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[REQ][MOD] SMS app drops msgs on 'low memory'

It seems as if there's some code in the SMS-receiving app that says 'if the phone is reporting low memory, fire a 'warning' notification and completely forget the message I just got sent'. We do not get to see who sent the message, and the sender is not sent a 'message failed' response.
As we know the phone reports 'low memory' a bit cautiously, you could actually have 10mb spare - plenty for an SMS. It's possible for the phone to reach a 'low memory' status whilst in your pocket, so the user doesn't know he's going to miss txts until one comes in.
Could really do with a mod to do something about this - still show the warning but accept the text as normal rather than dropping it?
This would go wrong if there actually isn't enough space to store the message (<1k?), but if the warning fires on every text then at least the user has had a chance to do something about it.

mamoulian666 said:
It seems as if there's some code in the SMS-receiving app that says 'if the phone is reporting low memory, fire a 'warning' notification and completely forget the message I just got sent'. We do not get to see who sent the message, and the sender is not sent a 'message failed' response.
As we know the phone reports 'low memory' a bit cautiously, you could actually have 10mb spare - plenty for an SMS. It's possible for the phone to reach a 'low memory' status whilst in your pocket, so the user doesn't know he's going to miss txts until one comes in.
Could really do with a mod to do something about this - still show the warning but accept the text as normal rather than dropping it?
This would go wrong if there actually isn't enough space to store the message (<1k?), but if the warning fires on every text then at least the user has had a chance to do something about it.
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Can the Nexus One actually run out of memory to receive a mere SMS? :/ Has this ever happened to you before or is this just a hypothetical question/request?

I don't think he would talk so specifically about it in detail if he was just making it up. I've lost an sms before too.
I was under the warning limit, but between 10mb and 20mb free, and my phone decided to tell me there wasn't enough room on the phone when an sms came in and that's that. No indication as to whom it was from, and definitely no way to get it again.

Yeap, it definitely does this. I've had it happen a few times and very annoying it is too. The message never gets received but shows as delivered at the other end.

Yes it has happened to me several times since having the N1, and just a few days ago on 2.2. Sometimes it's been 'my fault' because I've ignored the 'low on memory' notification, sometimes it's been the first I've heard of it - by then it's too late.
Either way, just dropping the message like that is not good :-/
Oh, and no, I don't think I've ever *actually* run out of memory, I've seen that 'low memory' warning appear but still have just under 10mb free.
So I think the SMS-receiving-code is being overly cautious/strict.

+1 for some workaround for this situation, when I went from cyan ext3 to froyo stock and trying fit everything on I did lose a few texts, which I had no idea where they were from.

what is the low memory warning? Can this phone actually run out of memory?

legion21 said:
what is the low memory warning? Can this phone actually run out of memory?
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Low internal storage space. The SMS's are not saved in ram you know? Install too many applications and you run out of internal storage space.

So can we clarify if this is low MEMORY or low STORAGE being as the two are completely different?
I've had missing messages so this may explain it?

It is when you have low STORAGE. Internal storage to be precise. Would be nice if you could have SMS going to mem-card. But yes, I have had the same issue in the past. And there is no way to retrieve the 'delivered' message that I know of. Very annoying.

Yes, low storage.
Install a load of stuff... Google Earth and Fennec beta should do it, and you'll get the warning. But it's a bit over-sensitive, you could still have 10mb or so left.
There's an issue for this on the official tracker:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=4991
doesn't look like it'll be looked at in a hurry though as there's not very many stars... so I hope a mod might be possible until G gets around to it?
(if you want to register your interest in the issue just star it, no need to comment with a 'me too' unless you're adding some info)
Edit: please keep 'store messages on SD card' to another thread... that is a big job, and it's not like we would actually have problems storing one 250-character message when we've got 10mb of space. The fix is for it to ignore that warning.

IDEA, install a program that when internal mem is detected as below the threshold where the system will rej, and overwride the default messaging and take hold of the message itself (and presumably SD it)

a very irratating bug indeed.. i have missed countless sms cause i have tonz of apps installed on an unrooted fone; leading to low internal storage RAM and thus getting this error... FROYO isnt much of a help with the option to put apps to SD since the apps have to integrate that feature and 95% of apps currently in the marked dont have that feature YET.. even GOOGLE Earth (25mb <- WAAA so big!!!) ..

