To Android or not to Android... - HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera

Hey all,
I have been pondering on this question for a very long time... I love my HD2, I think it looks awesome and performs very well. The amount of things you can do with it make it my kind of phone.
However, I have been running on Winmo since I got the phone and never looked into different ROMS as the one it comes with seems to do the job.
Recently it broke, so its being sent off for repair (got stood on). So i'd thought i would look into this a bit more.
I think, if I do go ahead with it I will try out the shubCRAFT version as it looks so sweet.
However, I do have a few questions:
- I have copilot 8 on my current phone, would this still work on Android? I mean, I have paid for it afterall.
- Is remote desktop and wifi router avalible? I remember on my old Dream that I couldnt get these with Android.
- Is Android stable enough not to pull your hair out and get annoyed with bugs and crashes?
Thanks!

I know there is a version of co pilot for android. Not sure if your lic would transfer over after all it is for winmo. the app it's self isnt cross platform.
I know there are remote desktop type apps I dont use them so you will have to research. Wired tether works on some builds on some it doesnt. youll have to look deeper to see which one it does.
And last but not least
Android is stable for me. But i have been using it even when it wasnt stable.
There will be trials and errors afterall android wasnt designed to be on the hd2.
So you have to rely the selfless act of these wonderful people to iron out the kinks.
So you might wanna stick with winmo.

I'm probably wrong, but I dont think your able to use your Win Mo apps in android as they won't be compatible.
Also I have been running android for just over a week now, and I'm trying to find out how i can go back to Win Mo when i first got the phone.. with no custom ROMs, as using android will give you like 8 hours battery life, unless thats the version im using.
I have the Desire rom with sense, and the only good things are the apps, but my phone is unreliable as it will crash and freeze alot and rebooting every hour or so.
But im not very experienced with this so you may be able to get it to run smoothly

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I'm probably wrong, but I dont think your able to use your Win Mo apps in android as they won't be compatible.
Also I have been running android for just over a week now, and I'm trying to find out how i can go back to Win Mo when i first got the phone.. with no custom ROMs, as using android will give you like 8 hours battery life, unless thats the version im using.
I have the Desire rom with sense, and the only good things are the apps, but my phone is unreliable as it will crash and freeze alot and rebooting every hour or so.
But im not very experienced with this so you may be able to get it to run smoothly
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Info on how to revert back to stock is in the main hd2 thread. the battery life Is really dependant on your usage and the use of programs like setcpu. I know on mine the screen eats most of my battery. I had terrible battery life on my g1/htc dream. That tells me I just use my phone to much.
No winmo apps are not compatible at all but there might be a android version of a winmo app. I dont have the freezing and crashing that you do. Id say looking into Mattc's rom he has been getting a lot of good press.

Thanks for the replies...
Hmm, I may stick with WinMo for a while longer then...
I use copilot/wifi router (people love me in uni)/remote desktop alot so if they arnt fully compatiable then im not sure.
However, as Android will be running as an App, would it be possible to close it and carry on with WinMo then switch back when I want, or would it not be that simple =/

It seems it is possible to use Co pilot with Android, I may have a look into this when my phone gets in from repair.
Just unsure of which ROM to use D:

I use winmo when I need to ... and I hate it. You will find a lot of compatibles. Its what I had to do when I first bought the phone. I was coming from android and It was a big adjustment. I about freaked out when I had to use the silly slider at the bottom .
It doesnt hurt to have it. You could always turn it off at anytime and never use it.

android is installed on the memory card so you can always go back to window mobile if needed. There is a tutorial in here somewhere that shows the exact step to transfer your license to android. search for it.

putting android on sd card and running it is very easy......all you need is a radio above 2.08.50.........
you can install jwd dual boot app...then you can just shut down winmo, bootup android...shutdown android..boot up winmo...as simple as that.........
just try android for fun, it doesnot hurt.......whenever u want to go back to winmo...just reboot...simple !

