should we all pick a specific winmo build and radio and test our android builds on it?
that way we can pinpoint the issues easier.
because as of now theres about a dozen different winmo builds running under android and the whole ****load of issues were having with android gets blamed on different radio and winmo builds.
can we kinda get our sht together( the users not the developers and cooks) and participate a lil more in this? at least by submitting productive reviews of the android build we use.
and having same exact winmo build and radio would im sure help alot in tracking down the problems that we re having.
i mean does it take alot to agree on one winmo build at least untill android is able to boot itsself up without winmo.
because as everyone can see,
even though the cooks claim to have no problems, we still get problems with pretty much everything, happening on random phones, and im assuming part of the reason is using different winmo builds.
i agree. there are many good winmo builds. and a great number of them run flawlessly with android. however its always a good idea to run what the developer is running. as i have been using the 'standard' energy build with 2.12.50 and have still been encountering strange issues like settings not being present on my phone (froyostone)
id personally like to hear what the developers think is the best winmo base rom.
and have everyone who wishes to run android and participate in bug reporting etc. to switch over to the chosen winmo rom.
would make life easier. +1 to the OP
I pretty much keep quiet in these forums but think this is a great idea. I'm using radio 2.12.50.02_2 which I've found as best and Elegencia V2.0 Final WWE rom.
Maybe we can force some sort of format to be used when stating an issue? Region, carrier, WinMo rom and version, settings changed, Android build? Maybe we should vote on a main rom for WinMo ment just for Android, with an active chef, that way we can iron out the bugs.
a group effort would help alot i think, since we all technically testing the builds we might as well be a bit more organized as HD2 users since it would benefit all of us by speeding up the android development.
i havent been diggin thru this phone long enough to know the whole system, maybe one of the cooks or few cooks can get together and bake an apropriate android winmo rom so we can all use it as a reference.
since most of android users/ testers run android daily without going to windows much i dont think anyone would suffer from running a stripped winmo build.
and once the robot can breathe on its own we can then focus on stability with different winmo builds, if that would be needed at all.
that involves cooks as well, i know you guys are running your own builds and all
but it would be a lil harder for us users to switch winmo builds for every different version of android that is coming out, because theres a new andy build almost every day.
if we could pick one and update it when needed????
well i see there are couple roms that are made for android,
i personally been using chunkyrom for all my androids
and seen alot of them beeing used as well.
can someone list the roms so i can make a poll
As stated earlier, just follow the setup the developer is using and you minimise any issues.
Personally I think a specific rom will be useful in trouble shooting.
But personally I cant stand most of the winmo rom's I dont use it very often but Incase something isnt working I need a rom that i can switch to and everything works.
I've tried chucky ive tried miri and both didnt work out. Honestly I am more versed in android than I am in winmo. So when I had problems with data connection Id revert back to energy.
So id have to vote for any energy based rom with working tethering!
Sorry, I dont think this is ever gonna work. I use my own WM ROM that I cooked myself, it has been stable for the last 6 months and I really cont be bothered faffing around changing the rom as it is exactly how I like it. The hardcore flashers may just about go with this but I actually have to use winmo quite heavily for work.
I have played about with the radio but still prefer the old 2.08 because it works best for me on my carrier where I live, but for someone else a different radio will be better for them. See where I am going with this?
I don't think it'd be a good idea, personally. One of the things I love about these android builds, and the wm roms, is the available choices. (But I also love tinkering with things, so it could just be a personal preference.)
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Personally I think a specific rom will be useful in trouble shooting.
But personally I cant stand most of the winmo rom's I dont use it very often but Incase something isnt working I need a rom that i can switch to and everything works.
I've tried chucky ive tried miri and both didnt work out. Honestly I am more versed in android than I am in winmo. So when I had problems with data connection Id revert back to energy.
So id have to vote for any energy based rom with working tethering!
