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Am I the only one for whom that is a deal breaker? I'm using a 2.1 Sense ROM with the FPS unlocked. Whatever Froyo brings as a benefit, it can't be worth going back down to 25fps, can it? Not a troll thread (I don't think), but just wondering why so many people are willing to sacrifice their FPS kernel to upgrade to 2.2?
Cause in the scheme of things its not really a big deal to most people. Froyo is very fast on this phone, games and movies run fine, so the 25fps is not an issue... It's nice you have your standards and all but your missing out.
FPS has never been an issue for me. I am an hour or so into froyo...I like the responsiveness.
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because nothing that i do on a day 2 day basis does this matter to me. Yes it would be nice but the over performance increase by far outweighs that for me.
Because FPS isn't what this phone or any phone is all about. I would be willing to bet that over 90% of the users out there would not care about FPS or know what FPS stands for.
The FPS issue is a non issue to the majority. The Froyo update is smooth, the battery lasts much better than Stock 2.1 and its faster.
If you feel that the FPS henders you ability to use Froyo 2.2 then by all means stick with 2.1 with the OC/FPS kernels and wait until someone comes out with a "fix".
I will enjoy the update. I have NOVA, Golf and Asphalt by gameloft loaded and they work great. I am not a gamer just wanted to try them out. The graphics are amazing and I have not had any issues with lag or refresh.
I feel ya man..Im back on Fresh 1.0.1 with 2.1 because of this very reason.You can apply the froyo FPS fix to 2.2 right now but it breaks the rear camera..So for me its a combonation of Sluggish FPS or cameras and with that i decided to just go back to 2.1..
Now I must wait untill the official Kernal drops for things to get fixed again..I've gotten used to how snappy the phone is when running at a higher frame rate that even stock Froyo seems sluggish still..But most people dont play games and happy with the scrolling between home pages they way they are...
Its more of a personal preference thing when it comes to this stuff man.I personally dont expect a good Froyo Sense rom with FPS fixed untill september-October when hopefully the official Kernal will be out.Till then I will be on 2.1.
Simply put.. most of us dont care. It's definitely not that big of a deal to me. A few thousands of a second difference...
Yeah, me too. I appreciate all the other responses to my question, though. I am really surprised that nobody else cares about the frames per second. That is a must for me. It makes the fun much more fun to use because everything is so smooth. Oh well. I'll just keep waiting till the end of the year. Or else I'll break my camera. But then I won't be able to show people how cool Layar is!
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I feel ya man..Im back on Fresh 1.0.1 with 2.1 because of this very reason.You can apply the froyo FPS fix to 2.2 right now but it breaks the rear camera..So for me its a combonation of Sluggish FPS or cameras and with that i decided to just go back to 2.1..
Now I must wait untill the official Kernal drops for things to get fixed again..I've gotten used to how snappy the phone is when running at a higher frame rate that even stock Froyo seems sluggish still..But most people dont play games and happy with the scrolling between home pages they way they are...
Its more of a personal preference thing when it comes to this stuff man.I personally dont expect a good Froyo Sense rom with FPS fixed untill september-October when hopefully the official Kernal will be out.Till then I will be on 2.1.
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I run cm6 with froyo and 60 frames per second cameras still work everything but 4g and hdmi.
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Am I the only one for whom that is a deal breaker? I'm using a 2.1 Sense ROM with the FPS unlocked. Whatever Froyo brings as a benefit, it can't be worth going back down to 25fps, can it? Not a troll thread (I don't think), but just wondering why so many people are willing to sacrifice their FPS kernel to upgrade to 2.2?
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I never see the effects of 30 fps cap on real world applications. All my 2D games runs fine. I don't play 3D games on Evo, and I doubt the Adreno GPU can output 30+ fps on a First Person Shooter anyways.
I don't get it, where is the 30fps cap visible?
I don't notice it dropping, but I've never applied an FPS fix either.
You won't notice it in the browser, or 90% of the apps that I use. I guess it could be visible in games and maybe videos? But I've never watched a video on the phone, and I haven't found many games worthwhile.
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Yeah, me too. I appreciate all the other responses to my question, though. I am really surprised that nobody else cares about the frames per second. That is a must for me. It makes the fun much more fun to use because everything is so smooth. Oh well. I'll just keep waiting till the end of the year. Or else I'll break my camera. But then I won't be able to show people how cool Layar is!
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I understand where you're coming from man, I am very sensitive to FPS I guess, due to PC gaming. More FPS is ALWAYS better, but I'm curious to try FroYo and see how it feels. I think I'll be willing to wait a bit for the FPS fix to come, if not I can always restore my fresh backup.