I've added a comment to the bug. I would suggest everyone else does if you want this bug fixed officially, otherwise talk nicely to a dev on this forum

thelucster said:
I've added a comment to the bug. I would suggest everyone else does if you want this bug fixed officially, otherwise talk nicely to a dev on this forum
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No, don't add a COMMENT, just add a STAR. 'Me too' comments get emailed to everyone and are annoying. STARs register interest. Thanks!
So is it possible to fix this with a mod? Is it even in the SMS app or is it some other code that handles receiving the message?

try this post for altering your low space threshold:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=877793

I have had this happen to me too.
The most infuriating part of the matter is that the phone rejects the message, but the message is GONE forever. You have no idea who sent it, and they have no idea you never got the message. On top of that, there is still nearly 20mb of space left. WTF the phone needs to reject a 1kb sms when there is 20mb of space left completely blows my mind.
It is a terrible glitch and one of the few things I severely dislike about android.
One option could be an app for when the phone hits low storage, to put the phone in air plane mode?
This would prevent ANY sms from being rejected until you delete space, and take the phone out of air plane mode.

Once you get up to the limit on apps no matter where the low storage limit is set you always run the risk of running into it. It would be better to simply put all the data on sd, there would be no performance hit and the problem is permafixed. As an added advantage all your texts are backed up locally and with just a little more coding could be set up to be restored as needed when the app was reinstalled on the same or new device.

GldRush98 said:
I have had this happen to me too.
The most infuriating part of the matter is that the phone rejects the message, but the message is GONE forever. You have no idea who sent it, and they have no idea you never got the message. On top of that, there is still nearly 20mb of space left. WTF the phone needs to reject a 1kb sms when there is 20mb of space left completely blows my mind.
It is a terrible glitch and one of the few things I severely dislike about android.
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It is not that simple. AFAIK sms/mms are stored in the sqlite database. Which needs some maneuver space to operate normally. In fact, android SQLiteOpenHelper under certain threshold will open the database only in the readonly mode. Which seems to be happening here.
The pragmatic solution would be to "tweak" the free space display and show the real size minus some 30mb "reserve". So, the user would see "0 bytes left" and would not complain. Better still - stop receiving messages and signal "memory full" to the Short Message Service Center. Adding nagging notifications to the user. Seems like unfinished work by google.

krabman said:
Once you get up to the limit on apps no matter where the low storage limit is set you always run the risk of running into it. It would be better to simply put all the data on sd, there would be no performance hit and the problem is permafixed. As an added advantage all your texts are backed up locally and with just a little more coding could be set up to be restored as needed when the app was reinstalled on the same or new device.
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The SD way would be a straight road to hell, since all the data can "disappear" from under your arse at any random moment.
It's enough just to plug-in the USB cable or simply pop-out the card (easily doable on many models).
Even worse: someone can easily delete anything on the card since it is a stupid FAT32 with no permissions whatsoever. O just insert different SD card from the different phone. It is far from trivial to define what should the apps do in this case.

OCLF harder to get rid of than herpes!

I just can't seem to uninstall Ryan's one click lag fix. The options are not available. When I clicked on undo lag fix it says "you have only 289MB free on RFS, but 386MB used on EXT2. You must free up some space."
How do I free up this space???

im having the same problem lol any help with this would be appreciated.

Uninstall apps?
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I had that same issue, just let it run and it should finish. Hope this helps.
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domnjulz said:
I had that same issue, just let it run and it should finish. Hope this helps.
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Let what run exactly?

What a doing coincidence, I've been dealing with this very issue today.
I got the same message so I started deleting a bunch of superfluous stuff (gameloft games--holy cow those are big installs). Put in a fresh battery (can't do oclf with less than 40% battery) and clicked to remove the lag fix.
The thing ran for about 9 minutes and then gave me a very scary error message that it could not rename some data, that something had gone wrong and that it could be "very bad." Yeah. I then got a notification that I was very low on app memory. Checked free space on OCLF and got 1.8gb in ext2 and 39mb in rfs. Yeah, freaky.
Did a reboot and it looks mostly fine. Did file space check in oclf and it shows one volume in rfs, no evidence of any ext2 partition. Only issue is that it thinks a lagfix is in place because of missing playlogos1 file (i'm guessing it checks for it as a prerequisite to lagfixing). I thought I had restored that, but whatever. That seems to be the only issue though. Having some 3g radio wonkiness, but not sure if that's related.
Anyone got that playlogos1 file?

When i was running my lag fix i got that same error message. I tried pressing back to start uninstalling apps but saw that the remove lag fix was still running, so i just let the phone sit there for a few more minutes and it re-booted.

Yay, just went back into oclf and this time it gave me the option to reinstall the boot animation. That worked and now I'm lagfix free!

cool i just did that my self. Do you think we need to remove the ext 2 tools?

Just removed the OCLF. There was a moment of concern when removing when it was stuck on copying files from EXT2 to RFA. It was copying for it seemed like over 5 minutes and then rebooted. It finally finished, then I removed EXT2 Tools and unrooted without any problems.
I am definitely missing the lag fix. Hopefully the update will speed things up, if not, the lag fix will be reinstalled after compatibility is confirmed with JI6.

