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Yup Yup Yup, I've decided to make a poll on the most debated Topic on here, simply i want to know if all x10 owners here feel the same way like me or not..
And also to give any new comer an idea about the status of the community, so
what do you expect you will see first on your device ?
- Devs here cracking the bootloader and Flashing a 2.2 Rom and giving us freedom to the world of modding.
- SE release the 2.1 update at the end of the month - and don't argue about the date pleaseeeeeee, i am sick of it - followed by the 2.2 update early next year which is a lot of time, but we don't have a choice...
you can get an extra point if you explain your opinion bases
One More Thing :
For Gods Sake, don't talk about :
- screen color support
- multi***** - you can guess it -
- Any other debated topic that have been discussed Zillions of times here Cause it just makes me fall asleep while reading it..
happy voting
If you don't know what is the new features you will get by updating.. here are a few from what have been posted here :
Android 2.1 :
- 720p Video recording.
- Live Wallpaper.
- Language support ( Arabic, etc.. )
- BT voice dial ( added 2.1 ? )
- more applications supported in Market ( Twitter, etc.. )
Android 2.2 :
-Have a faster phone, with JIT.
-To have faster web browsing (V8 Javascript engine).
-To be able to run ALL apps.
-To move apps to SD, if needed, to free space.
-To not have pixelated icons and images in apps - I think that this is probably due to the new resources layout - drawable-hdpi, mdpi etc.
- Flash support.
- push support for applications.
- Hotspot Option.
- 5x faster performance.
ehm - about the ( 3.0 ) in the title, its just to make the thread intersting ( don't daydream about it )
Umm here is the problem.
What are the features that make it stand out from one tier to another.
It is basically a movement of numbers to me.
What is the real differences between 1.6 ro 2.1 ?
720 recording, live wallpaper....and what else?
Then from 2.1 to 2.2
....flash support....? what else?
then from 2.2 to the rumored 3.0
No idea, maybe it shoot beams of laser or maybe allow you to call UMA.
Seriously, there are just numbers that is moving around. Things that can live or live without it. I am perfectly fine with 1.6 right now. Sorry, i am a Window XP user with 3 other pc with vista and win 7.
I still like win xp more, it feel a lot solid.
What i do like is SE fix that problem with this "force close" on some random in-bound calls and remove that damn slider.
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What is the real differences between 1.6 ro 2.1 ?
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More language support ?
believe me , just thinking about the whole applications that require 2.0+ , the push in 2.2 , beside all you just said..
Knowing your phone can do many things it can't do right now cause of a stupid limitation that can be fixed ... some people can't bear that thought - including me -
mezo9090 said:
More language support ?
believe me , just thinking about the whole applications that require 2.0+ , the push in 2.2 , beside all you just said..
Knowing your phone can do many things it can't do right now cause of a stupid limitation that can be fixed ... some people can't bear that thought - including me -
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Also, with 2.1, the X10 can finally connect to WPA wifi networks
wrongfeifong said:
Umm here is the problem.
What are the features that make it stand out from one tier to another.
It is basically a movement of numbers to me.
What is the real differences between 1.6 ro 2.1 ?
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Fantastic to meet the only other person on the planet that isn't in a contest to get a higher number on the device
Upgrading for the sake of upgrading is .... fill in the blank.
I stopped the firmware upgrade at 024 since the phone is working "great" now so I don't see any value in an upgrade to 026 +. Unless something worth while is enhanced. Since there's no change log it's a little tough to see what the improvements are.
As to the Android 2.1, 2.2, 3.0, 99.9 unless there is true improvement in valid areas I could really not care less. (my personal feeling)
The ONLY feature I'm missing right now is Bluetooth Voice Dial which should have been in the very first release of Android.
2x-5x faster .. don't care, it's already fast. 720p video .... not interested. Hotspot, nope.
If you want and/or need those features then upgrading is great but the X10 pretty much already does what I need with 1.6. (except BT VD)
OMG, i felt in love with your post... Rly, we used to the updates, no matter what it brings. Diffrence between updates isn't important, the number of it is the main benefit. I think 1,6 of Xperia is rly well rounded. There is few things which should be improved, but it's rather improvement than hugh change. Im sick of reading the next post about how SE rude is waiting with upgrade to 2.1... Im not againts this, but ppl try to let it all hang out, just take a rest of writing next threats, enjoy your great mobile phone.
after 2.2 will android jump all the way too 3.0. or will they be like 2.3 and so on? just curios cause that would mean after 2.2 our phones wont be able to handle 3.0
The main benefit of 2.2 over 2.1 is the fact that it is at least twice as quick.. it's damned fast.. That would be my reason for wanting 2.2.. having said that though.. I'm not desperate for it.. my phone runs very well on 1.6..
