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Hi Everyone,
Longtime lurker here. Didn't want to ask questions until I exhausted all the Q&A threads. This is my first Android and by the way the Red MT is smokin!!!
I read all the threads relating to rooting and most of what I have gathered is about permanent rooting. I think the best bet for me is temp rooting and to remove the bloatware that came with my phone. However, there's not much info and instructions on temp rooting.
Can some kindly give me a step-by-step instructions on what I need to do to remove the bloatware (amazon thingy and the games) without permanent rooting?
Thanks in advance.
Easiest way is to disable apps, rather then removing them. This way you will avoid potential issues with future OTAs as well. You will not gain any space neither if you delete apps since most of them are in /system/app partition with is not user accesible.
1. Get Visionary from one of the threads here on on MoDaCo and temp root.
2. Get Titanium Back-up (get pro version, it's very nice and not too spendy)
3. In TB, go to Back-up/Restore tab, click any app and choose "Freeze" option.
This will put app in disabled state. Yes it's there, no it's not active, not in the app drawer and not taking up any resources. I would also detach those apps from market (again, in TB) to make sure you don't update them and put them back in "enabled" state.
Hope that helps. There's also a big thread about it in dev. section.
Good luck.
I did it another way - get visionary (its not on the market, google modaco and get the apk. You will need a file browser like astro, navigate to your downloads or whereever u saved it and instal it from there). Then get a terminal emulator from market. Open visionary, do root now or whatever that option is. It will take a minute to temproot, when done it wont say anything but it's rooted. Dont reboot.
open terminal emulator type
su (this gives u superuser access)
then type
pm list packages (this will list all packages)
then just look at the packages u want to disable (they're selfexplanatory mostly) and type
com disable EXACT PACKAGE NAME WITH CORRECT LETTERCASE (press enter)
and so on, it will tell you that such and such package is disabled
comprende?
ctakah27 said:
com disable EXACT PACKAGE NAME WITH CORRECT LETTERCASE (press enter)
and so on, it will tell you that such and such package is disabled
comprende?
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What you want to type is
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pm disable EXACT PACKAGE NAME
Please double check your spelling when you give instructions to someone else.
Titanium does exactly that (pm disable) but with UI so it's a little easier for new users, that's why I recommended that instead of doing it manually.
is the "pm disable" command like "freeze" in titanium backup? or does it uninstall the app completely? if it freezes it, how would i unfreeze it?
also, if i remove or freeze apps with a temproot, will the apps still show up or reinstall after i reboot?
borodin1 said:
Easiest way is to disable apps, rather then removing them. This way you will avoid potential issues with future OTAs as well. You will not gain any space neither if you delete apps since most of them are in /system/app partition with is not user accesible.
1. Get Visionary from one of the threads here on on MoDaCo and temp root.
2. Get Titanium Back-up (get pro version, it's very nice and not too spendy)
3. In TB, go to Back-up/Restore tab, click any app and choose "Freeze" option.
This will put app in disabled state. Yes it's there, no it's not active, not in the app drawer and not taking up any resources. I would also detach those apps from market (again, in TB) to make sure you don't update them and put them back in "enabled" state.
Hope that helps. There's also a big thread about it in dev. section.
Good luck.
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This worked like a charm on my G2....other than you MUST have the PRO version to freeze....Rebooted, uninstalled visionary, superuser, and ti backup afterwards...Apps still disabled! Yay!
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Hello:
Instead of the PM Disable command, is there another command you can type to remove/delete the package permanently?
Thanks,
jameswenn said:
Hello:
Instead of the PM Disable command, is there another command you can type to remove/delete the package permanently?
Thanks,
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Being that the phone will do a security check there is no way to delete the applications from the phone's hard drive w/o permarooting.
the T/Backup sounds like your best option.
Although the root.sh scripts are extremely easy to execute will little chance of "bricking" the device. If you should want to permaroot the phone
You can batch-freeze
To save time and effort in removing bloatware on a re-boot with Visionary, create a file (Titanium Backup Pro calls it a "label") in Titanium Backup Pro containing the apps you want to freeze.
