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I know there are people who love sense/rosie, I used to be one of them. But the more I use my phone, the more I find myself just wanting it cut down a bit and more streamlined..
I have no need for facebook or twitter, htc mail widgets etc.
The only things I see value in are the dialer, pinch to zoom in the browser and the music controls on the lock screen..
I have found myself setting 'home' as the default on most of my ROM's and having everything go fast, but I can't help thinking it could be even better..
I am fine with 3 to 5 home screens, no need for leap..
Just a lightning fast, stable build with no bloat or social crap..
Am I alone in wanting this?
TJ
For all the Dev's, you are doing AWESOME work, I love playing with all the ROM's and sincerely appreciate your time and effort. I know the masses want rosie, but there are a large number of people who aren't the majority
Honestly, I really like the HTC Friendstream and/or Twitter widget, but I can do without them. One thing I would miss is the HTC camera, but I found out today that it's been ported to the Nexus One, so I don't see why we couldn't get the HTC Camera in a vanilla Hero ROM.
I've noticed (using Villain 5.0, aka the 2.1 Sprint Hero ROM) that if I'm listening to music and using google navigation, the music skips sometimes, mostly when the GPS app is calculating something. I figure getting rid of Sense might fix this by freeing up some RAM.
So, as long as we can get the HTC Camera into a vanilla ROM (and maybe that's already been done... anyone?), then yes, I would rather use a vanilla ROM.
With a vanilla ROM we should also be able to use voice dialing, right? Since we'd be using the google dialer instead of the HTC one?
Save Heros from sense.
I really don't like sense and hate the thought of having to return to it for a stable phone... the stock android experience is what I want on the my Hero.
I am a developer and do know Java well but I don't have much time to dive into Android although I have started. I have the sdk, eclipse, and the source synced and started looking at the code.
I know we are waiting for HTC to release updated kernel sources and to get our hands on stable drivers but I would like to get Gallery3D and Launcher 2 working
It's a shame that I have this tease... a 80% stable phone using aHero v0.6.1 but the phone still locks up and reboot randomly... this could have a lot to do with the kernel and drivers.
Gallery3D used to work in both landscape and Portrait on Android 2.0
Not sure if this is Google dropping support or bad drivers but I have had Google Earth running on this Hero too.
Launcher2 is actually faster then launcher but it seems to swap out of memory or something when the phone sleeps and takes a few seconds to wake up.
I will try and look at the code more but I'm hoping some very skilled Android Hero guru will save the Hero and get us up and running %100 in the next months.
i support the notion for a vanila rom. sense is nice, but truthfully, i am a fan of the stock android gui. for some, its clunky. for me, i can work around it. i feel the phone would be more of a true enthusiast's phone with the stock OS, and sense tries to well..(no pun intended) make sense for people new to having a phone.
HTC is doing a great job making android phones appealing, but the way android OS looked prior to sense was what appealed me to it in the first place...something unique, one that is sort of minimalistic yet packs a lot of options for an end-user. I find HTC's widgets beautiful but slow. And in a phone, i'd rather have zip to make an emergency phone call rather than a cool UI soaking up the resources to display the weather. thats not to say i don't like cute little things like that, though. just have the speed first, optimize and incorporate later. 1.5 did well, and 2.1 really makes android very nice, keeping its simplicity and making subtle yet elegant additions.
2.1 stock rom based from these leaks pls =3
It's good to see i'm not alone..
I agree that once the new kernel comes out I think it will be much easier to get a fully functional stock 2.1 happening..
I have used raidroid 2.1 and I was VERY impressed with the speed, but all that makes me think is how it could be even faster!
I just like the idea of a business like experience.. No bull****, just do what you are built to do.
I'm pretty keen to see a fast stock rom as well. I already use the stock keyboard because of its speed and I was using Launcher2 for a while, but it was too buggy.
But really, more then anything I want a fast, stable build to run with.
The only thing I think it would really miss is the music player controls on the lock screen, but I think they could do with some work.... not fast enough at the moment, the same goes with unlocking to answer a phone call, it all seems to take too long.
agree
aHero 0.61 is good, but still a bit buggy
im not a fan of the sense bloatware approach
I'm currently working on a rom that pretty much fits these requirements.
CyanogenMod based (this may change due to video playback issues), JIT enabled, and after an initial release, I may try and integrate drivers from the CDMA 2.1 roms.
Oh, and it won't have Sense (inefficient and ineffective), Launcher2, Live Wallpapers or any of the rest of that superfluous crap.
