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There are rumours on the the good old WWW that the next logical step by HTC will be a keyboard version of the touch HD, probably called Touch HD Pro.
Great though the screen size is on the touch HD, being a Touch Pro owner, I just cannot overlook the fact that it doen't have a keyboard, flash and TV-out.
Now if they were to Diamond--> touch Pro upgrade on the touch HD, by including the above mentioned items, then WOW, absolutely the best phone ever hands down in my eyes.
http://mobilitytoday.com/news/008996/htc_touch_hd_pro_maybe
http://stuff.tv/News/HTC-readying-Touch-HD-Pro/11074/
http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-devices/news/2008/10/22/HTC-Qwerty--Touch-HD-Pro--In-Development/p1
I am not so fond of that idea.
You better go for a UMPC then.
If they can make that work with the same thickness as the Touch HD, I'll get it. Otherwise no thanks.
Please move this discussion to another thread (rumours/wish lists/etc.)
Hi,
while I also think this is an interesting topic, I really feel that this is not really related to the Touch HD. A "Touch HD pro" or however you call it will not be the Touch HD or Blackstone. This is at least the 3rd thread that was started about such a Touch HD with a keyboard. I think all these threads should be put together and might be collected to general discussions about upcoming phones or rumours rather than being discussed within the Blackstone thread.
This is of course not meant to be offensive and is not meant to say that a Blackstone w kbrd would not make sense ... I just say that we should discuss the Blackstone here.
Eriol
none taken, i just thought this might affect potential touch HD buyers, and they are more likely to be looking in this section than any other.
the rumor is here
lol
It's not even a rumour. tazbo28 was only playing with PhotoShop and a 3D modelling program. All the sites that mention this are using his original images; there's nothing new.
It's pure fantasy!
SiliconS said:
It's not even a rumour. tazbo28 was only playing with PhotoShop and a 3D modelling program. All the sites that mention this are using his original images; there's nothing new.
It's pure fantasy!
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Agree but this is the way things start mate... with a wish, a fantasy a rumour...
And this one has spreaded all over the Net for some reason, people is asking for it and manufacturers live from the things we want, so perhaps HTC have noticed (Or they already have considered)
So let´s continue with this rumour or fantasy and let´s wait to become reality!
Nevertheless...
I would not be surprised if there would be a HD Pro...
But there are absolutley no facts to back that up.
definition of rumor from dictionary.com: a story or statement in general circulation without confirmation and certainty as to facts
This is exactly what this is, if it was substantiated, it would be a fact but its not. It is a rumor
billu said:
definition of rumor from dictionary.com: a story or statement in general circulation without confirmation and certainty as to facts
This is exactly what this is, if it was substantiated, it would be a fact but its not. It is a rumor
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So if just for fun I started a thread with vaguely realistic PhotoShopped pictures I'd made of a device with a full XGA (1024x768) screen, 104-key hardware keyboard including trackball and touchpad, inbuilt projector, 10MP SLR camera with zoom, weighing less than 100 grammes, having a skin material whose colour could be changed through the OS, and whose media player could be controlled by telepathic thought alone, you'd actually believe that there was a rumour that this would be HTC's next model in the line-up? You wouldn't dismiss this as simply a baseless fantasy and a bit of fun?
There's a world of difference between a rumour and a fantasy. Rumours are founded on some sort of reliable source, no matter how secret and unofficial the story is. Fantasy PhotoShop pictures by a random user of a forum are not good enough to start a rumour, regardless of how appealing the device might actually be to many people.
Call the HD Pro story a fantasy or a dream, for sure, but it's not a rumour. One day our dreams might come true and the fantasy will become a rumour...
PS. My device is called the HTC Tardis if you want to look it up.
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Rumours are founded on some sort of reliable source, no matter how secret and unofficial the story is.
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How about this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2793782&postcount=6
Surur
surur said:
How about this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2793782&postcount=6
Surur
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Depends who Pawel062 is and whether he/she has any connection with HTC's operations.
What irritates me is not whether the Touch HD Pro is a rumour or a fantasy, but the fact that several websites have siezed upon these fantasy pictures as though they're proof of HTC's next model and then people here are thinking they're real.
But I think I may have had too much coffee since none of it really matters and my fingers are jittery.
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So if just for fun I started a thread with vaguely realistic PhotoShopped pictures I'd made of a device with a full XGA (1024x768) screen, 104-key hardware keyboard including trackball and touchpad, inbuilt projector, 10MP SLR camera with zoom, weighing less than 100 grammes, having a skin material whose colour could be changed through the OS, and whose media player could be controlled by telepathic thought alone, you'd actually believe that there was a rumour that this would be HTC's next model in the line-up? You wouldn't dismiss this as simply a baseless fantasy and a bit of fun?
