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Color depth? 16bit or more?

I am trying to decide which phone to buy: Touch Pro , Touch HD, or others. I like the bigger screen on this one but I read somewhere that it is only 16bit color (65k colors). Is that true or was the review mistaken? It seems strange sicne that wouldn't be enough for good quality pictures and video.

rogerbacon50 said:
I am trying to decide which phone to buy: Touch Pro , Touch HD, or others. I like the bigger screen on this one but I read somewhere that it is only 16bit color (65k colors). Is that true or was the review mistaken? It seems strange sicne that wouldn't be enough for good quality pictures and video.
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More than enough for any human, 65k like any other good ppc.

I think I saw in the specs that it's an 18-bit screen.
I also read that WM only supports up to 16-bit colour.
16-bit isn't enough for all purposes, especially photos with smooth gradients such as blue skies. Of course 18-bit would still give some banding.

OK, I did some mroe reading and the screens are 18 bit (both Touch pro and Touch hd) but the software is set for 16 bit because its easier on the processor. The 65k colors will be enough. I had thought my iPAQ was more but its the same. I jsut wanted to make sure I could run my AnywhereMap software on the Touch HD.
I heard that the Touch HD can't do 3G on US networks. Is that true and, if so, is there a hack to get around it?

"I heard that the Touch HD can't do 3G on US networks. Is that true and, if so, is there a hack to get around it?"
no htc device ever supported a hack to change the hardware supported frequencies so
doubt blackstone will be different
about the colour nr
then i'd say on such a small screen
16bit should be enough very large screens
one can see the diff with large colour changes on surfaces
but small pda screens one would have to be close
to touching ones eye with the screen to see and then
be being blinded by the backlight would make it impossible anyway

Looks like it CAN do US 3G afterall.
http://www.intomobile.com/2008/12/19/htc-touch-hd-is-compatible-with-us-3g-frequencies-surprise.html

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Looks like it CAN do US 3G afterall.
http://www.intomobile.com/2008/12/19/htc-touch-hd-is-compatible-with-us-3g-frequencies-surprise.html
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Nope. It can't.
It's also pointed out in the fourth reader comment at that same URL. The author just missed a very crucial "or" in the specs. I would assume the service manual states what the hardware could be configured to do. It seems that the current hardware is set up for only the first half of that "or".
I'm using the Touch HD on AT&T in the US. No 3G.

HTC Touch Pro 2, or HTC Touch HD?

Hey guys new member of the forum i will soon be getting a new phone and it will be either the Touch Pro 2 or the Touch HD. I'm not sure which one to get as i can live without a hardware keyboard which makes the device slimmer and easier to hold, but the question is what is the difference between the 2 phones? are they running the exact same software with the same features etc etc? if they operate exactly the same the HD looks nicer in my opinion, this will be my first time owning a windows mobile, will both phones get the same updates/custom roms. Other peoples opinions on these phones would be a great help, thanks in advance.
Sorry if this is not the correct section to be posting this.

If it was me, I'd maybe hold out for the HTC Leo, the HD's successor
Another thread which is kinda similar regarding people asking what to get after the HD maybe worth a read

thanks for your reply i will have a read of that, the issue is my contract runs out soon and the Leo doesn't yet have a release date and will be getting a new phone the day my contract runs out as i can't get through the day without my phone lol.

Isn't much difference apart from the qwerty keyboard, screen size, D-pad and camera. Generally everything else is similar. Check both the specs and read the wiki for both devices, have a look at the rom forums on both to see whats available.
It would most likely come down what you want, or what your looking for in a device. Basically personal opinion.