I would love to just have 2.2.
3.0 . . I would never expect to see it unfortunately.
I really dont want 2.2 cooked firmware which has even 1 thing not working. I see a lot custom firmwares and there it says "...most of the stuff works" or "Camera not working" etc. I would NEVER put any ROM that is not 100% functional, I would rather use 2.1 that works than 3.0 that has no camera working. I really dont understand that, my last phone was Omnia HD and the man named HyperX is making custom firmwares for that phone, on his ROMs there can only be some extra stuff that are working and which are not in Samsung ROMS but everything else is working, and it is working better than Samsung original ROMs. So I really dont understand this Android ROMs, I always want clean ROM without some default apps and with everything else in it that makes the phone better, necer looking, who doesnt want it, he can easily remove it with Titanium Backup. That is my vision...
Nice to find other people happy not chasing the numbers ... I thinks Sony did a pretty fine job with 1.6. Looking forward to their version of 2.1, pretty sure they'll do a fine job of it too.
Only thing I'd slightly miffed about is no flash
I do like the Rachel UI, but an optimized FroYo ROM is better to me than official Eclair.
I don't care about upgrades at all. As already mentioned here I just want flash support and faster speed. The rest to me is pointless, sure 720p recording is cool but the more I think about how often I take videos the more I realize I probably wont take advantage of it. Remember when phones didn't have upgrades? When you bought the phone and used it for 1-2 years plus and it was the same thing the whole time? Those were the days...
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wrongfeifong said:
Then from 2.1 to 2.2
....flash support....? what else?
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Dalvik JIT and V8 engine..
mezo9090 said:
More language support ?
believe me , just thinking about the whole applications that require 2.0+ , the push in 2.2 , beside all you just said..
Knowing your phone can do many things it can't do right now cause of a stupid limitation that can be fixed ... some people can't bear that thought - including me -
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Exactly.
Zaslav said:
I don't care about upgrades at all. As already mentioned here I just want flash support and faster speed. The rest to me is pointless, sure 720p recording is cool but the more I think about how often I take videos the more I realize I probably wont take advantage of it. Remember when phones didn't have upgrades? When you bought the phone and used it for 1-2 years plus and it was the same thing the whole time? Those were the days...
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I probably won't use the 720p video recording, but probably the DLNA support.
Although, I know what you mean about the 1 to 2 years usage of phones, without an upgrade. To be honest, this only really happened with the first iPhone, and then in an even more accelerated way, with Android, and as more manufacturers are bringing out more Android phones, it means that they have to work harder to upgrade all of them at the speedy pace Google is moving at, and customize them too.
I just want the latest firmware (2.2+) to:
-Have a faster phone, with JIT.
-To have faster web browsing (V8 Javascript engine), and flash support, so that I don't have to hope that Skyfire will work for me.
-To be able to run ALL apps.
-To move apps to SD, if needed, to free space.
-To not have pixelated icons and images in apps - I think that this is probably due to the new resources layout - drawable-hdpi, mdpi etc.
- Lots more stuff that I can't remember...
BUT, I think we'll get 2.1 from SE before the custom bootloader/SPL is (nearly) bug-free, and can be flashed easily and safely. Hopefully, I'm wrong, and we'll have Froyo on our X10's by next week!
But the main problem I have, which is a bit off-topic, is that:
Will SE patch the root exploits when 2.1 is released, or even upgrade the bootloader, (or radio), without us knowing, to stop all progress completely - like Sony did, and still does, with the PSP?
aodmisery said:
after 2.2 will android jump all the way too 3.0. or will they be like 2.3 and so on? just curios cause that would mean after 2.2 our phones wont be able to handle 3.0
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Logical fallacy.
If a supposed 3.0 update contained "X", "Y" and "Z", but got changed to version 2.3 with "X", "Y", and "Z", the phone could theoretically run it because the version number is lower?
