Can those of you that notice screen freezes check your available memory at the time of the freeze. Im noticing that my build works perfectly until I get under 190mb available and it get progressively worse with the more memory in use. At around 100mb I start getting long wake times.
I have also removed three screens of icons and widgets to stop items from reloading after I kill the app. I have also reenabled my gsensor and auto-rotate (I had used gscript to disable it). Again as long as my memory stays above 200mb the system is GREAT, even with the gsensor active.
I did not notice any freezes after initial load, but as I started accumulating apps and widgets I think I have hit a choke point with memory.
I hope I am on to something.
Also, Im using TasKiller to kill apps with "Kill on Screen Off" enabled.
I am interested in seeing what people are experiencing. As I have stopped using task managers and have reverted to allowing android to do its thing. I have also turned of the screen rotation. I do not experience long wakes or screen freeze normally.only when my setcpu power profile falls below 572mhz do wakes become slower.
I tried to stop using task killers but i cant uninstall TasKiller as mattc has put it into the ROM so if I uninstall it it comes back on reboot. So I figure if he put there, it must be worth using.
jmmmmm said:
I tried to stop using task killers but i cant uninstall TasKiller as mattc has put it into the ROM so if I uninstall it it comes back on reboot. So I figure if he put there, it must be worth using.
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You would think that but I dont think people have an understanding of how android works vs winmo. In winmo Apps run all willynilly and dont shut down when memory is needed.
I will do my best to explain basic over view as i saw it
Your home screen is always in memory as it is considered a frontend app.
When you open a app it keeps the home screen in memory.
Now say this app is gmail. gmail opens and you open a link that opens a web browser. Now Say you decide to open a game but you have no more memory.
Android decides which app can be killed to make room for the new app.
since gmail was opened prior to the browser it is considered the oldest.
Android creates a saved state as you will. But only of the position in which you were at in gmail. It can then auto populate that info at a later time.
Then once you are done with the game If you press back it will bring up the web browser. If you press back again it will access that gmail saved state to bring you back to that point in the app killing off the game as its un-needed.
http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/fundamentals.html
this link is more info. they can explain it better than i could
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I tried to stop using task killers but i cant uninstall TasKiller as mattc has put it into the ROM so if I uninstall it it comes back on reboot. So I figure if he put there, it must be worth using.
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Remove the APK for TasKiller in the AndroidApps folder, boot into android and uninstall. Then it won't be back.
I just flashed the 2.12.50_2 on my hd2 tmous version
i had a completely stock radio 2.06.xx I flashed mattc 1ndroid version 1.7
and it would freeze on the lock screen....is that a radio issue or a WM Rom underneath it issue??
hazard99 said:
You would think that but I dont think people have an understanding of how android works vs winmo. In winmo Apps run all willynilly and dont shut down when memory is needed.
I will do my best to explain basic over view as i saw it
Your home screen is always in memory as it is considered a frontend app.
When you open a app it keeps the home screen in memory.
Now say this app is gmail. gmail opens and you open a link that opens a web browser. Now Say you decide to open a game but you have no more memory.
Android decides which app can be killed to make room for the new app.
since gmail was opened prior to the browser it is considered the oldest.
Android creates a saved state as you will. But only of the position in which you were at in gmail. It can then auto populate that info at a later time.
Then once you are done with the game If you press back it will bring up the web browser. If you press back again it will access that gmail saved state to bring you back to that point in the app killing off the game as its un-needed.
http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/fundamentals.html
this link is more info. they can explain it better than i could
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I'm not running out off memory, it's that memory is getting really low. That's the part I don't understand. I have a gig of system memory, where is it all going? How do I get down to 100 meg when I have nothing running? I'm trying to research android memory usage so I can figure this out. I know that since I started keeping my memory above 200... zero screen freezes. That speaks volumes to me. I wish I understood more.
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I need a little help getting android to load on my hd2, im using energy rom but everytime I try to flash froyo it freezes in lock screen our language selection screen
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I'm not running out off memory, it's that memory is getting really low. That's the part I don't understand. I have a gig of system memory, where is it all going? How do I get down to 100 meg when I have nothing running? I'm trying to research android memory usage so I can figure this out. I know that since I started keeping my memory above 200... zero screen freezes. That speaks volumes to me. I wish I understood more.