Its real tough to reboot and use windows when you need to.
Its also real tough to delete android off the SD card when you want to get rid of it or copy another build to try.
Heck, i even have a real hard time renaming my usual android folder when i want to copy a new one to the SD card to try a different one.

carhigh said:
Its real tough to reboot and use windows when you need to.
Its also real tough to delete android off the SD card when you want to get rid of it or copy another build to try.
Heck, i even have a real hard time renaming my usual android folder when i want to copy a new one to the SD card to try a different one.
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Do you have a hard time turning the phone on also. sounds like you need an iphone.. It has the apps and the more gb's and the wifi's.
btw im totally kidding

Go for it. Android can do anything that Windows mobile can, but better. Igo Motonav is a good gps app for android. I transfered my IGO files from WM to android, so copilot may share files on each platform.

is there some way to play .avi files? its the last android issue I have

not sure about avi files but try meridian the one with the larger circle.. v.2 i think it is..
its the only video player i could find with nicer the stock on screen controls, such as repeat and forward and rewind.

rockplayer I believe will play them!

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Few n00b questions

So tomorrow I'm going to be getting my first ever smartphone (HTC HD2) and I had a couple questions.
1.) Do I need a 3G SIM card to obtain 3G speeds?
2.) What exactly is a ROM? Anybody know of really good ones for the HD2?
3.) Does the phone freeze often? If so is there a fix for this?
4.) If Windows 7 ever comes out for this phone will I be able to upgrade to it.
5.) Same as above but for Android OS
6.) Are there good apps out there? Like Last.fm, twitter, etc.
7.) Would Android apps work on the HD2?
Sorry for all the questions, just wanted to make one big post so that I didn't have to constantly nag and make other threads.
1.) Do I need a 3G SIM card to obtain 3G speeds?
I don't know the definite answer but I've had my SIM card forever and I get 3G speeds.
2.) What exactly is a ROM? Anybody know of really good ones for the HD2?
It's like installing a new operating system on your computer. But all of the ROMs are about the same, but are customized for different aspects (different versions of Sense (or not at all), what programs the Chef likes, etc). See the ROM section.
3.) Does the phone freeze often? If so is there a fix for this?
Sometimes. No.
4.) If Windows 7 ever comes out for this phone will I be able to upgrade to it.
Officially: No. Unofficially: unknown; don't count on it.
5.) Same as above but for Android OS
Being worked on, could take a looooooooooooooong time.
6.) Are there good apps out there? Like Last.fm, twitter, etc.
That guide in my sig has some decent apps. I know there's a Last.fm app and a good twitter one, but their names escape me.
7.) Would Android apps work on the HD2?
No. Same goes for iPhone apps.
Thanks for the quickly reply, also what do you think of the phone?
I only got to handle it a little bit at the store, should I return it and wait for something else or should I keep it?
I got the phone because I'm stuck on T-Mobile and I like Windows Mobile, and I absolutely love it from a hardware standpoint. Windows Mobile takes a while to grow on you, and if you've ever played with an iPhone it can be quite jarring to use.
If you like tweaking stuff and having more control over your phone, I definitely recommend it. If you like apps, ease of use, and eye candy, not so much..... It's a hard choice I know.
ETA: Personally, I think the keyboard kinda sucks on it, so if you like composing long emails or texting an insane amount, you might want to rethink your choice.
EDIT: Nevermind, I just saw that jdwrrzmm already pointed you to the same place I was anyway
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I got the phone because I'm stuck on T-Mobile and I like Windows Mobile, and I absolutely love it from a hardware standpoint. Windows Mobile takes a while to grow on you, and if you've ever played with an iPhone it can be quite jarring to use.
If you like tweaking stuff and having more control over your phone, I definitely recommend it. If you like apps, ease of use, and eye candy, not so much..... It's a hard choice I know.
