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IS T-Mobile HAVING A HARD TIME....

IS T-Mobile HAVING A HARD TIME....keeping up with technological advancements. Why would T-Mobile release the G2 with 800MHz, it should at least be the first 1.5 Ghz device? I understand that not everyone wants a high end device but with all of us early G1 adopters, moving to N1 or Mytouch devices you would think G2 would be the next generation WOW device. T-Mobile please try and stay ahead of the curve. Your plans, HSPA+, and (Google partnership) 1st Android phone has kept you competing with the BIG 3. You have to make sure your devices aren't obsolete before the are even released (Garmin Phone). Even if you form partnerships (HTC, Garmin, Motorola), you should encourage your partners to use the voices of the forums (XDA, T-mobile, etc.) to see what the early adopters want. The forums are the voices of the buyers. You have lost early G1 buyers to other carriers because you aren't staying ahead of technology. I'm a T-Mobile fan for life where else can you have 3 smart phones with unlimited everything 3g speeds for under $180.00. But I want to be able to buy a smart phone that paint my toenails cyanogen JK!
Most of us are changing phones every six months, because we want the latest greatest thing. We are not going to downgrade to G2 we need a phone that will draw us especially if we know Gingerbread will be warm for Christmas.
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I think 800mhz is fine (doesn’t the iphone4 run at 800mhz)? Ive never had any speed issues with my nexus at 1ghz and would underclock it for more battery life... The overall usability of the device is more important than the cpu clockspeed... Ie I think the original droid with 500-600mhz cpu did better in some benchmarks than the nexus/hd2 at 1ghz because it had a better gpu.

I think it's an underclocked 1GHz Snapdragon so, Set CPU?
T-Mobile has more than 1 high-end HTC Phone on the horizon.
There's more where this is coming from. Patience, my friend.

You have specs on the g2?

This is all pure speculation until T-Mobile announces the actual hardware. Depending on the CPU/GPU used, clock speed might not be a reflection of actual performance. Much like Intel and AMD chips, it is no longer about pure MHz but efficiency and performance per clock cycle.
T-Mobile is the smallest nationwide carrier, so remember their development/operating budget might not be as drastic as the other 3 major players. This of course partially dictates how many OEMs they can seduce into producing a particular kind of phone for them. I understand T-Mobile needs awesome phones to attract new subscribers, but at the same time (unless it is an iPhone) it will be the quality of the network and pricing that will make people stick around.

I find it very had to believe that tmobile would allow their HSPA+ launch phone would not have a 1ghz snapdragon. Plus where have you gotten those specs from

While we're on the topic of rumors-
any of you heard the speculation surrounding that HTC Glacier?

wdfowty said:
While we're on the topic of rumors-
any of you heard the speculation surrounding that HTC Glacier?
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yeah, its rumored to have a low clocked i7, and come pre-installed with Crysis 2.

Blueman101 said:
yeah, its rumored to have a low clocked i7, and come pre-installed with Crysis 2.
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I heard it makes a delicious chicken parmesan too.

SeEsAw12 said:
I heard it makes a delicious chicken parmesan too.
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Only on wifi

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I want something massive with a keyboard maybe Evo with keyboard, I would be in love. I'm thinking about jumping carriers though, it was between Sprint and Verizon but Verizon's plan are more expensive and sprint has 4g in my area. T-mobile just received 3g in my area and I don't even hit 1mbps. I wanna go to sprint to get Evo or Epic but I'm more of a HTC fan I have a little hatred for Samsung. I just have to pay off the myTouch on my line and by then the G2 will be out and maybe myTouch HD. If they don't seem nice I'm going to Sprint

here is a link
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/T-Mobile-G2-phone-p_4839.html

"The information for this phone is PRELIMINARY and could be incomplete or inaccurate."

AT&T's response to my BBB complaint... "they aren't capping upload speeds"..yea right

AT&T's response to my BBB complaint... "they aren't capping upload speeds"..yea right
On March 09, 2011, the business provided the following information:
AT&T Mobility Tele: 952.703.4316
Regulatory Response Team Fax: 952.703.2307
AGENCY'S NAME:
Better Business Bureau of Metropolitan
Texas COMPANY'S NAME:
AT&T
ADDRESS:
1600 Pacific Ave Suite 2800
Dallas TX 75201 ADDRESS:
Office of the President
2325 N. University
Lubbock, TX 79415
AGENCY REP: N/A COMPLAINANT'S NAME:
Keith Geissler
AGENCY'S FILE NO.:
91172869 COMPANY'S FILE NO.:
CM20110302_18007584
AT&T Mobility (AT&T) received the above-referenced customer complaint and appreciates the opportunity to respond. Specifically, Keith Geissler complains that the recently released Motorola Atrix does not offer speeds anywhere near what advertised speeds claim. He is requesting activation of 4G services and removal of the cap on the Motorola Atrix services.
Account research regarding this complaint shows that AT&T is focused on delivering a wide choice of solutions and the best possible Smartphone experience to our customers. Be assured that AT&T has not "capped" the upload speeds on the ATRIX. The ATRIX is a HSUPA-capable device, and we currently are performing the testing and preparations necessary to ensure that, when we turn this feature on, you will continue to have a world class experience.
We ask that you please keep in mind; software is only one of many factors that can affect speeds experienced. Factors such as location, time of day, network capacity and facilities, can have an impact as well. Again, in order to ensure the best possible customer experience services will become available once testing has been completed.
AT&T sincerely regrets any inconvenience this issue may have caused. Please feel free to contact me directly at 952-703-4316 if you have any additional questions or concerns in this matter.
Name: Sheila Utech, Customer Appeals Manager, Executive Response

You must not have read the letter very well, now did you?
The ATRIX is a HSUPA-capable device
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when we turn this feature on, you will continue to have a world class experience.
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Thing is...I live in Dallas where 4G is "suppose" to be turned on.