Then, after a reboot using Visionary for temp root, you can open TB, go to "Batch" operations in Menu, scroll to and select "freeze all user & system apps" and apply the filter you created when the next screen appears.
Apparently perfectly safe because all of this is undone at the next reboot.
ecdy said:
To save time and effort in removing bloatware on a re-boot with Visionary, create a file (Titanium Backup Pro calls it a "label") in Titanium Backup Pro containing the apps you want to freeze.
Then, after a reboot using Visionary for temp root, you can open TB, go to "Batch" operations in Menu, scroll to and select "freeze all user & system apps" and apply the filter you created when the next screen appears.
Apparently perfectly safe because all of this is undone at the next reboot.
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Freeze is permanent, you don't need to re-do it after reboot.
Is there a way to remove the Sense UI with this method?
Sent from my HTC Magic using XDA App
Removing Sense
Don't know about removing Sense (I haven't used Titanium Backup to freeze specifically sense-identified programs) but you can freeze the programs the Tmo puts in the interface, like Faves, and install one of the froyo 2.2 launchers. I've done this and my 4g home screen looks just like my N1 home screen and the app drawer is as clean (almost) as the N1's also. So my 4g has the feel of my N1, with the benefit of 4g access. Wish I could get rid of the lame "genius" button though.
Would anyone know why none of the apk's would show up under backup/restore?
I'm perm. root with S=OFF and have the pro version of TB.
Thanks
smellmyfingers said:
Would anyone know why none of the apk's would show up under backup/restore?
I'm perm. root with S=OFF and have the pro version of TB.
Thanks
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When you open up TB, you need to go to press the "problems?" button below.
this will install busybox.
then you should see them under backup/restore.
Hi folks,
I want to be able to uninstall all the bloatware that my DHD came with so I guess I need to root it. However in this regard I don't need a perm root? As I don't need to change the UI etc, just remove a bunch of unecessary apps.
I've tried using the rooting guide here but as an anroid newb the instuctions are too vague for me to follow and my attempts to infer what the authors mean have resulted in failure (no brick tho! ).
So, I have visionary and supersuer both installed and I tried the temp root and perm root function in visionary (which is granted supersuer permissions from the superuser app in the process) but when I go back to "manage applications" the uninstall button for all the bloatware apps is still greyed out.
Any ideas?
EDIT: Typing "su" in terminal emulator results in "#" so that appears to be working correctly. But still no go on uninstalling the apps. I don't care about not getting updates over the air as I value having greater control over my device more. Besides, I can always flash it manually.
dccxviii said:
Hi folks,
I want to be able to uninstall all the bloatware that my DHD came with so I guess I need to root it. However in this regard I don't need a perm root? As I don't need to change the UI etc, just remove a bunch of unecessary apps.
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Hello 718 ,
I've read something about uninstall unwanted applications
in the adb description "Using ADB.pdf" and "How to install adb.pdf".
Hope it helps you, I'm in the searching and reading phase of owning
the HTC DHD (some weeks ago - and android newbee) -
it's a jungle of information here on xda-developers
WBR peschi
Use titanium backup or root explorer.
sent from my dhd
Thanks for the replies.
So far i've started using titanium backup as it seems easier to use then having to install adb shell. Although I installed that as well and start learning some basic commands.
For now, titanium seems to be the answer to my issue as it allowing me to uninstall a whole heap of useless apps. But I think in the next few days of tinkering i'm gonna come to the conclusion that I want even greater control. Which seems to indicate falshing an entirely defferent rom to HTC sense. Although the keyboard on the sense UI is second to none IMO but smoething tells me that there's a .apk file out there with that in it
So, I've rooted my Desire HD with VISIONary+ and mounted /system as r/w using that "Mount system r/w" app from market, to move some of the stock apps from the Desire HD (and to hopefully solve that Facebook for Android problem I described in another thread). I used Root Explorer to move the apps to a folder on the SD card, turned the phone off and back on, and the apps were back?
Is this because I haven't done that "S-Off" thing, does the quick boot option need to be disabled (even though I turned the phone off entirely) or something else, in order to keep the apps that I moved, from respawning in /system/app?