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Same for me, Energy roms are the only winmo rom's that I haven't had issues with so I vote for energy based roms.
you guys dont understand, nobody is forcing you to stay with one,
all im sayig is to pick one while the android is in development stage, that way we know that the problems are coming from android and not winmo build since we use same build, or how about 3 builds that we can pick and stick to it untill we get android on main memory working, then you can all go back to any winmo build,
if you dont want to participate like i said nobody is forcing you , im simply suggesting this in hopes of speeding up the development since with same build we can actually trace the problems easier than having 30 random problems with different builds that are not even related to android.
so far i ve seen alot of chunky roms and energy roms used with android.
is there another popular roms there so i can list them in the poll
+1 .... Energy barebone for use andriod as an everyday OS radio 2.12.50
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This could be problematic when you consider that the ROMS being developed on are made for different phones, different version of WinMo, and different carriers. Each variation has the potential to change the quality of the outcome.
How about this instead. The cook develops the A-ROM on whatever W-ROM meets the cooks requirements and releases it. The cooks part is done. People can either use it or wait until a test group tests it against a base W-ROM.
For those who want testing before using an A-ROM, then a stripped down base W-ROM can be developed in minimal variations (device, OS, carrier) for the end users to test against.
This way cooks get what they want, bleeding edge users get what they want and those less willing to chance a balky phone get what they want.
I'm all for standardizing, but trying to limit a cooks options is not the way to go. In fact, it totally defeats the whole purpose of what they are doing.
some input from developers would be of great help. since they know more about the workings of the systems.
im just assuming that this might help.
if it would great im willing to use a single rom for all my andro builds since i dont ever go back there( like dos)
a good example would be battery life.
im running the new Nexus One Android 2.2 Build FRG33
and today my battery went down by only 1/4th all day in standby,
then another user reports that his battery leaks out like water.
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Hey guys, I am switching over from the htc blackstone and have experienced with using roms cooked by chefs. However, I am a beginner when it comes to android and have a few questions regarding cooked roms.
How polished are the roms cooked by the major chefs here? Because when using roms cooked for winmo, each ones have irritating bugs that need to be reflashed constantly on a weekly basis.
Is the desire rom build still in its early beta stage?
Thanks guys!
Cyan's ROM is perfect from my use. I have yet to try a sense rom, like modaco's because of compatibility problems. I can vouch for cyans rom being FAST and without error.
As far as I can tell the (non Sense) ROMs from Cyanogen and MoDaCa are really stable and don't have any issues with standart android apps.
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Because when using roms cooked for winmo, each ones have irritating bugs that need to be reflashed constantly on a weekly basis.
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Same thing here. Desire ROM has Bluetooth and Cyanogen's ROM on my phone Gmail sync didn't work.
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have irritating bugs that need to be reflashed constantly on a weekly basis.
Thanks guys!
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That's just WinMo surely?
Some of the roms can be, but thats mainly in test roms or "alpha" releases. Guys that create roms here are good at letting you know what issues are present in roms so you can decide if thats a big deal for you or not.
As a former winmo guy I would say there were plenty of stable roms that didnt require reflashing, ever. Where you using mtty? At any rate I have only tried enoms rom so far. It has a couple odd issues for me but most of them I found answers to, the gain over the stock rom is well worth dealing with them and the rom itself has been stable. I'll be giving CM a shot here shortly and see how that goes. There is in general a feeling of android development being in its infancy to me as compared to the winmo stuff.
The Desire rom is still in alpha stages, but it is polished enough to be considered a full release.
All ROMs available for N1 are near perfection. No major bugs.
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All ROMs available for N1 are near perfection. No major bugs.
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don't be posting stuff that just isn't true... Pretty much all the ROMS are super stable (as I type this I just got a call I tried to pick up with bluetooth and the phone froze up, only happend about 3 times in the last month).
However, some ROMs are farther than others.. Right now from what I know ALL the SenseUI roms do not have 100% Bluetooth working... this is because the bluetooth stack has hooks into the SenseUI Kernel. The Nexus One can't use that kernel...
There are always little fixes for the ROMs that cooks produce, but on the whole the N1 has experienced very stable roms for the most part. (I'm comparing to lots of other phones I have played with like my HTC Tilt, LOL).