It is not capped but we will turn it on ...SMH

I think the best idea would be to play the waiting game. Perhaps see what happens when they're finally done with the backhaul?

kgeissler said:
Thing is...I live in Dallas where 4G is "suppose" to be turned on.
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Understood. However, it has been heavily discussed that HSUPA is infact DISABLED on the device its self. Hence their response.
HSPA+ is SHOWN on the device as active in all markets, however that is due to tower upgrades to reflect that... it does not mean you have HSPA+ yet if the back haul has not been upgraded to support the speeds.

PixoNova said:
I think the best idea would be to play the waiting game. Perhaps see what happens when they're finally done with the backhaul?
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That is likely the case. Download speeds are not capped on the phone, only limited to what the backhaul to the tower in your area can support.
That said, HSUPA is in fact disabled, so you WILL NOT see speeds above 300k/s until they enable it with a firmware upgrade (or a dev here on xda fixes it )

A read of the sentence following the one you highlighted in bold indicates AT&T admits that HSUPA is not enabled yet. I'm hearing it will be enabled in June in 7 markets. A better question to AT&T might be why are they limiting access to existing HSPDA+ today, that testing has already been done.

Jim_R said:
A read of the sentence following the one you highlighted in bold indicates AT&T admits that HSUPA is not enabled yet. I'm hearing it will be enabled in June in 7 markets.
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The truth comes out... its good to know the BBB is good for something, as they couldnt just give a BS line in that response. Now we know they did infact disable it on purpose AND it will be activated.

I am still waiting on a letter from AT&T's office of the president...

it doesn't matter if you are living in a 4g zone, the fact is that the atrix won't do hsupa until an update for the phone gets released to enable it. at least they admitted that it's turned off

Op. How did you go about filling this complaint? Email? Or is there some link on the bbb site?

substance12 said:
Op. How did you go about filling this complaint? Email? Or is there some link on the bbb site?
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Went here: http://www.bbb.org/
Put in my zip code, and there was a link to "file a complaint". I just put all the information in and submitted it online.

I filed a BBB complaint with this, to clear their BS responses about 4G and backhaul upgrades, which has not a single iota to do with our issue:
Currently, AT&T is disabling HSUPA and high speed internet on all smartphones EXCEPT the iPhone 4. I understand 4G is not fully deployed, I'm still trying to get 3G speeds, but this is disabled on my 1-year-old Samsung Captivate, as well as the new Atrix 4G.
This has nothing to do with network upgrades, backhauls, or 4G. I'm simply trying to get 3G speeds as the iPhone 4 has with HSUPA. This was maliciously, and intentionally, disabled by AT&T on all non-Apple phones.
I can take my wife's iPhone 4, put it next to my Atrix or Captivate, run speeds tests, and the iPhone will be 2-4x faster. They are intentionally disabling HSUPA on Android phones, to preserve some notion of "upscale" on the iPhone 4, and this is fraudulent, and false advertising, as the specifications for both the Captivate and the Atrix say it has HSUPA, which is high-speed upload on 3G.
Again, this has NOTHING to do with 4G, or the network upgrades. I just want to get what I pay/paid for, and many of us are finding out that if you take a Captivate and experiment with the Bell Canada software for the modem, it enables the high-speed data, again NOT 4G, just like the iPhone 4, which is NOT a 4G device.
That experiment alone proves AT&T is deliberately and maliciously handicapping non-Apple smartphones.
I pay JUST AS MUCH every month for data as iPhone owners do, so it's not fair that they get 4 times the speed that I do, when the current 3G towers are more than capable of HSUPA.

Everyone should go to bbb.org and file a complaint and state specifically that the iPhone 4 works as HSUPA capable, the Atrix should as well since it is advertised as such.
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I filed a BBB complaint with this, to clear their BS responses about 4G and backhaul upgrades, which has not a single iota to do with our issue:
Currently, AT&T is disabling HSUPA and high speed internet on all smartphones EXCEPT the iPhone 4. I understand 4G is not fully deployed, I'm still trying to get 3G speeds, but this is disabled on my 1-year-old Samsung Captivate, as well as the new Atrix 4G.
This has nothing to do with network upgrades, backhauls, or 4G. I'm simply trying to get 3G speeds as the iPhone 4 has with HSUPA. This was maliciously, and intentionally, disabled by AT&T on all non-Apple phones.
I can take my wife's iPhone 4, put it next to my Atrix or Captivate, run speeds tests, and the iPhone will be 2-4x faster. They are intentionally disabling HSUPA on Android phones, to preserve some notion of "upscale" on the iPhone 4, and this is fraudulent, and false advertising, as the specifications for both the Captivate and the Atrix say it has HSUPA, which is high-speed upload on 3G.
Again, this has NOTHING to do with 4G, or the network upgrades. I just want to get what I pay/paid for, and many of us are finding out that if you take a Captivate and experiment with the Bell Canada software for the modem, it enables the high-speed data, again NOT 4G, just like the iPhone 4, which is NOT a 4G device.
That experiment alone proves AT&T is deliberately and maliciously handicapping non-Apple smartphones.
I pay JUST AS MUCH every month for data as iPhone owners do, so it's not fair that they get 4 times the speed that I do, when the current 3G towers are more than capable of HSUPA.
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I find it odd that AT&T is still sucking so hard on the teets of Apple. Apple was literally waiting for the day to leave AT&T and join other carriers. And through all the years I was with AT&T they gave me crap service because I had a smartphone that didn't start with an "i".
What they NEED to be doing is focusing MORE on us Android users like Verizon did with theirs while they didn't have the iPhone. Because eventually iPhone users are going to want better service (drop calls much?) and potentially migrate to Verizon. Then all AT&T will have left is bitter Android users waiting for their contracts to expire.
Thank God I bailed on AT&T. In a strange twist for me is that my download speeds on Sprint sometimes aren't as high as my upload o_0. No matter since I still get over 1500kbps both ways.
edit: Man this thread is on every major tech blog now

leadguy68 said:
Understood. However, it has been heavily discussed that HSUPA is infact DISABLED on the device its self. Hence their response.
HSPA+ is SHOWN on the device as active in all markets, however that is due to tower upgrades to reflect that... it does not mean you have HSPA+ yet if the back haul has not been upgraded to support the speeds.
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The fact "H+" is shown has nothing to do with towers or markets.
by looking through the framework images (shown below), they have completely replaced the 3G or H (without a Plus next to it) with an "H+" icon.
So it doesn't matter if you are on 3G, HSPA, or HSPA+, it will display "H+"
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notice the lack or "3G" or "H"

