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Hi guys,
I used to have an Xperia X1 but long story short, i broke it. I threw it on the floor and now its broken and beyond repair, so now i need a new smartphone.
Ive decided on the HTC Magic or Nokia N97. Since nobody can really give me any user impressions on the N97 since nobody has it, i figured id start asking you guys 1st.
Can you guys give me some user impressions (long or short both welcome) about the magic and how you think it fares vs the N97?
I love the fact that the N97 has both a touch screen and qwerty but so far, all the reviews ive read about it have been surprisingly lukewarm. But to be fair, the same websites didnt love the Xperia X1 either and i thought that was a wonderful phone. So i will reserve final judgement until i test it out this friday.
But...can you guys tell me about the magic? the pros and cons? I will mainly be using the phone for texting, internet browsing, music, and videos. Hopefully I would get to play some emulation games on it or homebrew.
Please guys, help me decide who phone to get!
Im am in Taiwan Kaohsiung and over here the N97 is 26000NTD (812USD) whie the Magic is roughly 20000NTD (625USD).
Thanks in advance!
magic is soo magic
well i am no expert but been using win mobile since pocket pc 5 and just got the magic! well i can say i will not go back to windows mobile again.
This phone is so good that the best way to really have an idea is to goto a shop and play with it.
Android is deff the way to go.
Now for Symbian phones! i have used them and never again, just too slow and to be honest i'd rather use win mobile.
thats my 2cents
I just jumped from the iPhone to the Android OS (Google ION) and totally think that Android is a winner. iPhone does apps better with iTunes and AppStore, but overall, Android is a great OS. It trumps anything found on the Symbian platform.
Go with the droid, you will be pleased that you did!
2 weeks ago I migrated to HTC Magic from the Nokia N95.
What can I say apart from it's an awesome phone - completely blows the Nokia away. Can't really comment on the N97 but my only critisism of the Magic is the camera, which is crappy in low light conditions. Everything else has surpassed my expectations.
any other user impressions?
like what you guys love about the OS?
Im looking for more information other just than its great....
Pro:
The current Android OS is better than the current S60v5 found in the Nokia 5800XM/N97, Samsung OmniaHD, and SE Saito (Idou). Android is easier to mod and configure to your liking (custom ROM's). System integration especially email is way better than Symbian S60v3/v5. Capacitive touch screen on the Magic is better than the resitive touchscreen on the N97.
Con:
Camera on the N97 blows away the camera on the Magic for sure. There are things still missing from Android like native tethering support (BT or USB), BT file transfer (OBEX), and etc.
Overall I like both S60 and Android but I go with the Google Ion because there is no S60 phones with T-Mobile US 3G.
BTW the new Nokia S60 phones are not slow at all. I had used anything from E61i to 5800XM.
Can't say to much about the N97, but the Magic is an excellent phone even for people who haven't had a smartphone before, like me. Before reading this I am specifically talking about the HTC Magic on the Rogers network in Canada with the 6gb/month data plan. I may be all over the place and I apologize in advanced, I just before I think. Here we go....
Now the phone is all intergrated with Google as you know. You can update your contacts right from your home computer, just log onto your google account and add contacts, it even uploads the pictures that you upload on the computer. I thought that was cool since it wouldn't take up memory on your phone or your SD card.
Now the thing people say about this phone is that the memory is small, only 512mb I believe, but after all the original apps and OS stuff, there is only about 260mb left for you to play with, plus the expandable 16gb SD card. Now with the adroid app store, all the apps are actually quite small, the reason is because all the apps are data driven, meaning you need data to use them basically. For Canada users it is not to bad since we have the 6gb/month plan so we aren't worried, but for people in Australia not so good since I heard their data plans aren't as generous. Not sure what states is like.
Another thing is that no one has figured out how to install apps on the SD card yet.
bachviet has already mentioned about the camera, just make a note that the video is quite horrible as well, both recording and playback.
The sensitivity is pretty much like the iPhone, a little bit less responsive but really not a big deal, we all adjust to things like that. The OS is quite fluid compare to other phones out there. Still don't think it is quite as fluid as the iPhone but thats just my opinion.
The android OS is very user friendly, and very customizable (is that a word?). The adroid market currently has over 3,500 apps available I think, which most of them are free. Unfortunately here in Canada we aren't even allowed to access the paid apps on the market.
I can't think of anything else to say. Hope this helps bit, again sorry for being all over the place.
HI, first I'm an happy owner of the magnificent Nokia E71. It's fast and full of business applications: this smartphone is focused for business. Second I'm an happy owner of the HTC Magic mods to Roger Firmware. This is a smart phone. My experience?
iPhone 2g
iPhone 3g
HTC Diamond
Samsung Omnia i900
Blackberry Storm 9500
HTC Touch HD
Do not consider Windows Mobile an OS for smartphone, it's not!
As far as the N97 if it works like the E71 is a great phone, full of features an bla bla bla, like all serius nokia phone.
HTC is new, amazing, customizable, ull of programm, yes with some lack, but it's really a fantastic touchphone and the droid is... the droid!
