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reception sucks!

I hate to say it but I am having 3g issues. By that I mean no 3g and one to two bars. Usually I have perfect reception.
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i've noticed on the incredible that my displayed signal strength isn't as strong as it is on my droid. haven't noticed a difference in call reception or data speeds though...yet.

Eris users have noticed the same thing as you bzbz when compared to the Droid. Could be the cpu or something else HTC vs Motorola.

i've noticed on the incredible that my displayed signal strength isn't as strong as it is on my droid. haven't noticed a difference in call reception or data speeds though...yet.
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I noticed the same thing but my download/upload speeds are just as fast if not faster. I gave my Droid to my mom and took her upgrade so I have both side by side, off WiFi downloading a movie and the Incredible is actually 20-50kbs faster than my old Droid and yes the Droid is over clocked with petes 1ghz kernel.

I have had the Incredible for a couple of days, and I've noticed a lower displayed signal strength than I'd see on my Droid in the same locations.
But I've not experienced any reception issues, and my internet speed seems the same or faster.
This is what I expected. We all know that you can't count on those reception bars to compare different phones, and also that Moto tends to have better radios/reception than everyone else anyway. As long as you're phone's radio is close to Moto's in the ability to make/receive calls, then normally you're not doing bad.

well it's good to know that the signal strength concern may be more of a "cosmetic" issue than a legitimate performance issue.

daftlush said:
I hate to say it but I am having 3g issues. By that I mean no 3g and one to two bars. Usually I have perfect reception.
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how is the quality on said reception? Other people's replies seem to indicate good quality even with less bars.

BzBz said:
well it's good to know that the signal strength concern may be more of a "cosmetic" issue than a legitimate performance issue.
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This...
It is definitely cosmetic, the newest radio i have installed on my eris does the same. The reception on my eris is better then my friends with the older radio, but he has more 3G bars.

designerfx said:
how is the quality on said reception? Other people's replies seem to indicate good quality even with less bars.
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It may just be the way HTC displays the signal. I know on the Touch Pro 2 and Touch Pro, the signal indicator frequently shows incorrect (lower) signal strength but works fine.

I compared signal strength between my BB Curve 8330 and my new Incredible.
In spite of the indicated signal strength being lower on the Incredible, the dBm was the same. It's only one location and one user, but I suspect it's not an actual signal strength issue.

i used my incredible all day. i work in a downtown area with many tall building surrounded and i still got a good 3g signal and speed.
from Boston.

the 3G speeds on my incredible are slower that my 2G G1 running on AT&T. i get les than 200 kbps downstream. My friend with a droid standing in the same room will get aound 1100 Kbps. What gives??

if you are haveing a tough time with a signal.. I update my roaming towers... I had an issue today where I couldn't get much.. I did *228 option 2 and it updated my roaming towers and have had no problems since... sometimes you need to do that with a new phone so it knows exactly what towers to look for

tried the *228 to update. Update was successful but no improvment. still have very slow data speeds and terrible call quality. reception stays about around -100 dBm

I'm also noticing what appears to be poor reception. I was getting better reception with my Droid than I am with Incredible. I've tried the *228 last night and this morning but that hasn't helped. Hopefully there will eventually be some kind of software fix for this. I'm seeing other threads on other sites with the same kind of complaints so I don't think it's a select few who are experiencing this issue.

hoop762 said:
the 3G speeds on my incredible are slower that my 2G G1 running on AT&T. i get les than 200 kbps downstream. My friend with a droid standing in the same room will get aound 1100 Kbps. What gives??
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Your speed will depend on what tower your connected to. on my Eris, I've gone from 1mbps/0.70mbps in New York, NY to 2mbps/2mbps in West Haven, CT. It's not the phone. The newer radio on the Incredible will show less bars, but your signal strength will be fine .(dBm)

My phone keeps dropping 3G my droid never has done this in the location the incredible is. I will go into airplane mode then back out and I will have 3g again