Sharkonwheels said:
I filed a BBB complaint with this, to clear their BS responses about 4G and backhaul upgrades, which has not a single iota to do with our issue:
Currently, AT&T is disabling HSUPA and high speed internet on all smartphones EXCEPT the iPhone 4. I understand 4G is not fully deployed, I'm still trying to get 3G speeds, but this is disabled on my 1-year-old Samsung Captivate, as well as the new Atrix 4G.
This has nothing to do with network upgrades, backhauls, or 4G. I'm simply trying to get 3G speeds as the iPhone 4 has with HSUPA. This was maliciously, and intentionally, disabled by AT&T on all non-Apple phones.
I can take my wife's iPhone 4, put it next to my Atrix or Captivate, run speeds tests, and the iPhone will be 2-4x faster. They are intentionally disabling HSUPA on Android phones, to preserve some notion of "upscale" on the iPhone 4, and this is fraudulent, and false advertising, as the specifications for both the Captivate and the Atrix say it has HSUPA, which is high-speed upload on 3G.
Again, this has NOTHING to do with 4G, or the network upgrades. I just want to get what I pay/paid for, and many of us are finding out that if you take a Captivate and experiment with the Bell Canada software for the modem, it enables the high-speed data, again NOT 4G, just like the iPhone 4, which is NOT a 4G device.
That experiment alone proves AT&T is deliberately and maliciously handicapping non-Apple smartphones.
I pay JUST AS MUCH every month for data as iPhone owners do, so it's not fair that they get 4 times the speed that I do, when the current 3G towers are more than capable of HSUPA.
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This is great! Wish i would have had this earlier today when i filed my bbb complaint and called att to complain. Im gonna use your words next time i have this conveersation.

mburris said:
The fact "H+" is shown has nothing to do with towers or markets.
by looking through the framework images (shown below), they have completely replaced the 3G or H (without a Plus next to it) with an "H+" icon.
So it doesn't matter if you are on 3G, HSPA, or HSPA+, it will display "H+"
notice the lack or "3G" or "H"
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Wow that is unethical! So we will never know the truth running att/moto firmware!?

Somewhat depressing since it was more of a case of..oops we got caught what can we tell them now. Now we all get to wonder how long are they going to make us wait till we can get this update that they are "testing".. I certainly hope it is soon since it is depressing that the 4g phone is slower than now 4g branded devices.
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Network Vision

Got some more info on it at work, won't share until it's cleared but I will say for those that stick thru these hards times, you will be extremely happy once this is completed and these upgrades will leave all other carriers in the dust.
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proof required, but very interesting news. hm.
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You are such a tease.
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You are such a tease.
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Lol trust me I wish I could share, as I was reading it my eyes lit up, the way the network will work is amazing and I think revolutionary.
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DirtyShroomz said:
and I think revolutionary.
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is it magical?

kingdazy said:
is it magical?
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The way it works, yes it is.
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LyndenP said:
You are such a tease.
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I concur with the above.

DirtyShroomz said:
Got some more info on it at work, won't share until it's cleared but I will say for those that stick thru these hards times, you will be extremely happy once this is completed and these upgrades will leave all other carriers in the dust.
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Sounds great, get out there and do it.

mattykinsx said:
Sounds great, get out there and do it.
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I work indoors
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So we have to wait about another year. Yay, what's one more year of ****ty service
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dirkyd3rk said:
So we have to wait about another year. Yay, what's one more year of ****ty service
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Where did this year come from?
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Where did this year come from?
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Idk, assuming "network vision" hasn't deployed yet one can only assume another year since its been almost 2 and 4G is still dog ****. Whatever you're talking about sure as hell isn't gonna happen in the next month
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I work indoors
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F that you work outdoors.
Fix it nao