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Hey guys, I am switching over from the htc blackstone and have experienced with using roms cooked by chefs. However, I am a beginner when it comes to android and have a few questions regarding cooked roms.
How polished are the roms cooked by the major chefs here? Because when using roms cooked for winmo, each ones have irritating bugs that need to be reflashed constantly on a weekly basis.
Is the desire rom build still in its early beta stage?
Thanks guys!
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My experience coming from the infamous HD2 (Leo) to my very first Android which happened to be the Nexus one, i can only imagine how HAPPY you will become.
I have been a looooong time Big time fan of Winmo from Pocket PC 2002 to WM 6.5 until few weeks ago when i decided to abort the ship.
I have just realized how stupid i am to compromise all my time in a mobile operating system that keeps on wasting my time (i.e. Taking out the battery because it hangs/froze up for so many times in one day, never missed a day without a dropped call, constantly ending task in task manager to speed up the phone etc.. etc.. Upgrading firmware every freaking week thinking that maybe this time it will be more stable etc.. etc..)
I did not realized all these until one day, i have decided to write down how many times i would need to restart my infamous HD2 in one day, guess what?? 37 times!
to make it short, i sold it and got the nexus one! and for the first time in my life, i felt that this phone is worth every penny!
Although, i missed the HTC sense... i now rooted it and installed kingklick version of desire rom which is absolutely amazing! and much much better than my previous HD2!
Now that the Android Market is getting popular each day! Im Lovin it!
Since day 1, i have not even restarted the phone nor had experience any hangs or any malfunction.
dont even think about using the sense rom, they have bugs and get slow over time, not to mention the horrible battery drain from the htc sense system bc of all the apps running, just stick with cyanogen or MCR
edit: i also came from winmo (omnia user) and the flashing experience isnt as exciting as winmo's, i personally enjoyed flashing like every week, but on the nexus you will flash like once every now and then as their roms are more stable, and new rom releases arent that often as the nexus is still new and is pretty much the most up to date android phone, so dont expect much until newer phones with better or different interfaces are released...
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dont even think about using the sense rom, they have bugs and get slow over time, not to mention the horrible battery drain from the htc sense system bc of all the apps running, just stick with cyanogen or MCR
edit: i also came from winmo (omnia user) and the flashing experience isnt as exciting as winmo's, i personally enjoyed flashing like every week, but on the nexus you will flash like once every now and then as their roms are more stable, and new rom releases arent that often as the nexus is still new and is pretty much the most up to date android phone, so dont expect much until newer phones with better or different interfaces are released...
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what are you talkin about??? i am using kingklick version 1.0 desire rom for two weeks and never had an issue (besides the noted bluetooth and camera flash capture). which ofcourse are acceptable to my daily use.
the rom itself is fast compared to the original modaco alpha 21, although it is still based with the modaco (with kings mods, it made a lot of progress)
it also includes the wifi and usb tether application built in.
never had a problem with the 3g or hsdpa and reception as well.
overall ot is great!
From an Android Mod to ex ex WinMo user........please start asking question in Q&a or General.....Developmental section is strictly for that.
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Hey guys, I am switching over from the htc blackstone and have experienced with using roms cooked by chefs. However, I am a beginner when it comes to android and have a few questions regarding cooked roms.
How polished are the roms cooked by the major chefs here? Because when using roms cooked for winmo, each ones have irritating bugs that need to be reflashed constantly on a weekly basis.
Is the desire rom build still in its early beta stage?
Thanks guys!
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This is the exact reason I am NOT playing the rom flashing game with my Nexus One. **** got REAL old on Winmo
So I've had bad experiences with phone hacks in the past, namely bricking my iphone thinking I could jailbreak it only to spend the weekend learning that "oh sure it can be jailbroken, if you meet criteria A,B,C,D,A1,G4, Alpha 3, Section 12 subset 15 paragraph 9" etc etc.