There's a world of difference between a rumour and a fantasy. Rumours are founded on some sort of reliable source, no matter how secret and unofficial the story is. Fantasy PhotoShop pictures by a random user of a forum are not good enough to start a rumour, regardless of how appealing the device might actually be to many people.
Call the HD Pro story a fantasy or a dream, for sure, but it's not a rumour. One day our dreams might come true and the fantasy will become a rumour...
PS. My device is called the HTC Tardis if you want to look it up.
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I gladly invite you to start that thread with your invented device and let´s see the results. As I pointed before manufacturers make their buissness from that customers want, and this rumour/wish/fantasy was created not only because one person, it´s because a lot of XDA users want this to become true, and I insist rumour or not all HD touch Pro belivers (Like me) are making noise, and that´s the first step to make things happen.
This: http://gizmodo.com/368310/htcs-patent-shows-new-type-of-qwerty-slider also started as a rumour...
Good day to all,
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So if just for fun I started a thread with vaguely realistic PhotoShopped pictures I'd made of a device with a full XGA (1024x768) screen, 104-key hardware keyboard including trackball and touchpad, inbuilt projector, 10MP SLR camera with zoom, weighing less than 100 grammes, having a skin material whose colour could be changed through the OS, and whose media player could be controlled by telepathic thought alone, you'd actually believe that there was a rumour that this would be HTC's next model in the line-up? You wouldn't dismiss this as simply a baseless fantasy and a bit of fun?
There's a world of difference between a rumour and a fantasy. Rumours are founded on some sort of reliable source, no matter how secret and unofficial the story is. Fantasy PhotoShop pictures by a random user of a forum are not good enough to start a rumour, regardless of how appealing the device might actually be to many people.
Call the HD Pro story a fantasy or a dream, for sure, but it's not a rumour. One day our dreams might come true and the fantasy will become a rumour...
PS. My device is called the HTC Tardis if you want to look it up.
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If you were to start this thread, it will be an isolated opinion and there are millions of those on the net. I dont believe there is anything contradictory between the definition and this story. I understand that these pictures are just mock ups and computer generated, and might end up being wishful thinking in the end but I would class the story as being in general circulation. This is probably a case of extrapolating HTCs recent updates to various product lines and coming up with a logical next step for the touch HD.
A rumour started by a reliable source might mean more people believe it, but i dont believe the reliability or otherwise of the source has a bearing on whether it is a rumour or not, its a case of whether it is in general circulation. You cant always verify the reliability of the source in order to decide whether to catagorise it as a rumour or not.
Anyway, I for one am fantasising/dreaming that it comes true.
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If you were to start this thread, it will be an isolated opinion and there are millions of those on the net. I dont believe there is anything contradictory between the definition and this story. I understand that these pictures are just mock ups and computer generated, and might end up being wishful thinking in the end but I would class the story as being in general circulation. This is probably a case of extrapolating HTCs recent updates to various product lines and coming up with a logical next step for the touch HD.
A rumour started by a reliable source might mean more people believe it, but i dont believe the reliability or otherwise of the source has a bearing on whether it is a rumour or not, its a case of whether it is in general circulation. You cant always verify the reliability of the source in order to decide whether to catagorise it as a rumour or not.
Anyway, I for one am fantasising/dreaming that it comes true.
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Completly agree mate!
Just want to add an important point here:
XDA-Devs has a high reputation and is respected around the net, so this not means that all the information generated here will be acurate, but this is a point to add to our discusion.
Cheers,
Rumor? Hype? Fantasy? Pleeding? Asking for the impossible?...etc.
Jeez, I thought I just stepped into a ****ing Apple fanboy forum! LOL
Seriously, whether it's HTC or another ODM that makes doesn't matter. It'll come eventually when there's enough technological advance to make it a reality.
It it was made right now, it would've been nearly as thick as Touch Pro.
Meanwhile I'm still trying to get over how HTC made the X1 so thin when compared to Touch Pro and G900.
thats another thing, I dont know why people think touch pro is so thick, it is actually less thick than the nokia n95 and no one complains about its thickness.
Well all I can say is wow. I was expecting my X10 today but ill have to wait until Monday and now after reading the "wish list" thread im not to sure I will even keep it. To all you users out there is this device even worth the money? There are a lot of gripes going on there and I have to say that the negativity surrounding the Timescape and Mediascape apps are a real downer for me. Those are big reasons for me wanting the phone. I guess im looking for some positive feedback here from current owners.
Any thing??
You need to form your own opinion, personally I am more than happy with my X10 but there are a few, niggling issues which could be cleaned up quite simply (and in time I am sure they will be...)
I have friends with the Nexus ONE and HTC phones and they are jealous of my X10, the X10 has issues, but so do the other phones and within my group of friends we all agree that the X10 looks the best, performs the fastest and smoothest. Andriod as an OS still has a little way to go, but it is getting there...