if this is what he is talking about it was talked about last year
http://newsroom.sprint.com/news/sprint-announces-network-vision-network-evolution-plan.htm
Sprint Announces Network Vision – A Cutting-Edge Network Evolution Plan With Partners Alcatel-Lucent, Ericsson and Samsung
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OVERLAND PARK, Kan. (BUSINESS WIRE), December 06, 2010 - Sprint (NYSE: S) today unveiled its Network Vision blueprint to deploy a cost-effective, innovative network plan to further enhance voice quality and data speeds for customers across the United States. Sprint’s Network Vision is expected to consolidate multiple network technologies into one, seamless network.
Sprint has awarded contracts to Alcatel-Lucent, Ericsson and Samsung to bring Network Vision to life by implementing multimode technology to enhance service – coverage, quality and speed – create network flexibility, reduce operating costs and improve environmental sustainability. The scope of the arrangement between Sprint and these best-in-class vendors includes purchases of hardware, software and services. The awarded suppliers will deploy state-of-the-art technology expected to bring Sprint customers an overall enhanced network experience and deliver financial value to Sprint.
“Improving the customer experience – business and consumer – is the motivating force behind these network improvements,” said Dan Hesse, Sprint CEO. “We are very pleased with the results of our process which selected these three world-class partners. Each company realized the network proposal process was highly competitive, and each responded with innovative, cost-effective solutions.
“Network Vision builds on our legacy of wireless innovation and represents the next step in the evolution of our networks to best meet unprecedented growth in mobility services. We are well-positioned to take advantage of new technology, chipsets, devices and applications. Working with these three partners, we expect to deliver to our customers the most cutting-edge network capabilities available today and in the future.”
Today, Sprint uses separate equipment to deploy services on 800MHz spectrum, 1.9GHz spectrum and, through its relationship with Clearwire, 2.5GHz spectrum. Under the terms of the new contracts, Alcatel-Lucent, Ericsson and Samsung will install new network equipment and software that brings together multiple spectrum bands, or airwaves, on a single, multimode base station. (See ‘Current vs. New cell site’ at the Sprint Network Vision Information Center.)
The base stations will allow for the flexibility to offer new technologies using any of the 800MHz, 1.9GHz or 2.5GHz bands, as well as other spectrum bands. Sprint and the three companies expect to finalize the implementation schedule and begin the first stages of deployment in 2011. Completion of Network Vision across the Sprint network is expected to take from three to five years.
The implementation of multimode technology throughout the Sprint network is designed to:
* Enhance service – Improve quality and data speed; improve in-building coverage and coverage within the network footprint
* Create network flexibility – Ensure the most effective expansion of 4G
* Reduce operating costs by delivering capital efficiency, lease reductions, roaming savings and backhaul efficiencies
* Improve environmental sustainability by reducing carbon footprint and energy consumption needs
In addition to implementing multimode base stations, the Sprint Network Vision plan encompasses next-generation push-to-talk (PTT) with broadband capabilities and the integration of multimode chipsets into smartphones, tablets and other broadband devices, including machine-to-machine (M2M) capabilities.
Through spectrum efficiencies associated with Network Vision, Sprint intends to repurpose some of its 800MHz spectrum for CDMA service, thereby enhancing coverage, particularly the in-building experience for customers. Augmenting its 1.9GHz footprint with 800MHz, Sprint expects its CDMA coverage density will increase throughout the country. More density generally equates to fewer dropped calls and a more seamless network experience for customers. According to a 2010 PCWorld 13-city, 3G drive test, Sprint had the most reliable network. The Network Vision plan expects to enhance that competitive position.
“This is a very bold move,” said Berge Ayvazian, senior consultant, Heavy Reading. “Sprint was first with an all-digital wireless network; the first to upgrade to EVDO; and, more recently, the first to broadly offer 4G services. Sprint is once again first to deploy a common converged mobile network that will strengthen its 3G services; enhance its 4G technology options; and continue delivering the industry’s leading push-to-talk offering.”
Future of push-to-talk
During the nationwide implementation of Network Vision, PTT customers will continue to receive a superior customer experience on the iDEN network, currently performing at best-ever levels. As the Network Vision transformation unfolds, Sprint expects to launch the next-generation of PTT services in 2011 on the CDMA network, offering customers sub-second call setup time along with robust data capabilities.
Over time, a shift is likely to occur whereby customers demand more data-centric applications with PTT usage. According to recent industry research, U.S. wireless data traffic exceeds voice traffic for the first time in history. The industry’s mobile data revenue is up 27 percent this year*. (See ‘Wireless data growth trends’ at the Sprint Network Vision Information Center.)
As the shifting to more broadband-centric PTT applications on the CDMA network occurs, it is expected that iDEN cell sites will be phased out. This phase out is expected to begin in 2013.
“We’re seeing an increasing need from our push-to-talk customers for high-speed data capabilities, said Steve Elfman, president-Network Operations & Wholesale, Sprint. “Marrying the industry’s only sub-second PTT call setup with broadband data directly supports our customers’ needs and creates an unmatched offering in the market. Additionally, we fully expect a competitively priced lineup of rugged handsets and smartphones on the CDMA network.”
Greater efficiency benefits environmental sustainability
Across the country, as Network Vision is implemented, the size and power required to operate cell sites used by Sprint is expected to be reduced. Where an entire site can be decommissioned, Sprint intends to reduce its carbon footprint and energy costs. This network transformation will further Sprint’s lead in environmental sustainability and social responsibility. As Newsweek’s #6 ranked U.S. company in its recent “Green” rankings, Sprint will continue to aggressively identify ways to protect the environment. (See more at the Sprint Sustainability Information Center.)
Financial benefit to Sprint
Sprint expects the Network Vision plan to bring financial benefit to the company, not only by reducing operating costs, but also by avoiding future expenses as wireless data traffic continues to grow. The total estimated incremental cost of the Network Vision program during the deployment period is between $4 billion and $5 billion. Sprint estimates the total net financial benefit for a seven-year period to be between $10 billion and $11 billion. Cost savings are expected to come from capital efficiencies, reducing energy costs, lowering roaming expenses, backhaul savings and the eventual reduction in total cell sites. As Network Vision gives Sprint a more efficient network, and wireless data demand continues to increase, the per-unit cost efficiencies of serving Sprint customers should improve.
Network Vision implementation
The nation’s geography will be divided among Alcatel-Lucent, Ericsson and Samsung on a market-by-market basis. Several of the markets for each company:
* Alcatel-Lucent: New York City, Philadelphia, Boston, Washington, D.C./Baltimore and Los Angeles
* Ericsson: Atlanta, Miami, Houston, Kansas City and Dallas
* Samsung: Chicago, Denver, Pittsburgh, San Francisco and Seattle
* Research support: “New Cisco Visual Networking Index Forecasts Global IP Traffic to Increase Fivefold by 2013” – June 9, 2009
About Sprint Nextel
Sprint Nextel offers a comprehensive range of wireless and wireline communications services bringing the freedom of mobility to consumers, businesses and government users. Sprint Nextel served more than 48.8 million customers at the end of the third quarter of 2010 and is widely recognized for developing, engineering and deploying innovative technologies, including the first wireless 4G service from a national carrier in the United States; offering industry-leading mobile data services, leading prepaid brands including Virgin Mobile USA, Boost Mobile, Common Cents Mobile and Assurance Wireless; instant national and international push-to-talk capabilities; and a global Tier 1 Internet backbone. Newsweek ranked Sprint #6 in its 2010 Green Rankings, listing it as one of the nation’s greenest companies, the highest of any telecommunications company. You can learn more and visit Sprint at www.sprint.com or www.facebook.com/sprint and www.twitter.com/sprint.
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This news release includes “forward-looking statements” within the meaning of the securities laws. The statements in this news release regarding network performance, coverage and capabilities, business and network efficiencies, including expected financial savings, new technologies, products and services, environmental sustainability, and the business outlook and performance, as well as other statements that are not historical facts, are forward-looking statements. The words “estimate,” “project,” “forecast,” “intend,” “expect,” “believe,” “target,” and similar expressions are intended to identify forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements are estimates and projections reflecting management’s judgment based on currently available information and involve a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those suggested by the forward-looking statements. With respect to these forward-looking statements, management has made assumptions regarding, among other things, development and deployment of new technologies; operating costs; efficiencies and cost savings of multimode technologies; customer and network usage; customer growth and retention; pricing; service, coverage and quality; environmental sustainability; repurpose of spectrum; availability of devices; the timing of various events and the economic environment. Sprint Nextel believes these forward-looking statements are reasonable; however, you should not place undue reliance on forward-looking statements, which are based on current expectations and speak only as of the date of this release. Sprint Nextel is not obligated to publicly release any revisions to forward-looking statements to reflect events after the date of this release. Sprint Nextel provides a detailed discussion of risk factors in periodic SEC filings, including its annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended Dec. 31, 2009, in Part I, Item 1A, “Risk Factors,” and in Part II, Item 1A “Risk Factors,” of its quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the period ended Sept. 30, 2010.
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mattykinsx said:
F that you work outdoors.
Fix it nao
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Hah ill get right on it!
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I'm familiar with "network vision" that's why I made that comment about us seeing it in a year; looking at sprints history it takes them ages to get **** going.
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To be hoenst it won't make a difference if Sprint doesn't figure out which way it's going with on the 4g end