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ROM 1GB;
RAM 576MB
Rom where winmo is stored.
Ram where apps get loaded and part of android is running.
Do you have auto rotation turned off?
I experience very few freezes if any with it turned off
there is a toggle on the power widget when I do need it.
poulosjr said:
I need a little help getting android to load on my hd2, im using energy rom but everytime I try to flash froyo it freezes in lock screen our language selection screen
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Personally I am using radio 2.11 and energy rom as I always have. i have no problems whats so ever so try another winmo rom.
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ROM 1GB;
RAM 576MB
Rom where winmo is stored.
Ram where apps get loaded and part of android is running.
Do you have auto rotation turned off?
I experience very few freezes if any with it turned off
there is a toggle on the power widget when I do need it.
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So do apps run in the 576MB RAM memory space?
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So do apps run in the 576MB RAM memory space?
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yes but you wont get that full amount due to other things running
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My phones lately been acting funny
programs have been fore closing and its been laggy and idk why i did put any new apps..
dont know what iv did different i never did anything i have dxtop but it never did anything before
my phones moded and rooted and all the other stuff JF released
If you have a lot of apps or if you're running low on internal phone memory, it would cause your phone to lag. There is also a couple more reasons, I just can't think of em at the moment. =/
You ned task manager. Look which programs you've got running, may be you don't need some of them. I know for sure that "phonebook" app and "mybackup" app are some serious memory hogs, my phone was acting all goofy, uninstalled those two-problems are gone and forgotten.
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You ned task manager. Look which programs you've got running, may be you don't need some of them. I know for sure that "phonebook" app and "mybackup" app are some serious memory hogs, my phone was acting all goofy, uninstalled those two-problems are gone and forgotten.
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And i happen to have both of them..........well how do I check my internal memory..I have dxtop memory widget and always says around 24 to 26 mb free of memory..so u think i should remove those 2 apps? i mean my back up i can always reinstall but i have that nadroid backup thing when i got my phone rooted to do a full system backup to my sd card
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And i happen to have both of them..........well how do I check my internal memory..I have dxtop memory widget and always says around 24 to 26 mb free of memory..so u think i should remove those 2 apps? i mean my back up i can always reinstall but i have that nadroid backup thing when i got my phone rooted to do a full system backup to my sd card
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Don't quote me on that but....
24-26 mb of memory is probably available for app installs (that would be system/data/data part of your phone). Running programs occupying different part of the memory, think of it as a RAM memory on the computer. Android has it's own program to decide which processes will run in the background and which wont but it's too immature at the moment. It'll get better with time.
With that said, phonebook, mybackup and in your case dxtop are all running constantly on your phone along with gmail, myfaves (whether you like it or not), maps, messaging, and bunches of others. Something is coded in them to prevent android to shut them down. Lock 2.0 is another one that runs in the backround all the time but it's not that memory hungry and doing just fine by itself.
The best way to check what's running is to download "Task Manager for root users" from the market (it's free). It will show which programs are running at the time. Click on any program and it will show the option to shut that program down. but if you shut down phonebook and hit refresh you'll see that it will restart itsef.
I suggest that you get rid of the phonebook, it looks very very nice but can't make it default so what's the point? Backup is waste of space too, you can back up all the info other ways so again, what's the point?
Good luck, I'm sure you can figure it out and reclaim the speed that G1 is capable of. Sorry for taking so long to get to the point.
Oh yeah, Imeem will run in the background indefenately as well.
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Don't quote me on that but....
24-26 mb of memory is probably available for app installs (that would be system/data/data part of your phone). Running programs occupying different part of the memory, think of it as a RAM memory on the computer. Android has it's own program to decide which processes will run in the background and which wont but it's too immature at the moment. It'll get better with time.
With that said, phonebook, mybackup and in your case dxtop are all running constantly on your phone along with gmail, myfaves (whether you like it or not), maps, messaging, and bunches of others. Something is coded in them to prevent android to shut them down. Lock 2.0 is another one that runs in the backround all the time but it's not that memory hungry and doing just fine by itself.