I would love to see a stable build of a vanilla rom...everytime one is released i flash right away but theres always a major bug that push me to sense roms again.
I even like the android camera,mostly in poor light conditions.
The music control in lockscreen is nice but not nice enough to make it a setback...
All the social widgets(twitter,facebook,mail,buzz,etc.) can be found in market for free...many of them better then HTC ones.
Genie widgets can do weather and news(I use them in sense roms)
If ppl dont like android calendar widget,"smooth calendar" is similar to HTC calendar(to me is much better) and free.
And thats what makes vanilla rom so good,i only install this apk if i want to or need it...my phone,my rules.
yeah i would love one!
I also hate seeing SocialNetworkReciever firing up all the time in logcat when my phone is asleep when I have no accounts for fb, twitter and flickr..
*SocialNetworkReciever is being called every 5 mins! Even after removing peep!
Just like any OS on whatever device. It should be basic and fast.
+1 for Vanilla.
I very much prefer the vanilla Android experience over Sense. For me Sense adds nothing but bugs and bloat and also a few Android features I like are missing in HTC Android.
I would like one as well. Currently I am just stripping everything from someone's custom rom, perhaps I should try the Kitchen that's available to make my own 2.1, based on AOSP.
Yep, i'm on board. A 2.1 Vanilla ROM, possibly with Multi-Touch in the Browser, Touch Focus in the Camera and the HTC dialler would be perfect.
I loved the aychteesee rom for this reason. at the time it was the fastest around for the hero. shame it never got updated, there were one or two bugs that pushed me back to sense.
It makes sense to install an os with very few features on, as we have the Market! I really don't find any htc widget/app that performs better than a Market place counterpart. Just look at Camera Zoom FX.
Best Vanilla Rom
Hi all,
I've tried lots of ROMs and I must say that Kagudroid 1.2.2 is by far the best. It is vanilla Android and it is faster, more stable, less buggy than any other ROM. The only drawback was that the camera was unstable, but now there is a fix for that in the post on Htcpedia.com (http://htcpedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1979)
Try it, it's the difference you're looking for!
I really want a stock fast vanilla rom.. Going to try this kagudroid.. Let's se how it is
Taijohnsen said:
I know there are people who love sense/rosie, I used to be one of them. But the more I use my phone, the more I find myself just wanting it cut down a bit and more streamlined..
I have no need for facebook or twitter, htc mail widgets etc.
The only things I see value in are the dialer, pinch to zoom in the browser and the music controls on the lock screen..
I have found myself setting 'home' as the default on most of my ROM's and having everything go fast, but I can't help thinking it could be even better..
I am fine with 3 to 5 home screens, no need for leap..
Just a lightning fast, stable build with no bloat or social crap..
Am I alone in wanting this?
TJ
For all the Dev's, you are doing AWESOME work, I love playing with all the ROM's and sincerely appreciate your time and effort. I know the masses want rosie, but there are a large number of people who aren't the majority
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I don't think this is the right part of the hero threads for your Christmas wish list, mayee the Q&A section. Try picking a Rom that's already close to what you require and giving feedback
Would love one, too!
<3 Google / Android 4 Life ;-)
Hey guys i was wondering how everyone likes their hd2 because i have a mytouch slide but this guy is willing to trade his hd2 for it and i know nothing about winmobile. Is it good i heard a lot of bad rumors about winmobile so just want some input from people who actually own this phone thanks.
Sent from my super badass rooted slide that all the chicks love
I wont lie. I never really liked the phone until after I flashed it. There were to many freezes and to me the start menu looked plain. I know the new tmobile rom fixed some issues but a custom really did the trick for me. Now, I don't think android could really satisfy me like windows mobile does. So, if you're not willing to flash I wouldn't trade.
What do you like best about the mytouch slide? I'm actually interseted in getting one cuz I miss having a real keyboard.
The keyboard is the best on this phone its actually fast as hell and the camera with flash is nice my only problem is there is only like two people deving for it so there arnt a whole lot of roms to choses from thats why im thinking about trading it.
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jriv said:
The keyboard is the best on this phone its actually fast as hell and the camera with flash is nice my only problem is there is only like two people deving for it so there arnt a whole lot of roms to choses from thats why im thinking about trading it.
sent from my super badass rooted slide that all the chicks love
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I'll tell you this much. The worst thing about the HD2 is it's keyboard. I don't care what anyone says its impossible for me to get use to it. Fortunately, the amount of the support for the phone is awesome. And I love that I can play avi movies, use as a wifi router, and customize everything about the phone. There is a lack of support on the Microsoft market but almost everything can be found on xda or the net if you look hard enough. The one app i need is an age calculator for the hd2, which I'm convinced does not exist. If I were you I'd keep the mytouch and buy an HD2 off craigslist. I believe they're running about $250, which isn't bad.