Point is, I'm scarred for life now and really dont want to be doing a bunch of seemingly innocent rom flashing, only to find out because I missed the reply on page 192 of 568 that I needed version .18.1 instead of .18 and now my phone is now yet another glorious paperweight.
Youtube videos seem to indicate that you just copy an android build to your SD card and launch. I come here and theres 500 threads with 20 different builds and each build is tied to a certain radio which is tied to a certain rom which requires these 3 applications first and bla bla bla.
I want froyo 2.2 on my HD2. I dont want robotic voices. I want bluetooth and media player to work and stream to my car. I want functioning youtube. I dont want a sluggish piece of junk that is impossible to navigate. I want my 3G HSPDA connection to run as good as it does on WinMo, and I would like to be able to tether.
Is this a painless enough process? Or am I gonna go through 10 different downloads and hours of flashing and reflashing to probably ultimately end back up on WinMo to get **** done?
I mean if none of the android builds are really ready for primetime and are more or less for goofing around with then I wont bother. Im not in the mood to experiment, I still need a phone I can rely on.
I'll try to make it simple for you, having done all of the above:
1. don't do it yet (unless you are ready for some frustration)
2. touch screen unresponsive some of the time (infrequent to frequently), but I am fine with it personally
3. to guarantee problem free, you need to redo your WinMo ROM to the same as the one used by the android ROM chef, I did and it worked fine (before it did not and I got robot voice)
4. if you are ok with #1, 2, 3 then YES, all you have to do is copy the files to the SD card and boot away, you will not lose anything on the WinMo side
Hope it helps!
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So I've had bad experiences with phone hacks in the past, namely bricking my iphone thinking I could jailbreak it only to spend the weekend learning that "oh sure it can be jailbroken, if you meet criteria A,B,C,D,A1,G4, Alpha 3, Section 12 subset 15 paragraph 9" etc etc.
Point is, I'm scarred for life now and really dont want to be doing a bunch of seemingly innocent rom flashing, only to find out because I missed the reply on page 192 of 568 that I needed version .18.1 instead of .18 and now my phone is now yet another glorious paperweight.
Youtube videos seem to indicate that you just copy an android build to your SD card and launch. I come here and theres 500 threads with 20 different builds and each build is tied to a certain radio which is tied to a certain rom which requires these 3 applications first and bla bla bla.
I want froyo 2.2 on my HD2. I dont want robotic voices. I want bluetooth and media player to work and stream to my car. I want functioning youtube. I dont want a sluggish piece of junk that is impossible to navigate. I want my 3G HSPDA connection to run as good as it does on WinMo, and I would like to be able to tether.
Is this a painless enough process? Or am I gonna go through 10 different downloads and hours of flashing and reflashing to probably ultimately end back up on WinMo to get **** done?
I mean if none of the android builds are really ready for primetime and are more or less for goofing around with then I wont bother. Im not in the mood to experiment, I still need a phone I can rely on.
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Wow were do I start.
Based on the fact that you have no info about your phone whats so ever I will assume you have a tmo us phone with atleast 2.08 radio.
Your radio will be ok if thats the case. As far as windows mobile rom its of personal choice. I've tried chuckydroid Ive tried Miri's 17 and always reverted back to a june version of energyrom that worked well for me.
The rom's and radio's you choose my help or hurt your call quality and battery life. Other than that they pretty much are just a big launcher.
Most builds you must place the folder called android In the root of the sdcard.
From there if you plan to manually run haret(the program that starts the linux kernal)
You must first selec clrad.exe( which will show no signs that it worked)
then select Haret.exe and the kernal will boot show a bunch of text then android should load.
If you should run into any problems please use the search function as not everyone has the same problem.
As far as the Iwants this is probably not ideal for you we are really just beta testers and if it works for us then it works. I didnt have robotic voices ever but I sounded like i was in a wind tunnel.
I Had sod's but I do not have them anymore My lock screen usually works every else is really hit or miss depending on the build you use.
You will have to do some searching on your own and it doesnt really sound like you are prepared.