Think before you type. A larger number means absolutely nothing in terms of whether the phone could handle it.
HunteronX said:
But the main problem I have, which is a bit off-topic, is that:
Will SE patch the root exploits when 2.1 is released, or even upgrade the bootloader, (or radio), without us knowing, to stop all progress completely - like Sony did, and still does, with the PSP?
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Most likely yes.
And i find it normal as is a security flaw in the phone.
So, don't do any SEUS/OTA/Companion upgrades if you want to keep root.
iead1 said:
Logical fallacy.
If a supposed 3.0 update contained "X", "Y" and "Z", but got changed to version 2.3 with "X", "Y", and "Z", the phone could theoretically run it because the version number is lower?
Think before you type. A larger number means absolutely nothing in terms of whether the phone could handle it.
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he probably heard that "minimum" requirements for Gingerbread..
aodmisery said:
after 2.2 will android jump all the way too 3.0. or will they be like 2.3 and so on? just curios cause that would mean after 2.2 our phones wont be able to handle 3.0
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Don't Daydream ? thats what i was afraid of
damirbusic said:
I really dont want 2.2 cooked firmware which has even 1 thing not working. I see a lot custom firmwares and there it says "...most of the stuff works" or "Camera not working" etc. I would NEVER put any ROM that is not 100% functional, I would rather use 2.1 that works than 3.0 that has no camera working.
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i totally agree with you, but i've also seen some custom ones that work 100%, take the CM for example, i saw one myself that was very stable and working for normal daily use..
applebook said:
I do like the Rachel UI, but an optimized FroYo ROM is better to me than official Eclair.
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i think people who buy same phones think alike lol
tuxStyle said:
Most likely yes.
And i find it normal as is a security flaw in the phone.
So, don't do any SEUS/OTA/Companion upgrades if you want to keep root.
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i think if we upgrade to 2.1, we will be able to Flash-Back to 1.6 with the tools present atm ?
note,
i aggregated the info you guys put in the 1# post so if any1 new to x10 or android sees the thread can understand a bit
i don't want it to be a poll-chitchat thread that have no point at all, that would be waste of space
Hi Guys
i have a question it is possiple to port wm7 to x10?
or givs there any roms??
PS: sorry for my bad english =(
We can't either upgrade android version (maybe we can but not in 'full mode') and web should be able to port Wm7 (that couldn't either be ported yet to HD2) to our X10's?
Obviously no, we cant, and moreover, i think we will never can
x10i is a bad phone
Do you think so? ok your opinion. Im proud as a hell of my x10.
Regarding the question:
Maybe one day it might be possible, but i wouldnt be sure. eg. iphone is in progress of transcription to android, so maybe android will be transcripted to wm7, why not?
Kondzioz said:
Do you think so? ok your opinion. Im proud as a hell of my x10.
Regarding the question:
Maybe one day it might be possible, but i wouldnt be sure. eg. iphone is in progress of transcription to android, so maybe android will be transcripted to wm7, why not?
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I trink olso the x10 is an amazing phone
and Android 2.1 olso amazing but i think wm7 is from the designe better
and i would buy no wm7 Mobile because they look all agly
I hob that there were any devoper That make that possiple
The only thing tempting with wp7 for me is the xbox integration, would love to have that!
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prolly the closest your gonna get
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=781455
i would think we might have a chance at porting wm7 to x10 when x7 is released and we have the rom for the x7... that would be ur best bet...
that'd be great but wonder if its possible
Until the bootloader is cracked (allowing us to install whatever ROMs we wish), it's pretty-much impossible we'd ever see any way of installing an alternate OS. Once the bootloader is cracked, if someone were to put forth the effort to port the OS and get things working, technically it should be possible.
My question though is: why?
I'm personally not convinced WP7 is worth anyone's time, especially since it's as closed as iOS. Mind as well get an iPhone.
Wp7 has minimum specs that x10 does not meet. It requires 512 MB ram
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i will never ever back to windows even if i had a chance to.
i used almost all of windows versions and they all sucks and lags alot and have many bugs ... unlike android.
that my opinuin
Hi there, xda people!