The best way to check what's running is to download "Task Manager for root users" from the market (it's free). It will show which programs are running at the time. Click on any program and it will show the option to shut that program down. but if you shut down phonebook and hit refresh you'll see that it will restart itsef.
I suggest that you get rid of the phonebook, it looks very very nice but can't make it default so what's the point? Backup is waste of space too, you can back up all the info other ways so again, what's the point?
Good luck, I'm sure you can figure it out and reclaim the speed that G1 is capable of. Sorry for taking so long to get to the point.
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Well got rid of phone book and my backup since i can always back up my full system
and I already have advance task manager and i can close all the applicatiosn running but not proccess or services with that said I always have close everything app and run that once in a while
I noticed that with dxtop(trial) that every time I went to the home screen, either by hitting home button or backing out of an app, there was a lot of lag. And this is before the little countdown timer the trial has in it.
Uninstalled and am in the process of trying out the other two home replacement apps. Dont have that problem with them. If you are still having issues might try unistalling dxtop.
I probably shouldn't even ask because it was covered many times but.... do you have your caches on sd and if not do you clear them often?
how do i close programs running in the background. i know i have to hold home, but wat do i do to close them.
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I probably shouldn't even ask because it was covered many times but.... do you have your caches on sd and if not do you clear them often?
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I have not heard this..where and how?
kay11224 said:
how do i close programs running in the background. i know i have to hold home, but wat do i do to close them.
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Same here I can close applications in backgrounmd but not services or processes
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I have not heard this..where and how?
Same here I can close applications in backgrounmd but not services or processes
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1) Anyone?
2) would anyone happen to know which home alternative uses more memory?
dxTop
http://dxtop.wikidot.com/
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Open Home Lite
http://betterandroid.wordpress.com/
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Hello Desire HD world !
I have a problem really annoying with my DHD.
Sense is rebooting very often when the device is out of memory (it always happens at the bad moment ).
I experienced the same thing with my Milestone, and problem was solved by adding the line ro.HOME_APP_ADJ=1 in /data/local.prop, and then system took memory on other apps, and LauncherPro stayed in memory.
Sense does not use this file, I tried to create it, but nothing happened.
Any idea ? Because with so much RAM, I don't understand why Sense is not kept in memory, there is a lot of useless apps loaded !
Thanks !
PS ; I use the last stock ROM with no taskiller.
Up !
Nobody has the problem or nobody knows how to fix it ?
I have been noticing this as well. It's pretty annoying to turn your phone on to use it, and have to wait 20 seconds for the launcher to start!
You'd think they would be more aggressive with keeping it in memory, as there are plenty of apps sleeping in the cache which should be removed before Sense.
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Sense is rebooting very often when the device is out of memory (it always happens at the bad moment ).
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I would say get rid of some apps that you don't need. I have everything I could possibly use, and still have well over 700 MB left. To use all the memory you have you must see some apps you downloaded just to see what they are, and don't even use. If you actaully do use them all then I don't know what you can do unless some can be moved to a SD card.
I think you misunderstood the problem .
The memory is the RAM, not the ROM. I still have about 700 mb free on my device.
But when a lot of programs are opened, Sense is killed by the system, it does not have the priority, and I don't understand why.
Oh sorry. Yeah misunderstood. I use Mini Info from the Market, and my RAM usage even under heavy use barley gets to around 200 out of 623 available. Maybe there is something stuck that is using up so much memory. Do you have a lot of widgets on your home screens? Also do you restart often?
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Oh sorry. Yeah misunderstood. I use Mini Info from the Market, and my RAM usage even under heavy use barley gets to around 200 out of 623 available. Maybe there is something stuck that is using up so much memory. Do you have a lot of widgets on your home screens? Also do you restart often?
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I have one widget on each screen. And I make a restart every morning.
Maybe the Live Wallpaper is the cause ?
I am the only one having the problem ?
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I have one widget on each screen. And I make a restart every morning.
Maybe the Live Wallpaper is the cause ?
I am the only one having the problem ?
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No you're not! I just had Sense restart on me RIGHT NOW, after installing and using Catch Notes.
Ok so issue is real.
Without Sense no problem to keep the Home in memory.
Weard.
Do you use the Spare Parts app?
No spare parts, everything is stock, except the root.