Thanks in advance (and sorry for borrowing your thread, OP).
I don't think i've got s-off (whatever that means lol) and I was able to uninstall the crapware using titanium backup. My process was somewhat convoluted but I guess it boiled down to 2 things. Visionary and Superuser apps.
Now I don't think my phone is completely rooted because when I go to the default "manage applications" list in the stock UI the uninstall button for the crapware system apps is still greyed out. But for when I run titanium backup, it gets granted superuser acces from the superuser app and is then able to uninstall all the bloatware.
I would like to know of a sure fire way whether my phone is completely rooted or not though. Namely because I think I want to start using completely different roms.
I temprooted using visionary+ then opened titanium back up to uninstall unwanted apps. But which are safe to remove? I want to get rid of Facebook, Friendstream and a few others but Titanium warns me they are system components and my phone may not work after uninstalling them....
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App
I got rid of all of that (twitter, myspace etc rubbish). Even some native htc ones that I know are ancilliary. You just have to use a bit of logic as to what might require what. Crap like friend stream or whatever wuold most likey rely on such apps. But since I uninstalled that too... you get the idea
I was gonna get rid of sound hound as well but it's actually kinda useful. One of the few apps I left on it from the factory.
EDIT: I've also been using titanium to backup more usefull HTC system apps so that when I do eventually move to a new rom, i can just install them later. Things like the HTC clock, office apps, calender, messaging etc are superior to stock android equivalents.
WTF...
I had to remove my sim card for something and when I reinserted it and turned on the phone all the apps I 'removed' were back as if nothing ever happened!
Did I miss something because I don't remember reading anywhere that that would happen if you rebooted your phone!
Agrrrr...I need some help >.<
If your DHD does not have S-OFF after every reboot it will restore everything you removed.
Ahh, thnaks for that. I've used the S-off radio tool to disable the security now. Hopefully those rubbish apps will stay away (tested with reboot and it seems so). However, now that i've rooted my phone and switched to S-off I am still curious as to why system apps are still unable to be uninstalled through the in-built android app manager.
Also, I attempted to use the clockworkrecovery mod to install new ROMS and so wanted to backup my current ROM install before trying new ones but the phone just goes to a black screen with a pic of a mobile phone with a red exclamation point in a triangle.
...unless of course after all this it STILL isn't rooted. In which case I think I might start looking seriously at the Nexus. *sigh*
The built-in app manager will not let you remove system apps regardless of being rooted. Install Titanium Backup from the market. This will remove it.
Download ROM Manager from the market, and "Flash Recovery" again, some users have issues with it working first time.
That did the trick! Thanks very much
One last question then, if I flash a new ROM e.g. cyanogenMOD, will that completely replace HTC sense and thus allow me to use the built in app manager to remove apps because...there won't be anymore 'system' apps?
andyharney said:
If your DHD does not have S-OFF after every reboot it will restore everything you removed.
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I have root + Radio S-Off but every restart the phone causes my default Smart Keyboard deactive. Do you have any idea about that, is it spesific for an app or a general problem?
I am asking because I did not do ENG S-Off I have done only Radio S-Off.
With S-ON every reboot will result in ANY change to the system being restored, You make system changes permanent you need S-OFF.
As for your keyboard being disabled, not sure about that. Installing & using an additional keyboard shouldn't make any system changes.
dccxviii said:
That did the trick! Thanks very much
One last question then, if I flash a new ROM e.g. cyanogenMOD, will that completely replace HTC sense and thus allow me to use the built in app manager to remove apps because...there won't be anymore 'system' apps?
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Even on CM system apps cannot be uninstalled through the Android App Manager. It's the way its designed, why would the system allow you to remove the "Android System" or "Dialer". Imagine the chaos if you uninstalled something you actually needed and Android let you do it.
You need to use 3rd Party apps (Titanium Backup) to do this, or ADB
still scared
so after rooting my HD what ARE the apps which are safe to remove?
Mat Buenaluz said:
so after rooting my HD what ARE the apps which are safe to remove?