I need some help with my decision. I'm looking for a smartphone with a big screen, Wi-Fi, 3G, good camera and a nice design. both of them are ok for my needs and the price doesn't matter. So wonder if you guys, the experts can tell me what the benefits of WP7 are and those of Android. And also: Xperia X10 in Black or in White
What also matters is the compatibility with a Mac and if the device is upgradeable easily and without hacking it.
Wp7 doesn't have many apps at all, and is pretty bland IMO.
It isn't very Customizeable, and for me would be boring only having one homescreen.
You could put android on the hd7 though, so it doesn't have to be a wp7 vs. Android debate
I have an X10i and my wife has the HD7, feel to ask away.
Just a few quick points...
In regards to hardware...
The HD7 feels *much* slimmer but I think it's kind of awkward. I think the curvature of the X10 makes holding the phone nicer. The HD7's curvature is all wrong.
The camera is much nicer on the X10 but a shame that there's no led flash.
The screens are about the same (obviously, HD7 is larger) but I prefer mine as the resolution is higher. But if you're going to use netflix, the HD7 is nice.
The HD7 has a far better touch digitizer.
Software...
You're going to get more Android bias by posting here. If you want to compare stock vs stock, the HD7 is better. No lag, no stutters, no random freezes for 5 seconds (also, not any room for customizing besides the order of your tiles). A lot of common apps I use on my X10, I've begun seeing on the wp7 app marketplace. If you can live without some apps then you would probably be ok for now. WP7 marketplace is nowhere near the size of Android's, but there's a lot less crap software to wade through too.
But with the X10 getting 2.3, I *hope* it changes (and the HD7 getting Mango in the fall). And if you decide to run a different rom, well, then it gets into a whole different scope of discussion.
Upgrade...
As far as upgrading any of those phone on a mac... You can't with the X10. MS has software to do it for the HD7. To upgrade the X10 on a mac you would need to use bootcamp... i'm not sure if there's a flash tool program to load roms for the X10 on the mac (maybe someone who works with macs can chime in here).
u've never thought about the Xperia Arc?
@ totalundone
Thanks for the insight. Does your
wife use alot of google services? Im interested in gmail, reader and gcal
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I had used HD2 from HTC for a while, and I honestly have to say I don't like WM much, the OS is slow and freeze sometimes.
I switched to HTC Aria (AT&T) few months ago and everything is great!, Android is much better with free apps and the ease to customize anything you like.
I upgraded to X10 today, and still looking for some ways to unlock it, my cell is AT&T.
chiewable said:
@ totalundone
Thanks for the insight. Does your
wife use alot of google services? Im interested in gmail, reader and gcal
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Of those, I know she uses gmail. WP7 works perfectly with it. I'll check it out later - see how the search works with it (and labels, etc).
She doesn't use google reader but I think there are a couple apps that work with it.
I know she uses a calendar service on her phone but i'm not sure if it's google's or live's calendar. I'll check it out this afternoon but I think it works pretty good with google's calendar. From what I read, if you put something in on wp7, it sets it as an invite and not event. There's a setting on the web based google calendar to display invites.
There is a google maps app that someone made. It works ok, it shows traffic and all the basic stuff. Unfortunately no real navigation option yet.
eizonuts, I'm guessing the OP is on T-Mobile USA. The HD7 and X10i both work on TMO's AWS spectrum.
It's really hard to recommend one over the other not knowing what the OP is looking for software-wise in a phone. Not to mention that the X10 receiving 2.3 in the next month is huge (well, hopefully).
Thanks for the insight.
Im asking because I'm eligable for a hardware upgrade soon and I'm trying to swap my x10 for a win7 handset for a extended trial run.
Once I pick a platform I'll use my upgrade on a top end handset for that os
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I am just trying to combine all the required things in here so that it is easy for a developer or a newcomer to the world of the Xperia X10 to know what the phone really lacks.
1)Real Multitouch:
After the debate whether the chip of the X10 is Cypress or Clearpad, no progress was made in that direction even fixing the buggy dual touch we have (cross-axes problem) giving us a full dual touch.
2)16 million color:
yes, it may not be so crucial to anyone, but really why don't we get a puppy while we can unleash a dragon, and who doesn't want an extra feature in his phone?
(Thanks Z for the Bravia Engine and the FPS uncap).
3)Unlocked Bootloader:
This is the big deal and the door to unleashing the X10, Custom ROMs and Kernels will be much better, features that SE don't want us to get will be easily achieved (MT, 16M, even porting other OS like WP7 or MeeGo or ice cream sandwich :O), developing for the X10 will be easier and more open, and we would really get a phone that can compete with the Arc.