DriveBuyB said:
I love the fact that the N97 has both a touch screen and qwerty
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If thats a feature you like, then get a DREAM. Its about the same as a magic except that it has a real keyboard as well as the touch screen.
Just wondering? I'm playing with the thought of selling my Touch HD. Getting a bit tired of Windows Mobile. Anyone else?
But I'm asking myself, if I can live with the smaller screen and lower resolution?
Im thinking of doing the exact same and my main concerns are screen size and lack of radio. The radio, which i don't use that often, i can overcome by using web radio. But the screen size and resolution is making me consider it carefully.
I've only been using windows mobile for about 6 months but im getting bored. I've looked at all the apps i use and theirs alternatives available on android for all of them.
Has anyone here swapped WinMo for Android?
trice1921 said:
Im thinking of doing the exact same and my main concerns are screen size and lack of radio. The radio, which i don't use that often, i can overcome by using web radio. But the screen size and resolution is making me consider it carefully.
I've only been using windows mobile for about 6 months but im getting bored. I've looked at all the apps i use and theirs alternatives available on android for all of them.
Has anyone here swapped WinMo for Android?
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I did. I have used winmob for 9 years :S Seriously.
I moved to Android Hero on release day last week.
I sent the Android back on Monday and am back on winmob.
There are (currently) apps and 'things' that Android cannot do to the same quality as winmob. I don't for a minute think that situation will be like that forever, but, atm, Satnav is not as good on Android. Syncing is not as good on Android. I missed the hardware keyboard (not a prob for an ex-touch HD user of course )
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I did. I have used winmob for 9 years :S Seriously.
I moved to Android Hero on release day last week.
I sent the Android back on Monday and am back on winmob.
There are (currently) apps and 'things' that Android cannot do to the same quality as winmob. I don't for a minute think that situation will be like that forever, but, atm, Satnav is not as good on Android. Syncing is not as good on Android. I missed the hardware keyboard (not a prob for an ex-touch HD user of course )
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I have TomTom on my touch hd but i think i've used it once so satnav software shouldn't be an issue. You mention syncing, what do you mean?
Thanks for the input.
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I have TomTom on my touch hd but i think i've used it once so satnav software shouldn't be an issue. You mention syncing, what do you mean?
Thanks for the input.
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HTC Sync is not the best.. well.. its crap.
I sync with Googlemail though, always have and then I have an app on my computer which syncs with Outlook and Googlemail, so don't need to plug the phone in, I have no issues!
CoPilot is a good piece of kit, IF you have bought it. The pirate versions have many many flaws in it, so I presume this is what you mean by that? Obviously TomTom has been around a bit longer so had many years to get its quirks out of its system, I remember it on Symbian and my old XDA II, it was pants then, but nice now.
Just moved from many years on WinMo to Android and I'll give it that, its different. There are some things it won't do as good as a WinMo device, but other things it will excel on. But lets face it, its different, its not WinMo, its not Apple, hence why I want it, something different.
Not everyone will want it, but I've had a Touch HD and moved to a TP2 (0.2" screen difference) then moved to this and its fine, screen size is spot on for me, no complaints at all.
I bought Copilot on Friday night and tested it on a purely vanilla Android config. Nothing else installed. It crashed each time I exited. It also did not have my second tested postcode in it. Thankfully the refund function on Android marketplace worked very well, otherwise that would have been another £25.99 wasted.
More serious was the crashing though. Just kept locking up when I exited the app.
I too run Outlook sync>googlemail on my PC. But, for contracts this is a convoluted process of exporting to a .csv > gmail. It's a kludge and not good. The calendar via gmail syncs well but not the contacts. Pretty basic stuff and should be resolved at first hit and capable locally.
Under Vista, HTC sync hardly works, it's pointless being there. All these issues are exactly why apple is sewing up the market. Their stuff is much more user friendly. I have never had an iphone and probably never will, but fundamental issues that affect the user experience such as the ability to sync are essential for the success of a phone. As I was used to Activesync in Winmob land and that worked seamlessly, why would anyone struggle with an equivalent that doesn't work?
Hero displays a great insight to the future of open phone OSs. It's really exciting to experience. When the flaws are resolved I will be back on board for sure
My main problem is the size of the on-screen keyboard. I've been using palm-held devices to write for years now, so the keys on the Hero are just too damned small. If an Android handset came out with a display the same size as the HD, I would be very tempted. If there's an application on the Market that lets you actually edit Word-type files...
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Im thinking of doing the exact same and my main concerns are screen size and lack of radio. The radio, which i don't use that often, i can overcome by using web radio. But the screen size and resolution is making me consider it carefully.
I've only been using windows mobile for about 6 months but im getting bored. I've looked at all the apps i use and theirs alternatives available on android for all of them.
Has anyone here swapped WinMo for Android?
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I did - but I still have the WM device but am not using. I am bored of WM for now. I will continue to use android as its a fresh and exciting to try something new and a great change, which ill get even better when I start customising the device more.
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I did. I have used winmob for 9 years :S Seriously.
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Seriously! nine years?
I presume you include your Pocket PC experience with that as WM has only be out six
ive been using windows since the original SPV. I've pretty much had every device ever released from HTC. Just sold my HD and got the Hero - I dont think I will be going back to windows again - unless something spectacular happens in Windows 7!