SO HOW THE HELL DO I FREE UP MORE SPACE??? I erased a bunch of apps already and it still says 289MB free on RFS. The only thing that changed was the memory used on EXT2 from 386MB 355MB

BUMP. Anyone??

By RFS it means internal SD. Remove something from your Internal sdcard to free up space.

well, I moved a bunch of videos and pictures from the internal memory to the external SD card and it made no difference.

I think it's gotta be apps, not media. The disk space we're playing with is the Vibrant's 2gb app partition.

m4r10 said:
well, I moved a bunch of videos and pictures from the internal memory to the external SD card and it made no difference.
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You must delete apps only. It's technically not the SD card itself but the space for app storage that is too low. Delete big ones, remove OCLF, then reinstall the apps.

Well I deleted a few apps and the RFS is till at 289. It didn't change. I got the memory used on EXT down to 229MB. It's still giving me the same message.
DONE. I backed up all of my apps and deleted most of the larger ones. It let me uninstall. Tested with quadrant benchmark and it's back down to the upper 800's

guys I keep getting this error!!
I cannot uninstall the lag fix... I have uninstalled a lot of apps and still nothing
what can I do?

jUsT2eXy said:
guys I keep getting this error!!
I cannot uninstall the lag fix... I have uninstalled a lot of apps and still nothing
what can I do?
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keep uninstalling. It worked for me.

m4r10 said:
keep uninstalling. It worked for me.
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Lol it takes so long.. some apps are like 800kb... tiny... and I have so many
Any other tips?
Can't I just delete /data/data or parts of it etc?
thanks
After many many long and boring minutes I uninstalled a lot of apps and its copying data back
thanks

[Q] False "Storage space running out" notification

I'm not rooted, completely stock 4.1.1.
I have a persistent "Storage space running out, some system functions may not work" notification, even though the storage settings page (pics 1-2) says I have plenty of space in both my internal storage and SD card. When I go to the manage apps page (3rd pic), though, it gives a different story, which is weird. I also can't download or update apps.
I did some searching and apparently this problem has happened to other people on other phones, particularly samsungs it seems like.
One person suggested using the DiskUsage app to find out what's taking up space. I tried to download it, and it said I had insufficient storage available, even though it's a 155 kb application. I deleted Skype, which is ~24 MB, and I still couldn't download the app because of "insufficient storage." Restarting the phone did nothing.
It seems like this has been happening on and off for a while, but I don't think I've tried to install any new apps recently and I've just ignored the failed updates. I can't remember exactly when it started, or anything I might have done differently around that time.
Any ideas?

That can happen when there's junk in your cache partition as well.. like rogue .apk's. I'd try to clean your cache partition first.

So I hooked it up to my computer and manually went through folders to find out where the space was being taken up. Turns out it was my podcast app (Acast). There was a gig or so of podcasts saved on the internal storage that didn't show up as being related to apps or anything.

[Q] Keep getting "Internal Storage Space Left" messages-is something being installed?

[Q] Keep getting "Internal Storage Space Left" messages-is something being installed?
I noticed that after hitting a certain remaining storage space threshold in Galaxy/android phones, I get an "Internal Storage Space Left: xx GB" everytime I install or update something. That's ok, don't really care about that.
However, starting a few weeks ago, I keep getting this message periodically, multiple times a day, without me explicitly installing or updating anything. Has this happened to anyone else? Is this normal? Any way to find out what's getting installed or updated (if that is what's happening)? When this first started happening, I also got a decline/accept pop-up box asking me if I wanted Google to verify apps (which led me to believe something is being installed). I unchecked the "verify apps" checkbox under security settings so that pop-up no longer shows, but the "Internal Storage Space Left" message I get is still annoying. Thanks.

s2kdriver80 said:
I noticed that after hitting a certain remaining storage space threshold in Galaxy/android phones, I get an "Internal Storage Space Left: xx GB" everytime I install or update something. That's ok, don't really care about that.
However, starting a few weeks ago, I keep getting this message periodically, multiple times a day, without me explicitly installing or updating anything. Has this happened to anyone else? Is this normal? Any way to find out what's getting installed or updated (if that is what's happening)? When this first started happening, I also got a decline/accept pop-up box asking me if I wanted Google to verify apps (which led me to believe something is being installed). I unchecked the "verify apps" checkbox under security settings so that pop-up no longer shows, but the "Internal Storage Space Left" message I get is still annoying. Thanks.
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Your phone consistently creates cache in the /cache partition, or your apps are probably updating their content (Gmail, RSS Readers, Facebook, Vine, Instagram, etc).
You should check your data usage and see whether it was downloading anything behind your back.