ETA: Personally, I think the keyboard kinda sucks on it, so if you like composing long emails or texting an insane amount, you might want to rethink your choice.
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im withJDWRRZMM, i think thought the keyboard sucked, but i like a ton of things about it. ive only had mine for a few weeks, and honestly my first thought was there is not nearly enough to do on this phone (speaking from a non-developer stand point).... but i decided to let it try to grow on me, and the more i read through these forums, the more i like the phone...
like stated above, its not ANYTHING like an iphone(which i jumped from).... but in hind sight, the iphone had to grow on me too... i diidnt like aapple very much, so....
id say give it a few weeks, learn more about it, then make your mind up wether you like it or not...
sorry so much writing
1.) Do I need a 3G SIM card to obtain 3G speeds?
No
2.) What exactly is a ROM? Anybody know of really good ones for the HD2?
ROM is the OS. Good custom roms are energy and englencia stock roms is the latest one
3.) Does the phone freeze often? If so is there a fix for this?
Stock ROM-Yes ; Custom ROM- Yes/No Depends on how stable the rom is
4.) If Windows 7 ever comes out for this phone will I be able to upgrade to it.
If a chef can port it, but it will never be officialy released.
5.) Same as above but for Android OS
Same as above
6.) Are there good apps out there? Like Last.fm, twitter, etc.
Plenty. Liked the apps on the HD2 better than the blackberry's but not better than the iPhone(prob would get killed for this one ) or Anroid
7.) Would Android apps work on the HD2?
Not that anyone knows of
Cool apps I've found while using a Custom ROM
-Wireless Tether (makes your phone a wireless router for your laptop) most custom roms come with this pre installed
-Klaxon ( great custom alarm, Stock alarm sucks. It will shut off fully after a couple snoozes which is bad for me haha)
-BSB Tweaks (great app that lets you tweak your phone without doing it manually)
Hope this helps
Why do people hate the keyboard on this phone? I personally love it a lot better than Androids and Iphones keyboards.
If you want apps check out Omarket, there are a ton of free apps there. Few apps I would recommend would be co0kies home tab for great home customizing and clean RAM for keeping your phone running smoothly.
Coming from a g1, I did not think I would like not having a hard keyboard. I really like the keyboard on the hd2. I also have not had any freeze ups and any of the known lags. Cookies Home Tab is awesome. I would also recommend a good task manager. I use Dutty's and like it.
So I got the phone, I'm liking it so far and I have no freeze ups yet and the keyboard seems very nice.
Just one more thing, I saw that there was ROM update from HTC itself, how do I get the update?
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So I got the phone, I'm liking it so far and I have no freeze ups yet and the keyboard seems very nice.
Just one more thing, I saw that there was ROM update from HTC itself, how do I get the update?
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Have you tried the swype keyboard..that is what I use and it rocks...not many phones have swype so that is nice showoff feature..
Here is the link for the ROM update but you might want to check to see if your phone already has the updated stock ROM installed. But here is the link for the ROMs..you are looking for the 2.13 Go to START/SETTINGS/ABOUTPHONE/SOFTWAREINFORMATION then you will see the ROM version!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=655653
Hope this helps
Yea i have 2.13, what's the swype thing you're talking about though?
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Yea i have 2.13, what's the swype thing you're talking about though?
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If you have 2.13 you should have swype so you can check it out. Open up a text message and hit the keyboard icon on the bottom and once it pops up hit it again but a little to the right of the actual button and a list will pop up and you should select swype.
swype allows you to drag your finger from letter to letter without lifting to spell a word.
Check out videos on youtube by searching swype keyboard