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Seriously! nine years?
I presume you include your Pocket PC experience with that as WM has only be out six
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Yep, PPC as well as. I am pwoppa old school (just old really!)
I always had a soft spot for the SP5. I still have one of those and it gets use when I am on a night out, ie, more portable but still carrying the details I need.
Thats the way I feel winwiz, so do other people I know fortunate enough to have the G1.
I have been using a PDA since Apple's newton days and progressed to my first PocketPC in 2000 (Compaq) and on to my first WM device which was the SPV M600 (HTC Prophet) which is still in use now. The Trinity was next SPV M700 (also still in use) and then last year I got a Hong Kong version of the Diamond.
During my time with these devices the experience has nearly been the same thanks to the user interface. The Hero and android is a welcome change, although there are things I will miss with WM - I look forward to the further developments of the Android OS and the missing things with WM will soon appear in one form or another.
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the missing things with WM will soon appear in one form or another.
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That is for sure. These are exciting times.
They need a direct sync for Outlook Contacts, call me crazy but I don't trust Google with my contact data and personally I don't like anyone else sharing my contact information with them or anyone else. Once you give them that data for free it's theirs, I'm not looking for complete anonymity but sharing my contact information is just a step away from giving them my checkbook, tax information and SSN. They have a really cool service and it's "free"... too bad people aren't taking account of what they are actually paying.
Rant /off
I am looking very seriously at getting a Hero though, I've had the Star Trek for quite a few years... (got it running WM6.1 now) and while cool. I'm looking forward to messing with Andriod and seeing what happens with the development of Andriod Apps/Utils in the community.
i had the touch hd and tytn 2 and they are all top notch phones....for me tho winmo phones are very precise in getting whatver you want done fast and efficeintly but they lack and excitement or fun while using them. hero i feel has just about put the two together making it enjoyable but efficient. dnt think i could go back to winmo and be happy about it....... the difference in screen size for me isnt really an issue i get on fine with smaller and th ehtc hero offers 3 different keyboard layouts for those who are used to a hard keyboard. obviously personal opinion differs but mines thumbs up to android......give it a go.....you only live once!
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Has anyone here swapped WinMo for Android?
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I was using 4 HTC WM smartphones over the past years. i got bored after a month with my htc diamond so i sold it and buyed a nokia e71 (symbian). Used it till now. In a few days my HTC Hero will be delivered.
I am certain that Android and HTC fit together very good and its getting the only competitive platform beside the iphone os.
menov321 said:
i had the touch hd and tytn 2 and they are all top notch phones....for me tho winmo phones are very precise in getting whatver you want done fast and efficeintly but they lack and excitement or fun while using them. hero i feel has just about put the two together making it enjoyable but efficient. dnt think i could go back to winmo and be happy about it....... the difference in screen size for me isnt really an issue i get on fine with smaller and th ehtc hero offers 3 different keyboard layouts for those who are used to a hard keyboard. obviously personal opinion differs but mines thumbs up to android......give it a go.....you only live once!
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Ok, screen size is my main apprehension. If that works out, maybe I'm going to get a hero.
I have a Touch HD and have been considering a switch to Hero. The main thing that stops me is that I rely on a couple of Java apps that run under Winmo but wont run on Hero. For the rest, I think the trade offs are probably worth it.
Rip HD. Sort of.
Just got my Hero(HD's going to the wife) and like any other device out there at the moment(and probably forever, sadly) it is not perfect. Having said that, I don't think I'll miss my HD that much.
That's exactly what i've done. Sold my hd and now waiting for my hero to arrive - hopefully tomorrow. Then il report back to say If I think it was worth it.
I much prefer the look of android tho.
I'm in the same boat as you guys - thinking about trading my HD in for a Hero. As soon as I saw how good Android was, I had been desperately hoping someone would port Android to the HD, but that as it doesn't look like that will happen now, I think I might take the plunge for a Hero.
Of course, like all of you, my main concerns are with the screen, and also the on screen keyboard. I'm using FingeKeyboard 2.1 on WM and it's fantastic, I doubt HTCs keyboard on the Hero will come close.
That said, I'm bored of winmo, and I organise everything online through google anyway, so switching to Android seems to make sense. I also like the idea of an app store, and whilst MS is slowly working on that, I'd rather have something run by google instead of MS.