TP2 every day in the week.

thanks for the feedback guys. Well i prefer a slightly bigger screen and a slimmer looking phone and find the TP2 to be a little bulky, but if the software is the same this helps a lot as i like the look of the software from the TP2 which will be the same on the HD.
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TP2 every day in the week.
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could you maybe give some reasons on your view on why this would be the best choice? Thanks

The HD .. Huge screen .. and um... rather slim and cute looking .. I have a black silicone suround for it and mirror suraface.... and a huge screen with a huge resoultion .. did I mention that?

dgattenb said:
The HD .. Huge screen .. and um... rather slim and cute looking .. I have a black silicone suround for it and mirror suraface.... and a huge screen with a huge resoultion .. did I mention that?
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Huge screen, but huge screen means less pixels = less quality. TP2 got a huge advantage when it comes down to screen resolution vs. HD. And the TP2 got a keyboard and 4 hardware buttons you can actually feel.

ArtieQ said:
Huge screen, but huge screen means less pixels = less quality. TP2 got a huge advantage when it comes down to screen resolution vs. HD.
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You're kidding, right? TP2 and HD both have WVGA - you're not seriously telling me that the pixel density on the HD is not high enough? I doubt you could even tell the difference between the two concerning DPI!
And I'd rather have a larger screen than a smaller one - even if the higher DPI would make a difference... What's the use of having a higher DPI on a smaller screen?

Hd is better in music as it has 3.5 mm audio jack which means better sound quality and also hd is higher in price (the only issue is that hd will not get wm6.5 officially from htc ) but i think it will but htc does not announce that to sell alot of the recent devices

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Hd is better in music as it has 3.5 mm audio jack which means better sound quality and also hd is higher in price (the only issue is that hd will not get wm6.5 officially from htc ) but i think it will but htc does not announce that to sell alot of the recent devices
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I have a Touch HD, although it is in for repairs at the moment, and would consider the TP2 but the lack of a headphone jack is killing me. I live in the US and have not had a chance to play with the TP2. I have AT&T which I am assuming will not have the headphone jack like the Sprint and Verizon (CDMA) model has, Lucky Bastards!!! Anyway, that is what will probably stop me from getting the TP2.
I am sure there will be other options with a headphone jack in the future since HTC has made it clear that most future devices will have them. TP3?? I think they are a little sore from the lashing they took for not putting it in the TP2 which is clearly a great multimedia device. Kida like buying some of the original flat panel tv's that didn't have a TV tuner or speakers. Kinda defeats the purpose.

Well I personally recomend the Touch HD (not only for the reason that I have it and I love it ) when I was choosing my device I was looking for the bigest screen on the market as I like browsing the internet a lot and let me say this BIGGER IS BETTER when we are talking about PPC's nothing can change that also you get a cool design that gets the "WOW" effect from anyone and your pants will not fall to the ground when you are carying it in your pocket.It really depends on the person but for me if I have two phones with almost equal specifications I'll go for the bigger screen even if it is 0,1 inches bigger than the other one.Leo is probably my next device but I heard great things about TOSHIBA's TG01 4.1 inch monster with 1ghz proccessor that's only 10mm thick if you can get your hands on that (it's available in some areas) I would recommend that.

If you are only using one phone I would get the TP2. As I already have the E71 for emails etc I ordered the Touch HD yesterday as a semi tablet.

if it were me, id let my contract run out, continue using the service with your old phone until Leo is released, then upgrade if your carrier runs with the leo, if it doesnt id then upgrade to the most expencive phone they offer then leaving it in its box id flog it on ebay an use the money to buy the leo...
just my thoughts

An Urgent Question About the Awesome HD MINI's Screen

Hi everybody..
I have been considering buying this wonderful device but during my looking into the specifications I noticed this new strange resolution 320x480 HVGA which is the first time for me to come across this type of screen!
My question is, after your experience with this device, have you encountered any problems which are due to this specific type of screen? either on the level of program compatibility, which is most important, or any other problems?
The device is just the hit for me but this screen thing is holding my hand
Thank you in advance..

Yes, of course, some applications do not run, especially alternative keyboards such SlideIT.
Nevertheless most of them work just fine.
If you use specific legacy application, post a question on this forum to know if it works or if there are some alternative ones.
For example, I used in the past TomTom Collins French english dictionnary. This worked well on Diamond, but no way on HD mini. I had to change to slovoed that work fine, even if I like less the UI.