Over at Androidforums there is a thread going regarding reception issues. On page 2 is some help in running a debug on the phone that will give you dbm levels and some other info. I'm not sure how to use the info the debug gives but perhaps it may be of some use to someone here.
The link is http://androidforums.com/htc-incredible/70223-weak-signal-strength.html

rckeystone said:
Over at Androidforums there is a thread going regarding reception issues. On page 2 is some help in running a debug on the phone that will give you dbm levels and some other info. I'm not sure how to use the info the debug gives but perhaps it may be of some use to someone here.
The link is http://androidforums.com/htc-incredible/70223-weak-signal-strength.html
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You don't need to go into field test mode like this guy said, all you need to do is from the home screen > menu > setting > about phone > network.
Here you will see signal strength (typical between -100 to -80dBm) the closer to 0 you are the better your signal is (ie: 80dBm > 90dBm)
Hope that clears up some confusion. I've tested both the motodroid and the incredible side by side in a location with low signal and can say that my incredible gets better signal than the droid, even though the "bars" don't indicate as such.

my signal always stays at -81, is that a good thing?
im a new android and 3g user

signal strength

I live in lakewood, CA and the coverage map of T-mo says my place is Excellent. However, the signal strength is -82dbm on a desk near window. Today, I was driving to Fullerton. Every time I stopped at a red light, i checked the signal strength and it was at most -78dbm.
I found some posts of nexus one owners saying the signal strength is around -57 to -70 dbm when not holding.
does G2 have a weak receiver or is it just mine?

I wish I had signal strength as good as yours. I've never seen mine go above -90dBm!
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I think its gotta be yours. I live in sammamish (washington state) and at one time I got to -50. I probably average -75.
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I've gotten to -59 before and quickly decided to do a speed test. Using the speed test app, I get crazy numbers, I did a web based speed test and I got speeds (don't remember) but on a scale it said I was much faster than Sprints 4G network. Loving it.

What the... I'm at -89dBm with a full five bars. This is my second g2 and the first one was the same.
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Same.. -85 dbm full five bars.. -113 dbm at 1-2 bars.

From my very unscientific experiments
I fired up my G1 tonight and installed the Mobile Signal Widget (handy widget, free on the market).
G1:
Sitting on my desk or being held in my hand, the signal reads -99 on UMTS. Very solid reading.
G2:
Signal reads -91 to -93 on HSDPA, then occasionally 'drops' to UMTS. Signal tends to show around -93 to -99.
These readings fly out the door when I pick it up and hold it like I did the G1. Within seconds, the signal drops to -101, shows no signal, then drops to either EDGE, or at an extreme, down to GPRS then goes back to EDGE, usually leveling out from -95 to -101.
Putting it down almost instantly sees the signal strength go back up to -97 and reestablish the UMTS or HSDPA connection.
I don't have the internal pictures or design plans for the phone, but it almost seems like HTC did the Apple iPhone 4 antenna treatment to the Vision/G2 and is using the casing as part of the antenna.
EDIT: ...Or put it in a bad place. I noticed that the signal drops mainly when the lower left hand of the phone is held/covered. Holding it by just the sides and making sure the bottom of the phone (area that has the trackpad) is not covered or being touched causes a much smaller drop in signal. Holding it by the top corners results in next to no signal drop.
Allegedly, TMo is having nation wide issues with the HSDPA side of the network according to the report of someone in the TMo forums (claims to have been told this by a CS rep, so take it with a grain of salt).
So while I don't think the G2 has a worse receiver, it does appear to suffer from bad antenna placement, which can look like a bad receiver. This may or may not be an issue for someone as YMMV depending on usage patterns, bluetooth headset usage, and so on.
As for the main status bar indicator, don't be fooled. TMo tweaked the signal display to show only H, E and G. Install that widget and watch it, I bet your phone switches between HSDPA and UMTS a lot, and the main display never changes from H.
I call this a bit of weasel marketing. They make this big deal about the new network and speeds and their flagship phone supporting it, but configure it so that it only reports the HSDPA side of the network when it's connected at anything faster than EDGE. Makes me wish for a way to track over time just how much time it spends using the UMTS protocol vs HSDPA.
I hate to say it, but returning this phone is looking like a better idea more and more...