This is the main thread that started it all It has the must info about the kernals
which is where most features are added.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7829012#post7829012
This is the thread for the build I use and Like
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=740963
Cyanogen based rom's are famous as he has given the android community alot.
shu8i does a great job of keeping us up to date
I hope that with this little bit of into you can get on the right track.
Coming from A g1 I had a hard time with winmo but I need to go back because android for the hd2 hadnt matured yet These guys have done a fantastic job getting it to work.
They have me saying I love my phone. Go in with no expectations.
Enjoy!
Well I guess my biggest confusion is, why are there so many different builds? I had the impression there was really only 1 dev team porting the actual android OS. Are the other builds just people monkeying with their work to get other features functional? I see things like "energyrom" and other "x-rom" names but dont know why I should choose one over the other.
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Well I guess my biggest confusion is, why are there so many different builds? I had the impression there was really only 1 dev team porting the actual android OS. Are the other builds just people monkeying with their work to get other features functional? I see things like "energyrom" and other "x-rom" names but dont know why I should choose one over the other.
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I think hazard99 hit the nail on the head. If you are not prepared to do the leg work then i would say just wait for a fully functional, fully flashable android port. Pick the one you want, whether it be the rom the desire uses, one with sense, one without or the newest android rom at that time.
I was adamant i would use android but have been rather unimpressed and other than not getting wifi to work (and i understand there is a workaround for that as well) it has all worked for me? So i have switched back to my glorious energy rom and will await a final build (maybe gingerbread)
So in summation maybe you should wait also?
Read as much as you can. Anything that says sticky or ref are most important. There is more risk with flashing radios and roms so be delicate with that. At this time android builds cannot brick your phone but they can be a little buggy as development is in progress.
Good luck
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
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Well I guess my biggest confusion is, why are there so many different builds? I had the impression there was really only 1 dev team porting the actual android OS. Are the other builds just people monkeying with their work to get other features functional? I see things like "energyrom" and other "x-rom" names but dont know why I should choose one over the other.
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What dcordes and cotulla and the guys are doing is creating a working kernal for the hd2. The builds are just are just brought over from other devices.
You have to look though all the info. You cant be told pick this one and it will be golden.
I rock shubcraft because cyanogen is the man and I believe its smooth. Darkstones with be my second fav.
Hey guys and gals, this may seem like a reasonably stupid, long-winded question, but please bare with me.
I've been cooking WinMo ROMs for ages now, loving it, it's great as a hobby. Not to mention cooking enables you to experiment with / use the later versions of HTC packages and WinMo versions and builds. Honestly I found myself cooking and flashing on a weekly basis.
But when it comes to Android I find myself asking questions like "Why bother?" and "what can I achieve?"
I will admit I have only just begun with Android. I've never had any success with linux on any of my home computers but I've never been afraid to try. So I downloaded my first build of Android, DarkStones SuperRAM build. I have to say I'm insanely impressed with the speed, the stability and the insane level of cusomization that comes with such a build.
But that's just it, in my eyes it's an excellent build and not much could be done to improve upon it, with the exception of maybe some tweaks (I can't find any that I need atm), or addons (which are so small and easily installed via the market)
So again I beg the (n00b) question of why cook an Android ROM? Is it really worth learning to cook it when all I'll be doing is maybe upgrading a kernel here and there, or integrating some tiny little component that I'd otherwise be able to download and install in seconds? The only real thing I'd be doing right now if I new how to cook for Android is remove some basic integrated wallpapers and maybe change some settings so it's more of an HD2 build than an HTC desire build.
My mind is in a quandry, I'm loving DarkStones' build so much that I haven't used WinMo in days, yet I yearn to cook something LOLs
P.S DarkStone if you read this, I'm liking your build so much, you've done excellent work and provided me with an excellent first Android build. Keep a eye on my sig, I'm gonna try and create a decent looking DarkStone banner, got any ideas?
There are a few things that need to be fixed ie usb thetering, wifi hotspot, gps and some minor things..
I'm not that big on debugging or programming, so fixing bugs is one thing I probably couldn't do.