Htc hd2 android froyo 2.2

Hmm ive been using froyo in my hd2 for the past few months its really great but i found a few problems, my screen always goes black randomly and have to remove the battery to restart it but then i have to reboot android from windows again lol, is there a way. I could choose to have automatic boot as droid?, and the facebook app that it supposef to havepre installed doesnt wotk so i cant sync my contacs to it. Hmmm and i cant use it in usb data transfer mode, a few preinstalled stuff dont work and some stuff isnt installed at all dont know how to fix it can anyone help me? I really like my fone as android, cuz windows realy just wasted the nice fone with win on it,
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Sounds like you're using an outdated version of Android (well the build anyway). I had several problems like you're describing with a few builds when I started out with Android.
Things have come on leaps and bounds now, facebook integration works across the board, black screen freezes and sleeps of death are very close to eradicated on the more mature builds and USB transfer mode has been working for a while too (I use it on a daily basis).
As for the bootloader, I use Exceller Boot Loader (search for it on this very site for an installable cab under WinMo) and you can automatically load Android every reboot once you've got it configured correctly.
So, in summary:
1: Update your build to a current one and see the changes. You can keep your current data a number of ways (data.img stores all your sms, contacts, games etc, but not all builds can read your old data.img, install Titanium Backup and read the wiki for it to get that working for almost guaranteed success)
2: Exceller Boot Loader or another boot loader of your choice, there are lots to choose from.
Thanks, amm do u have aby suggestions on witch froyo i should use cuz i see my post by like froyostone something like that but the one im using is darkfroyo something like that. Hmmm
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Honestly it's all down to what you prefer. Some people prefer Sense based builds, some prefer non-sense builds (CM6/MIUI/stock) and so on. My best advice to you would be to try a few and see how you get on.
for instance I used to only use sense builds until a couple of nights ago when I plucked up the courage to try ShubCraft 2.0 (A Cyanogen Mod 6 build) and I love it. The main thing to remember is to experiment and enjoy it.
If the andriod rom has grown from leaps and bound, why has there not been one that stable enough to use everyday? Not being a ass about it
But Id like to be able to use my phone without the issues that these new roms have, its bad enough when the window roms act up
I think you'll find that a lot of HD2 owners here are (and have been for a while!) using various android builds full time now. I have not actively used my HD2 in winmo mode for many weeks now.
Whilst there may be a few minor issues my experience is that current builds are much better than many winmo builds with fewer problems.
I prefer using desire based builds are better than Evo based builds but that is a personal preference.
Try them out seriously... the developers here have done great work.