Even with all my concerns, I have no regret in buying the X10, the hardware is excellent, it is beautiful to hold... The software lets it down a bit compaired to the iPhone but you do learn to live with it and I am sure it will improve.
First of all, you should note that only a very small percentage of users of most any product ever bother to post to a forum, and of those the vast majority tend to be the more vocal types in regards to comments, usually for the worse (frankly if you love your device and you're not a techy, you're not likely to bother singing praise all over the internet). I've been part of enought forums over my life to know this (and yes, I admit to being a vocal complainer).
With that said, I think the X10 is a fabulous piece of hardware (as I mentioned in my Wish List posting). Overall, I'm very happy with my choice. But that's not to say the product is perfect. You'll find a fair share of complaints over any other smartphone.
Software issues can always be easily managed through updates by the manufacturer or through using 3rd party apps. I know Timescape and Mediascape are key selling points of the X10 from SE's standpoint, but I think they've been neglecting how good the hardware is in doing that. Mediascape is the better of the two apps from my point of view, but that's not to say that Timescape can't be a great app to some people or to me even with some tweaking.
In the end, it'll come down to your own judgement. I recommend giving it some time to try it out and let the battery settle in. It's good to read and research a purchase before making one (I always do extensively), but it's very easy to get caught up in the wave of emotion from others and lose your own personal objectivity.
NEVER look in a board if u want to buy a piece of hardware!!
1. There are 100 people with 100 different opinions. U will get more confused the more you read
2. In an online board there are always more negative threads about a product than positive ones. Ask yourself have you ever started a thread about a camera that actually does photos? Or an mp3 player that PLAYS music? A TV that lets u WATCH TV? No? So the same here.
All i can say is that the x10 I a great device. A friend of mine has bought the HTC Desire but in my opinion the x10 is much better. When the first fixes are rolled out and the android 2.1 update is available this phone ist a kick ass device!
Well its my personality to become a little obsessed about devices, or whatever im into at the time. I would consider myself a techy, although im relatively new to android, which is why i pose the question. I have spent the last couple of weeks learning everything there is to know about this device so that when I get it I know exactly what to do with it.......sequentially. Little OCD if you get me. So when I join a site like this, made up of power users and devs and I hear them griping about issues it gets me a little paranoid.
Thanks for the reply's and I guess ill have to wait and give it a real go. Much appreciation.
Hi - It's my first Android too.. I've a few friends with iPhones and my Wife has a HTC legend (which is a great bit of kit too!).. but I wouldn't swap my X10 for either of them.. now I've got to grips with the battery life issue I'm moving on to other things.. like saltorio says.. the phones not perfect.. Timescape doesn't really float my boat particularly.. I'm getting to grips with Mediascape now and it's pretty good (other than the fact you have to create your playlists on MediaGo on your PC - unless you can dig out the base Android music player which is hidden on your phone and create them in there..)
The operation of the phone is quick and smooth and the camera is pretty good too. The photo light is a bit limited in it's usefulness.
Apart from anything else.. the handset is gorgeous and makes your friends jealous!
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Well all I can say is wow. I was expecting my X10 today but ill have to wait until Monday and now after reading the "wish list" thread im not to sure I will even keep it. To all you users out there is this device even worth the money? There are a lot of gripes going on there and I have to say that the negativity surrounding the Timescape and Mediascape apps are a real downer for me. Those are big reasons for me wanting the phone. I guess im looking for some positive feedback here from current owners.
Any thing??
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As you can see in the wish list topic, I have several complaints and wishes. But at the same time, this is probably the best phone I ever had, and definitely the best smartphone.
I don't know if the device is worth the money it costs*. What I know, is that there's not a globally better smartphone on the market. I used a Windows Mobile device before the X10, and at work I use massively the iPhone. Android is the junction point between Windows Mobile and the iPhone, the best of both worlds. So, go on with Android. Is X10 the best Android on the market? If you can live without multitouch (and I bet you can!) this is definitely the best Android on the market. If I would lose or broke my X10, I would immediately buy another one.
* Actually, I'm pretty sure that there isn't any electronic device that is worth the money it costs.
personally i think its a very good device. Most of the complaints i see in my opinion are babyish like not getting a device because of multitouch or because it has 1.6, and touch screen response which works perfectly fine on my device ( what do they want? to just think and the device responds? come on now).
Just play with it for a while and make your own opinion based on your needs. Most of these forums have alot of negativity from people that dont make phones.
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I have a long list on my X10 wishlist and many complaints about it too but I still love X10 more than Nexus One or any other touch screen phone I ever used. I had iPhone 3GS for over 6-months too .