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I never see the effects of 30 fps cap on real world applications. All my 2D games runs fine. I don't play 3D games on Evo, and I doubt the Adreno GPU can output 30+ fps on a First Person Shooter anyways.
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Go watch some videos of Nova. Runs very smooth.
PSX emulator with a 30FPS cap kind of sucks too.
The fps cap is irrelevant.
The human eye cant see at >30 fps soo any increase in speed or what not u claim to get at higher fps is all just imagined in your head
I can definitely see the difference between the two different levels of FPS (capped and uncapped) and so when the first froyo roms came out and there was no fps fix for them, i held off.
When CM6 came out and it had the fix built in, i jumped in and was never happier. I mostly see the difference when scrolling, on its own at the capped speed it might look fine, but when its uncapped, especially next to my iphone 4, the difference is readily apparent.
With that said, i think people are jumping on the official 2.2 rom because they are satisfied with the stock experience. There are definitely two camps when it comes to phones, those that mod and those who don't, neither side tends to understand what the other side does.
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The human eye cant see at >30 fps soo any increase in speed or what not u claim to get at higher fps is all just imagined in your head
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If you are on 2.1 still apply the FPS ''Fix'' and simply scroll through your home pages and tell me you dont see a difference...
The FPS fix for me has really nothing to do with games.The games i ran when i was useing froyo seemed perfectly fine but screen responsiveness was purely night and day.Froyo seems anciently slow once you've gotten used to how fast the ''fix''on 2.1 is.
And on another note im sick of the the human eye cant see the difference between 30 FPS and 60 FPS replys...You freaking sound like you work for HTC and were the main person in charge of those canned email responses we were all getting...I guess all these 60Hz-120Hz TVs are all just a sales gimmick.
Funny, when I first heard about all this FPS debate I couldn't understand how it could make any difference.
I have since installed CM6 and am getting average of 55fps. There is no way I'll go back. To those that say there is no difference, I have to imagine you haven't experienced it. Everything in the UI moves without stutter and touch response is spot on. This is much more than just a perceived difference. Makes the phone seem 'snappier'
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rdrjrh said:
The human eye cant see at >30 fps soo any increase in speed or what not u claim to get at higher fps is all just imagined in your head
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Try to play an FPS at 30 fps, then 60fps, then 100 fps, and if you can't see the difference, then congrats, you don't have to worry about things like these and going through the trouble of rooting and flashing kernels or new roms to uncap the phone.
At first I was apprehensive about it too, but eventually I just flash Fresh 3.0 and since then I've gotten used to 30FPS again. That's not to say I'm not anxiously awaiting an FPS fix to come out for Froyo though!
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And on another note im sick of the the human eye can see the difference between 30 FPS and 60 FPS replys...You freaking sound like you work for HTC and were the main person in charge of those canned email responses we were all getting...I guess all these 60Hz-120Hz TVs are all just a sales gimmick.
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Agreed. Anyone who says such thing shows just how ignorant they are. The human eye can see well over 100fps. To say that the human eye can't see beyond 30fps is an absolute joke. Download this video file, open with DivX and then come back here and tell us that again...Yeah.
Hello there XDA I just switched to the Aria from the Captivate. I am new to Android modding, so please bear with me.
I like the phone, It doesnt bother me losing screen space. However it is a bit slow with the 600 MHZ processor.
So if there are some people kind enough to guide me to/through the following it would be appreciated.
1. I would like to overclock it a bit, maybe to 800.
2. General performance tweaks
3. Get rid of Att bloatware
4. Root ( z4root is not in the market anymore and ATT disables side loading.)
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Everything u need is in the android Dev. Section for the aria its really simple. To find and to follow..I use cm6 rc2. It overclocks very nicely
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Hey Joshua, being new to the Aria as well (less than a month), I haven't looked into overclocking it... but I am running CM 6.1 RC 2, what do I need to do to start overclocking?
Install SetCPU to overclock. I wouldn't go over 825mhz as it starts getting unstable.
As for rooting, search for posts by user asiancuta. He did a really good write up that included a key point I didn't see anywhere else. It's titled NOOBZ: easy guide to rooting your aria.... Read all instructions, and make sure you understand it first.
To install cyanogenmod 6.1 rc2 do a search for That aria - she's so racy!
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Mike's Aria said:
Install SetCPU to overclock. I wouldn't go over 825mhz as it starts getting unstable.