You're retarded. HSPDA is 3G.
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joebobjoe said:
You're retarded. HSPDA is 3G.
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Fine, if you want to split hairs, I've corrected my post to reflect the correct terminology (UMTS vs 3G).
It doesn't change the fact that the Froyo install has been modified
It doesn't change the fact that it's verifiable with the free utilities on the market
I can't think of a single reason that the '3G' indicator in the OS would be removed except to 'hide' the fact that the phone isn't always using the HDSPA protocol, which is being bandied about by TMo marketing as one of the reasons to buy a G2. I don't expect a phone to have a rock solid connection 100% of the time, it's next to impossible. But I also don't expect a device to have been modified in a way that is misleading and doesn't show the actual protocol the phone is using.
My post was to add my findings about the subject of the phone having a poorer receiver than earlier phones, such as the G1 and the N1, and along the way I found something I thought was interesting enough to add to the post. Pardon me for not being specific enough at 3 in the bleeding morning.
Next time, try responding without the personal attack or apparently not even trying to reproduce what I have found to see if I'm making things up, OK?

jdc said:
Fine, if you want to split hairs, I've corrected my post to reflect the correct terminology (UMTS vs 3G).
It doesn't change the fact that the Froyo install has been modified
It doesn't change the fact that it's verifiable with the free utilities on the market
I can't think of a single reason that the '3G' indicator in the OS would be removed except to 'hide' the fact that the phone isn't always using the HDSPA protocol, which is being bandied about by TMo marketing as one of the reasons to buy a G2. I don't expect a phone to have a rock solid connection 100% of the time, it's next to impossible. But I also don't expect a device to have been modified in a way that is misleading and doesn't show the actual protocol the phone is using.
My post was to add my findings about the subject of the phone having a poorer receiver than earlier phones, such as the G1 and the N1, and along the way I found something I thought was interesting enough to add to the post. Pardon me for not being specific enough at 3 in the bleeding morning.
Next time, try responding without the personal attack or apparently not even trying to reproduce what I have found to see if I'm making things up, OK?
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I'm sorry.

joebobjoe said:
I'm sorry.
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Accepted, mentally listing this as water under the bridge and moving on.

Time without Signal question

My fascinate seems to have abnormally high time without signal. Right now it is reporting 60% time without signal (Cell Standy is at 15% of battery use overall). Sometimes I have weak signal at my house or in certain spots at work, but very rarely do I go without a signal.
Is there some setting that I should look at? Or is my signal really that bad and I just never noticed it before since this is my first smartphone that actually reports this information?
Thanks!

It's probably the prl list which tells your phone what towers it can talk to. Try running the *228, option 2 to update the list and see if it helps. Also, do you live in a former alltel area? That can complicate things as well. There may be an extra setting in the mobile network menu that you can change to improve reception.
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It's probably the prl list which tells your phone what towers it can talk to. Try running the *228, option 2 to update the list and see if it helps. Also, do you live in a former alltel area? That can complicate things as well. There may be an extra setting in the mobile network menu that you can change to improve reception.
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I assume that *228 options 2 is just to update the roaming lists? If so, I have run *22899 (which just runs it automatically), but I can try that again since I haven't done it since rooting and installing new ROMs and kernals.
As far as being in a former Alltel area, I am not sure, I am in the Binghamton, NY area. In my mobile network menu there is only two options; Home and Automatic. It is currently set to Automatic.

How do i know if I live in a former alltell area, and if i do how can I improve my signal?
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No other suggestions and/or ideas?