Thank you for your reply..
It's good news that MOST of the applications have no problem running on this device
Ok - of course there are many applications I want to make sure of before buying but some are essential and some are not so I'll ask about some programs that are of importance to me:
1) iGo for navigation
2) Navigon
3) Mobipocket Reader << this is the most important program in my Diamond right now so it has to work properly

No answer!

Have some patience!
iGO8- there are 2 threads on this, and there are ways to get it to work
Navigon: No idea
Mobipocket: No problem at all here- one of my most used programs!

Thank you NeilM
Well, so far so good, but need to make sure of other programs which I might mention here to make sure they work..
I just don't get it, why would HTC use such a screen? Is there any specialty that I should know about? Why not just use a WVGA or at least a normal VGA if that'll cost them much
Pardon me for my ignorance I have my history with PPCs but lately I wasn't up-to-date with the new ones

I think it is market economics. A number of Android devices also use HVGA so the same basic screen can be used across a range of phones.
Also WVGA and HVGA are both widescreen format which suits current usage patterns of video etc.
A less power hungry screen is a definite advantage in a smaller device. I don' t find the display any less usable than my HD2 in normal use, though I did need to use a registry editor to enable Cleartype, without which text is very poor; for some reason O2 have disabled the control panel for this.

NeilM said:
I think it is market economics
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The rule says: NEVER produce a perfect device << well, maybe it's not a disadvantage to have this screen but temporarily with the compatibility issues, it's really annoying!
Ok, I want to ask you as a user of HD MINI, how do you find the screen in terms of clarity, brightness, accuracy? How do you compare it with the Diamond's << I love that screen - I mean I understand the MINI is 3.2 inch whereas the Diamond is 2.8 inch so does this H in HVGA has a noticeable effect on the screen compared to its size?
Thank you for the information

As a previous Diamond user I have to say for me the HD Mini is much better. Obviously it is capacitive/multi touch which makes it very different in use, but the extra size makes a big difference.
OK, maybe icons and graphics are a little less definitive at the edges but it doesn't affect everyday use.
Personally I think VGA on a very small screen is pointless as text can be too small to read and web pages are very small, so HVGA is an improvement.

It seems that will be the new trend on Windows phone 7 and ohter phones (android, Iphone).
HVGA for small and WVGA for big screens. It is effectively strange, because it is even not the same aspect ratio.

NeilM,
Of course it's better if you look at it this way; capactive/multi-touch screen, but if you look at the other side which is the definition, you'll find that:
HD MINI: 480x320 + bigger screen = less picture quality
Diamond: 480x640 + smaller screen = more picture quality
Theoretically, I prefer having smaller screen with better definition rather than bigger one with worse definition, but I wouldn't base my decision now without testing it in reality - maybe I'll like it!
And as you said before that you use mobipocket, you need bigger screen and you'll sacrifice the quality for that, but, me, the cleartype matters alot to me
Honestly, I see a screen with the size 3.2 inch as the best typical size for me, but, more importantly, it should have a suitable definition too
Again, H in HVGA stands for what?! I don't think it's for "high"

moscard
I don't think so - unless they want to go back!
I mean why not use a normal VGA, for example, for a device they think it should be a revolution in phone market?!
I might be missing something here, but is there a problem in using VGA with capactive/multi-touch screens?
Why use less resolution while you should use more!
I hate these companies!
Thank you both

- H : I suppose is for Half 320 instead on 640
- I used Diamond for two years, and I prefer HD mini screen, the smaller resolution is not really an issue, but the bigger screen is really more confortable. In addition it runs a lot faster and all the things are more reactive, especitially for phone functions. The sound is better as well.
- Just a remark vs Diamond, HD mini do not have front camera anymore. For me is not an issue but it could be.