kingakuma said:
To be hoenst it won't make a difference if Sprint doesn't figure out which way it's going with on the 4g end
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Yeah I read that they inked another deal with clear through 2012 to continue using wimax so I'm hoping by then the so called "network vision" will roll out. It looks like they will use wimax then slowly push it aside and hopefully get lte going but idk.
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dirkyd3rk said:
I'm familiar with "network vision" that's why I made that comment about us seeing it in a year; looking at sprints history it takes them ages to get **** going.
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Beg to differ. I know of a site that already got the upgrade. One weekend it as a farm, the next weekend a couple of much smaller boxes, and a new tower. Sorry no pics, photography restricted location.

Sprint Network Vison / LTE / Wimax rumor thread [UPDATED 9/15]

I just wanted to start this thread to ask if any insiders or users such as yourselves have any new information regarding wimax expansion, LTE deployment or any other type of rumors that point to us getting better services in the future. Any timelines on deployment or hints at them are appreciated.
Update: All will be revealed October 7, God willing
Update 2: It looks like Sprint might be upgrading the existing EVDO Rev A network to Rev B. also a new video on network vision
Korey says the rev b upgrade is bs.
What I have heard:
Network Vision:
A new program to replace all existing cell sites with all new hardware which is backed by fiber optics (yes!!! no more 150k 3g) and works with all technologies on all frequencies possible (CDMA 800/1900), (Wimax 2500) and (LTE 800/1900/2500(Clear)/1600(lightsquared?))
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Light Squared LTE partnership:
Sprint is rumored to be negotiating with light squared to piggyback their network on sprint's towers further increasing the quality of sprint's lte network.
Edit: The deal is either done or close to complete. source
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Edit 2: It looks like lightsquared has vacated the spectrum which interfered with GPS in favor of some other spectrum. They claim the GPS interference is no longer an issue. If it's true we could see 1400/1600mhz lte in 2013.
LightSquared announces 'solution' for GPS issue, says LTE network will roll out on schedule
Bloomberg said:
“LightSquared and Sprint will jointly develop, deploy and operate LightSquared’s 4G LTE network,” according to the letter. “Sprint will become a significant customer of LightSquared’s 4G LTE network.”
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It's also worth noting that this network will operate in the 1600mhz spectrum and due to GPS providers illegal use of this spectrum, the lte network will interfere with vital high precision GPS used in agriculture.
Basically, John Deere is squatting on LightSquared's spectrum but there is nothing we can do about it because we need their products for food production.
Clear Moving to LTE:
It's a done deal the question is when. It's still using that nasty 2500mhz spectrum so I'm not all that interested.
What it all means:
The network vision upgrade should result in a dramatic increase in network speed because the back haul to the new towers is fiber optics meaning they won't be choked for bandwidth under the load of heavy smartphone use.
Vision should also lead to much better coverage in building and out because of the use of the old iDen (nextel) 800mhz frequency. 800mhz is why Verizon and US Cellular have the coverage they do. One 800mhz tower can serve the same coverage area three 1900mhz towers do. Sprint intends to switch all towers to use this frequency as well as 1900mhz when the 800mhz network is at capacity.
The light squared deal is a win-win for Sprint despite the controversy surrounding the interference Lightsquared causes with GPS. Unlike the situation they face with Clear today, Lightsqared will actually be paying Sprint to use their network. This could expedite the deployment of LTE for Sprint with the financial incentives Lightsquared will provide.
TL;DR
If the rumors are true Sprints network will be by far the best in the country. If you know something please tell us. I tire of Sprint's silence on their future plans (I want 1500kbps 3g/10mbps wimax nao!).
Even owners of Wimax devices (us) will see an improvement in overall coverage and speed as Sprint converts all towers to use Wimax and 800 mhz cdma (as well as lte).

Sweet. This would be great. My 3g is not 190k. It just says DEATH in a speed check. Lol.
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marcusant said:
Sweet. This would be great. My 3g is not 190k. It just says DEATH in a speed check. Lol.
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lol, I guess I should be thankful.