Our radio sucks. Its a known issue with the phone. Put the Fascinate side by side a Droid X or Droid 2 or Droid Eris or Droid Incredible or Droid 1 or ..., you get my point, and you'll see that the Fascinate always has about half the signal strength that all the other phones have. I had >1% TWS while I was on Sprint with my Epic, but I switch to Verizon (which is supposed to have better service) and I get 33% TWS all day.

I have the same problem I get anywhere between 60-70% without a signal at home.
When I go to bed at night I lose about 25%. I called up verizon they sent out a site team and got back to me, supposedly I am on the fringe edge of where tower is, and nothing they can do and that is why it is marginal, even though my other phones work fine like my old blackberry.
It turns out the 3G needs a lot more signal, and my phone is constantly searching which is draining.
Only way I can remedy this is at home only use Wifi, and never have 3G. I do that now and only lose about 4% battery at night.
It appears the antennae really stinks compared to other phones. Maybe an update will fix it but I doubt it.

I regularly commute from the metro nyc area to long island, and I can verify that the phone has an obvious quirkiness in the cell phone reception. While I have anywhere between -109 to-96 dbm if signal strength in rural long island, I have full bars in the city. while that sounds normal, the reception drops tremendously as data is being accessed. The radio sucks and there is nothing we can do about it baring some engineering work or radio tweaking that is hard to test in the dev community. Flashing radios run a higher risk of bricking than your run of the mill custom rom.
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ludevious said:
I regularly commute from the metro nyc area to long island, and I can verify that the phone has an obvious quirkiness in the cell phone reception. While I have anywhere between -109 to-96 dbm if signal strength in rural long island, I have full bars in the city. while that sounds normal, the reception drops tremendously as data is being accessed. The radio sucks and there is nothing we can do about it baring some engineering work or radio tweaking that is hard to test in the dev community. Flashing radios run a higher risk of bricking than your run of the mill custom rom.
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Same exact thing I work in NYC and get full 4 bars..while I live about 40 miles north of the City. I usually get anywhere from -96 to -101 at home and -86 in NYC

Unfortunately, that doesn't sound off for your area. According to Verizon's coverage map, Binghamton is right on the northern edge of a rather sizeable no-coverage zone extending out of Pennsylvania. Also, the cellreception.com ratings from other people in that area are quite low.
That, combined with -- as other people have mentioned -- the Fascinate's seemingly sub-par radio means I don't doubt the 60% number is accurate. The Fascinate definitely doesn't receive a signal as strongly as other phones, I can attest to that -- my Droid 1 received a steady (if not strong) signal in some places my Fascinate goes in and out (or just out) of service. It's frustrating, and there doesn't seem to be anything we can do about it. I just hope it's a firmware issue that Samsung can fix -- and actually fixes -- rather than subpar hardware.

Falcyn said:
Unfortunately, that doesn't sound off for your area. According to Verizon's coverage map, Binghamton is right on the northern edge of a rather sizeable no-coverage zone extending out of Pennsylvania. Also, the cellreception.com ratings from other people in that area are quite low.
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That area, VZW has a roaming agreement with Sprint or some other carrier as I was up in that large "uncovered" chunk this past summer and had service the entire time.

Falcyn said:
Unfortunately, that doesn't sound off for your area. According to Verizon's coverage map, Binghamton is right on the northern edge of a rather sizeable no-coverage zone extending out of Pennsylvania. Also, the cellreception.com ratings from other people in that area are quite low.
That, combined with -- as other people have mentioned -- the Fascinate's seemingly sub-par radio means I don't doubt the 60% number is accurate. The Fascinate definitely doesn't receive a signal as strongly as other phones, I can attest to that -- my Droid 1 received a steady (if not strong) signal in some places my Fascinate goes in and out (or just out) of service. It's frustrating, and there doesn't seem to be anything we can do about it. I just hope it's a firmware issue that Samsung can fix -- and actually fixes -- rather than subpar hardware.
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Hmm never knew about that site cellreception thanks for that!
I just checked and now I see why I have barely any coverage, I am about 30 miles form verizon nearest tower.
Interesting thing is there is a sprint tower about 1 miles west of me...hmm
I always thought about switching to Sprint for cheaper and better phones I am tempted to return this and do that