My switch and why...plus some questions. Thanks.

Well, even though I actually don't have a problem with WinMo 6.5 outside of a few minor annoyances I've decided to make the switch over to Android...guessing NAND...though, still looking to here about WinMo 7...
I'm just noticing that there is more support and apps being developed for Android and the future of my HD2 suddenly shows more growth...have my fingers crossed waiting for Netflix to resolve the DRM issues they have with Android!
I was always waiting for a solid Android build that actually replaced WinMo (NAND is finally here). During that time I used WinMo and actually liked it. First thing I will miss is the customization. I don't think there's another Mobile OS that beats it in that department...and I REALLY like customizing.
I've been using Android more now and still don't understand how the NAND will work. Have read a lot...as far as installing, that won't be a problem with me. My questions start with customizing. Where will the media folder be? Is there a folder on the SD card that Android associates ring tones with? I make my own ringtones as mp3 files, so i need to know the structure of how Android handles media. WinMo was simple. Also, the Android build I was using did not support USB without major hickups...well...it just didn't work. I'm not going to assume all Android builds are like this, but can I expect Android to be able to link via USB and I can work with it as a storage device and create folders and organize in this manor?
I know you guys work hard and appreciate it, so please do not take this the wrong way. Which Android build is the most stable at this time with all features working? I ask this cuz I notice there tends to be some builds that come along much slower than others and bugs as well as a lack of hardware support can occur. Is there a build that's considered stable and all hardware is supported?
I've basically been trying to make Android provide the same experience as far as apps and ease of use I had with WinMo...I think I'm there.
Does Android have a set structure with Wallpapers...ringtones...documents and such? Example...does each file type have its own folder on the device or storage card in which Android associates the tools which manages them? I always keep my device clean and move all files to the card that don't NEED to be on the device. Is this possible with Android?
Android play well with Microsoft Docs?...Word?
I've always felt that Android ran smoother than WinMo 6.5. I noticed after a while it can get a little sluggish. Is Android like that? I believe Android is Linux base? I'm expecting memory management to better. On PC, I'm use to any Unix based OS to out perform WinAnything with resource management.
I also noticed something strange about some of these apps in the Android market. One, a lot of adds within the apps. Two, a lot of these apps tend to require access of priveledge areas that can be security risks...to make it worse you fine yourself saying why a browser would need access to anything else outside on internet and maybe GPS. Other apps have access to areas that make no sense to me.
Are their security issues with Android...it's market...or apps?
That's all i can think of now. Didn't have a moment to proof read, so please excuse me. Have to take care of a few things. be back shortly.
Thanks.
WOW! What can I say... Ditto. I love WinMo, but I'm fearful that I'm watching it's death rattle. Win Phone 7 seems like a illegitimate infant in a world of fast moving, focused, college freshmen (albeit, not the brightest).
I had a lot of reservations with switching from WM. Mainly related to the phone being able to handle work related stuff. So I too ran WM and android on SD. I must admit though, that after having run android for almost 2 months without loading WM, (I basically pretended I had bought a new phone and forgot all I could do with WM), I had figured out work-arounds and got it running more than sufficiently. The only problem I had was having to back-up the SD in fear of a random reboot corrupting the data.img. Now with NAND, it's no longer a problem. I can honestly say that the switch was easy, and I'm glad I no longer have winmo in my life.
IMO Android is a far superior OS, and I can't sing it's praises enough.
As for all the questions:
Media folder is built like this:
media
->audio
->->alarms
->->notifications
->->ringtones
->->ui
Different folders are available for their obvious uses (i.e. go into ringtone selection, and you don't get the ui folder listed).
USB is more than stable (for me at least), never had a problem since NAND. Having most stuff moved to SDCard the phone hates it when I plug it in as a disk drive, (widgets disappear etc.) but within a minute of unplugging it it's back to normal.
I personally feel the desire build are the best, however as for more stable? I believe we are reaching a plateau where stability is the norm. I have tried nexus builds, and have had no problems with them either, it's just personal taste. The HD builds (Desire HD Base) are a little more 'experimental' but with reading, you'll learn what works on each build, and what doesn't. Figure what's important to you, and check.
The best advice I can give is get hold of SPB Backup (For WM). Do a full backup. Then jump in at android's deep end. (After reading how obviously). If you don't like it, re-flash winmo, redo your backup, and it's like you never left. You won't regret it though.
Man I'd love to dump WM as well, bu I can't bear the thought of all the days going by where I can't be the dude on the bus who reboots into ubuntu to pass the time...sigh.
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The best advice I can give is get hold of SPB Backup (For WM). Do a full backup. Then jump in at android's deep end. (After reading how obviously). If you don't like it, re-flash winmo, redo your backup, and it's like you never left. You won't regret it though.