Edit: Just found an age calculator. It's very plain jane but it's exactly what I need for work. http://uploaded.to/file/5m2co3/age-calculator.1.0.CAB
I would go for the HD2 as long as it hasn't been abused. I would play with it as much as possible before making the trade to make sure. As has been already stated the HD2 really shines when you flash the ROM. Since you rooted your slide I am guessing you wouldn't be shy about that. My wife is using the latest Tmous ROM though and is happy with the phone. If you end up absolutely hating WM you might not be stuck as Android for the HD2 is moving along fairly quickly. I am perfectly fine with WM so I don't see a problem. The only downside to the trade could be non-comparable battery life and that the HD2 doesn't have a hardware keyboard. For me the soft keyboard + swype is considerably better than a hardware keyboard. Run to a Tmo store a try it out if you are on the fence, just make sure you try out swype when you do.
The Htc Leo is a beast it's the Godfather of Wm 6.5 phones!
Stock the phone is ok but a touch buggy. Replace the stock rom with Energy or another custom rom and your in hog heaven running 10 times more stable then Android or iOS. Now that being said if your used to Android or iOS, WiMo is way way different. Its like a real computer crossed with a phone, you will need to download cabs manually to install software. There are a couple markets but nothign like apple or droid. But if you search the internet theirs actually 10's or thousands more apps made for wimo then either of the other OS's just because wimo's been around a decade. Ok after all that wimo is a business phone, if you plan on needing FTP, HTML editing, GPS apps, WORD, excel, streaming TV, streaming radio, or doing anything "hardcore" on your phone wimo is your only option. Its just quite a curve. People have gotten spoiled with all the new OS's that do everything for you and lock oyu out of everything. Then they come over to a wimo where everything is open and you have to go find everything and some have issues, they juts wanna click a button adn be done.
I also agree with DECIM8 , the virtual KB is far superior to a real phone KB. Especially swype. I can actually use that. I have mutated thumbs where one is short and fat, the other is long and slender so my thumbs suck for phone typing. But with swype I can use my index finger and just fly through words.
The slide comes with swype as well so its nice. But the keyboard is so spaced out on the slide its so nice the only downfall is just the lack of support everyone is tryng to sell theirs to get the vibrant or the nexus one so it kinda feels like the phone is outdated already
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The most thing i like hd2 is the potential to run other OS such as: android, linux or even window mobile 7
take a lot of getting used to for WM users and even more fro those new to windows mobile, im still on stock rom and have been ok so far, i wont flash until ive experienced the real problems
Speed increase is worth flashing alone. I picked up about 50% more speed and smoothness with the custom roms over stock.
ddgarcia05 said:
I'll tell you this much. The worst thing about the HD2 is it's keyboard. I don't care what anyone says its impossible for me to get use to it.
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I agree about the virtual keyboard. Swipe works only when you hold the phone in one hand upright and use the index finger of your dominant hand. It's not a very natural typing position, especially if you're used to using your thumbs. I don't know what it is about the virtual keyboard, but it is impossible to type a message quickly without mangling up the entire thing with errors (even in xd9 mode).
has any one came over from android and if so what do you think
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Love the visibility of the screen.
Sense is nice, but not geared for those of us who need a lot of links to files on our devices.
Selection sensitivity of the screen was horrendous out of the box. I flashed Spikegotti's Unoff 23127 ROM and that helped alot, both with the sensivity and overall performance of the device.
It is very fast indeed, I think I'm going to like the Snapdragon processor a lot.
I installed Spb Mobile Shell 3.5.5 and I have to say that between that and Spike's ROM, it improves the device, for me, to the point where I'll use it as my daily phone. That being said, the capacitive screen is going to take some time to get used to. It is not really geared toward selecting small things on the screen, such as individual cells in Excel, especially when they are links.
The keyboard is OK. I am not really a fan of HW keyboards. If the QWERTY KB allowed for customization (ie remapping of keys), and over time I could get used to placing my fingers exactly so to get the key I want, I could grow to love it. But without the customization if is just OK. Also, in landscape it takes too much of the screen in some apps.
I've installed Gyrator2 after trying several other rotation apps. It makes the HD2 much more useful for reading and research of the documentation I rely on.
Radio reception seems to be as good for me, in my locales as the TP2. HTC has come a long way in that. My Nokias do not do any better than them anymore.