For what it's worth, I've gone to 0% time without signal since updating to DJ05, but I still see non-trivial "Cell Standby" battery usage anyway. Usually around 15% after a day of use. Not sure if that means something is whack in DJ05 and the 0% is bogus or if it means that "Cell Standby" power usage actually has very little to do with that value. Not knowledgeable enough. It might be worth your time to try DJ05 if you haven't already.
There is also the hidden menu that lets you configure CDMA and GSM stuff, but I tried those (while on DI01) and *anything* I did in there just made it worse. I read somewhere that the radio may be looking for GSM services which shows up under "Cell Standby". My intent was to change the radio to CDMA only, but again, changing it from the default "WCDMA Preferred" just made things worse for me.
That second part was kinda meaningless .. lol, sorry. My reason for posting was to point out that my "Time without signal" dropped to 0% by installing DJ05, but didn't seem to have an appreciable affect on "Cell Standby".

djp952 said:
For what it's worth, I've gone to 0% time without signal since updating to DJ05, but I still see non-trivial "Cell Standby" battery usage anyway. Usually around 15% after a day of use. Not sure if that means something is whack in DJ05 and the 0% is bogus or if it means that "Cell Standby" power usage actually has very little to do with that value. Not knowledgeable enough. It might be worth your time to try DJ05 if you haven't already.
There is also the hidden menu that lets you configure CDMA and GSM stuff, but I tried those (while on DI01) and *anything* I did in there just made it worse. I read somewhere that the radio may be looking for GSM services which shows up under "Cell Standby". My intent was to change the radio to CDMA only, but again, changing it from the default "WCDMA Preferred" just made things worse for me.
That second part was kinda meaningless .. lol, sorry. My reason for posting was to point out that my "Time without signal" dropped to 0% by installing DJ05, but didn't seem to have an appreciable affect on "Cell Standby".
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I think that Cell standby is battery used by the cell radio when it's not in use. Time without service is battery used by the radio when not in use and looking for service.

djp952 said:
For what it's worth, I've gone to 0% time without signal since updating to DJ05, but I still see non-trivial "Cell Standby" battery usage anyway. Usually around 15% after a day of use. Not sure if that means something is whack in DJ05 and the 0% is bogus or if it means that "Cell Standby" power usage actually has very little to do with that value. Not knowledgeable enough. It might be worth your time to try DJ05 if you haven't already.
There is also the hidden menu that lets you configure CDMA and GSM stuff, but I tried those (while on DI01) and *anything* I did in there just made it worse. I read somewhere that the radio may be looking for GSM services which shows up under "Cell Standby". My intent was to change the radio to CDMA only, but again, changing it from the default "WCDMA Preferred" just made things worse for me.
That second part was kinda meaningless .. lol, sorry. My reason for posting was to point out that my "Time without signal" dropped to 0% by installing DJ05, but didn't seem to have an appreciable affect on "Cell Standby".
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Yep I am on DJ05 and did not make a difference. Out of curiosity before Dj05 what % were you getting without signal?

I am an Epic owner, same phone, sometimes same problem. One of the things I do is called the airplane toggle trick. It works for me, don't know what it might do for you.
My phone goes to 50% standby when I boot or turn off and on for any reason. To fix this, I turn off DRM in Running Services and do this trick.
Turn Airplane Mode on for maybe 30 seconds, then turn back off. This resets the radio.
This returns mine to 0%, so might try this.

[Q] Anyone having signal issues?