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In the other overclocking thread (or overcloking as the OP spelled it ) several people posted that they were running at 864... what type of instability is likely? Also, doesn't overclocking HAVE to have some sort of adverse effect? Like reduced reliability or an increased likelihood of hardware failure? If there are no adverse effects, why would HTC not set the CPU higher from the factory?
I want to try it, but I feel like I pushed the limits of my comfort zone just by rooting and installing CM...
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In the other overclocking thread (or overcloking as the OP spelled it ) several people posted that they were running at 864... what type of instability is likely? Also, doesn't overclocking HAVE to have some sort of adverse effect? Like reduced reliability or an increased likelihood of hardware failure? If there are no adverse effects, why would HTC not set the CPU higher from the factory?
I want to try it, but I feel like I pushed the limits of my comfort zone just by rooting and installing CM...
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I always lean on the side of caution when it comes to overclocking a phone. I don't want to fry the processor since I can't replace it as easily as one on a computer.
Processors are never set from the factory to run at their fastest.
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While it might seem odd since all these phones have the same hardware they don't all respond the same to overclocking. Some people can do 864. I can't even get my phone to do anything over 825 and even 825 gives me issues. I like to keep mine between 768-787. Over doing it can cause damage and shorten the life of the processor but keeping it around 800 is probably safe as long as you moniter temps. Heat is the real enemy here. Manufacturers are trying to balance cost, reliability, battery life. Our little phone use a smaller battery and so a lower clock speed keeps the phone running longer. And the aria is a mid range phone, they don't want it to be faster than the more expensive phones. Also Higher clock speeds will drain your battery faster. At 768 the phone is noticeably snappier and the battery drain over stock isn't even noticeable.
Huh. That's good to know, Callmearia. However I don't even know where to start on any of this. I've never 'flashed' a phone or anything like that before.
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This is a really good guide explaining how to root your phone and install a custom recovery, Clockwork, with which you can flash ROMs, make backups, and a bunch of other stuff:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=788737
You will still not be able to sideload apps just by rooting though. You will need to flash a ROM in order to do that. Check out the Android Development section, it is all there.
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Huh. That's good to know, Callmearia. However I don't even know where to start on any of this. I've never 'flashed' a phone or anything like that before.
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I think most people can hit 864 now using CM6.1 RC2. I think some tweaks were made to allow it. Before I was only hitting 825mhz or 844mhz when I ran in to stability problems... but now I have none. Or, it could be due to the fact it's colder here now.
Alright, so after some adb troubles with Ubuntu 10.10, I am now rooted, woo!
So now, where to go from here?
This worked flawlessly and easy. Less than 5 minutes
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7449486&postcount=1
EDIT : I see that you already got rooted.
You have two choices for Attn1's custom ROMS
Liberated or Cyanogenmod
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=819715
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=821642
Take in mind that CM has more customizable features, INCLUDING OVERCLOCKING. Liberated doesn't.
Place the .zip on your SD card. Enter clockworkmod recovery by holding down the volume down button after restarting phone. Wipe Data, Cache, Dalvik Cache. Go to install zip from Sdcard. Pick the file. It should install. wait, and reboot and continue.
Customize it to your liking. Download apps/widgets
Turn off unnecessary background items. (Auto Sync)
Decrease Brightness
Only use GSM networks
(these are battery saving tips....lots more)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=505419
That is the SetCPU for XDA members.
To install, go through ADB in the command line, or download FASTAPP Install from the Market and place the .apk on your sd card and install it from there.
kaschenberg said:
I think most people can hit 864 now using CM6.1 RC2. I think some tweaks were made to allow it. Before I was only hitting 825mhz or 844mhz when I ran in to stability problems... but now I have none. Or, it could be due to the fact it's colder here now.
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That's probably true. I haven't tried going over 825 since way back with dumfuqs kernel.
Alrighty... did all that, now running cyanogenmod on my Aria! \o/
No more ATT bloatware.
I made sure to do a nandroid backup just in case.
Also overclocked to 768MHz. Phone seems a bit quicker.
Thanks guys
Any other tips?
Oh also adb stopped working again on Ubuntu >.< Anyone know how to fix that?
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L551 said:
Alrighty... did all that, now running cyanogenmod on my Aria! \o/
No more ATT bloatware.
I made sure to do a nandroid backup just in case.
Also overclocked to 768MHz. Phone seems a bit quicker.
Thanks guys
Any other tips?
Oh also adb stopped working again on Ubuntu >.< Anyone know how to fix that?
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Make sure you install the google apps package.
Also, Not too sure.
I use windows. Works perfectly on there. try that
Yup I made sure to install that. Need my market.