Is it perfect? NO. Is it as close to perfect as my TP2? In most ways yes, and in some ways it is closer. Do I regret my purchase? No, but I'm not giving up my TP2 yet either, just in case.
All right looks like tomorrow im doing the trade im really nervouse about leaving android
Sent from my super cool rooted slide
I would do the trade assuming the HD2 is in good condition and works fine. Winmo doesn't feel as refined as android and imo isn't as good of an OS BUT, the HD2 has tons of support and you can already run android on it fairly well and things are moving very very fast here. I would expect a fully functional android rom for the HD2 pretty soon. The phone can also run ubuntu (though still in beta stages here too) and has potential for windows phone 7.
The hardware also blows the mytouch slide out of the water.
The hardware is key for me just because all the developers are skipping the slide in favor of the vibrant or nexus one
Sent from my super cool slide that im trading for a hopefully cool hd2
I was using Milestone before picking up an hd2, and The hd2 is just awesome even if it's running wm 6.5.
jriv said:
has any one came over from android and if so what do you think
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Came from a MT3G rooted. The hardware certainly flies compared to my previous phone and an iPhone 3g. The things I missed most are the pull-down notification bar, gmail integration (Android Gmail App), and the app market.
Yes, you can do just about anything and everything with the HD2 as people have already stated. Overall you will get a more "PC" like experience with this phone versus a "Touch-Optimized" experience like Android or iOS. The UI will scare you in a lot of aspects once you discover the WinMO underlinings, and the apps that you will find. If you don't mind asthetics, then this won't be so much a problem for you as it was for me.
As always, it comes down to what you are using it for, and what you expect from your phone.
What to update every one so I did the trade and tried windows for a bit just wasn't my thing but this phone runs android like a beast
sent from my hd2 running android froyo!
I just switched from a MT4G with Froyo 2.2.1 Sense UI to an NS with gingerbread 2.3.1. I must say that the phone is great as the MT4G is, but the Android gingerbread experience is bad. I think that this version of gingerbread should never have seen an end-user device like the NS that is sold by BestBuy. As a development platform or for geeks 2.3.1 is ok. But I think there are so many bugs and unpolished things in Gingerbread that I wish sometimes I would be back to Froyo with Sense UI. I had a N1 before and I know what Stock android means. Gingerbread feels at the moment like a bad beta: there are some lags on the homescreen with the stock launcher introduced with 2.3.1. The browser and flash movies is not usable at all, it is so choppy that it is an embarrassment to release something like that to end-users. We have a FFC but no support from Google for that yet and an NFC that is not supported yet either. I hope that we don't have to wait 6 months until we see a stable and snappy running version of Gingerbread. I can imagine that a lot of NS go back because the people that switch from iphones, BB or Sense UI Android phones expected something else.
uhhhhhh what? I've had zero bugs. ZERO. Way better than SENSE(YUCK) and FroYo. Reflash the software. Don't just complain and not be pro-active to fixing it. Gingerbread is VERY stable and VERY runnable. Start being pro-active and fix it. Just reflash gingerbread or warranty it out for a new one. It DEFINITELY works fine for 99% of the people out there.
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I just switched from a MT4G with Froyo 2.2.1 Sense UI to an NS with gingerbread 2.3.1. I must say that the phone is great as the MT4G is, but the Android gingerbread experience is bad. I think that this version of gingerbread should never have seen an end-user device like the NS that is sold by BestBuy. As a development platform or for geeks 2.3.1 is ok. But I think there are so many bugs and unpolished things in Gingerbread that I wish sometimes I would be back to Froyo with Sense UI. I had a N1 before and I know what Stock android means. Gingerbread feels at the moment like a bad beta: there are some lags on the homescreen with the stock launcher introduced with 2.3.1. The browser and flash movies is not usable at all, it is so choppy that it is an embarrassment to release something like that to end-users. We have a FFC but no support from Google for that yet and an NFC that is not supported yet either. I hope that we don't have to wait 6 months until we see a stable and snappy running version of Gingerbread. I can imagine that a lot of NS go back because the people that switch from iphones, BB or Sense UI Android phones expected something else.
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IDK what kinda Gingerbread you dealing with because Im not having those issues. My phone is great. Comparing MT4G sense to Gingerbread is like comapring a Kia to a Lambo...
I run stock 2.3.1 and my browser is lagging and flash videos are very choppy that were just fine on the mt4g. Home screen swiping fails sometimes too. Need a second swipe to move.
