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HTC just announced the Desire Z version of their "Vision" handset that is identical to the G2. It runs a newer version of HTC Sense that's got a lot of nice new enhancements. I expect G2 owners will want to port this in a hurry.
Desire Z will be available in October in Europe and Asia only.
Check out this "Fast Boot" --- boots in like 4 seconds::: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpWPMens9C8
YouTube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERH9BoU64pw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXnCOhvoqgw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FAIlKN2u5M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwiNDsZNRag
Specifications (from here):
800 MHz Qualcomm Scorpion
Qualcomm MSM7230
2x faster than Snapdragon CPU
5x better than Snapdragon GPU
Android 2.2 w/ HTC Sense
3.7 inch display
800 x 480 resolution
SLCD technology
5 megapixel camera
LED flash
720p HD recording
HSPA+ integration
WiFi b/g/n
Size: 4.7 x 2.4 x 0.6 inches
Weight: 6.5 ounces
Battery: 1300 mAh Lion
Talk time: up to 6.5 hours
Standby time: up to 17.5 days
Pop-out QWERTY keyboard
Four rows
Programmable “quick access” keys
4GB of internal memory
Full aluminum body
HTC Fast Boot
Pre-installed 8GB microSD card
GPS with A-GPS
DLNA Streaming and Media Sharing
3.5 mm stereo audio jack
micro-USB (5-pin micro-USB 2.0)
Audio supported formats – Playback: .aac, .amr, .ogg, .m4a, .mid, .mp3, .wav, .wma (Windows Media Audio 9)
Video supported formats – Playback: .3gp, .3g2, .mp4, .wmv (Windows Media Video 9)
Ambient light sensor
Proximity sensor
Digital compass
That fast boot is crazy. I'm loving the phone, definitely fast. However the phone looks VERY thick.
so its called "HTC fast boot". I wonder if that means the G2 won't have it. I'd be a lot more likely to turn my phone off and save battery if I knew I could turn it back on that quick
The Desire Z has 1.5GB of internal memory from what I've read at Engadget, not 4.
Infact, your source also says 1.5GB internal memory.
Where are they getting that the CPU is 2x faster than Snapdragon? For all we know it's the same CPU shrunk to 45nm, so it should be the same speed.
Its possible HTC said that at the event? I'm just speculating.. I would be happy if its 2x faster.. lol.
dualityim said:
Where are they getting that the CPU is 2x faster than Snapdragon? For all we know it's the same CPU shrunk to 45nm, so it should be the same speed.
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a lot of the performance gain is from the Adreno 205 GPU as opposed to the older Adreno 200 GPUs on the Desire, HD2 and Evo. The Desire HD, however, also has the Adreno 205.
Superfrag said:
Its possible HTC said that at the event? I'm just speculating.. I would be happy if its 2x faster.. lol.
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Not really sure if that equates to better performance, but it is more efficient.
If you think about it, past 1st gen snapdragon phones had very poor GPUs which made the CPU look slower. Maybe the upgraded GPU adds speed to an otherwise speedy CPU.
That could be true. Maybe the GPU in earlier Snapdragons was bottlenecking the CPU. Makes sense.. I also think these can be OC'ed more without issues due to the 45nm architecture.
but will the 1300mah battery life survive?
I think it should be better. The shrinkage in die size results in a more efficient CPU, which emits less heat and consumes less power. If it was 1500mAh it would have been super, but I think 1300 mAh will be pretty good.
Maybe, just maybe HTC might release 1500 batteries, which will be sold separately. Or we might have to turn to aftermarket battery makers to satisfy our needs! (obviously not the extended version, same size but higher mAh)
Superfrag said:
That could be true. Maybe the GPU in earlier Snapdragons was bottlenecking the CPU. Makes sense.. I also think these can be OC'ed more without issues due to the 45nm architecture.
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I've heard that the MSM7x30 is actually the new 1Ghz Snapdragon underclocked at 800Mhz. Apparently that info is on the qualcomm website somewhere. If true then hell yeah the CPU can be overclocked, at the expense of battery power though.
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The video on youtube titled "htc desire z - a closer look" is pretty amazing (i can't post links as i'm too new to this site). i'm just wondering how much is sense and how much will be on the g2...
skulk3r said:
a lot of the performance gain is from the Adreno 205 GPU as opposed to the older Adreno 200 GPUs on the Desire, HD2 and Evo. The Desire HD, however, also has the Adreno 205.