Maybe ill just keep darkstones build up to date and see what changes between builds, I should soon see what can be done when cooking and see then if it's something I can get into
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Most builds start out as "I want something CLOSE to what you have"...
From there you tweak and change, add things you like, and remove things you don't... You end up with either:
A) A build which (as you say) is so close there's no point releasing it, but it's still AS you want it, with your settings, so you keep doing it in the background, updating kernels etc.
B) A build which has gone off on a tangent, and is dissimilar enough to be released.
I cook android to have my phone set up, how I want it, with what I want on it, as soon as I flash. It's (reasonably) close to the ROM I started with, so I don't release it, but I'm much happier after a flash, that the set-up is non existent, and everything is pre-configured. For this reason, I continue to do it.
Hi guys there's been a lot of movement in WP7 development for the HD2, I just wonder which is the best WP7 rom, that you guys have tried.
Thanks for your feedback.
I tried some custom ROMs. My favorite is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=953078. really a top Rom, fast, no bugs found, and all were detected sd cards
It's honestly tiring reading these posts, why don't you just simply try out each rom and judge for yourself which is the best for you?
I'm not bagging on you but is it too much trouble to use 2-3 minute to flash a new rom? Find one out there that you think suits you the best because everybody has a personal preference.
Sorry bazinga I just think that it takes 2-3 minutes plus a little more time to really evaluate the features of a rom, you know, battery drainage, wi-fi, among others, that’s why I’m asking to the people of this awesome forum to help me with their experiences. That's all.
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Sorry bazinga I just think that it takes 2-3 minutes plus a little more time to really evaluate the features of a rom, you know, battery drainage, wi-fi, among others, that’s why I’m asking to the people of this awesome forum to help me with their experiences. That's all.
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Oh in that case, I personally use Football's WP7 Rom.
With the battery registry tweak and using the 2.12 radio (on the TMOUS HD2), I've been getting pretty decent battery life, somewhere around ~60% after moderate use over 12 hours. The Wi-fi works flawless as it can connect to both secure and open networks. Phone and SMS works as usual and the zune integration is such a nice feature. Get an activation from M$ to start using all live features.
I haven't switched to other roms, although at least 4 have popped up this week, because there simply isn't a way to backup/restore SMS and other apps after flashing a rom. For you, you should check out the other ones but for now, I'll stick to Football's rom. No problems for me
I've tried a couple roms, but to be honest, they're all pretty much the same. There's not much to be changed in wp7 yet, and all the custom roms have the same tweaks and fixes done to them. The only one that seems a little different is XBoxmod's rom, as he does some changes to the icons, so I've been sticking with his rom because he seems to know more about the inner workings and tweaks for wp7. He also has a stock version available.
I don't really see the point of all these other people releasing roms that are no different from roms already out except maybe having a different lock screen.... but hopefully as things are learned, the different roms will become more customized.
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I've tried a couple roms, but to be honest, they're all pretty much the same. There's not much to be changed in wp7 yet, and all the custom roms have the same tweaks and fixes done to them. The only one that seems a little different is XBoxmod's rom, as he does some changes to the icons, so I've been sticking with his rom because he seems to know more about the inner workings and tweaks for wp7. He also has a stock version available.
I don't really see the point of all these other people releasing roms that are no different from roms already out except maybe having a different lock screen.... but hopefully as things are learned, the different roms will become more customized.
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i agree
Thank you so much guys for your fast and useful response, now I have a clearer view about the WP7 roms for the HD2.
Thanks again .
I've tried quite a few and currently running one (HD7 T3982 or something) which is pretty good, the builtin jailbreak helps as Chevron no longer works on the cpotulla nand...having said that, the original is much faster and to my eyes, has supoerior colours, might be first love syndrome.-)
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Hi guys there's been a lot of movement in WP7 development for the HD2, I just wonder which is the best WP7 rom, that you guys have tried.
Thanks for your feedback.
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The best rom ive used so far is
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991047
very stable and fast too
Hey I wonder why not many are liking Elminster's BlackSideSeven .. Great Rom .. no bugs .. i havent found one in more than a month's use .. i am using *.7004 version not the *.7008 spoof one..