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Gingerbread stock is chock full of glitches. Others have reported the same, and I've experienced it myself. The home screen does lag every so often, including freeze (requiring a reboot); there are issues sometimes with trying to move icons (they don't get set correctly, or mysteriously appear in folders); there are problems with the stock keyboard (discussed a ton of times in other threads); gallery pictures sometimes disappear; often things requiring tapping twice to launch (despite the highlight clearly showing you've pressed it the first time); and probably one of the biggest offenders: custom ringtones constantly change randomly.
There's a slew of other problems often mentioned. I wouldn't go so far as desiring Froyo, but there's no question GB could use a helping hand of bug fixes in its next update.
Not one problem here. =D
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I've not had any homescreen trouble and I guess I've not even tried Flash in the browser but if you want something more Sense style why not try a different Launcher? LauncherPro or ADW or Zeam or Go or whatever...
mgymnop said:
I run stock 2.3.1 and my browser is lagging and flash videos are very choppy that were just fine on the mt4g. Home screen swiping fails sometimes too. Need a second swipe to move.
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No issues as far as the screen goes on my end. The browser is a known issue and a fix will be coming shortly, hopefully.
The OP might want to try a different launcher like Launcher Pro or ADW. The launcher really sets the look and feel of the device, and most third party launchers will let you get features HTC Sense or even an iPhone look and feel.
I personally like the Gingerbread experience with Launcher Pro, but to say it's perfect and bug free is a joke. There are plenty of bugs, most are minor, but some are downright major.
Major ones include the random reboots, in-call reboots, and bluetooth stereo streaming not working. Many report these right here.
Gingerbread definitely has a bit of a beta feel for me, or maybe more like a release candidate feel...
you forgot to list the random ringtones changing on its own
it finally happened to me! LOL
distortedloop said:
The OP might want to try a different launcher like Launcher Pro or ADW. The launcher really sets the look and feel of the device, and most third party launchers will let you get features HTC Sense or even an iPhone look and feel.
I personally like the Gingerbread experience with Launcher Pro, but to say it's perfect and bug free is a joke. There are plenty of bugs, most are minor, but some are downright major.
Major ones include the random reboots, in-call reboots, and bluetooth stereo streaming not working. Many report these right here.
Gingerbread definitely has a bit of a beta feel for me, or maybe more like a release candidate feel...
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I agree with the RC feel and no doubt the reason it's taking Google a long time to get GB out to other devices like the N1.
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Gingerbread stock is chock full of glitches. Others have reported the same, and I've experienced it myself. The home screen does lag every so often, including freeze (requiring a reboot); there are issues sometimes with trying to move icons (they don't get set correctly, or mysteriously appear in folders); there are problems with the stock keyboard (discussed a ton of times in other threads); gallery pictures sometimes disappear; often things requiring tapping twice to launch (despite the highlight clearly showing you've pressed it the first time); and probably one of the biggest offenders: custom ringtones constantly change randomly.
There's a slew of other problems often mentioned. I wouldn't go so far as desiring Froyo, but there's no question GB could use a helping hand of bug fixes in its next update.
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Thank you! I thought I am the only person who has these issues. I guess the people that have no problems are the ones that are rooted or running mods. But that was not what I am talking about. I was talking about stock gingerbread 2.3.1. I think I shouldn't be forced to root my phone to have it run properly.
AllGamer said:
you forgot to list the random ringtones changing on its own
it finally happened to me! LOL
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That would have been on my minor list...but only because it hasn't happened to me in quite a while.
Rebooting during a phone call is a major flaw, as well. Don't know how I forgot to mention that one too.
You know, I don't know how many people read my other posts in other threads, but I'm really beginning to reevaluate my position regarding Android overall. I am beginning to understand the price of customization, the price of having two different people develop software and hardware. Unfortunately, I don't agree with Apple's "the average user is an idiot" philosophy either... so I don't know. A part of me feels Google isn't taking the reigns of this as they should or could, and it shows. The Android experience can feel second rate.
Edit: Sorry to hi-jack the thread. Conclusion is, yes, GB is chock full of glitches.
Sure, I've had a couple reboots here and there, and the browser is very laggy on big pages, but overall I'm loving it. I'm running stock Gingerbread, not rooted, with Launcher Pro and this thing is fast. Real fast.
At first I didn't love this phone. Then I went back to my Nexus One for a day and couldn't deal. The screen on the Nexus S is awesome. It's fast, with tons of room for apps. I'm also running Better Keyboard. The stock keyboard was pretty good too, but BK seems to be running just fine in both portrait and landscape.