P.S.: I would like to thank the developers working on the X10 now Z, J, Ericwill, Achotjan, Wolfbreak, Cobrato, Doomlord, kxhawkins, Androxyde, ThJap, viousAD, & Trip.
Guys, without you the X10 would have been a bulk of **** staying in the eclair era with one touch and nothing would have improved, your work has saved us a lot, and we are asking you not to leave us because we really like you.
Please if you have a feature or anything that you feel missing from the phone you can post it, it is just a collection of the flaws in the X10.
I agree with op as well. We certainly need the bootloader its what keeps us from unleashing the beast heck I wouldn't be surprised if x10 is faster than arc
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couldn't we achieve the custom kernels on gingerbread using the bootloader bypass thing?
I think the devs are waiting for se to release kernel sources
OP
I Agree.
I think the problem is and always has been having a developer who can write the drivers. Until then, I don't think it matters.
agentJBM said:
I think the problem is and always has been having a developer who can write the drivers. Until then, I don't think it matters.
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It's much more complex that it seems.
Not even OEMs (SE, HTC, Motorola, you name it) write the device drivers for themselves.
Most of the source is provided by the hardware manufacturer (qualcomm, atheros, broadcom) - and a huge part of it is under NDA (non-disclosure agreement).
Without the thorough documentation and source code examples, it's highly unlikely to write any device driver by your own
Obviously, you could try to reverse-engineer stuff, but it's a "rocket science", even for experienced developers/companies.
Cheers,
z
zdzihu said:
It's much more complex that it seems.
Not even OEMs (SE, HTC, Motorola, you name it) write the device drivers for themselves.
Most of the source is provided by the hardware manufacturer (qualcomm, atheros, broadcom) - and a huge part of it is under NDA (non-disclosure agreement).
Without the thorough documentation and source code examples, it's highly unlikely to write any device driver by your own
Obviously, you could try to reverse-engineer stuff, but it's a "rocket science", even for experienced developers/companies.
Cheers,
z
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So, would you agree that none of this stuff will ever happen without help from the manufacturers or a "Rocket Scientist" Developer?
Edit: Not that you aren't a genius. Just clarifying that we don't have the resources, no matter what.
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we don't have the resources, no matter what.
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Totally agree
Cheers,
z
Stop calling developers some glorified copy pasters of cyanogen mod files.
True.. without source code it becomes string theory.
Rocket science is too easy.
@op you forgot fps cap removal
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Lion3494 said:
@op you forgot fps cap removal
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no he didnt,FPS cap is already removed, just see the android section!!
kunalgahlot said:
no he didnt,FPS cap is already removed, just see the android section!!
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Not to 54 frames buddy. Thats just on stock the 34
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Lion3494 said:
Not to 54 frames buddy. Thats just on stock the 34
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No what he means is its already been achieved with custom kernels.
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I meant to mention things that aren't yet developed for the X10.
A feature that was exciting but was pulled back is the ability to dual boot two roms using xrec 1.0, I liked it despite never using it because it would be beneficial for the future usage :]
At least I thought that in future devs can make dual touch fully working but Z says its not possible without sources
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Wifi Proxy
I thought this new GB will include the support proxy setting. I have seen in some ROM I forget which one it was that have the proxy setting in it.
I know, this is sad, for lots of school, and corporate that have proxy server, most android phone/tablet are not able to connect to the net. This is a big thing if the android want to get to some of corporate and the education sectors of the market.
I hope the DEV would do something that could enable this proxy feature.
Since day one that I have the X10, I have been disappointed with the lack of this feature.
Not to mention that it also lack of the Cisco IPSEC VPN setting as well.
i did'nt ask for a dual core implement or 32 finger multi touch i just asked for a precise dual touch which SE Fails to provide me with!
KInG GaME said:
i did'nt ask for a dual core implement or 32 finger multi touch i just asked for a precise dual touch which SE Fails to provide me with!
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All of us do want that
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First off, I'd like to thank everyone on XDA trying to make modifications to the Atrix. You all have done an exceptional job.