nicholaschum said:
Your phone consistently creates cache in the /cache partition, or your apps are probably updating their content (Gmail, RSS Readers, Facebook, Vine, Instagram, etc).
You should check your data usage and see whether it was downloading anything behind your back.
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Thanks for your feedback, appreciate it. Do you know of any easy way (or better yet, apps that do this) to monitor in real time, what gets installed and/or written to the install area of your storage? This way, whenever I see the "Internal Storage Space Left" message, I can quickly investigate what was just installed/written to my phone? When I'm playing music or watching youtube, whenever this message comes up, the audio freezes up for a second and it's getting really annoying now, aside from the fact that I don't want unknown stuff getting installed on my phone anyway. Thanks!

s2kdriver80 said:
Thanks for your feedback, appreciate it. Do you know of any easy way (or better yet, apps that do this) to monitor in real time, what gets installed and/or written to the install area of your storage? This way, whenever I see the "Internal Storage Space Left" message, I can quickly investigate what was just installed/written to my phone? When I'm playing music or watching youtube, whenever this message comes up, the audio freezes up for a second and it's getting really annoying now, aside from the fact that I don't want unknown stuff getting installed on my phone anyway. Thanks!
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I'm not sure, but I use Clean Master or SD Maid and they do the job just fine when cleaning up files on your phone. Maybe you should try those instead of preventing anything else from being added, so that when things get added you won't get a prompt when your phone is already cleaned out anyways

nicholaschum said:
I'm not sure, but I use Clean Master or SD Maid and they do the job just fine when cleaning up files on your phone. Maybe you should try those instead of preventing anything else from being added, so that when things get added you won't get a prompt when your phone is already cleaned out anyways
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Thanks for your reply! Actually, found a simple solution, don't know why I didn't think of this before. As soon as it happened again, I noted the time on the phone clock, then I went into my "root explorer" app and sorted the folders by time. I drilled down into the most recently modified folders and found a file that was modified at the exact same time noted above. It was the samsung gear fit app (or something to that effect) - don't know why I had installed it as I don't own any of the samsung gear accesssories. I deleted the app and the auto-install/updates stopped happening.

Continually "insufficient storage"

I have a rooted S5 w/ 16GB of internal storage, but I'm rarely able to update/download new apps. I have to scrounge for apps to delete for a half hour just to get it to let me download a new app or update an app. I have moved just about all the apps I can to the SD card (32GB, less than half used).
In the storage screen it says I have used 14.88GB in apps, and <20MB in everything else with "Free space" around 400-500MB. I usually have to get it to mid 500s before it will let me do anything on it. To make matters worse, somehow the apps I uninstall keep reinstalling themselves.
My problem seems to be this big "Applications" thing - which isn't right. I have some large apps, but they keep all their data on the SD card (like podcasts with PocketCasts). On my applications manager, from top down in size - facebook @ 190MB, google play services at 156MB, google app at 134MB... dropping off fairly quickly after that, so no way its 15GB worth.
What am I missing? Do others constantly have this problem? It is getting ridiculous! No reason that I can see that there should be a big bunch of stuff that is counted as used when it isn't.
Some things I've tried:
I heard about something the dumpstate/logcat, I cleared it but nothing got better
I used adb to set the default install location to the external SD card (I forget the exact command), as far as I can tell it is still trying to install in the internal SD card.
Any suggestions or more information needed?
EDIT:
More information thanks to DiskUsage (forgot I can download APKs - which install fine). It shows my internal SD card breakdown as 10796MB overall, 2612MB app data, 7815MB "System data", and 340MB free space (plus some other misc. that makes up the difference). I don't have a great understanding of how this is partitioned, but I'd imagine the ~16GB has 5GB off limits for ROM stuff? Then what is taking up nearly 8GB as "System data"? Is this normal?
EDIT 2:
Looks like it was creating duplicates in data/app (on a lot of phones I think this is data/app-lib). I used root explorer to purge the duplicates, and now have nearly 3GB free instead of a couple hundred MB!

I have the same problems but I use DiskUsage from the Play Store. Most of the time it's my cache for the download manager has several gigs of wasted space. Clearing cache fixes it for me.

Eodmule said:
I have the same problems but I use DiskUsage from the Play Store. Most of the time it's my cache for the download manager has several gigs of wasted space. Clearing cache fixes it for me.
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I'll check that out the next time I am able to install an app but I should mention I also tap the "cached data" in the storage manager thing (in settings). Usually doesn't work I also use CleanMaster, which seems like it works, some times.
EDIT: Just checked it out, that's awesome! I have been looking for this kind of app, I use WinDirStat on windows that does something similar.

mrzeus7 said:
EDIT: Just checked it out, that's awesome! I have been looking for this kind of app, I use WinDirStat on windows that does something similar.
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I use WinDirStat also. I really like the visual presentation of both.

Here ya go. You can try this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=66304384
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