Guess I should take the plunge!
title says it all really... its upgrade time and i was set on the hero,,, then they release the HD2 and now im stuck back in indecision land again..... *sigh*
main reason im still pulled toward the hero is the upcomming jump to android v2.1 eclair in the new year,,,,
Main reason im pulled toward the HD2 is its just so damn sexy... and who wouldent want that screen!
i have had quite alot of experiance with the hero... but as of yet havent even seen the HD2 in the flesh so cant compare how they operate in comparison to each other........ Is winmo 6.5 as bad as alot of the reviews make out? and does the hd2 suffer from it?
another thing is although people say the winmo market place is pretty poor atm.... after experiancing the android marketplace im feeling pretty let down by it also,,,, yeah sure theres alot of stuff... but really 90% seems a complete waste of time.... really poor stuff i cant see anyone needing.. not to mention the games are woefull.... i feel myself missing my old N95 as it had better games than the hero i would say.. ;0(
i have no idea what the games platform is like on winmo though so if anyone could offer a little insight please?
soo.. what would u go with... the hero or HD2? help me out as my pac code expires in 6 days so gotta pick sumthin sharpish.. lol
If you complain a lot and get frustrated by little nuisance that comes with new technology, then get the Hero. Otherwise, get the HD2.
the hero is old , you can't buy a 6month old phone
How can you even be considering the hero? HD2>>>>>Hero. The Hero is a great phone, but paying almost 480€ for old hardware is not something I'd like to do.
Chivalry,
Answer to your question is simple; if you want a device that is predominantly a phone then it's the Hero, if you want a device that is a focused PDA then it's the HD2.
Also, as someone said above, if you don't like hassle then again, it's the Hero but if you don't mind spending weeks on end tuning and retuning your device (sometimes just to get it to work properly) then it's the HD.
I assume price is not a factor here?
WB
i have had both ohones, i changed from the HERO to the HD2 and can say the HD2 is MUCH better!! no questions and wouldn't go back to the HERO or android.
1. The main downside of the HD2 is that he runs windows mobile : it will give your geek friends with an iphone or an androphone a reason to call you a noob.
2. However, if you can live with that, just get an HD2. The screen is amazing, and the hardware is perfect for real multi-tasking.
3. Don't trust Gizmodo or Endgaget. These people just think that saying windows mobile is crap make them look cool (see 1.). Winmo runs well, and the HTC Sense interface will make you forget it's windows.
4. Windows mobile has a huge application store : it's called the World Wide Web.
5. If you're mainly interested in games, you should get an iPhone. It's got a lot of beautiful ones. Winmo has some too, but you'll have to deal with compatibility issues. Since there's no official API for accelerometer or multitouch, really few games will use them.
6. HD2 is really bigger than Hero. You can see this as an advantage or a disadvantage.
I had a Hero and like dit a lot Then my wife got HD2 as an upgrade and found it too large. So now she likes the Hero and I prefer HD2 over hero.
Here are the limitations of Hero/Android for me:
1 - Exchange support. Lack of tasks was an issue for me. Touchdown fixed it but still not as good as winmo implementation.
2 - Out of the box ms office support is another minus for Hero.
3 - Also windows mobile devices are compatible with Napster to go, so you use their unlimited downloads service in HD2 nicely. You cannot do that on android or other OSes.
4 - Speed is a big plus for HD2.
5 - Feature complete os for HD2. Things like VPN support, connection exceptions make it a better choice for me.
6 - Application availability for windows mobile. While it does not have a good marketplace with tens of thousands of applications, the essential applications such as voip software and video players make it a better choice for me.
7 - Live services integration and myphone service from microsoft are also pluses for winmob.
HTC Sense solves most of the issues with default windows mobile interface and even for non technichal people, it allows smooth transition from android to winmob and vice versa.
I like the Hero a lot and was not thinking to go back to winmob until wm7, HD2 has changed my mind.
However, the items above are pretty much personal and depends on your work as well I suppose.
Zunzun really sums this up well.
I was in the same seat as you, deciding between hero or waiting for HD2. I decided to wait for HD2 because of the sexiness and the screen mainly, and even though all the bashing of WinMo, I am not let down at all. On the other hand I like how you pretty much can change anything, which is why I always favor PC to Mac for example.
ALAS!
i am glad to see i am not not the only one stuck in this notion of indecision!
I had the Hero and when i got the HD2 couple of days ago my first reaction was "wow so similar to hero but so much better" the screen really DOES make a big difference honestly
the web browsing is sensational in a word
i agree with previous posts, the downside is winmo, but tbh HTC front end is so robust you barely notice it and it is much much finger friendly than it has ever been - once you have your basic settings sorted you will barely ever have to go back into it
although people compare the market place, i would agree with one of the guys who said that most stuff on the google marketplace is a shambles - it really is - its like Tesco Basics vs Tesco finest
Again if you want gaming get an iphone - better still get the ipod and use the HD2 wifi router option to connect to the net! this phone is very good, someone is very likely to bring Android to it and you can try that too but tbh HTC have done a very bang up job on it
Performance wise it is miles ahead of the Hero - i used to work for t-mobile so have had exposure to phones and the problems you get - for normal everyday use, i would get this phone over the Hero, simply for better user experience overall
sorry if that was more than my two cents worth!
Toss3 said:
How can you even be considering the hero? HD2>>>>>Hero. The Hero is a great phone, but paying almost 480€ for old hardware is not something I'd like to do.
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^ This ^
Because well, the hd2/leo is one damn hawt phone, but theres bugs in it that will make you pull your hair out (well in a matter of speech ofc, but ye, random signal loss, hanging sms, bugs with sd cards etc etc)
On the bright side theres alot of smart people here, and they already solved some bugs, and HTC themselves are appearing to take notice of all hd2 problems now, more and more 'fixes' appear
i moved from htc diamond (1.7+ year) to omnia ii
i really missed XDA when i moved to omnia ii
omnia ii sold
waiting for my HD2
immyl said:
i am glad to see i am not not the only one stuck in this notion of indecision!