I've owned an Atrix since Early March, upgrading from an iPhone 3G. When I got it, I was very excited at the new possibilities Android gave me for customizing my phone, increasing performance, etc. By the way, this upgrade is a huge step up from my iPhone 3G in terms of performance.
But.
It seems like Android as a whole doesn't really feel like the smartphone experience I hoped for. Sure, I have a laptop dock, it runs most Linux programs compiled for ARM, people are impressed. But the user interface on the phone, the errant bugs on stock builds (I'm using Alien, so no exactly stock, but it also has its downsides), and the apps on the Android Market just don't feel as nice as iOS or Windows Phone 7 (those are the only two mobile OSes I've used). It probably has a lot to do with the large manufacturer control over software instead of Google, the lack of a lot of hardware acceleration in most applications and the user interface (for now, I know!), and overall lack of programming aptitude of some Android developers (There are some damn good apps on Android compared to Apple's Appstore too, but I'm going to have to give this trophy to iOS, and inherently Objective-C).
Granted, I haven't tried CM7 or MIUI largely due to me needing webtop mode for classes (has anyone tried porting that to CM7 yet?). Yes, Ice Cream Sandwich will probably be a hell of a lot better than pretty much any OS out there right now.
I'm very tired right now so this may be long-winded, but in my opinion, it seems like Google and Android phone manufacturers are behind the game right now. Performance can get abysmal if you're on stock, but if you've unlocked your bootloader and installed a fresh ROM, the experience can get a little wacked.
Thoughts? Comments? Rebuttals? I'm all for it.
paravorheim said:
First off, I'd like to thank everyone on XDA trying to make modifications to the Atrix. You all have done an exceptional job.
I've owned an Atrix since Early March, upgrading from an iPhone 3G. When I got it, I was very excited at the new possibilities Android gave me for customizing my phone, increasing performance, etc. By the way, this upgrade is a huge step up from my iPhone 3G in terms of performance.
But.
It seems like Android as a whole doesn't really feel like the smartphone experience I hoped for. Sure, I have a laptop dock, it runs most Linux programs compiled for ARM, people are impressed. But the user interface on the phone, the errant bugs on stock builds (I'm using Alien, so no exactly stock, but it also has its downsides), and the apps on the Android Market just don't feel as nice as iOS or Windows Phone 7 (those are the only two mobile OSes I've used). It probably has a lot to do with the large manufacturer control over software instead of Google, the lack of a lot of hardware acceleration in most applications and the user interface (for now, I know!), and overall lack of programming aptitude of some Android developers (There are some damn good apps on Android compared to Apple's Appstore too, but I'm going to have to give this trophy to iOS, and inherently Objective-C).
Granted, I haven't tried CM7 or MIUI largely due to me needing webtop mode for classes (has anyone tried porting that to CM7 yet?). Yes, Ice Cream Sandwich will probably be a hell of a lot better than pretty much any OS out there right now.
I'm very tired right now so this may be long-winded, but in my opinion, it seems like Google and Android phone manufacturers are behind the game right now. Performance can get abysmal if you're on stock, but if you've unlocked your bootloader and installed a fresh ROM, the experience can get a little wacked.
Thoughts? Comments? Rebuttals? I'm all for it.
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As much as I respect ur opinion. What bugs and what app problems are u facing?
Because I had the Alien Rom for more than a month and it was smooth as butter and very responsive.
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paravorheim said:
In my opinion, it seems like Google and Android phone manufacturers are behind the game right now.
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This is my thoughts exactly. After going through 5 different Android phones in the last year and then using to iOS when I bought an iPad, it really changed my opinion on Android.
I think Android is a little rough around the edges and could definitely use some improvement.
Personally, I'm jumping ship for the next iPhone. *waits for angry posts*
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TheBassman369 said:
This is my thoughts exactly. After going through 5 different Android phones in the last year and then using to iOS when I bought an iPad, it really changed my opinion on Android.
I think Android is a little rough around the edges and could definitely use some improvement.
Personally, I'm jumping ship for the next iPhone. *waits for angry posts*
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That's what I seriously don't like about u iOS lovers. U talk in all the vague terms. Gives a perception that u don't know what u r talking about. Will u ever mention exactly what r ur problems with Android ? A healthy insight would be great. And why not post on xda if u r facing some problems or glitches.
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I don't know. I use android for my personal use. I almost make a living off iPhones.