Sometimes after reboot, Launcher Pro crashes immediately. I restart it then it lasts forever. Not sure if it's an LP bug or a Gingerbread bug. But I'm sure some bug fixes will come over time.
I love my Nexus One to death. I will never sell that phone. But the Nexus S is my new baby.
mojonation1487 said:
uhhhhhh what? I've had zero bugs. ZERO. Way better than SENSE(YUCK) and FroYo. Reflash the software. Don't just complain and not be pro-active to fixing it. Gingerbread is VERY stable and VERY runnable. Start being pro-active and fix it. Just reflash gingerbread or warranty it out for a new one. It DEFINITELY works fine for 99% of the people out there.
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When you say Gingerbread is "way better than Froyo"....what exactly is better ? just curious
Im as big an Android fanboy as there is, but to say GB doesn't have a decent amount of bugs is ignorant. My 2 biggest gripes are the stock launcher problems and the laggy browser. Launcher Pro is a lifesaver. I don't know how 3rd party launchers can be BETTER than Google's own, but they are.
I also had the mt4g and realised it seemed quicker and had better quadrant scores because it has.over 700mb of ram and a second gen snapdragon. That being said, the NS is a dev phone so b patient and wait for more tweaks and custom roms to come out.
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I just switched from a MT4G with Froyo 2.2.1 Sense UI to an NS with gingerbread 2.3.1. I must say that the phone is great as the MT4G is, but the Android gingerbread experience is bad. I think that this version of gingerbread should never have seen an end-user device like the NS that is sold by BestBuy. As a development platform or for geeks 2.3.1 is ok. But I think there are so many bugs and unpolished things in Gingerbread that I wish sometimes I would be back to Froyo with Sense UI. I had a N1 before and I know what Stock android means. Gingerbread feels at the moment like a bad beta: there are some lags on the homescreen with the stock launcher introduced with 2.3.1. The browser and flash movies is not usable at all, it is so choppy that it is an embarrassment to release something like that to end-users. We have a FFC but no support from Google for that yet and an NFC that is not supported yet either. I hope that we don't have to wait 6 months until we see a stable and snappy running version of Gingerbread. I can imagine that a lot of NS go back because the people that switch from iphones, BB or Sense UI Android phones expected something else.
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Finally, got my Nexus S from UK
And I agree with the OP ... Gingerbread feels not finished ... not polished ... with a little bit lag from here and there.
Web browser is lag lag and lag (Flash updated, set to on demand). It is not comparable to my old HTC Desire (even though it is also a bit lag).
To be honest, HTC done much better on this! Sense is smooth, it's web browser is much faster.
And I am talking HTC Desire .... old hardware, old snapdragon gen 1 !!
Hopefully this will be addressed soon.
Decided to finally come out of lurking and throw in my $0.02:
Been switching back and forth between my Nexus one and Nexus S (Have LauncherPro on both) for the past few weeks. I haven't had any of the aforementioned bugs or problems with the Nexus S on 2.3.1 and IMHO it definitely feels more polished than 2.2.1. If anything I think there's considerable improvement from 2.2 to 2.3 in terms of feel like a "more complete and polished OS" as compared to 2.1 and previous.
But also keep in mind that those of us with Nexus S's are those who want to be at the bleeding edge of everything. For those of you less familiar with Google doctrine on their "products" like Chrome, Gmail (back in the day) need to realize that Google likes to push stuff out for early adopters to catch all the bugs and provide them feedback on your experience with it. Then over time they'll polish it all up and provide an better experience.
After tried all the roms in NADA way, i find the volume can't be adjusted when i close the display. This means that i had to touch any key first when listening the music, then i can adjust the volume.
I remeber there has same problem in some htc hero rom. But i can't find the solution for HD2.
Hope it can be solved by someone.
winnerxu said:
After tried all the roms in NADA way, i find the volume can't be adjusted when i close the display. This means that i had to touch any key first when listening the music, then i can adjust the volume.
I remeber there has same problem in some htc hero rom. But i can't find the solution for HD2.
Hope it can be solved by someone.
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As far as I know that is how all of them work... unfortunately. However, if someone does know a way around this, that would rock!
It's most definitely not standard, Digital Outcast! A couple of ROMs have this bug (or is it a feature?), just try some others.
MDJ's Gingerbread 2.6 sure has functioning volume buttons with a disabled screen, and it also features long-press to skip tracks (w/ screen off only).
StephanV said:
It's most definitely not standard, Digital Outcast! A couple of ROMs have this bug (or is it a feature?), just try some others.
MDJ's Gingerbread 2.6 sure has functioning volume buttons with a disabled screen, and it also features long-press to skip tracks (w/ screen off only).