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Vibhu
Ok, Which one is the best rom in 2012 so far?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=977 look here and first 4 topics.... this is most used ROM's in moment.... differences between is small... only problem can be in incompatibility of sdcard's
My two cents.
Let’s imagine you’re like me : you have an EU HD2 with 512 Nand space. You like to download apps; after all, it’s Android, not WM6.5 or WP7. So you’re like me and have around 150 apps on your phone using an ext partition. You also like “stock look”, whether it’s Cyanogen, MIUI or Sense. Also, let’s imagine you’re not a newbie : you know how to handle partition size editing flash.cfg files, how to install various A2SD methods, how to read changelogs and instructions, etc.
You have to agree this is not an excessive profile; just a guy with 512mb Nand, like his apps on EXT and his looks clean…
So, what's your daily stable ROM ? Answer is easy : none.
Since a month or two, Android on HD2 has been going downhill if you consider these points. Let’s “review” ROMS by category (and not ROMS in particular, I don't want to blame in particular)…
- Stock Android/CyanogenMOD :
they used to be great. They still are actually. Fast, stable and editable as you wish. You do have some FC from time to time or need to reboot but that’s ok. Even Hyperdroid now with its CM-based version can be themed to stock. And they got great darktremor A2SD support with a lot of space on NAND and EXT.
Problem ? Since several releases, there is a huge bug (see my sig) that causes incoming calls to be just silent or a “shhhh” whether it's stock or cm. You need to pull out the battery and wait 10 minutes for the reboot. Great when you are waiting an important call. No fixes around, no chefs really caring to fix it either.
A smartphone than can’t be used as a phone is just “smart” and pointless.
- MIUI :
I don’t like it’s Iphoney style but it’s fast, editable and some features are nice.
Problem ? Try to find one with really working A2SD in the long term ! Since SD days, this has been an issue. Whether it is darktremor’s method or A2SDkiller + data2sd installer method, you get either in a bootloop after 5 restarts, either the apps on EXT won’t show, just blank icons. And I tried every MIUI rom out there !
Next !
- Sense :
it used to be slow but stable/working (rafpigna), now it’s fast but buggy. Sense chefs are like kids with the new Sense 3.0. As soon it was released, they rushed into the store leaving behind their previous beloved toys/roms. So instead of a full working old Sense, you get 37 versions of instable 2.1 or highly buggy 3.0, or a mix of both.
Imilkaaa’s ROMs all suffer from a major A2SD bug that leads many apps or games on EXT to FC. And as many recent Sense roms are based of that A2SD method, they all have the same bug. No chefs seems to care about that. Cmylxgo’s ROMS leave not enough space on NAND for apps, etc.
So ? Well Rafpigna 4.0.2, a two months old ROM, still not really optimized is the latest fully stable Sense Rom. Slow but stable.
You see my point. Let’s be clear : I know chefs are working for free, I know they don’t owe us anything; I even donated to several of them.
But my message is : chefs or devs, STOP updating your ROMS daily for matching the latest line of code released and start working on stabilizing your ROM(s). We need our phone to call, to be called and we need our phone to work.
Experimental builds are fine of course but today, they are too many and it has become a nightmare for someone who just wants to have things working. Of course, I could flash two months old ROM for that matter…but I had the naivety to believe that chefs do care about offering a stable experience to the community.
I prey for charnsingh_online call to be heard : we need devs to work on optimizing/stabilizing the experience, not bringing new bugs every day or two.
The solution for now ? Learning to cook my own ROM (I might work on that but I have 0 knowledge and not much time unfortunately) or go back to WM6.5. You can imagine which one I’m considering now.
Please, let this be a discussion and not an trial.
Why didn't you just stick with a build you liked?
OP obviously works at Microsoft.
Hmmm,
well, I´m using still MDJ´s oldfashioned CM7 2.7 (and some fixes from that thread) and don´t know what you´re talking about.