I had the Hero and when i got the HD2 couple of days ago my first reaction was "wow so similar to hero but so much better" the screen really DOES make a big difference honestly
the web browsing is sensational in a word
i agree with previous posts, the downside is winmo, but tbh HTC front end is so robust you barely notice it and it is much much finger friendly than it has ever been - once you have your basic settings sorted you will barely ever have to go back into it
although people compare the market place, i would agree with one of the guys who said that most stuff on the google marketplace is a shambles - it really is - its like Tesco Basics vs Tesco finest
Again if you want gaming get an iphone - better still get the ipod and use the HD2 wifi router option to connect to the net! this phone is very good, someone is very likely to bring Android to it and you can try that too but tbh HTC have done a very bang up job on it
Performance wise it is miles ahead of the Hero - i used to work for t-mobile so have had exposure to phones and the problems you get - for normal everyday use, i would get this phone over the Hero, simply for better user experience overall
sorry if that was more than my two cents worth!
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Why is winmo a downside? Surely it's only a downside if you care more about how pretty the UI is than how powerful/flexible/feature-rich/functional it is? And surely if you're a member of this forum that isn't true?
It is a far more sophisticated OS than any other mobile phone platform. Period.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618039
Ok, there is aleady a thread over the Nexus forum, but all I got were "pro" nexus. I was curious to see if maybe it was a bit biased... so I'm posting here and asking you guys.
HD2 or Nexus? and why? pro's and cons would be great.
I'm coming from a Windows mobile, I've gotten to like it, except for the lag... but the HD2 shouldn't have any issues. I sold my HD2 euro and wanted to wait for the T-Mobile variant to release so that I could get 3G. In the mean time I got a Nexus and am quite surprised. I love the amoled screen but what I think I love the most is the google integration. I mean voice, maps, gmail, docs, all of it... it just works great. I wonder if that was my main aspect that I'm focusing on, if the HD2 can compare? I love the latitude part... it really helps.
So if I can: 1) use latitude, 2) use google voice, 3) view google docs I'd be set cause I know it can do the other things... (right?)
What do you guys think?
I prefer the HD2, because, WinMo has a very long expérience! WinMo with Sense on the HD2 is very wonderfull ! I have no bugs or lag (sometimes but clean with SnapDragon)... I'm just waiting a new hotfix for the sms...
Android is fashion, but maybe he needs more experience !! ??
I want to tell you : "Choose your OS..." I prefer WinMo with sometimes his lags, but what do you prefer?
Sorry about my english...
I don't have either, but I'm waiting for the US HD2 as well.
I do have a HTC Dream and I feel that Android (1.6/2.1) and app selection is still not mature enough yet. My only experience with WM is WM6 on my iPAQ hx4700 w/ 4" VGA. I enjoyed all the apps that I was able to use on it. (Mainly videos and txt/pdfs)
Android DOES have some killer apps that I wish would come over to WM. Specifically the Google apps (GMaps, GMail, GTalk, GVoice, GSkyMap, Contacts integration with GMail.. etc). 'My Tracks' is an app that I enjoyed over the summer to log my jogging. Video codecs are extremely lacking. Also I prefer not have to have be connected to the internet for things to work.
^^ what do You mean by new sms fix? in 1.66 messaging works just fine, so...
anyway... I was tempted by android too at some point, but I have all the apps that I need on hd2 plus it looks much better than nexus imho. speed is great and as I spend lots of time outside, amoled screen is not a real pro for me. latest rom brings stability and sense is a pure joy to use. browsing with opera is awesome, fpsece playstation emulator elevates phone gaming to next level and after some time spent on tweaking and tuning I have a device that is hard to be beaten in ergonomy and useability. maybe winmo 6.5 doesn't look as cool as android, but it does the job well and htc spent some time to make it at least bit more user friendly. just my two pence...
Very tough call, but ultimately will be decided by what you do most with your phone.
I am staying with HD2 becuase Google calendar etc work fine, can sync my gmail account. Most important for me though is the ability to tweak. If you get the opportunity, try a HD2 with a cooked ROM (something like Dutty's or Energy).
I am equally impressed with the Nexus One, but it doesn't give me the same fun as the HD2. My work colleague has one. Whichever OS you go for, you're extremely unlikely to be dissapointed.
Umi
lol. I've had both and did try different roms. I'm just trying to see what people think. But I did like how it synced the contacts, gmail calender all that was great, I just didn't try voice, and try opening google docs. I get annoyed of the nexus on screen and the weird registry of touch. I think this is definately a tough decision.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618039
Ok, there is aleady a thread over the Nexus forum, but all I got were "pro" nexus. I was curious to see if maybe it was a bit biased... so I'm posting here and asking you guys.
HD2 or Nexus? and why? pro's and cons would be great.