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Wow really? I guess all the ROM's I've been running are "bugged", hah!
I would love those features... but are those available in 2.3 (Gingerbread) only? Is that maybe what it is?
Of all the roms I've tried (and that's quite a few) I have only experienced it 2-3 times. Granted, Sense builds never lasted more than a couple of hours so I can't vouch for them, I'm more of a stock guy.
I suppose you gave up trying after a few roms without it
It's been a feature for a very long time, I think even the stock 1.5 rom of my ol' HTC Magic had it.
Just feed your phone some Cyanogenmod love. Not only is it a wonderful ROM, the community behind it is should be an example for other communities and even companies.
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Of all the roms I've tried (and that's quite a few) I have only experienced it 2-3 times. Granted, Sense builds never lasted more than a couple of hours so I can't vouch for them, I'm more of a stock guy.
I suppose you gave up trying after a few roms without it
It's been a feature for a very long time, I think even the stock 1.5 rom of my ol' HTC Magic had it.
Just feed your phone some Cyanogenmod love. Not only is it a wonderful ROM, the community behind it is should be an example for other communities and even companies.
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Yeah, I should. CM roms are so clean and fast, I've used them before and always go back and forth. Even have one backed up with CWM when I feel like trying it out again. I just always tend to go back to the HTC roms because I like some of the HTC apps and widgets. I'm sure I could find replacements but never really care to look that far into it.
Clean indeed, yet one of the most fully featured available.
First of all, Gingerbread stock looks pretty slick. Sense still has some pretty good apps, bust most have nice replacements.
Fancy widget is similar to the cliché weather widget. I barely used it but it's popular and well featured, free version available on market.
Dialer One is a popular dialer, similar to the HTC one. Wasn't quite on par with HTC dialer in terms of design, but that may very well have changed by now.
The paid version of LauncherPro (#1 home replacement app imo) features some very nice widgets: facebook, twitter (and a combined one), calendar, contacts, ... Even without these widgets the free version is still a winner, beats the Sense home app handsdown!
So I have this problem, where I cannot for the life of me stick to a stinkin ROM type. AOSP or Sense. And since I am a fan of Sense 1.0 and until just recently there has been no good gingerbread roms using it ive had to try almost all the 2.1/3.0 ROMS. None which I like. Our phone is just too slow to handle it well (IMO).
So, does anyone else have this indecisive behavior? If you do what do you find yourself on most of the time? Sense, or AOSP?
AOSP / CM7.
I found that all my indecisiveness was cured with themeing my phone.
Used Launcher Pro instead of the cruddy default launcher that CM7 uses, I used android kitchen (http://uot.dakra.lt/kitchen/) to theme my status bar, drop down and icons in the status bar- and I used a couple more themeing widgets and apps found from people at http://mycolorscreen.com/category/android/
Also I changed the dock background to a better looking one and I moved around the icons in Launcher Pro so that it'd be simpler to click on them quickly (like the phone icon).
I think the key is to find a stable yet up-to-date ROM, then mod the crap outta it until you really love it, then don't update it unless you really want to (like a new version of android comes out). I'm not planning on upgrading my CM7 unless android has a new release, which may be a few months.
POQbum said:
AOSP / CM7.
I found that all my indecisiveness was cured with themeing my phone.
Used Launcher Pro instead of the cruddy default launcher that CM7 uses, I used android kitchen (http://uot.dakra.lt/kitchen/) to theme my status bar, drop down and icons in the status bar- and I used a couple more themeing widgets and apps found from people at http://mycolorscreen.com/category/android/
Also I changed the dock background to a better looking one and I moved around the icons in Launcher Pro so that it'd be simpler to click on them quickly (like the phone icon).
I think the key is to find a stable yet up-to-date ROM, then mod the crap outta it until you really love it, then don't update it unless you really want to (like a new version of android comes out). I'm not planning on upgrading my CM7 unless android has a new release, which may be a few months.
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Yeah but the problem I find with AOSP is that it indeed feels so half baked to me. Like there is no K9 dialing? WTH. (It's coming, some guy built it and is going to submit it to review, but still, it hasnt had this???) The browser is sooo much slower graphically. Flash is useless.
But it's so clean. And fast. never freezes.
And themes, eh they never feel complete either. Just my opinion. Thanks for sharing yours!
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Yeah but the problem I find with AOSP is that it indeed feels so half baked to me. Like there is no K9 dialing? WTH. (It's coming, some guy built it and is going to submit it to review, but still, it hasnt had this???) The browser is sooo much slower graphically. Flash is useless.
