog under battery connectors (I can send you a .pdf copy of the catalog, it's too big to upload to forum). This is a 3mm pitch connector that should mate well with the internal connector - but - I don't have calipers so I would measure before ordering. I just soldered the wires to my HD2.
I'll post some pictures soonish.
And yeah, high five for sure. Thanks for pioneering this. My last phone was retired when the power connector became flaky, so it's nice not to have to worry about the contact wearing out.

Ur mod is on a dutch popular website!
http://tweakers.net/nieuws/69360/mod-maakt-draadloos-laden-mogelijk-op-htc-hd2.html

Right angle micro-usb
I'm looking to do the same thing with my Vibrant and have been searching for a similar connector. I just did a quick google search and found these angled connectors:
http://www.usbfirewire.com/u_microb_cables_angled.html

I tried soldering it your way with no sucess
Soldering pins are as shown
(If viewing vertically with top up)
(leftside of hd2) negative x positive (center of hd2)

bumping an old thread to see if you've taken pictures of the contact points yet.

Sorry it took me so long to reply. Two pictures, the first is the terminal with the wires soldered in, the second shows how I got the cables from the Palm coil/board through the cover. The terminals as you look along the longest axis of the phone with the microUSB plug closest to you are GND, something, and +5v.
So from left to right: 1 GND / 2 ? / 3 +5v.

Incredible car project

I've had my Incredible for a month or two now, and rooted it the day I picked it up. I've dug all over this forum learning the ins and outs of this phone, and figured I'd finally give something back.
Car audio has always been a big hobby of mine, and I actually competed in sound quality a couple of years back. So, while researching the Incredible, as soon as I discovered the tv-out cable, my first thought was to feed it into my car. I was very proud of myself thinking I was the first person to come up with this...until I started searching, and realized I wasn't. At all.
Either way, it was hard finding info on this solution because google pulls nothing but details about the cable, and very little on the solution, so I figured I'd put what I've got here.
I have a 2005 Honda Accord with the factory 6 disc changer in the dash. The dual zone climate controls are integrated into the factory radio, so if you remove it, you lose that functionality (which I didn't want to do). There is a large storage pocket that is removable underneath the radio that allows for an aftermarket head unit, and lower dash kits are available for doing that.
I've gotten out of competition, and just have the factory deck now, but wanted a way to play music from any phone I had. PAC makes auxiliary input adapters that integrate with factory radios for just about any car. I bought one for my car, installed it, and can now plug in anything via 3.5mm headphone jack or by RCA.
When I got the phone, my first idea was a car dock where I could plug in the headphone jack and then charge it, but I hated the idea of having to deal with two cables every time. I had started off using CM7, liked it, but read people complaining about no tv-out functionality, which I could care less about, but the option being available meant that audio going out would be no problem, and since the cable has another input for charging, I could have a one plug solution, and so the project began.
I flashed my phone to SR4.0 to have the tv-out capability, (and love the ROM. I like a lot of the more sense based layouts)
First, the cable. The phone only recognizes tv-out when the video input is connected. This posed a problem for me, as I only needed audio. If the solution has been posted before, I couldn't find it, but if you take a female rca jack, or use a male rca jack with a coupler, and short the signal and ground wires together, the phone goes into tv-out mode and will send audio. I had a cheap pair of radio shack rca's laying around, and cut one end off to test this, and it worked flawlessly. In car audio, they're called muting plugs, and are used to troubleshoot engine noise issues.
Second, the charger. I didn't want to use my car charger port, so after some light research to make sure I wasn't missing anything, I confirmed you can take a car charger apart, solder a ground wire to the wire connected to the metal that sticks out of the side of the charger, and solder a power wire to the part going to the tip. On the charger I used, a fuse was inline, and if you want to retain that, you can use a large zip tie and heatshrink to retain it. I didn't b/c the charger was cheap, and if something was to ever short, it'd burn that out first. Regardless, solder leads to power and ground, and then tap into the wiring going into your factory accessory outlet (or cigarette lighter). Use a test light or multimeter to determine power from ground.
Third, the dock. Google sucks at finding good horizontal docking solutions. My first idea was to buy a horizontal cradle and fab it into the lower dash kit, but that's a lot of cutting, as well as having to remove the usb plug on the dock (because it's not extUSB), and really at the end of the day, you just need an L shaped piece of plastic with a hole cut out where the usb is. I was looking at Droid X docks with my friend, and noticed there are a lot of swivel mount car docks for that phone, and thought that'd be a lot easier to do. Further searching led me to proclip.com where they have docks for about any mobile device. *I tried posting a link, but spam got me* I found them while searching for docks thanks to someone on an ATV forum linking the site. It seems people are using their droids for navigation while going off-roading, and use these docks to keep them anchored.
On the quick search at the bottom of the main page, check the box saying you already have a mount, then under holders, select HTC Incredible to pull up the docks. I purchased 511147, holder with tilt swivel, and received it two days after ordering. It's very rugged, and the swivel seems well built. The mount on the right provides room to comfortably plug in a charger or cable, and I'm going to fab a piece to attach the tv-out cable and charger, and route the wire behind it and through the kit. The dock will be attached to the lower dash kit, and a little ABS plastic, epoxy putty, and paint will smooth over any seams. The other nice thing about this for me is the lower dash kit has a cutout for an aftermarket radio, and a spare pocket underneath. Using the dock, I still have full use of the pocket.
If you don't want to do this much custom fabrication, you can use one of their solutions. On the main page, select your car make and model, and they will provide you with the mounts they have. Their mounts attach to the car without screws or tape, and then from there you select your dock, which attaches to the mount.
Sorry this is long and somewhat rambly, but I've seen a lot of posts and questions asking about this kind of solution, with no clear definitive answer. I drove to work this morning listening to pandora via the tv out cable on my factory radio, with the phone being charged and zero problems.
Another side note, there is an adapter for the HTC Hero that is an extUSB plug that goes into a piece that has extUSB input, power input, and 3.5mm out. It's a lot more ideal for this solution, but doesn't work. The extUSB plug is shaped differently, and the pinouts are laid out differently in the plug. If someone was good at soldering, it'd make an even cleaner solution, as you could rout the adapter behind the dash and plug everything into it.
If someone was interested in swapping the ends on that adapter with one that'd fit the Incredible, I'd be willing to pay for it, just for the lower profile and aesthetics of what I'm doing.
I'll update this with pictures once I get it all installed. Hopefully this is helpful, and I didn't just waste a bunch of time typing what was in another post that I've been unable to find.

Thanks for wasting 5 minutes of my life. Just kidding. Thanks for the write up. Can't wait to see pictures.
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I was going to wait and reply later, But I have been reading up on this subject, There are a lot of people using pads and removing there radios. So to see a phone doing this hope the pics are good

It'll be next week before I can get any up, headed out of town for the weekend tomorrow, but will grab pics of what I have now and will show the install progress as I go.
Hopefully I can get to 11 posts between now and then so I can throw up pics and links to what's going on.