I'm coming from a Windows mobile, I've gotten to like it, except for the lag... but the HD2 shouldn't have any issues. I sold my HD2 euro and wanted to wait for the T-Mobile variant to release so that I could get 3G. In the mean time I got a Nexus and am quite surprised. I love the amoled screen but what I think I love the most is the google integration. I mean voice, maps, gmail, docs, all of it... it just works great. I wonder if that was my main aspect that I'm focusing on, if the HD2 can compare? I love the latitude part... it really helps.
So if I can: 1) use latitude, 2) use google voice, 3) view google docs I'd be set cause I know it can do the other things... (right?)
What do you guys think?
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One things that niggles me about Win Mo (i currently have a Treo Pro and TP2) is its lack of a good Google Voice and Facebook apps.
If you're invested in Google services already like gmail,maps,voice and so on, then the Nexus 1 would be what i'd say to stick with. If you want more tinkering (custom ROMS and such) and a bit more aggravation then Win Mo should be it.
I played with a Hero for a while and couldn't believe how seamless the Google services integrate with Android.
Me personally i want Android on a HD2-sized device....
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Me personally i want Android on a HD2-sized device....
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I agree. I think I enjoy the form factor of the HD2 more than anything...
The HD2 (or WinMo for that matter) is an adult's phone. Imagine if it was advertised to kids on MTV, we'd have a whole forum littered with kids in tears because they couldn't receive their friends' facebook status update.
Android/iphone is dumbed down for the general public's use. WinMo is not. Which side are you?
lude219 said:
The HD2 (or WinMo for that matter) is an adult's phone. Imagine if it was advertised to kids on MTV, we'd have a whole forum littered with kids in tears because they couldn't receive their friends' facebook status update.
Android/iphone is dumbed down for the general public's use. WinMo is not. Which side are you?
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thats one way of putting it... I'm all for the HD2, but like I mentioned, I just need the google integration. How do you think it handles, google latitude, and google docs? I already know it does sync, mail, and maps well enough.
I looked hard at the Nexus but decided its styling wasnt doing it for me. Screen size was smaller as well.
After getting my T Mobile HD2 I was a little frustrated with what was and wasnt on that ROM. I just thought a lot of stuff would work out of the box....
So after my initial frustration, I've reflashed it with stock ROM and added stuff like coreplayer, myplayer etc ....
I got to say using the kaiser side by side with the Leo there is no comparison obviously.
The screen is superb in both quality and size. Who says size doent matter
still a happy winmo user
Get HD2.
Dual-boot with Android.
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Profit!
Cheeze[iT] said:
thats one way of putting it... I'm all for the HD2, but like I mentioned, I just need the google integration. How do you think it handles, google latitude, and google docs? I already know it does sync, mail, and maps well enough.
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I can't really comment on Google Voice/Docs as I don't use them myself - both are however supported on WinMo devices according to Google so you should be fine.
Latitude on the other hand I do use and as far as I can tell it works as well as it does on any other device. My location is 'always' up to date and I have access to my contacts locations by the press of a button. I've seen some reports on people saying their location is not updated if GM is not running/active, but have not experienced this myself; as long as I select to "continue sharing my location" it does so no matter if it's running or not.
Hi everyone Im just wanting some opinion on the HD2. right now I have a G1 and im looking to upgrade my phone in june and Im wondering if i went to a HD2 instead of a N1 would I regret it? I have never used a newer winmo phone in my life & im only familiar with android on a smartphone.
anywho any advice,tips are all appreciated.
Hey there, I had a G1 for about a year and I love Android personally. I might still have it but I lost it so I traded up for a Touch Pro 2 which was awesome. I had WinMo before Android so I was already familiar with it but the HD2 is the best WinMo phone out and one of the best on the market to be honest.
The N1 is a great phone as well so it really boils down to what OS you prefer, WinMo takes a learning curve and there may be some things that will frustrate you but this phone more than makes up for anything lacking in WinMo. Plus it's even more open than the open source Android platform so modding and personalizing is even easier.
WinMo is not as app centric as Android or Iphone due to no central location for apps (Marketplace & Omarket notwithstanding) but there are thousands of WinMo apps spread across the net so you just have to look a little harder.
So out of Tmo's lineup the HD2 is the best choice right now but that's my opinion, I would go to a store and spend some time playing with it. Really give it a good test drive so you can see for yourself
I had a G1 and then most recently a MyTouch 3G and upgraded to the HD2 the morning it came out.
My biggest reason to upgrade aside from the obvious graphical and asthetic improvements, is the ability for it to sync up with Exchange which Android doesn't do nearly as well as Windows Mobile.
Sure the apps are a plus, but as already said, there isn't an app out there for Android that I haven't been able to find for this phone. The customization of this is endless and I don't even think the developers and folks out there who build the ROM's have even scratched the surface.
Freezey said:
Hi everyone Im just wanting some opinion on the HD2. right now I have a G1 and im looking to upgrade my phone in june and Im wondering if i went to a HD2 instead of a N1 would I regret it? I have never used a newer winmo phone in my life & im only familiar with android on a smartphone.
anywho any advice,tips are all appreciated.