I'll see if it works on windows later.
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L551 said:
Alrighty... did all that, now running cyanogenmod on my Aria! \o/
No more ATT bloatware.
I made sure to do a nandroid backup just in case.
Also overclocked to 768MHz. Phone seems a bit quicker.
Thanks guys
Any other tips?
Oh also adb stopped working again on Ubuntu >.< Anyone know how to fix that?
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Try leaving the OC alone after the reflash.. It's defaulted to 864mhz and it works flawlessly for me.
It was default 600MHz for me.
EDIT: Holding down 1 to access voicemail no longer works, as there is no voicemail number in the options. What is it?
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L551 said:
It was default 600MHz for me.
EDIT: Holding down 1 to access voicemail no longer works, as there is no voicemail number in the options. What is it?
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Its different for every one. My VM is a local number. You can always just use your phone number.
I recently set my VM to go thru my Google Voice number now.
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Using my own number worked.
However, now my phone is freezing randomly, and causing the launcher to hang. (ADW and LauncherPro both do this)
It seems android.process.acore always takes alot of CPU time when it does this.
Hows the performance so far compared to 2.1? Faster or still the same?
Still is there a need to apply lagfix?
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Stock 2.1
Quadrant 850
Ryans Lagfix 2050
Stock 2,2 official update for my phone .
Quadrant 953
Ryans Lagfix 1825
Lag difference in day to day use never noticed a poor lag from day one .
jje
So are you saying that even though update to 2.2 still lag like usual?
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Yeah, after couple of days you need to apply some lagfix, because the system gets laggy
I see. That's bad. So without lagfix, it's not very usable?
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Latency decreased from like 540 ms to 65ms and data speeds spiked from like 2 mb/s to about 4.6 mbits per second now.
I flashed ka6 OVER NEROV5 AND IT IS AWESOME.
Just to forewarn you. You'll get a message about the titles of this thread.
But any other enhancements to this ROM?
the rom has alot of elements from gingerbread and nexus s phone and gingerbread multitouch keyboard.
What are these...elements of Gingerbread you speak of? You're the first person to say anything about the build..
I think he thought you were talking about Nero.
I didn't like it, was getting slower data speed on this one.. so flashed back to ka5
just a ququestion.. i never noticed this till like now, the back of my phone is hot, i just checked and it's 106 degrees.. is that normal? I'm not charging right now, just listening to music and browsing the web, is it because of the leaked firmware?
That's 41'C right? Even so, that's pretty hot.
presence06 said:
That's 41'C right? Even so, that's pretty hot.
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The phone is having a fever. Nothing serious. Just reboot and it will be much happier.
presence06 said:
That's 41'C right? Even so, that's pretty hot.
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I know right.. coz i hardly not have the case on it so i never really noticed, after flashing the new leaked rom then flashed back, i haven't put the case on and just noticed how hot it is..
Do I flash back to j16? Maybe I should, or do I even have to worry at all?
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The phone is having a fever. Nothing serious. Just reboot and it will be much happier.
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Will do that.. thanks
I'd keep an eye on it and see if it happens again or continues to stay hot.
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That's 41'C right? Even so, that's pretty hot.
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that's not too bad. i'm pretty sure i've seen mine get in excess of 50*C (according to setcpu widget) with no problems.
Ms_Vibrant said:
I didn't like it, was getting slower data speed on this one.. so flashed back to ka5
just a ququestion.. i never noticed this till like now, the back of my phone is hot, i just checked and it's 106 degrees.. is that normal? I'm not charging right now, just listening to music and browsing the web, is it because of the leaked firmware?
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Try replacing the water pump
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That's why I run nitrogen cooling.
It just needs more cowbell.
KA6
Really, doesn't everything need more cowbell?
KA6: I have been using it since it was released. It is nice. Better GPS than the previous releases. I do wonder why its not giving a faster quadrant score. I think it's RFS and the absence of a JIT compiler. Why can't Samsung just change to EXT 4? I'm not an expert by any means but the lag fixes use EXT 4. I know Quadrant is not an end-all-be-all test, but why would the Nexus one be putting out big numbers on older hardware?
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Really, doesn't everything need more cowbell?
KA6: I have been using it since it was released. It is nice. Better GPS than the previous releases. I do wonder why its not giving a faster quadrant score. I think it's RFS and the absence of a JIT compiler. Why can't Samsung just change to EXT 4? I'm not an expert by any means but the lag fixes use EXT 4. I know Quadrant is not an end-all-be-all test, but why would the Nexus one be putting out big numbers on older hardware?