I have not heard anything more than what you posted ... but it does sound good for us (eventually)

I hope it comes true and quickly... The market is moving really fast right now and Sprint is starting to feel like is going to fall behind again...

cberrios said:
I hope it comes true and quickly... The market is moving really fast right now and Sprint is starting to feel like is going to fall behind again...
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i agree. releasing 4G before anyone was a great move and increased their revenue, regardless of the loss it reported from 2010(less of a loss than 2007-2009 for sure) but now that ATT, and big red have released LTE, sprint is already behind, atleast to those who know the difference in the types of 4g anyway. this will deff be a great step in the right direction for the company. now if only they would release a SGS2 WITH a keyboard ill be set lol oh well, maybe when SGS3 comes out =P ill probably still have my epic by then anyway hahahahaha

I hear you on the "keyboard" feature ... the AWESOME Screen Display and Physical Keyboard are what made me get the EPIC instead of EVO .... hopefully SGS3 !!!

TexasEpic4G said:
I hear you on the "keyboard" feature ... the AWESOME Screen Display and Physical Keyboard are what made me get the EPIC instead of EVO .... hopefully SGS3 !!!
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amen to that Tex. same reason i got this phone too.

Ohhhh man, this perks me up! I, too, got the epic after many months of research (and seeing every one of my friends who own Evo's replacing them every two or three months due to cracked/broken screens). I really hate the Evo for it's weight, but hate it even more because of its lack of keyboard.
Now back on topic. When I got my phone, I did the research on the networks, and was REALLY bummed that Verizon has the better speeds and coverage, whereas a few years ago, it was the opposite. *sigh*
I would really like to see this happen fast. My coverage where I live is bad, and we only have 3G right now (which I cannot complain about, but do when it does not work... which means A LOT of complaining).
Everything else about this awesome phone? AMAZING. Glad I chose it instead of the others. Just sayin.

I would like the technical controversy of whether WiMax handsets could ever be easily upgraded to support LTE laid to rest, yea or nay. I suspect nay, and since they expect 2 year or less upgrades for users, maybe it's a non-issue.

DroidApprentice said:
I would like the technical controversy of whether WiMax handsets could ever be easily upgraded to support LTE laid to rest, yea or nay. I suspect nay, and since they expect 2 year or less upgrades for users, maybe it's a non-issue.
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There is a chance they could be but, it is slim because the only lte band our phones could support is 2500mhz from Clear so it wouldn't improve coverage much (Vison will because of more towers but it will still be spotty) but speed could go up a bit.
I think it would be pointless though. They would be better off uncapping the Wimax speeds (which would make them more or less the same speeds as LTE ~ up to 40mbps). I would say most likely they keep the wimax caps (maybe ease up a little on the upload cap) and leave the phones with Wimax.

I was happy that Sprint made the first move with 4G. WiMax was already established in many markets, so it made sense for them to use that to be the first ones to market with 4G. And to be honest WiMax gets good and consistant speeds with relatively low latency (average 5-7 down and 1-1.5 up with around 70-80 ms latency), its just that once you enter a building or even a car for that matter the signal penetration drops off sharply. Thats that 2500 Mhz spectrum for ya. BUt hopefully this deal with light squared will accelerate thier LTE deployment. It would be nice to have all the major carriers on one universal 4G standard that way you could roam anywhere you go. I just hope sprint can stay in the game. This AT&T/T-mobile merger is going to put the hurt on the ol now network.

maybe......someday
expect the worst hope for the best that way you dont get your feels hurt lol
iam happy now lol

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hoping for a response from whosdaman or someone else who works for sprint

My bro works at Sams club in the phone department, and the Sprint Rep that handles distributing phones to all stores in the valley told him that they are not deploying out any more 4G as they are in talks to use LTE like verizon on their network.

WIMAX phones CAN convert to LTE....as can the currently deployed WIMAX equipment with no additional hardware...it's basically a software update. Sprint will be converting their 800MHz frequencies from IDEN to CDMA and will use LTE across all frequencies and incorporate aggregation which is where multiple frequencies are used simultaneously thereby increasing total frequency width and speed.
This thread should be deleted, while continuing on with this one...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1015442

TexasEpic4G said:
I hear you on the "keyboard" feature ... the AWESOME Screen Display and Physical Keyboard are what made me get the EPIC instead of EVO .... hopefully SGS3 !!!
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That is the same reason I got the Epic as well, but I now very rarely use the hardware keyboard. I'm excited for the new SGSII, but to each his own I guess
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lynyrd65 said:
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hoping for a response from whosdaman or someone else who works for sprint
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Lol, well what do you want me to say? haha...I've already talked about this previously.

"Cellular Frequency Aggregation: Using multiple Cellular Radio Frequencies in parallel to increase link speed" Think of it like Link aggregation whereas using multiple Ethernet network cables/ports in parallel to increase overall link speed......Using 3 100Mb ethernet ports at the same time to have an effective 300Mb total connection. This is only possible if both the sending computer AND receiving computer support the capability. NVIDIA motherboards with dual 1GB ethernet ports can perform this using their driver.
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From sprint website
Current vs. New cell site
Today, Sprint uses separate equipment to deploy services on 800 MHz spectrum, 1.9 GHz spectrum and, through its relationship with Clearwire, 2.5 GHz spectrum. Under the terms of the new contracts, Alcatel-Lucent, Ericsson and Samsung will install new network equipment and software that brings together multiple spectrum bands, or airwaves, on a single, multi-mode base station.
Comparison between today's base stations and Network Vision base stations
With Network Vision, Sprint will make substantial changes to the cell sites that power its wireless network. The top image shows Sprint’s existing base stations, which require single, refrigerator-sized cabinets for each technology. Large black coaxial cables must run from each cabinet to the top of the cell tower, which has an inherent loss of signal. The Network Vision multi-mode base station will require less space. Other advantages will include the ability for Sprint to use spectrum bands on multiple technologies, replacing coaxial cables with fiber that is not affected by signal loss and improved remote radio heads that replace existing less efficient radios.
Multi-mode technology
The implementation of multi-mode technology throughout the Sprint network will:
• Enhance service
• Create network flexibility
• Reduce operating costs
• Improve environmental sustainability
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Other Rumors alluded to by sprint
Berge Ayvazian, Senior Consultant, Heavy Reading
“This is a very bold move. Sprint was first with an all-digital wireless network; the first to upgrade to EVDO; and more recently, the first to broadly offer 4G services. Sprint is once again first to deploy a common converged mobile network that will strengthen its 3G services; enhance its 4G technology options; and continue delivering the industry’s leading push-to-talk offering.”
Steve Elfman, Sprint president of Network Operations and Wholesale
“We’re seeing an increasing need from our push-to-talk customers for high-speed data capabilities. Marrying the industry’s only sub-second PTT call set-up with broadband data directly supports our customers’ needs and creates an unmatched offering in the market. Additionally, we fully expect a competitively priced lineup of rugged handsets and smartphones on the CDMA network.”