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first of, don't think about android if ur willing to try hd2. these are essentially two different mobile os. winmo targeted mostly business oriented people, using office mobile and such.
i still have my g1 because i like android and i switch to either one from day to day since i got my hd2. or i just carry both around. i like showing off my hd2 tho haha people go, hey what phone is that?
My only experience with smartphones was a G1 and I was nervous about making the transition as well, but I haven't had any problems. The biggest difference of course is the app market. The WM market is nothing like it, but if you're resourceful, you can find all the apps you need.
HD2 is definitely NOT an easy phone to get along with.
I've had my frustration during my first 2 weeks with the phone.
It's much harder to get used to than iPhone, G1, Blackberries I've come to across.
Now that i've pretty much tweaked this phone to exactly how I like it, everything seems too perfect. I do miss the voice recognition from google, but hey, I can easily type them on the google search on my internet tab.
If you're willing to get HD2, you should really read up on flashing with custom ROM.
Check it out in the store first for a while. Take a couple of visits and use it like you would normally use it
I also had a G1, though I did have some WM experience before. I miss the Android notifications, which are much better integrated. I miss Android gtalk, I barely use it WM now (bad integration and not good UI).
I do find myself doing more reading of websites and ebooks now, also videos. These were my goals for the HD2, so I'm happy with my decision. The bigger screen helps a lot and the physical size is barely taller than the G1 and a bit wider, but also thinner.
These forums can help out a lot if you have patience and the ability to read and follow steps.
I also have a G1 and have been considering getting the HD2... my only hesitation is that it's running WM. I had 2 prior Windows mobile phones (Wing and Touch pro) and really hated them. Just didn't really like anything about the mobile Windows. About 2 months ago I needed to get my G1 replaced and broke out my old Touch Pro to use while I waited for the replacement and forgot how much I hated Windows Mobile but to be honest the Touch Pro wasn't a great phone, lots of lag running 6.5 but still seemed halfassed finger friendly.
Windows Mobile, just like Android or Apple isn't for everyone. They all have their good point and flaws and each will appeal to different users for different reasons while being utterly unappealing to others. Go to the T-mobile store and play with the floor model... go beyond the home screen, check apps, look at the layout, setting options...etc to really get a feel of it and whether you can deal with it. I'm going to wander over myself soon to do that.
I'm excited by the future of Android and looking forward to the updates to the OS where this phone will always be stuck running WM 6.5.x.
I know WM7 will eventually be unofficially ported over to this phone but I have zero desire to use WM7.
Still... the phone is soooo nice and some third party software may make it usable for me and I can use the installment plan with it and keep my family plan together... if I could do that with the N1 I would jump at it.
I had a g1 (rooted) and mytouch (rooted) and sold them both for an HD2
Its been a learning experience, the HD2 has its pros and cons, some of the things I like
The video recording is way better and you can pick the format, same for taking pics, the video player supports several formats at least , twitter , youtube and the basic apps are nice
Beyond that is the problems, the biggest downer for me was no turn by turn gps, and I have no idea where to find one that works (either pirate or buy it, no idea where to get one)
Also the GPS is not real gps, its AGPS only I think? meaning no gps in offline map mode if you lost data signal (correct me if im wrong)
The options on the phone are crazy, most of the good things are hidden in the registry and not turned on (clear type, other video /photo options, etc)
Opera is decent, IE is horrible, I ran it once and the fonts were huge, I just gave up on it
The market sucks, no decent apps at all, and im not sure where to find good apps, luckly on the net I was able to find skype, and it does work
I installed duttys task manger, its a life saver
So for me, really, other than the gps it mostly has the same options as the hero phones/roms
just with a lack of apps and no free turn by turn, I am still impressed by the big screen and graphics, watching transformers on it is cool and youtube is nice
I am using it unlocked with ATT , sometimes it has trouble when I am not on wifi, the apps don't reconize my connection (google maps) which is an upset, I installed the media net cab file
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I also have a G1 and have been considering getting the HD2... my only hesitation is that it's running WM. I had 2 prior Windows mobile phones (Wing and Touch pro) and really hated them. Just didn't really like anything about the mobile Windows. About 2 months ago I needed to get my G1 replaced and broke out my old Touch Pro to use while I waited for the replacement and forgot how much I hated Windows Mobile but to be honest the Touch Pro wasn't a great phone, lots of lag running 6.5 but still seemed halfassed finger friendly.
Windows Mobile, just like Android or Apple isn't for everyone. They all have their good point and flaws and each will appeal to different users for different reasons while being utterly unappealing to others. Go to the T-mobile store and play with the floor model... go beyond the home screen, check apps, look at the layout, setting options...etc to really get a feel of it and whether you can deal with it. I'm going to wander over myself soon to do that.
I'm excited by the future of Android and looking forward to the updates to the OS where this phone will always be stuck running WM 6.5.x.
I know WM7 will eventually be unofficially ported over to this phone but I have zero desire to use WM7.
Still... the phone is soooo nice and some third party software may make it usable for me and I can use the installment plan with it and keep my family plan together... if I could do that with the N1 I would jump at it.