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Absence of a JIT compiler? I thought THAT was a feature added in Froyo.
Who said this build didn't have a JIT compiler? It runs 13-14 Linpack scores just like every other SGS Froyo build. The compiler is not optimized for our processor, so you don't get the N1 type of scores. Gingerbread is optimized, which is the reason for the giant leap in stock Quadrant (ext 4 helps too). Patiently waiting for Krylon to work the bugs out of GB
Just went from a noob to a super duper updated vibrant, now running KA6 with Voodo kernel lagfix
My wife got a shift on release day and i played with it all the time before I got mine yesterday. I was getting 1650 in quadrant on her shift 100% stock no temp or perm root nothing removed ... so yesterday I get my shift, root it right outta the box and kill apps and run quadrant and my highest score is 1340 did rooting it slow it down or did I get a lemon? I havend RUU'd but I factory reset a few times with the same result... on a weird note I know that some peoples phones weren't able to handle the full 1.5 OC but mine does fine and pulls 2275 in quadrant with miui...weird huh?
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I had the same drop from about 1600 to 1300 after rooting it. I always knew when I ran visionary the performance was crap. Didn't really notice any slowness, just saw the numbers from quadrant.
I will check the wifes shift when she gets home (hers is rooted now too) and see if she has the same thing.
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Mine went from 1500's to 1200's
Somethings not right
and I removed tons of bloatware, dont have much apps installed (much less than when I got 1500's)
d1msum4lyfe said:
Mine went from 1500's to 1200's
Somethings not right
and I removed tons of bloatware, dont have much apps installed (much less than when I got 1500's)
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Since rooting?
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z4root doesn't seem to be much better. I'm temprooted with z4root and just got 1328. Prerooting I /think/ it was in the 1500 range.
Weird. I've also got a drop vs unrooted stock. With current Quadrent (1.7.1) I get in the 1300's. With previous version (1.5.1) I get 1400's. Out of the box I had 1500 - 1600.
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sigh..people still use quadrant? if you don't use pro version you can't tell what exactly is dropping or where the difference is..not to mention its flawed..
Try Smartbench 2010 and/or GLBenchmark
Can we just autodelete any posts that start with "sigh"? They never contribute to the conversation.
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I still get in the 1500-1600s perm rooted, usually capping out around 1645. Only thing I didn't do was install the recovery or flash any ROMs. Just froze the apps I didn't want to see in titanium. I also deleted Visionary but that's it. Everything else was the same as before I rooted. I never used my phone in temp root mode though. I went from stock to perm root without doing any performance tests.
I'm running miui oc 1.5g and my first couple tries were in the 2200s, downloaded the new version that just came out, played with it again this morning and I've been getting around 1900, I think the new version that came out may be causing it, version 1.1.7
whoever has an older version, can they pull the apk and let those who are getting 'lower scores' try it and see if the results are the same or not
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Can we just autodelete any posts that start with "sigh"? They never contribute to the conversation.
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What are you talking about? I contributed in saying that you can't base your assumptions on 1 benchmark..mostly a flawed one..in his case he lost "Quadrant Score" but Quadrant Score is vague as there is CPU, IO, 2D, 3D, Memory..
so there is n way to isolate the issue..unless you either use Quadrant Pro or another benchmark...because it can also be another Flaw in Quadrant too..if not you can figure out what exactly is being effected...
But you are right, we should autodelete posts that don't contribute to the discussion..like this guy:
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Can we just autodelete any posts that start with "sigh"? They never contribute to the conversation.
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Cpu is down a little. But I/O and 2D are down quite a bit from when I was running the stock rom, both around half. I'm kind of curious why that is. I'm wondering if its because now I'm on the Deodexed rom and not stock maybe? On a side note I was able to get 2517 on the 1.5ghz OC kernel and Desire ROM though.
Some people know it all I guess
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What are you talking about? I contributed in saying that you can't base your assumptions on 1 benchmark..mostly a flawed one..in his case he lost "Quadrant Score" but Quadrant Score is vague as there is CPU, IO, 2D, 3D, Memory..
so there is n way to isolate the issue..unless you either use Quadrant Pro or another benchmark...because it can also be another Flaw in Quadrant too..if not you can figure out what exactly is being effected...
But you are right, we should autodelete posts that don't contribute to the discussion..like this guy:
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Running the same benchmark on the same phone will tell you something, though. It may not tell you exactly where, but something is suffering.
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I noticed that when I updated quadrant today, my score dropped from around a 1600 to between 1300 and 1400.