Bright Neon said:
moscard
I don't think so - unless they want to go back!
I mean why not use a normal VGA, for example, for a device they think it should be a revolution in phone market?!
I might be missing something here, but is there a problem in using VGA with capactive/multi-touch screens?
Why use less resolution while you should use more!
I hate these companies!
Thank you both
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I hope you're right, but most of companies are trying to standardise anything... screen resolution as well. What I do not understand, is why they choose two resolution with diferent aspect ratio. With same aspect ratio it would be simpler to disign software apps.

Yes- HVGA is Half VGA, ie 480*320
The aspect ratio of VGA and QVGA is 4:3, which is the standard 'square screen' ratio
WVGA and HVGA are 15:9 and 15:10 respectively which are near enough both the standard widescreen resolution.
There is no doubt that both increasing the screen size and decreasing the resolution should have an adverse effect on overall resolution, but my experience of the HD Mini is thta this is mitigated by the better overall quality of the screen, regardless of resolution.
Maybe if I were 20 years younger with perfect eyesight, I might have a different view!
The effect on device responsiveness using a lower resolution is marked though: 600MHz running HVGA is much faster than 524MHz running VGA ! Going back to the Diamond makes it feel so sluggish and unresponsive compared to the HD Mini and HD2.

Not happy with the HTC HD Mini
Just a quick feedback since I am playing around with a HTC HD Mini for a while now. Its my Girlfriends and has a broken screen so I get the chance play around until I replaced the screen. My personal experience is that this device is "horrible". Bad quality screen (I used it also before it had a broken screen ), compatibility is very limited (Custom stuff like XDA Mods not as much bought Apps) further more the Touch sensitve buttons are horrible to accidentaly hit them. Maybe I am just spoiled with the HD2 but I feel there are allot of trade-off's for the smaller form factor. But the worst thing all the nice XDA stuff will probaly never support this resolution since its preaty much the only device with it. (Windows Mobile atleast) Tried Cookie and MaxSense Mod on the HTC Mini without luck. Resolution problems.
PS: Anyone ever found disassembly instructions for the HTC HD Mini? I can find it for any other phone but not the HD Mini. There were just not enough sold to pros. I guess a good phone for Woman and iPhone users.

Encountered very few problems with this resolution. Especially for the newer free apps. Problems arises only in some old apps which either support only QVGA or VGA. But most certainly, you won't want to install such old apps in this shiny new colorful gadget.
For me, the Sense improvements to the UI, and WinMo 6.5.3's own improvements have eliminated my dependent on many of the old apps. I ended up installing less apps. Mostly new one i found reading thru the forums here.
Most of the only old apps i had to carry over from my old WinMo 6.1 are the dictionaries and translators. One of my favorite translators, HNHSoft Eng-Chn Dict, works poorly with HVGA resolution. Nevertheless, still usable. Fortunately, another from my old collection, WM-DICT 2.0, which worked poorly in 6.1 QVGA, turns out to be a great performer in 6.5.3 HVGA. So in reality, i lose one and win one, makes like i didn't lose anything at all.

I'd agree on the compatibility- almost all programs I've tried work fine. The only exceptions are TouchPal keyboard and 1-2 Remote.
1-2 Remote was poor on the HD2 as well as it's designed for QVGA and the skins are not optimised for other resolutions.
WM6.5.3 in its native form here, plus the current version of HTC Sense is a lot more stable than the native WM6.5 on the HD2 and any of the custom ROMs.
If you correctly tweak the screen (enabling Cleartype) it is very good indeed- can't understand the comment about it being poor- maybe it was faulty from the start if it failed later?
Having come from both a Diamond and HD2 I'm very satisfied with the HD Mini though I do find the screen 'touch' accuracy including the 'touch' buttons to need some getting used to. Switching the 'Touch Input' to 'Compact QUERTY' makes typing very much easier with XT9 turned on