lynyrd65 said:
There is a chance they could be but, it is slim because the only lte band our phones could support is 2500mhz from Clear so it wouldn't improve coverage much (Vison will because of more towers but it will still be spotty) but speed could go up a bit.
I think it would be pointless though. They would be better off uncapping the Wimax speeds (which would make them more or less the same speeds as LTE ~ up to 40mbps). I would say most likely they keep the wimax caps (maybe ease up a little on the upload cap) and leave the phones with Wimax.
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Looks like sprint will be raising the cap on the upload tommorow. I guess they read my post.
http://phandroid.com/2011/06/09/sprint-said-to-raise-4g-upload-cap-to-1-5-mbps-june-10th/
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How to buy a cell phone

How to buy a cell phone
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Few tools of modern technology have become as prevalent as the cell phone, which allows you to be in touch from almost anywhere, almost all the time. And you can do more than just talk: Today's phones let you send and receive email and text messages, surf the Web, and play music and videos. Sifting through the sea of service plans and handsets can be difficult, but we'll walk you through what you need to know to get the phone and the service plan that are right for you.
If you don't have to own the latest and greatest smartphone, there’s no time like the present to buy a new one, whether it be the newest iPhone, an Android superphone, or a business-friendly Windows Phone. Before you hit the stores, however, do a bit of research and read this guide so that you'll know exactly what to look for.
✔Features to Consider: What should you look for when you're shopping for a new phone?
✔Picking the Right Plan and Choosing the Right Carrier: Deciding on a plan and a carrier is a daunting process, but we have some useful tips.
✔Shopping Tips: Arm yourself with knowledge before visiting stores.
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Features to Consider
When you're shopping for a phone, you can do some simple hands-on tests in the store to ensure that the handset has everything you need.
Call quality: What good is a phone if it can't make calls? Some of the simplest, most bare-bones feature phones offer the best call quality, and some fancy smartphones offer dismal calling. When evaluating phones, be sure to make a few test calls. In our hands-on tests, we generally place some calls from a quiet room and several others in a noisy environment. You might not be able to replicate such tests indoors, but try your best. Listen for static, tinny voices, and interference. Ask the people you call if they can hear a disruptive amount of background noise.
Design: Your choices range from phones with large touchscreens to slider-style handsets with full-QWERTY keyboards. Whichever type of phone you select, check to see if it's comfortable to hold against your ear, if you can hear callers without constant adjustment, if you can use the phone with one hand (or by scrunching your neck and shoulder), if it fits comfortably in your pocket or bag, and if it's durable enough to handle some rough treatment. A solidly built phone should be able to withstand getting banged around in a handbag or pocket, as well as a bit of moisture and a short-range drop. You should consider investing in a case or display protector as well—especially if you’re somewhat accident-prone.
Microsoft's Windows Phone 8 is one of the many mobile operating systems you can choose from.
Operating system: If you're looking to do more than make calls and send text messages with your phone, consider the platform that it runs on. The mobile operating system you choose will greatly affect your phone's capabilities. The most popular platforms are Google's Android (found on multiple devices), iOS (found only on iPhone models), BlackBerry OS (found on BlackBerrys of various designs), and Microsoft’s Windows Phone. Each operating system has its own advantages and disadvantages, so familiarize yourself with all of them before settling on one.
Display: If you intend do a lot of Web browsing or movie streaming, make sure that the screen is big enough for you to take full advantage of the phone's features. For surfing the Web or editing Office documents on your phone, a screen that measures less than 3 inches diagonally will feel cramped.
Screen resolution: The higher the resolution, the better the screen will look—an important factor if you plan to watch videos or view photos on your phone. A high-resolution display is desirable if you plan to do a lot of reading on your phone, since text will look much sharper on it and be easier to read.
If your phone lets you adjust contrast and brightness (including backlighting), you can make text and graphics easier to view in well-lit places, and you can also save battery life in a pinch.
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4G support and availability: 4G networks offer data speeds that are vastly superior to those available on a 3G network. You can expect to see average download speeds of around 6 to 9 megabits per second while connected to a 4G network—though of course those speeds vary depending on your location and on reception quality. You'll encounter two kinds of 4G networks when buying a new phone: LTE and HSPA+. Verizon, Sprint, and AT&T have their own LTE networks, while T-Mobile uses an HSPA+ network that delivers comparable speeds.
The Motorola Droid Razr Maxx HD is one of countless LTE compatible phones.
4G is pretty much the norm on smartphones these days, and you'll definitely want it on your next phone. Normally, connecting to a 4G network costs nothing extra, though the faster data speeds do mean that you can quickly hit your data cap if you aren't careful. Carriers are constantly expanding their 4G networks; but if you're leaning toward choosing a 4G-capable phone, check the relevant carrier coverage maps to confirm that your region already has 4G service.
Cameras: If you expect to take a lot of photos with your phone, you'll want to pay attention to the phone's camera specs. For mid- to high-level smartphones, 8 megapixels is now pretty much the standard. However, a higher megapixel count doesn't necessarily mean a better camera. Verify that the phone camera you're interested in has a flash (dual-LED or Xenon flashes work best); otherwise, pictures you take indoors or at night will come out looking like blurry messes. Try to take a few pictures in the store to get a clear idea of the camera's photo quality.
The camera on the Apple iPhone 5 is one of the best around.
Most cell phone cameras also video-capture capabilities, and most midrange and high-end phones can capture high-definition 720p or 1080p video. If video is your thing, make sure that the OS provides an easy way to upload your videos to services such as Facebook and YouTube.
Many modern smartphones have front-facing cameras. These are mostly good for making video calls; but some camera apps, such as photo-booth apps, use the front-facing camera too.