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Microsoft My Phone actually does fine with all the backup I need.
I'm still wondering about security issues. Example: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-20026804-83.html
Also, hit a bump in the road. It would seem that Android doesn't support the Mugen 2600 Extended battery!
The primary security issue with Android isn't Android or Linux, it's Google. Google's security is very problematical, Gmail has been hacked (as has Gmails security software) by someone.*
*Some think it's the Chinese government, the official Chinese response is, "No, it's just kids" but since all hacked accounts we know about have been dissidents, the government theory looks pretty solid....
The primary issue is NOT Google. It's the user.
If you're loading up banking apps on a device that you could lose, be stolen, or bluetooth hacked, then don't blame anyone but oneself.
I've yet to know anyone who's been phone-hacked if that's any consolation.
As a former hd2/android user Id have to say It makes the entire experience of the phone better.
I think it also depends on what you are use to. as far as customizing I would venture to say that there is just as much customization with winmo as there is android. Though id have to say I found myself looking for skins more often than not cause winmo was so ugly to me.
I enjoy having almost direct access to all my data without it having to look like winphone7.
As far as security I think its always been tighter because most people were on different types of phones. now that we have blackberrys and iphones and android phones I think possible viruses will show.
I believe google has a built in kill switch for rogue apps. Also if you buy apps from the legit market you should have no problem!
Ok two things that I'm trying not to get frustrated about before I put a little research into it...
First, why in the world does Android want to crop every image instead of using the entire image as a wallpaper?
I even have wallpapers that are the exact size of the display and Android still wants to crop a small portion of that image?....help please...
Second, why can't I get a simple widget or window dedicated to favorite contacts, such as sense in WinMo does without having to pay for it?
Android doesn't have a simple tool that allows you to setup a favs like Sense does in WinMo? There's this LaucherPro that wants to charge me to do so?
Thanks
Why does Photoshop Express require access to personal information, phone calls and full internet access?
Devils1stBorn said:
Why does Photoshop Express require access to personal information, phone calls and full internet access?
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checking the install notes It says
the only one that bothers me is the it reads contact info.
the phone state is different than phone info. it basically should shut down when you recieve a phone call. why it needs access to your contacts is why im uninstalling it.
I can also set basic contacts by long pressing a blank spot on the screen and selecting shortcuts>contacts>the actual contact.
wallpaper I believe if you set the picture with the proper resolution it shouldnt crop it
Devils1stBorn said:
Ok two things that I'm trying not to get frustrated about before I put a little research into it...
First, why in the world does Android want to crop every image instead of using the entire image as a wallpaper?
I even have wallpapers that are the exact size of the display and Android still wants to crop a small portion of that image?....help please...
Second, why can't I get a simple widget or window dedicated to favorite contacts, such as sense in WinMo does without having to pay for it?
Android doesn't have a simple tool that allows you to setup a favs like Sense does in WinMo? There's this LaucherPro that wants to charge me to do so?
Thanks
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1. You can just expand the crop window so it encapsulates your entire wallpaper, if it indeed is in perfect size. Keep in mind the crop window is sized for 3 homescreens or 5 or however many you have, so if your perfect size is for just one screen (480x800) you'll have a bit of a problem there.
2. You can just place contacts on the desktop. That's the closest you'll get without paying for this in LauncherPro. While you're at it, even if you don't want to pay - get LauncherPro and replace the default Launcher already. You'll love its speed superiority immediately.
A lot of devs put permissions on to prevent possible problems, also, not sure if it relates to android, but I know some permissions are needed for things that you would not normally relate them to, possibly things like automatically pausing operations when a call comes in etc...
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1. You can just expand the crop window so it encapsulates your entire wallpaper, if it indeed is in perfect size. Keep in mind the crop window is sized for 3 homescreens or 5 or however many you have, so if your perfect size is for just one screen (480x800) you'll have a bit of a problem there.
2. You can just place contacts on the desktop. That's the closest you'll get without paying for this in LauncherPro. While you're at it, even if you don't want to pay - get LauncherPro and replace the default Launcher already. You'll love its speed superiority immediately.
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I figured out the contacts on desktop, thanks though!
As for the wallpapers, I do try to expand the Window and it never completely encapsulates the entire image. I just dont get why Android doesn't allow the Wallpaper to remain static while your homescreens maneuver over it.