I'll say one thing
the majority of the dev scene for Apple REVOLVES around jailbreaking and unlocking [and trickles down into free apps] that's pretty much it, yes, there's a lot of homebrew and a lot of work done with apple, but the real hard work goes into unlocking
the majority of the dev scene for Android revolves around improving the core use of the OS and also fixing or tweaking the way hardware is used [such as unlocking frequency bands, fm radio, camera resolutions, battery tweaks, processor or GPU OC/UV, etc]
that should tell you what it comes down to.
Im excited for cm7... but I need webtop!!! So torn. I know the devs are working on a port because cm7 requires stock functionality (webtop and fingerprint scanner) to get official status
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I think my Atrix out of the box is great compared to my Captivate I had...so..it might have something to do with the early builds and how you have your phone set up...that's giving you problems
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I would like to understand why so many people say they "need" webtop, and why so many cannot live without it on this phone. Somebody please answer this. I am pretty sure everyone lived perfectly fine before the Atrix came along, so why the sudden requirement for school and work to "need" webtop?
If you came from the iPhone, you certainly did not have webtop before.
TheBassman369 said:
This is my thoughts exactly. After going through 5 different Android phones in the last year and then using to iOS when I bought an iPad, it really changed my opinion on Android.
I think Android is a little rough around the edges and could definitely use some improvement.
Personally, I'm jumping ship for the next iPhone. *waits for angry posts*
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This really isn't geared at you per say, but to anyone in the market for either an iPhone vs Android I'd say wait till the fall when you can compare iP5 against ICS.
If ICS is all that, then a lot of Atrix users will be "very happy" to put it mildly (and so will their wallets)...
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Here's what it breaks down into.
Do you love modding your phone, choosing where, when, and how things are done on your operating system, being able to have full control over your processes / cpu usage / bandwith consumption? Do you like personal freedoms and choices? Get a phone with an Android operating system.
Do you love....Apple? Get an iphone.
For me, its same as windows Desktops and Laptops comapared to Macs or linux.
When you buy a Dell/HP laptop, you get a ton of crapware. that slows the machine down to a limit that the upgrade seems worthless in some case.
To make it all right, you have format and have a clean vanila install. (at least thats what I do).
On Mac, you get things that are good and apple certified. So, you get a good performing machine from the very first boot.
Our android phones are same as windows laptops/desktops from Dell/HP. CM7 is the clean vanila install for android. and i jumped for the first CM7 prebeta that was available!
I was talking to my brother the other day. He was trying to decide which phone OS to go for his next phone. My basic description went like this:
Apple, will take you by the hand ... and bring you to your destination (smart phone nervana). If you see something along your path, apple will ignore it ... and keep on going.
WP7 (never used it, but from what I can gather) will take you by the hand, and guide you to your destination. If you see something interesting along your path, you can stop, but WP7 will constantly nag you to keep on moving in their direction.
Android, will tell you which direction your destination is in, and say ... good luck.
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I was talking to my brother the other day. He was trying to decide which phone OS to go for his next phone. My basic description went like this:
Apple, will take you by the hand ... and bring you to your destination (smart phone nervana). If you see something along your path, apple will ignore it ... and keep on going.
WP7 (never used it, but from what I can gather) will take you by the hand, and guide you to your destination. If you see something interesting along your path, you can stop, but WP7 will constantly nag you to keep on moving in their direction.
Android, will tell you which direction your destination is in, and say ... good luck.
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THIS IS AWESOME!!!!! I'm stealing it!
bbb90104 said:
I was talking to my brother the other day. He was trying to decide which phone OS to go for his next phone. My basic description went like this:
Apple, will take you by the hand ... and bring you to your destination (smart phone nervana). If you see something along your path, apple will ignore it ... and keep on going.
WP7 (never used it, but from what I can gather) will take you by the hand, and guide you to your destination. If you see something interesting along your path, you can stop, but WP7 will constantly nag you to keep on moving in their direction.
Android, will tell you which direction your destination is in, and say ... good luck.
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Amazing description. LOL !
anupash said:
As much as I respect ur opinion. What bugs and what app problems are u facing?
Because I had the Alien Rom for more than a month and it was smooth as butter and very responsive.
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I've been getting random reboots every couple of days. Whenever the phone stats up again out tells me that there is no sim card so I have to reboot again.