I just picked my new Fascinate yesterday and have been noticing something strange. I routinely have a very low signal with 3G and WiFi in places I've always had a great signal (or so I thought). Just to get it out of the way, I am not using any kind of case and I have already done a *228 update.
For example, tonight I put my Fascinate, a friend's Continuum, and a friend's original Droid in front of me on a table to compare their 3G signals. The Droid reported 4 bars, the Continuum 2 bars, and my flickered between 0 and 1.
At home, my "old" Omnia 2 routinely got 3-4 bars (still does even though it's deactivated) and my gf's LG Ally gets the same. However my Fascinate gets 1-2, sometimes dipping to 0.
Oddly, I have the same issue with my WiFi signal. At home my PC and laptop have a full strength signal while the phone is lucky to have a that first dot and maybe a bar. At work, I can walk within 4 feet of my Wireless-N router and still not have a full signal
Now everything *seems* to work so I'm hoping it's just an algorithmic display issue, but I have gotten a "Network Error" message a few times. For good measure, I'll probably pop into Verizon to compare my signal to the various displays there.
My question is: Is this a general Fascinate issue? Do I have a lemon? Should I just hope 2.2 is magic?
Thanks

same problem here.
I'm really hoping this gets fixed with 2.2.

I've had two fascinates now, and they've both had really poor signal strength compared to any other phone I've used or seen. Was at lunch the other day with a friend with a Droid 1, and I was getting 1 bar, he was getting 4. At home, it's consistently 1 to 2 bars at best, and I live less than a mile and a half from the nearest tower.
While I don't drop calls, I think it's pretty clear that the phone has a particularly week antennae design.
Since you say you just got the phone, I assume you haven't rooted and played with other roms yet. But in case you have, I noticed a significant drop in signal strength, both cellular and wifi, using JT's DJ05 rom. And it was more than just a display issue, since the wifi connection would repeatedly drop - even in the same room as my router. Switched to the stock DJ05 and I was back to normal (if you consider 1 to 2 bars normal).

Just wanted to follow-up on this. After a week of comparing signals to every smartphone I ran into, I came to the conclusion I either had a lemon or the Fascinate had serious engineering issues.
I went back to my local Verizon store and compared my phone's signal strength to all the Android phones in there, including the other Fascinates. Every phone was between -73 and -86. My phone never got any better than -101. So they swapped phones for me (new one out of the box) and this one performed like all their other phones in the store. I am now enjoying my old, normal, strong signal strength and my battery is still at healthy 80% after several hours of use, even a little wifi usage.
Moral of the Story: Check your signal strength (on any phone) against the phones in the store before you leave and don't be afraid to demand a new phone if you have that sort of concrete data to back it up!
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DI01 has a signal reporting bug that is fixed in DJ05/DL09. With DI01, the best I got was -86dBm, and the jumps did not really seem to make sense. After going to DJ05, the reported signal goes up to -50dBm or so and moves in a logical direction (go inside, signal goes down) where before it would just move randomly. It is possible that there was also bad hardware, but I'd guess that it had more to do with the crappy software Samsung provided.

Interesting. I've not had any ambition to root/flash my Fascinate (I swear I did it weekly with my old Omnia 2) so for whatever it's worth, my experience was always with the stock DI01.

Hopefully you won't have similar problems after we get the maintenance update, whenever that may be.

Driod 2 evdo signal question.

I have downloaded both Real Signal and Signal Status from the market. I keep having issues with my data not working(it's been ongoing since I got the phone.), so I wanted to know what my actual dBms were. But for some reason, on both apps, the highest evdo reading I get is about -3 and the lowest is about -30. But I don't know what that means in terms of real signal as everything I can find on google and that I understand, it should be between -60ish and -115ish but I have never seen those numbers on the evdo side. Am I wrong? I understand that it is the same dBm as 1rxtt, and I know they are different tech, but I would think it would be similar any way. However, I don't know antenna tech at all. So that's why I posted the question here. I have done a google search with no real relevant results, but I didn't search XDA specifically, as I thought if there were any relevant results they would have popped up in my google search. And all the relevant postings that I came up with said the same as my assumption. That signal should be between -60ish and -120ish.
Thanks again for all the help, you guys are awesome.