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Notice that those specs specifically mention that the CPU is 2x faster and the GPU is 5x faster, so when they say the CPU is 2x faster, they are not talking about the performance boost gained from using the Adreno 205, they are specifically referring to a faster CPU core. That's what I'm wondering about, the GPU is faster for sure, but all evidence points to a CPU that performs the same (or worse, due to the 200MHz slower clock) but shrunk to 45nm for better power efficiency.
You guys think the g2 will get dlna functions?
We don't know. AFAIK, the Desire Z doesn't have DLNA, nor does the Desire HD. All we can do is wait for it to be released, or reviews of it to come out.
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You guys think the g2 will get dlna functions?
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We don't know. AFAIK, the Desire Z doesn't have DLNA, nor does the Desire HD. All we can do is wait for it to be released, or reviews of it to come out.
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The Desire Z seems to have DLNA, according to HTC. It's around 4 mins into the promo video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly4C0TXmnlQ
ppl... clock speed is like horsepwoer in a car. its not the only determinant of performance. other stuff matters in a car right? like aerodynamics, weight, transmission etc? same for a chip. engineering matters. 2nd gen snapdragons are 2nd gen for a reason... they're better
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sheek360 said:
You guys think the g2 will get dlna functions?
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Probably not. I don't see t-mobile digging into their pockets for that.
j.books said:
ppl... clock speed is like horsepwoer in a car. its not the only determinant of performance. other stuff matters in a car right? like aerodynamics, weight, transmission etc? same for a chip. engineering matters. 2nd gen snapdragons are 2nd gen for a reason... they're better
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You don't understand, Snapdragon is not a chip, it's a chipset or SoC. The CPU in Snapdragon is called Scorpion, and the G2 supposedly uses the same CPU, except manufactured in a 45nm process rather than a 65nm process. So except for the clock speed, we shouldn't expect any changes in the performance of the CPU.
I going to buy one of these phones, just cant decide which one, please help me with my decision. just wonder what people think, and for what phone will there be more developers from xda around and so on.
Probably should wait until we have confirmed spec of the CPU and GPU on both devices, or perhaps even benchmarks, in my opinion.
Personally I much prefer the HD because bigger screen = easier to use on-screen keyboard. And with SwiftKey I don't really care too much about physical keyboard nowadays. However the HD seems rather expensive. But then yea it has a better camera and dual flash...
yes those test will be nice to see, it is not so big difference in price between the models, not if you look the sites from sweden, the hd cost around 40 $ more than the Z.
I wanna have one of them directly when they comes out, cant wait. hehe
i am going to have a try of both of them and if the HTC HD is tooooooo BIG i will go for the Z
Some review website wrote that HD is faster and has more memory (768 vs 512).
I'm not sure, I know Z uses Adreno 205 which is pretty decent and I hope hardware Adobe Flash Acceleration is not just a buzz word. Not sure about HD's GPU, how it compares.
Will probably want to see some CPU/GPU benchmarks before making final decision...
i couldnt wait any longer, preordered the Z, thinks its more usefull with the full qwerty.
Found this on Qualcomm's website.
They are probably identical, yet the description of Desire Z's GPU is more impressive
HTC Desire HD:
MSM8255™ and MSM8655™
High-performance GPU - up to 41M triangles/sec and 245M 3D pixels/se with dedicated 2D Open VG graphics hardware
HTC Desire Z:
MSM7230™
High-performance GPU - up to 41M triangles/sec and 245M 3D pixels/sec and dedicated 3D/2D acceleration engines for Open GLES 2.0 and Open VG 1.1 acceleration
http://www.qualcomm.com/products_services/chipsets/snapdragon.html
Desire z or desire HD?
Desire z or desire HD?
which one do you pick and why
wasn't the hummingbird getting 90m triangles?
shad0wfire said:
wasn't the hummingbird getting 90m triangles?
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Yep it is. But in theory of course. ;-) I think that SGX 540 is still the fastest GPU solution on the market. But we'll see when G2/Desire Z will be available....
The Z for the keyboard... I'm not a fan of the on screen keyboard... however I am a bit worried of how the keyboard will "slide" into view... I am worried that it might break easily or that the ribbon cable might break.... warranty experience tells me that ribbon cables often takes time to replace....
Something concerns me about this. One sites I have come across is quoting the manufactirers warranty as 1yr for the Desire HD and the Desire Z, whereas it states 2 yrs for the Desire.