Sometimes the screen will be unresponsive, and a reboot is required. Then I get the no Sim card problem again so I have to reboot a second time.
Pandora doesn't like to be kept in memory very well, which may be am issue of me just needing to reinstall the app.
I'm sure there's more, and definitely many worse problems on my iPhone 3G.
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againareku said:
I don't know. I use android for my personal use. I almost make a living off iPhones.
I'll say one thing
the majority of the dev scene for Apple REVOLVES around jailbreaking and unlocking [and trickles down into free apps] that's pretty much it, yes, there's a lot of homebrew and a lot of work done with apple, but the real hard work goes into unlocking
the majority of the dev scene for Android revolves around improving the core use of the OS and also fixing or tweaking the way hardware is used [such as unlocking frequency bands, fm radio, camera resolutions, battery tweaks, processor or GPU OC/UV, etc]
that should tell you what it comes down to.
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This is precisely why I bought an Android phone instead of an iPhone this time around. Because honestly performance was my main issue with my iPhone.
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paravorheim said:
I've been getting random reboots every couple of days. Whenever the phone stats up again out tells me that there is no sim card so I have to reboot again.
Sometimes the screen will be unresponsive, and a reboot is required. Then I get the no Sim card problem again so I have to reboot a second time.
Pandora doesn't like to be kept in memory very well, which may be am issue of me just needing to reinstall the app.
I'm sure there's more, and definitely many worse problems on my iPhone 3G.
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Hmmm... sorry but you SHOULDN"T be having these problems.
In regards to random reboots issue - are you overclocked? do you use launcherpro?
In regards to sim card absent issue - how old is your sim card? this could also be a phone issue, you should be eligible for a replacement in that case.
Touchscreen unresponsive issue - again, you shouldn't be having this issue. Which rom do you use? Do you have a screen protector? In what specific usage cases does it freeze?
I have nothing like this problems at all.
CaelanT said:
I would like to understand why so many people say they "need" webtop, and why so many cannot live without it on this phone. Somebody please answer this. I am pretty sure everyone lived perfectly fine before the Atrix came along, so why the sudden requirement for school and work to "need" webtop?
If you came from the iPhone, you certainly did not have webtop before.
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You're right, I didn't have webtop before when I owned an iPhone. I also had a laptop given to me by my school then too.
Now that i've had to return that, I bought the laptop dock specifically for note taking and remote desktop into my computer in my room for using programs required for engineering (Matlab, Eclipse, Mathematica, etc.)
I could have bought a NetBook for a little more money, and had much better performance, but I thought the cool factor of your phone powering a laptop and all the work being done to better
webtop would be worth more. (especially now with the source out )
I think my op suggested I was frustrated to the point where I would sell the phone. No, I still love it. But I thought I'd express my feelings about some of its shortcomings.
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xploited said:
Hmmm... sorry but you SHOULDN"T be having these problems.
In regards to random reboots issue - are you overclocked? do you use launcherpro?
In regards to sim card absent issue - how old is your sim card? this could also be a phone issue, you should be eligible for a replacement in that case.
Touchscreen unresponsive issue - again, you shouldn't be having this issue. Which rom do you use? Do you have a screen protector? In what specific usage cases does it freeze?
I have nothing like this problems at all.
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More than likely all I need is a new rom flash, with a newer or stock kernel. I'm not overclocked, and I use adw launcher ex.
My Sim card came with my phone when I got it, so is about 6 months old. I may just ask them for a new one whenever I go home to see if that fixes the problem.
I believe that the touchscreen being unresponsive could be due to overheat issues, because every time it happens I think it gets fairly toasty. Or maybe when my phone vibrated in my pocket when someone calls me, and I press the power button to mute it. I do indeed have a screen protector on though; do you think that's why it would become unresponsive?
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paravorheim said:
I think my op suggested I was frustrated to the point where I would sell the phone. No, I still love it. But I thought I'd express my feelings about some of its shortcomings.
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Well... to address your frustrations now...
I only managed to conclude that your homescreen lags, right?
Well, on Android you can always find alternatives for everythings. When it comes to homescreens, you are spoiled for choice - ADW, Stock launcher, GO Launcher, launcherpro, even Touchwiz launcher are all available for Atrix.
I assure you that you will find at least one that you like visually and which doesn't lag.