android weekest points

well, after a fair play with my DHD android device and coming from HD2 winmo, yes i have a good impression with android, it's better in many cases, but fail in many other essential cases too. not speaking about any visual, gaming, or any specific app here, cause mainly android have the power in this area, but we are speaking about native and essential issues:
1-in a platform where you have the option to have 32 gb as sdcard, i guess u have the right to full this sd card with apps, documents, mp3, movies, images or whatever. instead, of that, if you install more than 100 apps on the sd card (knowing that the htc devices comes preloaded with a bloatware of 165 apps, i guess 100 apps is nothing here) the device have a chance to not load properly the sd card apps, or start to have a massive lag (happened a lot of times).
2-i have a 16 gb sdcard, and now i have 8 gb free, so used 50% of the sd card, and the device have lagging symptoms.
so basically android is functioning better with less files and apps, when winmo have no effect whatever i have on my sdcard, the system will never lag according to sd file system, or the system will not lag to death whatever apps are installed on the sd card.
3-folder browsing applications is better handeled in winmo, like image gallery browsing, music, videos, support the folder browsing option better than android.
4-for now, my test are based on built in video player and mvideo player, and i can say movies have better smooth play on winmo.
5-winmo connect to pc with one single way (active sync) and provide, syncing files, internnet passthrough, exploring the disk files. on the other hand, each time u want to make a job in android, u have to change the way it connects to pc (internet passthrough, or disk drive or sync files) winmo can do all at the same time.
1. You install all those apps on the SD Card and each time you start one its always running, no wonder you experience lag.
2.Same as no.1
3. My experience with winmo and everything to do with it was horrid, it was completely laggy and it was a clean wipe. Folder browsing was hideous and so was everything else.
4. Movies definitely play smoother on android, I couldn't even get a video file to save on winmo, nevermind play it.
5. Why is there the need to use the phone as a disk drive, charge it, internet passthrough?
Definitely not the case for me.
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To be honest I think your problem is just unfamiliarity with Android. After all, people get used to whatever they use everyday then, when they have to change, all you see at first is 'but this doesn't work like <insert old system here> ...'. ALL operating systems/phones/computers are ideal for someone but ALL of them have faults. As long as you can live with them then all is well. If it's a phone you have for 12/18/24 months the best situation is to make the most of the positives, rather than complain about all the negatives. Or sell it and get a new Winmo phone.
Dave
I agree to 2nd post
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Here come the english teacher.
To topic, there's no way winmo do those things mentioned by original post better than android. My friend has Htc HD2, I sold it to him...lol Like someone said try learning the curve or sell the HDH.
most of the times peopels on board flame threads with opinions or sharing experiences. please try to undersntand that it's something to be discussed not flamed, and as i was expecting some negative replies, i also expect some positive and constructive discussions. and to go further, it's my third month with android, yes i'm new kind of, but fairly i have a good background in troubleshooting, developping, customizing... briefly i tried almost more than 1000 applications from marketplace (apps and games) i categorised and filters most of them, i also did select the best app in each field, and for those who said that 75 apps is a lot, let me tell you that it's just apps and not the games list, and 75 apps that are installed are very essential to be on the phone, and by the way all of them are on the phojne memory and i still have 750 mb for internal memory.
it's just that puttings more installed games on sd card may corrupt the start up of the apps, since android get dizzy loading bunch of them at starup, the thing that winmo dont have this prob, and saying that is not like saying i want to go back winmo, dont take it rude, but please stop acting like the guards on the (your favorite or your owned device) castle, things dont go like this.
in fact if you see that there is a solution, workaround, something to discuss or share, or even if you passed with this experience, please share it, that's what make the forum helpful and going forward.
yes guys i like android more than winmo (winmo is a dead OS anyway) and failed for long time, but for me i faced these problems in android, they maybe a problems for others, maybe not for you, and yes winmo handeled the above listed issues better than android, face it, so why not we discuss why it's better in winmo and how to enhace it (in workaround or developping something to fill the gap).
ex.: "why do i need to make the device as disk drive" cause it's helpfull to have the option of moving files btw device and pc, and browse it in astro or any other explorer at the same time, install apps, or preview images, no need to switch btw disk drive and htc sync or internet each time you need to do any task, for sure it's a better choise to have them all done at one selection sync.
why documents files (music, movies, images) on sdcard may slow the device, if you think it's a normal issue, and the device should start to lag normally if you have bunch of them, then let's ask why they gave us the freedom to have a 32 gb of sdcard (is it to fill it with only 4 gb in order to not lag the device) something wrong here, no? let's ask again, why winmo or iphone handle this issue better (mmm, is it something about handling file caching, file indexing, refreshing..) can we discuss it this way, can we try to figure it and maybe find a solution for now or wit for a android future solution (maybe honeycomb).
sorry if being harsh but please read well before a harsh replies and flame the post.
thank you for your understanding.
The limitations with the sd card you are talking about are not an android problem per se. It is a dual problem with device manufacturers failing to provide enough user accessible rom. The other prong is that developers design their apps to install straight to sd, to accommodate the aforementioned devices.
The dhd has no such limitation, 1gb is plenty for apps. I have 50 apps including some games, all have been moved to internal rom if not done so automatically. I don't get any lag at all.
Of course I can see how someone new to android may not know to move their apps off the sd and think their phone is laggy but this is an unfortunate side effect of Google offering manufacturers the freedom to run android on anything they wish.
Sent from my performance enhanced Desire HD.
Do you think the speed or "class" would have any effect on lag?
e.g. if you had lag on a class 2 card would you expect a class 6 to 10 to resolve this or would this have no effect.
Not that I have any lag problems at all, just curious
Here comes the English teacher.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App
point #5 is true but its not a major problem i guess
personally i feel that android is what winmo should have been
win7 is a disaster and it'll remain that way, they've tried too hard to copy apple and will never succeed being a copycat
but coming back to the topic, i guess that the fundamental problem with android is that its java based and as a java developer i know for certain that its a pain in the ass to develop applications on java... i can't forsee myself building a java game especially one that runs off 3D because the number of objects and classes will grow its complexity exponentially
on the iphone we have games like street fighter, winmo has prince of persia
i doubt we'll be seeing such complex games on android anytime soon
I have something to add since I've had the chance to use both OSES.
Ever notice how YouTube has to re-download the video you're currently watching if you want to repeat it? Not only am I wasting bandwidth but I can't enjoy my videos in HD because my connection isn't fast enough.
WinMo YouTube app > Android YouTube.
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[Q] Greetings and a couple of questions