Misprint or have HTC reduced their warranty period?
Was thinking seriously about Desire HD, but recently changed my mind in favor of Desire Z.
DHD to me sounds somehow "unfinished" - regardless of the supreme specs. On the other side DesireZ just looks like really well designed phone ... look for example where are the audio plugs on DHD and DZ.
zaghy2zy said:
The Z for the keyboard... I'm not a fan of the on screen keyboard... however I am a bit worried of how the keyboard will "slide" into view... I am worried that it might break easily or that the ribbon cable might break.... warranty experience tells me that ribbon cables often takes time to replace....
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If it's any help, the hardware keyboard on the Touch Pro 2 is very robust.
steviewevie said:
If it's any help, the hardware keyboard on the Touch Pro 2 is very robust.
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I own a Touch Pro 2, and although the keyboard is robust, the OS is not that spectacular.
I bought a HTC Wildfire for my girlfriend, I played with it and it started to love android, I like that phone even more than my Touch Pro 2, so I can hardly wait for the Desire Z.
Does the fact that the desire Z has a 45nm cpu make it faster than the desire HD's 65nm even though there is a 200mhz clock speed differance? Personally i would think it would be faster but not 100% sure. I guess the 45nm chip is a newer chip than the 65nm chip.
tigger69 said:
Does the fact that the desire Z has a 45nm cpu make it faster than the desire HD's 65nm even though there is a 200mhz clock speed differance? Personally i would think it would be faster but not 100% sure. I guess the 45nm chip is a newer chip than the 65nm chip.
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I believe the HD has the same CPU as the Z, just clocked at 1Ghz instead of 800Mhz.
xspyda said:
Something concerns me about this. One sites I have come across is quoting the manufactirers warranty as 1yr for the Desire HD and the Desire Z, whereas it states 2 yrs for the Desire.
Misprint or have HTC reduced their warranty period?
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Pretty sure it's a mis-print - still 2 years.
anyone know the root capabilities for desire z? cause if all else fails we could just use set cpu to 1ghz but i really wouldnt think its nessicary.
Desire Z all the way. I have been waiting for a good free QWERTY keyboard since the G1 and I know this is it. Plus with Cyanogen support this device is going to be the BOMB.
Hi
Can any one tell me which device is faster
HTC Desire Z or HTC Desire HD
and if want one of them which one you will take
an9093 said:
Hi
Can any one tell me which device is faster
HTC Desire Z or HTC Desire HD
and if want one of them which one you will take
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this seems a strange question
Desire Z = 800mhz with 512mb RAM
Desire HD = 1000mhz and 768mb Ram
So the HD is clearly faster.
Writing a Facebook status or anything else is faster on the HD because you don't have to pull out the keyboard
Because of the hardware specs I think the HD has more power and is faster, but we have to wait for the first reviews... ?!
Same CPU and GPU but Desire HD's is clocked higher so that wins that.
Bigger screen = easier menu acses = quicker
MacaronyMax said:
Same CPU and GPU but Desire HD's is clocked higher so that wins that.
Bigger screen = easier menu acses = quicker
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I always thought that if the device has same cpu n gpu the the one with he smaller screen will be faster as same gpu has less real estate to render...
arnozzle said:
I always thought that if the device has same cpu n gpu the the one with he smaller screen will be faster as same gpu has less real estate to render...
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Except in this case these two devices have different CPUs
chief1978 said:
this seems a strange question
Desire Z = 800mhz with 512mb RAM
Desire HD = 1000mhz and 768mb Ram
So the HD is clearly faster.
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arnozzle said:
I always thought that if the device has same cpu n gpu the the one with he smaller screen will be faster as same gpu has less real estate to render...
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Quite apart from the higher clock speed mentioned I'm not sure this is true, it's not like it has to render more pixels, same resolution = same real estate, just blown up a bit. Maybe I'm wrong.
The diference is if the resolution would be smaller... for example.
HTC Wildfire 1 GHz with 240x320 4.3" (i know it has 600MHz, but if we put the sam CPU and the 3.2" size)
HTC Desire HD 1 GHz with 480x800 4.3"
Wildfire would have at least 30% better performance... Its all in pixels not dimension of the LCD
TNStrangelove said:
Quite apart from the higher clock speed mentioned I'm not sure this is true, it's not like it has to render more pixels, same resolution = same real estate, just blown up a bit. Maybe I'm wrong.