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If you ever want to make use of ota updates (eg to improve camera performance) then none of the 'bloatware' apps are safe to remove as removing them will prevent the ota update installing.
Sent from my HTC HD so may contain typos, bugs and, if the battery lasts, pearls of....(battery 0%)
As the tittle says getting control over your DHD, so this might be the right thread, allthough might be off topic to op's post...
Anyway my last device was a N900 and that was fully rooted with no permission limits. I've learned that the rooted DHD has some limits and i've run into one. On the N900 i used the terminal for allmost anything, flashing, copying, installing, removing etc. and would like to do so here on the DHD. My problem is that i'm trying to flash the kernel/zImage through terminal emulater but get this error - failed with error: -1. -
Any help would be great
Sorry to go off topic...
You cannot flash a kernel using terminal emulator. If you want to flash manually, get android sdk and use fastboot.exe in platform-tools to flash.
1. Reboot your device while holding vol-, it will go to bootloader
2. Select fastboot in bootloader
3. In your PC, type: "fastboot.exe flash zimage c:\any_folder\zImage"
4. Type: "fastboot.exe reboot"
After that you have to remount your DHD's system to rw state: "mount -o remount,rw /dev/block/mmcblk0p25 /system", and manually push wifi module to /system/lib/modules/ using adb. If you do not do that, your wifi does not work. You need ENG S-OFF.
I'm using racht's Floyo v1.0a,and I found it have a FC issue on the newest version of market.
I deleted the vending.apk but I can't install market v.2.3.6 either manually put it back via root explorer or automatic installation(I know that is impossible,but I have to try it).
Please help if you know how to solve it(thx!)
You must also delete com.vending-1.apk in /data/app
I can't find it...
Anyway,thanks!
Wipe cache ( I mean /cache), and then use use Floyo´s update.zip via xrecovery and you should have a market.
Then delete market´s data via Titanium, uninstall it with the same app and try to install an older one.
um....I think it can't work for me,because my Titanium app also have FC iusse
Thank you anyway
this problem happen to my phone too, i wish it's fixed soon
I'd rather restore the old v1.0 :-(
Ok so I flashed glite but I can't uninstall superuser. I have superuser elite and want to use that but I cannot find a way to delete the regular version. Also, when I uninstall and reinstall it works fine but after reboot elite no longer works and it's back to the regular version then uninstall reinstall etc... so what do I do to fix this problem. I even converted elite to a system app lol which didn't work.
No one can help me with this one?
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Dont know why you have to delete the regular version as when you open elite and update it,I get a message saying on next boot will hide the su icon,I only have one su icon,which is the elite one,didnt have to manually delete anything,also from time to time I get the message that my su binary is out of date,let it update it and Im all good again,you seem to be having alot of problems at the moment.
What do you mean converted elite to a system app?
That was my experience before, now I so that and on reboot it goes back to the regular one every time! It's frustrating!
maybe you try it with titanium backup?
warp2 said:
maybe you try it with titanium backup?
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Yea it isn't in the apps list for tb or apps manager
im using the beta 3.0-4 but nothing shows in the logs anyone else having this problem
Yea tried everything you can think of, uninstalling with tb making elite a ROM app, manually deleting it from tb and by mounting rw, nothing works for me, it's hard coded to repropagate with reboot
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I installed this rom:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/axon-7/development/rom-slm-version-t3704143
(I wanted an android 7 stock rom - not MIFavor - but incredibly I couldn't find it)
after that, I tried to remove with Titanium Backup many system apps that I didn't want, like Mi Assistant, Es file explorer, Z-backup, an app with russian characters which I have no idea what it does, an app with chinese characters which I have no idea what it does, etc.), but the problem is that they keep coming back even after removing them with Titanium Backup :| this has never happened to me before, and I have no idea how to solve this.
Try this zip. Backup before flash.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HVaIpyizIBmp65snGpbUDFYkvkfW4-JG/view?usp=drivesdk
thanks for the suggestion, but it didn't work: first I tried with this method, then I installed the zip you provided, but again it didn't work.
As before, if I uninstall system apps via Titanium Backup, and then reboot the device, the apps are still there.