First of all I'd like to introduce myself, my name is Nemanja, I'm from Bosnia, 17 years old, been following the forums for a while now but never really had the need to register because I didn't have a Android Smartphone, but now I do, and it's the GT 540, so I am hoping for some good conversations and a lot of nice informations about this phone (already found some neat stuff). Greetings once more.
Now, to some questions.
1. I'm pretty pleased with the phones speed taking into consideration it's outdated, but I'm wondering are there any tweaks to make it a lil' bit or a lil' bit more faster?
2. When I got the phone from my friend, we did a Factory Reset to delete all of his accounts connected to the phone, but the Android Market doesn't work, it crashes right on startup, which sucks, is there a way of fixing this?
3. I want to upgrade to CM7 but I'm totally clueless if I should because the Volume (-) button is not responding, only the Volume (+) button is working, I don't know if that should be a problem because of fastboot, recovery or something like that.
That's all I have to ask now, maybe I'll remember something later on.
Cheers and thanks in advance! :fingers-crossed:
speedphantom said:
First of all I'd like to introduce myself, my name is Nemanja, I'm from Bosnia, 17 years old, been following the forums for a while now but never really had the need to register because I didn't have a Android Smartphone, but now I do, and it's the GT 540, so I am hoping for some good conversations and a lot of nice informations about this phone (already found some neat stuff). Greetings once more.
Now, to some questions.
1. I'm pretty pleased with the phones speed taking into consideration it's outdated, but I'm wondering are there any tweaks to make it a lil' bit or a lil' bit more faster?
2. When I got the phone from my friend, we did a Factory Reset to delete all of his accounts connected to the phone, but the Android Market doesn't work, it crashes right on startup, which sucks, is there a way of fixing this?
3. I want to upgrade to CM7 but I'm totally clueless if I should because the Volume (-) button is not responding, only the Volume (+) button is working, I don't know if that should be a problem because of fastboot, recovery or something like that.
That's all I have to ask now, maybe I'll remember something later on.
Cheers and thanks in advance! :fingers-crossed:
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This is what you wanna do to your phone
1 - flash a rom with fastboot via kdz
2 - flash custom rom via fastboot
3 - Flash recovery
once phone its on
download swapper from market
and ur done
Arcanium said:
This is what you wanna do to your phone
1 - flash a rom with fastboot via kdz
2 - flash custom rom via fastboot
3 - Flash recovery
once phone its on
download swapper from market
and ur done
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Thanks mate, been around the forums for a bit longer last night, in the end I did the euro+fast KDZ with Clockwork 6.0 and added Zoe ROM 7.7, the phone works like a charm now!
Many thanks, I'll stick around this forum, it has everything I need for my android
how well does it work im on CyanogenMod10_Final#2.zip, but performance sucks,this aint my main phone so maybe im jsut used to my other LG, anyway i rmb back in the day i used gt540 daily i could play games such as dungeon defenders if swap at 512, and gameloft game suck as avatar, does phone freeze on you?
Arcanium said:
how well does it work im on CyanogenMod10_Final#2.zip, but performance sucks,this aint my main phone so maybe im jsut used to my other LG, anyway i rmb back in the day i used gt540 daily i could play games such as dungeon defenders if swap at 512, and gameloft game suck as avatar, does phone freeze on you?
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Well, compared to my 2.1 stock Eclair I have way more RAM when I kill apps, sometimes even up to 77MB but mostly around 55 - 60MB, battery life is kinda good, I really can't tell because I'm always listening to music and surfing the web, but the phone never froze on me.
Only issue I've come across is the Facebook app being way to slow, but when browsing facebook in the stock Browser it works like a charm. So far the ROM is excellent, no crashes, stable, fast, lots of options, standard root, I would recommend it any day!
About games and the swap thing, I'm new to the android world so I don't really know what swap actually does but I didn't download any games yet, so I can't give you an answer to that question
speedphantom said:
Well, compared to my 2.1 stock Eclair I have way more RAM when I kill apps, sometimes even up to 77MB but mostly around 55 - 60MB, battery life is kinda good, I really can't tell because I'm always listening to music and surfing the web, but the phone never froze on me.
Only issue I've come across is the Facebook app being way to slow, but when browsing facebook in the stock Browser it works like a charm. So far the ROM is excellent, no crashes, stable, fast, lots of options, standard root, I would recommend it any day!
About games and the swap thing, I'm new to the android world so I don't really know what swap actually does but I didn't download any games yet, so I can't give you an answer to that question
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ok let me explain swap in a few words
Swap creates a file in ur sdcard, and uses the allocated space as memory.
swap files do inded decrease ur sdcard life, people say after 2 years of swapping sd card goes dead
another way to use swap
is to format ur sd card into 2 partitions, 1 fat 32 for ur files and the other for swap
basicly swap increases ur phone memory
back in the day i wanted to play dungeon defender on lg gt540 but it needed a phone with 512 ram, so i created a swap file with 450 mb and ran it no problems, altho it ws a bit over clocked not much over 700 otherwise its gonna fc on you or SOD, either way overlcocking reduces ur cpu life , one thing u can also do to improve graphics its 16 bit transparency, but it might get some glitches if it gets ''overflooded''
hope that helps
in sort, ur best option is
format sd card into 2 and make one part ur swap
overclock to 704mhz
16bit transparency
disable stuff on ur phone such as facebook google drive, task killes (use native) also dont use swift key or any other keyboard

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