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You're correct.
Seriously????
Are you really all answering this not so intelligent question? REALLY???
For the guy, who is asking this:
Use google!!!
Do research!!!
Search the forum!!!
Find CPU model numbers, about nm's and gpu's - START TO LEARN.
This is a WAY to dumb question (pardon me) to be asked in a new thread. If you are asking such questions, I really advice you to NOT get this phone, cuz it's gonna get SO MUCH MORE DIFFICULT than you would ever expect, judging from simplicity of your question.
Stop living under a rock.
Sorry for my behavior, it's just that I get a little enraged from time to time. It's just a matter of time, that someone asks something so basic as: Which is brighter - dual LED flash or single LED flash, and which one would you get?
Isn't the Desire Z fitted with a newer CPU than the Desire HD? If so, it could be more powerful even if the clock speed is lower, especially since I just looked up the Desire Z's CPU and it says it's recommended top clock speed is 1GHz - I give it a few weeks after release at the most until the speed's upgraded with a custom kernel.
There are both 2nd generation 45nm processors with the same Adreno 205 GPU...only the Desire HD is clocked more on 1GHz and Z is at 800MHz
MaybachMan said:
Isn't the Desire Z fitted with a newer CPU than the Desire HD? If so, it could be more powerful even if the clock speed is lower, especially since I just looked up the Desire Z's CPU and it says it's recommended top clock speed is 1GHz - I give it a few weeks after release at the most until the speed's upgraded with a custom kernel.
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Well, given both phones are being released at the same time, they both have the same model of CPU. Really man. Why would HTC give the Desire HD a worse processor than the Desire Z...
Smartmob said:
There are both 2nd generation 45nm processors with the same Adreno 205 GPU...only the Desire HD is clocked more on 1GHz and Z is at 800MHz
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Does that mean we can over clock the Z to 1ghz?
What about RAM that would make a difference too.
questions questions...more is better...thats it. Numbers are numbers...
You can probably push him to some limit, but then you can push DHD even more then Z...
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Isn't the Desire Z fitted with a newer CPU than the Desire HD? If so, it could be more powerful even if the clock speed is lower, especially since I just looked up the Desire Z's CPU and it says it's recommended top clock speed is 1GHz - I give it a few weeks after release at the most until the speed's upgraded with a custom kernel.
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No, both CPUs are next gen snapdragons. In fact I believe they are the exact same chip model, the desire Z is just under-clocked . It should be very easy to over-clock but that would just make them equal.
Yeah, thought it made more sense to give them the both CPU TBH, I'd just read otherwise on other threads.
Smartmob said:
questions questions...more is better...thats it. Numbers are numbers...
You can probably push him to some limit, but then you can push DHD even more then Z...
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Not necessarily if the Z is using the same CPU under-clocked, then theoretically you should be able to over-clock them to the same amount.
Opel Astra 1.9 CDTI 100KS and Astra 1.9 CDTI 150KS... Are they the same only chiped? No, there are some minor diferences in the engine too...
For those of you that haven't seen yet... someone has overclocked a G2 to 1.4ghz.
What are your thoughts on this new htc device and the WP7 OS and how does it compare?
Added poll ^
Well, we don't really know, as either none of us, so very very few, have even tested WP7.
Well the HD7 reportedly has less ram than the DesireHD 512MB over 768MB. And Runs of of the same CPU family that the HD does.
So at this stage the DesireHD looks better than the HD7 spec wise but its early days yet.
not 100% sure about specs but HD7 will be available earlier though its announced 1 month later than DesireHD, that's if DesireHD ever make it out of the warehouse...
It seems that the HD7 has a QSD8250 processor (same as the Desire) with adreno 200 GPU.
PS: Sorry for my bad english
nope its an MSM8250 chipset :-D almost identical to the CPU in the Desire HD
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/htc-hd7-is-a-hd2-lookalike-with-windows-phone-7-and-720p-video/
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nope its an MSM8250 chipset :-D almost identical to the CPU in the Desire HD
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actually alex is correct, it uses the old snapdragon found on the desire, nexus one, evo etc. It has the old adreno 200 gpu.