[Q] HTC Screen transplant

Hi guys,
Give me some good info on this. If the LCD density app cant change the physical resolution of the 320 x 240 screen we are stuck with, yet the HTC Aria manages to do HVGA with the same size screen, wouldnt it be possible to transplant a HTC Aria screen onto the HTC Wildfire and get a higher resolution by using an Aria's ROM or the newly dumped Wildfire S ROM?
Give me a lead on this. Would it be possible? or would it just be better to stick with what I got and wait to upgrade to something bigger in 2 years time?
Thanks

JoeyDelp said:
Hi guys,
Give me some good info on this. If the LCD density app cant change the physical resolution of the 320 x 240 screen we are stuck with, yet the HTC Aria manages to do HVGA with the same size screen, wouldnt it be possible to transplant a HTC Aria screen onto the HTC Wildfire and get a higher resolution by using an Aria's ROM or the newly dumped Wildfire S ROM?
Give me a lead on this. Would it be possible? or would it just be better to stick with what I got and wait to upgrade to something bigger in 2 years time?
Thanks
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This shouldn't really be in dev but... It probably wouldn't work as the processor is different in these phones, there was a thread on this ages ago, I'll look it up for you

Problems:
Physical size
Drivers
Probably different connectors
**** ton of work
Lack of interest in a low end phone
Better sell it and.buy something else.
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App

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Problems:
Physical size
Drivers
Probably different connectors
**** ton of work
Lack of interest in a low end phone
Better sell it and.buy something else.
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App
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True, totally agree with Alex_GP

Hahaha.. the most work is forgotten... you have to rewrite all code in the kernel that makes use of graphics and the rest of the kernel has to be compatible with the rest of the hardware of the wildfire. You have to port all the code of the Aria kernel that handles graphic processing and rewrite it without GPU usage.. and put that code in place of the wildfire kernel where it has similar code.. Lol enjoy :d

Or you could just sell it on ebay and get the wildfire s
Sent from my GT-P1000 using XDA App

Inserting a tiny resizer module into kernel should be enough to transform original wildfire's screen into virtual 480x320, but anyway, if this eventually happens, display update still will be twice slower without a gpu, so consider using your phone as it is.

Moved to general

reqmon said:
Inserting a tiny resizer module into kernel should be enough to transform original wildfire's screen into virtual 480x320, but anyway, if this eventually happens, display update still will be twice slower without a gpu, so consider using your phone as it is.
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That will not be enough since the graphic calculation on the aria is done bij a gpu, and it's predefined in the kernel wich gpu it has to acces. So you have te rewrite all access methods that make use of the gpu and write a similar graphics handling procedure into the kernel for the wildfire...

Extremely risky Desire HD physical mod, thoughts?

I was tinkering with my phone, and suddenly had an idea.
Would it be possible, to replace the desire HD's screen, with a model out of another phone?
I thought up a few key points that need to be answered first:
-What phone would be a suitable replacement? I was thinking either the One S's amoled screen, or the HTC Rezounds 720p screen.
-Would either of those screens fit in the desire hd's housing? I'm google-ing for some info on that.
-Do they have the same type of connectors? I think the Rezound would need a diffrent type of connector to transfer 720p bandwith, or is it universal.
-Say I manage to fit the Rezound's 720p screen into the DHD, and connect it properly, and subsequently mod the android rom to support 720p,
would the DHD's GPU be able to power it?
Anyways, i'm not saying this is something i'll do, but it seems like an interesting project over the summer. I have enough time on my hands!
So guys, any thoughts on this?

Don't think It'd work, H/W incompatibilty and S/W would go haywire
Sent from my Desire HD using Swype beta for Android!

Buy a screen and test it out then report back.

I asked this awhile back actually, the main problem is that the DHD's GPU highest possible supported screen resolution is what it's currently running. The second would that the kernel would probably needed to be modified, and the connectors are in different places, so modding them would be extremely hard.
Wish this was possible though.
Sent from my Desire HD

And the very fact that desire HD's screen is actually larger than the one s or rezound even if these device screens are "4.3" inch. Ours is wider.