I have a stable, fast, goodlooking and reliable ROM on my HD2.
I love Android
Since you have tested/used enough Android ROMS and your knowledge seems extended as I can see, you must have concluded to the fact that WM6.5 is a joke...
The solution for now is to stick to the ROM that works for you best, either it is NAND, RAM or SD. And since you're satisfied with it, don't flash every other day a different ROM. This way you don't have the time to actually 'use' the phone and appreciate its huge capabilities.
I was a WM user since 2004 with Windows Mobile 2003 SE, so I am happy I have gotten rid of them.
thinking the same thing...
A lot of roms but not one which is just stock and clean. (except typhoon, but which suffers by bugs too).
Don't understand why everybody just must "tweak" their roms so madly...
I see your points and obviously I could stick with a ROM that used to work and I will probably. I spent part of the day flashing all the ROMS from the Nand section's first page and I will now spent the rest of the day flashing old ROMS to remember the ones that were doing it for me.
Don't get me wrong : I'm ok with things not running perfectly. It's Android on a non-native Android device after all. But I'm frustrated to see the general level of stability/usability going down and even to loose some features !
Ex : if you want recent and fully working stock Sense with enough space for apps, your only choice is imilka's Incredible Sense with its major a2sd and wifi connectivity bugs. CoreDroid is heavily themed and Cmylxgo doesn't leave enough space for apps.
And while I could revert to rafpigna outdated but stable work, it's hard to do so when you tasted the speed of the latest build.
I have the impression that some chiefs just "hit and run" : "Bam, here's the newest features ! Don't ask for support and see you in two weeks for more new features and news bugs !" I'm joking...
I guess I should start learning how to **** ROMS. I've spent my day messing around with .zips content, I might take the big plunge...
Maybe you'd like to try Typhoon CM7 v2.7.6. I was using it for a few months and found absolutely no problem with it. No bugs whatsoever, everything is fast.
I've switched to Lady MIUI now.. Just for a change but it still has some quirks. The CM7 build I've introduced though is really solid, surprised that I didn't have any problem with it.
DannyBiker said:
- MIUI :
I don’t like it’s Iphoney style but it’s fast, editable and some features are nice.
Problem ? Try to find one with really working A2SD in the long term ! Since SD days, this has been an issue. Whether it is darktremor’s method or A2SDkiller + data2sd installer method, you get either in a bootloop after 5 restarts, either the apps on EXT won’t show, just blank icons. And I tried every MIUI rom out there !
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I never used to have a very stable build, until I tried MIUI.
I HATE the iphone look, so I use MIUI, but with Go-Launcher EX.....then it looks nothing like an Iphone and is 100% stable.
To be honest, i'm just VERY VERY greatful that I have been lucky enough to have DEVELOPERS on this site, who work their asses off and give us all these lovely ROMS and greatful that they have enabled us to have Android.
Otherwise, most of us would have got rid of or HD2 by now.
Can you imagine how much it would cost if one of us approached a developer not a member of these forums and asked him to build a ROM for us.
How many hundreds of dollars would that cost - scary!
If it wasn't for Devs working their butts off, mostly for free, apart from donations, then this subject wouldn't even exist.
OK, you said "you like apps stick with WM6.5"
Right, here is a list of just a few apps I have on my phone.
If you can provide me with a link to a site where an equivalent app exists on windows mobile 6.5, then, well....we'll see.
1: Swarm Torrent
2: Battery Left Pro
3: Fast Burst Camera
4: Talking Tom Cat
5: Sheriff Droid
6: Appmonster Pro
Awaiting your reply......
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Since you have tested/used enough Android ROMS and your knowledge seems extended as I can see, you must have concluded to the fact that WM6.5 is a joke...
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WRONG....Windows Mobile is a F**King Joke...lol
matt
i use motoman mytouch4g for daily usage and it very stable and i like it
i also love to try others roms
lately i tested new bulid of wp7
had bad experience with it ie luncking taking long time
connect to marketplace too running camera twice in a row dont boost the time that take it to load so i backed to android