So because of that, and 200 MB less ram, the Desire HD still is HTC's best specced phone so far.
i will wait till january february to see if there will be dual core processors if not i will buy some good htc
A full list of the specs of the WP7 phones at the WP event
Notice they say the HTC parts are MSM chips (second gen snapdragons like in DesireHD) and the others LG ect are the old QSD chips (like the N1, Desire , EVO)
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/windows-phone-7-handsets-the-tale-of-the-tape/
c4940 said:
i will wait till january february to see if there will be dual core processors if not i will buy some good htc
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Motorola will out their Tegra 2 in Q1 2011, while LG MIGHT roll out by the end of this year.
Im gunna wait untill i se how multi core mobile CPU's preform (battery usage / speed improvement). As i suspect we will have to wait untill the apps and OS are properly optimised for two cores.
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Im gunna wait untill i se how multi core mobile CPU's preform (battery usage / speed improvement). As i suspect we will have to wait untill the apps and OS are properly optimised for two cores.
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Dalvik and most native apps are multi-threaded by design.
True .... so we should see huge improvements :-D but the Desire HD will do me for 12 monthes :-D
Apache14 said:
A full list of the specs of the WP7 phones at the WP event
Notice they say the HTC parts are MSM chips (second gen snapdragons like in DesireHD) and the others LG ect are the old QSD chips (like the N1, Desire , EVO)
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/windows-phone-7-handsets-the-tale-of-the-tape/
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If Engadget is right on this, then Apache is right too.
The QSD8250 is the first gen chip used in the Nexus One, Desire etc.
The MSM8250 is the 2nd gen chip and has Adreno 205.
The difference between the MSM8250 (HD7 etc) and the MSM8255 (DHD) is that the MSM8250 is a "world phone" chipset whereas the 8255 is solely for GSM use.
It's very confusing - but assuming that Engadget is right, that means that the WP7 phones are as fast as the DHD (though not as much RAM) but are available to use all over the world.
Yes, MSM8250 is GSM/CDMA capable, whereas MSM8255 is GSM only.
No such difference between the two devices. The same 4.3 inch screen (almostly confirmed tft) But DHD is better than hd7 on cpu and gpu.DHD with 8255 cpu and hd7 with 8250cpu (which same as hd2) 756ram>512RAM So i prefer desire hd with android os
freelo123 said:
No such difference between the two devices. The same 4.3 inch screen (almostly confirmed tft) But DHD is better than hd7 on cpu and gpu.DHD with 8255 cpu and hd7 with 8250cpu (which same as hd2) 756ram>512RAM So i prefer desire hd with android os
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Did you even read my post? They are the same chips, just the HD7 chip has CDMA capability as well as GSM. Same CPU core, same GPU core. Same speed, same die size.
The only difference between the DHD and the HD7 are the extra 256MB of RAM! (and the OS and case etc.. and camera! (thanks wu5262!))
DHD seems to have more metal parts in its casing.
Either way I guess we'll be seeing a lot of ports between these devices
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Did you even read my post? They are the same chips, just the HD7 chip has CDMA capability as well as GSM. Same CPU core, same GPU core. Same speed, same die size.
The only difference between the DHD and the HD7 are the extra 256MB of RAM! (and the OS and case etc)
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The DHD has better camera too
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DHD seems to have more metal parts in its casing.
Either way I guess we'll be seeing a lot of ports between these devices
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Why on earth would you want to put WP7 on an Android device.
However, I hope someone here can bring WP7 to the HD2. Now that WOULD be amazing!
Hi guys, i recently got a wildfire for my GF but i have an opportunity to get the optimus gt540 and maybe sell wildfire?
It would seem that both have it's advantages and disadvantages, the main ones (as i see it) would be:
gt540 has a better resolution
gt540 has a better cpu which can be overclocked to 800mhz
gt540 seems to have rather good graphics - you can easily play raging thunder 2 or similar heavy games
but...
wildfire has a bigger 3.2" screen Vs 3" of gt540
wildfire has a much better camera (gt540 doesn't even have flash)
wildfire has more RAM (384mb vs 256mb) but i somehow find that not important because it seems that gt540 can run froyo without any RAM problems
wildfire has a worse cpu but i have it at 700mhz so not that bad
and finally, wildfire cost me 150€ while the optimus would cost me only 40€ (both on contract)
i think if we take the cost into account the gt540 is a winner but let's say they both cost the same and only look at the features, what do you think? which to get?
the GT 540 has a TFT resistive touchscreen (aka old type that can be used with a stylus, not a glass surface like the wildfire.
Personally I`ll take the wildfire. Or the Optimus P500 if they have it... it`s better than gt 540.