Ficus* said:
thanks for the suggestion, but it didn't work: first I tried with this method, then I installed the zip you provided, but again it didn't work.
As before, if I uninstall system apps via Titanium Backup, and then reboot the device, the apps are still there.
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In TWRP's terminal do
Code:
reboot disemmcwp
If that doesn't work do it from your computer with
Code:
adb reboot disemmcwp
I tried exactly as you said, but again it didn't work. I unistalled apps with titanium backup, they disappear, then I reboot and the apps are again there :'(
Apart from that the phone works perfectly (the root remains, xposed works, etc.) so I have no idea why this is happening
Oh I have a a2017g and I dont' have Magisk, if that changes anything.
just a quick update, I have already installed busybox 1.21.1, and if i try to update it to 1.27.2 with busybox app from play store, nothing happens/changes.
edit2: I even try to install the "dm-verity and forced encryption disabler zip" listed here, but again it didn't work.
Ficus* said:
I tried exactly as you said, but again it didn't work. I unistalled apps with titanium backup, they disappear, then I reboot and the apps are again there :'(
Apart from that the phone works perfectly (the root remains, xposed works, etc.) so I have no idea why this is happening
Oh I have a a2017g and I dont' have Magisk, if that changes anything.
just a quick update, I have already installed busybox 1.21.1, and if i try to update it to 1.27.2 with busybox app from play store, nothing happens/changes.
edit2: I even try to install the "dm-verity and forced encryption disabler zip" listed here, but again it didn't work.
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Try Magisk. AFAIK with Magisk you can make changes to system without actually modifying system, so it might work.
Ficus* said:
(I wanted an android 7 stock rom - not MIFavor - but incredibly I couldn't find it)
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Could you explain this? You were looking for LineageOS maybe?
To be able to delete apps you should get a computer with ADB, connect your phone, then from the computer issue "adb reboot disemmcwp". Doing this from TWRP or a terminal emulator doesn't work
Ficus* said:
I installed this rom:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/axon-7/development/rom-slm-version-t3704143
(I wanted an android 7 stock rom - not MIFavor - but incredibly I couldn't find it)
after that, I tried to remove with Titanium Backup many system apps that I didn't want, like Mi Assistant, Es file explorer, Z-backup, an app with russian characters which I have no idea what it does, an app with chinese characters which I have no idea what it does, etc.), but the problem is that they keep coming back even after removing them with Titanium Backup :| this has never happened to me before, and I have no idea how to solve this.
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Don't use Titanium to remove the apps.if you have run the above command to disable write protection, download mxplorer or any root explorer and go into the folder and delete them. For some reason Titanium doesn't delete them properly
I was having the same problem with with all the b13 roms. The b13 bootstack it the problem for me. What phone model are you using? If you are on the U model trying installing the b32 bootstack by drakenfx. That's how I solved that problem. I am not sure on the g model though.
thanks again for your help! in the end since I couldn't figure it out, I decided to factory reset everything and start from scratch with Magisk and LineageOS. With them I succesfully managed to delete system apps with titanium backup. now i have only a small issue with adblocker, but i will create a new topic as the problem is different from the one i talked about here.
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Could you explain this? You were looking for LineageOS maybe?
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yeah I wasn't really clear. I was looking for an android vanilla experience, and then add gravity box to personalize it. however i am quite happy with lineageos, so i just may stick with it. only issue is that i couldn't find dark theme for drawer/settings, but i will look into it.
Ficus* said:
thanks again for your help! in the end since I couldn't figure it out, I decided to factory reset everything and start from scratch with Magisk and LineageOS. With them I succesfully managed to delete system apps with titanium backup. now i have only a small issue with adblocker, but i will create a new topic as the problem is different from the one i talked about here.
yeah I wasn't really clear. I was looking for an android vanilla experience, and then add gravity box to personalize it. however i am quite happy with lineageos, so i just may stick with it. only issue is that i couldn't find dark theme for drawer/settings, but i will look into it.
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i think you're using the stock system, a.k.a. MiFavor. LineageOS is the vanilla android experience you wanted, that's why I mentioned it.
I'm attaching a few screenshots