Processor: Much like 4G, dual-core processors are quickly becoming the standard in phones. You can still purchase and run most phones just fine on a single-core processor—but going forward, most phones will have two or more cores. As time goes on, having a phone with a single-core processor may limit the types of applications you can run on your phone, and the types of updates it can receive.
Battery life: There’s no easy way to predict how long a phone’s battery will last. In our lab tests and hands-on evaluations, LTE phones have generally supported shorter battery lives than 3G phones have. Ultimately, however, it all depends on how much you use your phone. If you're always on your phone, browsing the Web and making calls, your phone probably won't make it through a full day before needing to recharge. If you aren't always near an open outlet, you can buy a case with a built-in wireless charger, or you can carry around an extra battery for your phone. For a complete guide to extending your phone’s battery life, check out our "How to Boost Your Smartphone Battery Life" article package.
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Picking the Right Plan
While shopping for a new plan, be realistic about how you'll use your phone. If you're getting a smartphone, you'll probably benefit from getting a plan that offers at least 2GB of allotted data. Having at least 2GB of data will enable you to download apps and browse the Web without having to worry much about going over your data cap. On the other hand, if you like to do a lot of bandwidth-heavy activities such as streaming music or video, you'll be better off paying the premium for a higher data tier. One upside to getting a smartphone plan is that the carrier usually includes unlimited talk and text. The days of mobile carriers' charging users for a set number of minutes or text messages are quickly drawing to a close, though the cost of data usage is going up. Customers on AT&T and Verizon face caps on how much data they can use before extra charges or restrictions kick in. T-Mobile and Sprint offer unlimited data plans, but their networks are smaller than Verizon's and AT&T's.
Most smartphones will require you to purchase a data plan.
If everyone in your family wants a smartphone, or if you have a lot of phones and tablets that you pay for data on, it may be worthwhile to look into shared data plans. Such plans offer unlimited talk and text, and all devices on those plans share their data from a set pool. The big benefit of having a shared data plan is that you don't have to pay for data on each device individually. If you or your family members never use more than 500MB apiece, you could save some money by paying for only the maximum data you'd use. Shared data plans also usually include tethering, which allows you to share your wireless connection with other devices such as laptops and Wi-Fi-only tablets. The biggest drawback of a shared data plan is that it can cost more if you or your family use a lot of data. Before switching to a shared data plan, it's best calculate how much data your family uses in a typical month and compare the amount you currently pay with the amount you'd pay if you had a shared plan.
Feature phones don't need data plans, so you can get away with signing up for a plan that covers just talk and text. Plans for feature phones generally cost less than those for smartphones, but you'll have to pay extra for unlimited minutes and text messages. In addition, you'll have a limited selection of feature phones to choose from, as many companies are now starting to manufacture smartphones exclusively.
When selecting a plan, it's wise to overestimate the number of minutes you'll be using for every sent and received call. Because one carrier's definition of off-peak hours may be different from another's, ask the carrier to specify the times for its peak, off-peak, and weekend hours. It's also important to overestimate how much data you'll use, as smartphones can easily burn through 1GB of data if you're not careful.
Choosing the Right Carrier
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Tired of your current carrier, or shopping for your first smartphone ever? Choosing a carrier is a daunting task. Most likely you've heard of the Big Four: AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, and Verizon. You'll also encounter smaller, regional carriers such as Cellular One and U.S. Cellular, as well as prepaid carriers like Boost Mobile, Cricket Wireless, and MetroPCS.
Before you begin examining plans, find out which (if any) carriers offer solid coverage in your city, town, or area. Ask your neighbors about the carrier they use, and whether they have reliable service. If you don’t have good coverage in your home, you’ll be in for a frustrating two years. You should also check the coverage in any other areas where you spend a lot of time, such as your office, or a friend's or relative’s house. Carrier coverage maps are a good place to start, but I strongly recommend using a service like OpenSignalMaps to determine which carrier has the strongest reception in your region.
If you don't like the idea of signing up for a two-year contract with a carrier, try a prepaid plan. These days, you can find full-featured smartphones with prepaid plans that offer unlimited minutes, text messages, and data—plans that cost less than half of what the equivalent ones would cost with AT&T or Verizon. Such plans vary from region to region, so shop around to see who has the phones you want at a price you're willing to pay.
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Shopping Tips
Comparison-shop at a third-party retailer: You can purchase a new phone directly from a carrier store; but if you're not sure what to buy, we recommend going to a third-party retailer. Best Buy, RadioShack, Target, and even Walmart sell phones, as well as carrier plans. A big advantage of buying a phone or a tablet from a third-party seller is that you have dozens of phones from multiple carriers at your disposal. If your contract has expired and you're trying to choose between the iPhone 5 (AT&T) and the T-Mobile Galaxy S III, for instance, you can compare the two phones side-by-side in the store. You can't do the same at a carrier store, because the phones are on different networks. If you're willing to wait a few days, Amazon can be a great place to purchase a new phone. The online retailer frequently has sales on hot new devices, and you can sometimes get a high-end phone for just a penny.
Don’t give phones as surprise gifts: If you're considering buying a phone as a gift, consult with the recipient before you go shopping. Although it will ruin the surprise, you should probably bring the recipient along on your shopping trip, too. We recommend getting as much hands-on time as possible with multiple phones before settling on one.
Cut to the chase: When dealing with store representatives, ask them to be as straightforward as possible. Tell them exactly what you're looking for, and describe the kind of phone or plan that fits your requirements. If you're completely unsure, ask the reps what phone they use, or which phones impressed them this year. Don't let them launch into a sales spiel, or you'll spend way too much time in the store. But remember, they're human beings, and they're just doing their jobs; so be courteous, and you'll receive the same treatment in return.

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