1 bar ~ -102 to -120 dBM
2 Bars ~ -93 to -101 dBM
3 Bars ~ -87 to -92 dBM
4 Bars ~ -78 to -86 dBM
5 Bars ~ -40 to -77 dBM
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I was able to hunt down that chart (Granted it was for a BB, however I would imagine the info would still roughly apply to any device), but I was not able to locate any real description of bars vs dBM. However, from what I've read before, just because you have a lower dBM (IE: -40) doesn't really mean you're going to have full bars/better service. I could be wrong, but from most of what I've read over time showed it was only a very vague correlation.

Do you get intermittent loss of data where only the right arrow under the 3G icon is active? That happens to me frequently as well and I have to go in and out of airplane mode to reconnect. Some of us think Blur causes it.
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Granted, I only kept the stock rom for about 3 days before I installed a custom, blur-less rom. However, I seem to recall having some data issues while using the stock rom. I donno if it was part of blur or something else causing it. However ever since I've flashed to a new rom I havent had a single issue.

I've been having issues with data like this, too. I have put an Airplane toggle widget on my home screen just for this. I am near Fort Collins, CO, but I guess it looks like people may have narrowed it down to ROM issues and not location or Verizon.
Maybe they'll fix it when they roll us out to Gingerbread.

silverfang77 said:
Do you get intermittent loss of data where only the right arrow under the 3G icon is active? That happens to me frequently as well and I have to go in and out of airplane mode to reconnect. Some of us think Blur causes it.
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Yes. It happens quite frequently, and an airplane toggle usually fixes it.

-Gilgamesh- said:
Granted, I only kept the stock rom for about 3 days before I installed a custom, blur-less rom. However, I seem to recall having some data issues while using the stock rom. I donno if it was part of blur or something else causing it. However ever since I've flashed to a new rom I havent had a single issue.
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I have wondered myself if it wasn't blur issues. It freezes all the time, and fiancees Ally doesn't have the freezing problem and general laggyness. And I know hers only has a slow 600 Mhz processor and is just a budget smartphone.

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I was able to hunt down that chart (Granted it was for a BB, however I would imagine the info would still roughly apply to any device), but I was not able to locate any real description of bars vs dBM. However, from what I've read before, just because you have a lower dBM (IE: -40) doesn't really mean you're going to have full bars/better service. I could be wrong, but from most of what I've read over time showed it was only a very vague correlation.
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Then should it be possible for me to hit single digits? I don't recall ever having a lower signal than -30 and it stays typically in the -8 to -20 range. When I was at about -100 cell service, I was at about -8 to-10 evdo. So something still must not be right with my phone. right now I am at -76 cell and -2 to -4 Ev.

I am seeing the same thing on my phone. I have ~87dBM cell service, and ~7dBM for evdo. I have always understood Verizon's voice and data network to be separate, I suppose this just goes to confirm that.

Here's a way to confirm if it's a problem with Blur, as opposed to VZW's network. Is there anyone who had this problem on the D2 with the stock ROM and then had the problem completely disappear (or at least reduce in frequency) after switching to Liberty ROM, or one of the others?

All my issues dried up when I flashed a custom rom.

I work in the industry. A -80 is generally the number you want to shoot for as far as having a good usable signal. Anything higher would be even better. Although once you get past -50 or so the signal is kind of hot and may cause issues. Anything lower is a bad signal (-90/-100) and would also cause issues.
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I had 3g issues with the droid 1 and cyanogen but Never with blur or liberty/droid 2 from the same house. I have noticed some "cell standby" signal loss on liberty but never really bad like some cyanogen builds..don't overclock and see if that helps.
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