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I thought the TouchPro was a great phone. I've liked all the WM phones I've had. But I also loved my Dell Axim and 2 Ipaqs before that, too. Anyways, if you couldn't stand any of your previous WM phones, I wouldn't recommend getting the HD2. It's not gonna be much different from your other WM phones if you hate using WM.
though i love the hd2's hardware... i cant go back to winmo... i'm eligible for an upgrade so i'm just going to get the hd2 for the 2yr contract price and sell it, then use that money to buy an n1 from google. so there's another alternative.
Had N1 with Tmobile and now HD2 with T mobile...Same signal issues. 3g then all of a sudden HSPA then Edge. I thought with GSM you could use 3g service while on phone. Haven't been able to do that on either phone.. I like HD2 because i can watch Divx. I like N1 because of navigation and all the apps that are available. The internet is faster on N1 then HD2. Plus you have apps that cater towards different websites so much easier. But then again you don't get a 4.3 inch screen. All in all if i didn't have t mobile as a carrier i think i would enjoy both phones.
Edit - Oh and i have to soft boot the HD2 quite often. "I ran all Rom's" Apps just like to freeze HD2
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Hello all,
My last 3 phones were Android powered. G1, Mytouch and Cliq.
Even rooted, with custom roms non were anywhere near as fast or have the multimedia power of the HD2. I have yet to flash a custom rom, cause the stock rom on the HD2 is quite good the way it is.
I have to agree, that the HD2 is a "grown ups" phone. It does what it does well, with no problems or freezing straight out of the box
fhaines
I have 2 rooted G1's and had an N1 for a couple of months. I sold my N1 (it was a TMobile band phone) and was going to buy the ATT version N1 but I thought I would try the HD2 first. I'm just setting it up and slowly getting it how want it so I can't give a comparison to the N1 yet. I suspect I will go back to the N1, I love the Google navigation and voice search on the N1.
You will miss apps from Android Market, and customized home screens. Other than that, it's a nice upgrade.
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Beyond that is the problems, the biggest downer for me was no turn by turn gps, and I have no idea where to find one that works (either pirate or buy it, no idea where to get one)
Also the GPS is not real gps, its AGPS only I think? meaning no gps in offline map mode if you lost data signal (correct me if im wrong)
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TMobile US version includes TeleNav free trial ($10/mo after that). But I suggest CoPilot. It's $30 one time fee. Better than Google Nav because the maps are on your SD card and as long as you can find a GPS satellite it doesn't matter if you have data. And it's just a standard Nav system. If you have a car dock it's no different than any other Nav device. Which is nice.
The GPS is one of the most accurate I have ever used. You can turn on and off AGPS (Settings...Other...AGPS). I find i works fine with it on. BUT in Google Maps you have to hit MENU and choose Enable GPS or it is just using cell tower triangulation and it is WAYYY off.
I just got and HD2 this past Monday and I am coming from a G1. The HD2 is very disorganized compared to the G1 IMHO. my G1 was rooted, had Custom Rom, themed (I did some of the theming to my phone), fast and reliable. As for the person who said the WinMo is a grown up's phone you juts are not using the G1 correctly and the G1 does do exchange EXCELLENTLY!!. I could use my G1 to manage my home network and Web server while on the road, seems pretty safisticated to me. I don't have that ability with the HD2, that I am aware of at this point. The HD2 has a nice screen but it is only doing a 16K color depth so there is no real HD but the video is still better than the G1. I am having issues at this moment with data not working over WiFi, For example I could connect to the WiFi on the G1 and still get my Exchange email push out as it arrived to my phone and get my Gmail. With the HD2 I cannot get gmail but I get exchange email, hmm.... Siound fishy. Apps that require data some work on wifi and others don't but everything works on edge and/or 3G and/or HSPA.
I will be going back to the Android OS, picking up the Samsung Galaxy S or TMO Branded Samsung Vibrant when it is released July 21st
[EDIT] I did root and custom rom the HD2 that seems to help performance some a little
I have an N1 and an hd2 prior phone was a G1 both android phones rooted and hd2 stock HD good for buisness a differnent animal all together I use the hd2 duing the week and my N1 on the weekend. Hell of a learning curve.
like many others, i also came from a g1. had the hd2 for about 2 weeks. its a great phone. but it is not an Android. there are a lot if free apps. but you're gonna spend a lot of time searching for them, especially if you want free ones. thered no refunds once you purchase. but it is faster, the screen is beautiful, just takes a while to get use to. but i do wish tmo when with the Evo... i would go for the n1 if i could afford it. no family plan upgrade. plus you get cyanogen. that guy is awesome!
Windows mobile takes a while to learn and set up the way you want, but once you do it is a lot more capable and versatile than android. I've used WinMo since 2003, and android since 2008, so I know both very well... I much prefer WinMo right now, but like I said, I've used it for 7 years. It is much more like a full computer os. You have to understand, too, that WinMo was designed originally as a PocketPC OS, and phone capabilities have been worked in since. Android was designed as a phone OS to begin with. Also, Android is still new and is actively developed, so in a couple years I'm sure it's capabilities will catch-up and surpass WinMo.... but for now WinMo is much more versatile, just not as user-friendly. It's not for the average phone user. I wouldn't suggest it to any new users at this point... especially ones used to android or iphone os.