Hi guys!
is there any way to keep some apps in memory?
i am using go contact and go dialer and i want to keep them in memory for fast loading.
when i want to call anybody, the go dialer takes about 3 secs to loads completely!!
i am using racht's Floyo v0.20 ROM.
ali313 said:
Hi guys!
is there any way to keep some apps in memory?
i am using go contact and go dialer and i want to keep them in memory for fast loading.
when i want to call anybody, the go dialer takes about 3 secs to loads completely!!
i am using racht's Floyo v0.20 ROM.
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android keep apps in memory that it thinks it will need later, if you don't use a task killer/ battery saver it should keep it in memory.
but many times i want to start go dialer i must wait about 3-5 seconds to open it. and android don't keep it in memory. only say to me is it possible to lock an app in memory or not?
in CM ROMs there is an option to lock home in memory. i want it for any other app such dialer.
sorry for my bad English
bump, I'm looking for this too. The way android manages apps is just terrible.
Use some other rom-etc some new
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what ?
well I'm on stock eclair 2.1a and i'm also using go contacts, for me it always remains in memory..
Bump.
I'd like this too.. Using Go apps instead of stock dialer/sms, and I want them to always run!
Basically a startup script to open them in background on boot, then always keep them in memory.
My device has 1 gig of memory, so the 50 meg these apps takes up is a drop in the ocean. Free ram is wasted ram.
We're using a phone, so these should always have priority over anything, games, browser, etc. Currently it seems like they have not.
Please can anybody advice me on this?
Lotsa home apps have keep in memory function, but dialers and sms-apps should have this setting too. Guess I can contact go team to request it..
Yup, I can't believe no one thought of keeping dialers and sms apps in memory. I insist, Android's way of managing apps and killing processes is awful.
I have one question again. Supposed i have a low phone memory due to so much application installed, will it affect my phone performance, coz i noticed that my phone lags with almost full apps installed in it, I wonder if low phone memory that affects the performance of my phone or bcoz of the running apps simultaneously. One thing after i uninstalled the apps from memory card it still has the folder left in it, is it safe if i remove it manually? Is that the cache? Where is the program files in the memory card where the application is so i can delete the uninstalled apps?
Thanks in advance. Lab2 guys.x0x0
having multiple apps running on your phone will slow it down because each app uses tge phones processor and RAM (random access memory) to function and at different times or circumstances they use different levels of both, leaving multiple apps running leaves tge phone without much memory to get through basic functions such as texting or playing music with ease, there is a simple, easy and free way to solve your first problem, go into your android market and look up "advanced task killer" download the free version and it will show you what is running and how much of your RAM is available and you can stop all the apps from running by just clicking "kill selected apps" and your phone will run alot smoother
as for your second issue, theres nothing to worry about, those folders just contain information the apps that you have previously installed, have downloaded, you can delete them without risk of any damage
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so even tho my phone memory is full that doesnt affect the performance of my phone right. i only have 43mb left in my phone memory and its a big laggy to respond. Thanks much. x0x0
or instead using of Advance Task Killer, use Fast reboot to improve battery life. You'll be more enlighten if you visit this site [FIX] Drain Battery Fix for CyanogenMod.
You should worry about how much specific app uses your cpu not ram, less free ram = faster phone.
So try to determinate wich apps are using your cpu and kill tham.
Ignore this post if youre using eclair
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Thank you guys for the sweet response. BTW it works i think the prob is my spb3d launcher that makes my phone lags.
Install System application and kill processes from there.
I got the tablet today, I can't find where to close programs, I have 10 programs open, where can I close the programs and not have them all open
There is no need to close apps, Android does this for you (if needed), so don't worry about this.
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I got the tablet today, I can't find where to close programs, I have 10 programs open, where can I close the programs and not have them all open
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theres a widget for active programmes, add this to your home screen. Android doesnt close all apps automatically.
Long press the home button to open the task manager. Android will close the apps automatically when it needs the space in ram. Leaving them running shouldn't affect battery life.
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You will make things worse by force closing apps, there is no point in doing so. Apps that you don't use are leaved in memory for faster loading next time you open them. They are not actually running, they don't use CPU, so they don't use battery. They are automatically removed from memory when needed.
Only if the app is not written correctly, it can cause problems.