But it's so clean. And fast. never freezes.
And themes, eh they never feel complete either. Just my opinion. Thanks for sharing yours!
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ah yeah I think you're missing some pieces. If you want T9 dialing then there are "dialer" apps out there. Go Dialer I think was one of the better ones, but I still prefer stock (no T9 smart dialing but I'm ok with it)
You don't have to use prepackaged themes, really you can theme your phone into anything you're looking for. There are apps, widgets and modifications to do it, if you need any hints on which apps and places to go I can let you know. I don't even know what browser comes with CM7, I always uninstall. Dolphin Mini Browser has always been my favorite.
I think you are looking at only what is presented with the ROM, you can really exchange/modify most things in any rooted ROM pretty easily.
and I don't mean to try and sell you on a particular ROM, I just want to make sure you know what's possible and what's out there
OP, you must be a REAL flash-o-holic. I just tried CM7.1... again... on my Tbolt and I can't STAND it. CM doesn't seem any faster on my dInc or my Tbolt than the Sense 1.0 ROM I had on the dInc or the Sense 3.0 3D ROM on my Tbolt. In fact, it shows more lag on both. It's just not a finished product in my opinion. To relate it to a car...
A good Sense ROM is like the whole package. Everything has been thought out and the right things added and the whole package pretty nicely tied together and polished.
AOSP is kinda like GM just sold you the rolling chassis. Now you gotta put some kind of body on it, something to steer it with, lights, seats, wheels better than the stamped steel crap they rolled off the truck on... It's like a hobby kit of an OS. If someone offered a decent package of widgets for AOSP I might give it more than a half a day on my phone. I just don't have any desire to spend hours of time and money trying to slowly build an AOSP ROM into something that begins to do what I want. If AOSP was my only choice, I'd be back on BlackBerry.
I've been on MIUI as a daily for probably 6 months now, the themeing possibilities with this ROM honestly have gotten rid of any need to crackflash for me. BTW OP, it has T9 stock and a bunch of other great things.
I also tried most of the Sense 3.0 ROMs and couldn't find one that I liked enough to stay for more than about a week (Nils BS3.0 for the record) and most only last a few hours. Just can't beat the smoothness and possibilities that come with MIUI IMO.
i have been using skyraider 4.3 the most, swapped it out recently for CM7 until today i went back, and was super glad i did.
Key features for me are:
-CM7 style dual slider lockscreen
(this is a must because i like to be able to go directly to the dialer or messages, and have instant access to switch the phone to vibrate/ring from the lockscreen)
-stock gingerbread keyboard (not a fan of the sense one)
-quick and stable
-sense dialer
Edit: There is also a skyraider 5.0 in the works, using the new OTA gingerbread framework, though not ETA for that yet
My experience has been that Sense 1.0 ROMs are the most stable and smooth. I liked SkyRaider the best for performance and customization, but now that GB is official it's hard to stay on Froyo. SR 5 is coming, but probably not for a while.
My daily right now is Insensitive-Minimalist 2.1. It has the Sense framework, most of the better Sense Apps, but everything else removed. It's fast and stable, IMHO. It lacks the customizable features in CM, but I can live without those.
I keep a backup of CM7 on my phone for when I want to play emulators with my wii controller, otherwise I hop around on various Sense roms. Really liking the Bliss port that's going on right now.
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OP, you must be a REAL flash-o-holic. I just tried CM7.1... again... on my Tbolt and I can't STAND it. CM doesn't seem any faster on my dInc or my Tbolt than the Sense 1.0 ROM I had on the dInc or the Sense 3.0 3D ROM on my Tbolt. In fact, it shows more lag on both. It's just not a finished product in my opinion. To relate it to a car...
A good Sense ROM is like the whole package. Everything has been thought out and the right things added and the whole package pretty nicely tied together and polished.
AOSP is kinda like GM just sold you the rolling chassis. Now you gotta put some kind of body on it, something to steer it with, lights, seats, wheels better than the stamped steel crap they rolled off the truck on... It's like a hobby kit of an OS. If someone offered a decent package of widgets for AOSP I might give it more than a half a day on my phone. I just don't have any desire to spend hours of time and money trying to slowly build an AOSP ROM into something that begins to do what I want. If AOSP was my only choice, I'd be back on BlackBerry.
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Ah you share my thoughts exactly. Cyanogenmod and the team do a great job of what they do but AOSP to me is like what you said, a chassis on wheels. My favorite ROMs used to be virtuous and skyraider, but I can't go back to froyo now that in on the gingerbread train.
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