Top 4 reason to get X10
1. Sexy looks
2. Beautiful screen
3. very nice UI theme (Blue)
4. Adroid
If you go to the Nexus One or Desire forums, you'll find plenty of issues with those phones as well. There's no such thing as a perfect phone, unfortunately. I've had my X10 for a few days now, and the choice between it and the Desire wasn't easy, but I won't be looking back because it is simply a gorgeous, excellent phone that is not perfect, but certainly good enough and I'm sure it'll only get better with each update Sony Ericsson puts out.
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Well all I can say is wow. I was expecting my X10 today but ill have to wait until Monday and now after reading the "wish list" thread im not to sure I will even keep it. To all you users out there is this device even worth the money? There are a lot of gripes going on there and I have to say that the negativity surrounding the Timescape and Mediascape apps are a real downer for me. Those are big reasons for me wanting the phone. I guess im looking for some positive feedback here from current owners.
Any thing??
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Sorry I forgot to outline that i absolutely love my phone but its my nature to want more. My battery is getting a bashing because i can't put it down, if i'm not listening to music i'm taking photo's, recording videos 50 mins long, checking facebook and tweeter or simply touching it.
Don't be fooled I've not been as happy with an upgrade for 6 years.
Well I appreciate all the feedback. Feeling much better about it now. I can't wait to get my hands on it!! I guess I let myself get carried away with my obsessions some times and ive basically been judging the phone before I even got it. But you must admit that in the short time since its release there is a absolute ton of info on it and most of it is people complaining about this or that. Ive gotten burned by Rogers with their return policy in the past and got stuck with a product that I wasnt' really happy with so im approaching this with caution.
Personally I can live with the lack of MT and considering all the positives that have been presented here im really looking forward to getting started.
Thanks again
The thread really shouldn't have been closed just because he was bashing the X10.
It was funny.
Plus, let's be honest, the X10 does have a problem with the in call volume ... let's not all be fanboys here.
I'm more or less happy with the X10 and he's not. We shouldn't really silence opposing views should we?
Maybe his post wasn't productive but it was funny. For all of the doom and gloom around here with the lack of 2.1/2.2, (not that I care), we should have some funny moments
Going to an X10 forum and telling owners not to buy one is amusing.
I tried to use as much punctuation as possible.
Can we close this thread too.
What make anyone have the right to tell other buy or not..
Beside there is always better stuff coming and nothing is perfect.
These guys are laughable because i will be holding a 3d phone in 5 months and a lightsaber in 2 years with call features.
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Funny? honestly? Not trying to flame or anything but that guy was just trolling. Once is more than enough. I do admit that I'm an SE fanboy but I admit it's flaws as well, and yes, I'm not happy with it either. But this dude is just annoying and I think closing the thread is best for everyone. This thread should be closed too.
let me tell u people that i myself a fan of sony and i trusted sony a lot.
I already used Z600 k750 P900 P910 (Xperia X1 + Xperia X10+aino ) at present
but people are taking me wrong ok fine no probs when people tell other people to buy a phone that is justified fine i understood thanks
Before this is close, i like to ask.
Are you a 5 years old or never taken a proper education?
Do you understand demand and supply? Do you understand cost effective?
If you don't like the phone and keep it zip. Sony is a big corporation that make billions every year in revenue and they understand demand and supply and their own cost better than you.
Going around complainning about these "fault" is childish.
Do you think they would release things out here without testing or experiement? they kept in-call volume as it is because it is "good enough".
Unlike you, i am sure everyone else think it is fine because we all kept our ear healthy. We don't listen to MP3 with a headset banging our heads for excessive amount of hours on MAX volumne.
You have hearing problems, not us (well some of us have it too). I can hear clearly what other end say, i do admit under a noisy circumstance i can't hear anything but that's what every phone is.
Now you complain about lack of MT. The lack of MT is because JAPANESE doesn't see multi-touch a BIG DEAL. If you go to the japan market, you can limit to how many device have multi-touch. The tradition handphones and even PDA only use 1 fingers. MULTI-TOUCH is for GAMING and nothing ELSE. Sony have PSP for sell if you want games, why would they ruin their OWN division of gaming to make it Iphone #2. It is clearly enough to see why they don't add MT (unless you are really dumb because it is sole reason you never see a psphone).
What else you want to complain? Android 1.6? cute the people some slacks. they want their android as unique as possible. You should compare your 1.6 android on x10 to a HTC desire running android 1.6 for real before you come here.
And for one, i am buying xperia for it uniqueness, don't ruin my life with your needs of an Iphone 4 clone or a HTC evo clone. Xperia should be what it is and be unique. I love android 1.6 as it is with mediascape and timescape (i use it too). I wouldn't mind 720 HD recording and "playable flash" as i can already watch flash media on my x10 right now as we speak.
Seriously, if you are a truely SE fan boy, you should buy this phone for it uniqueness, not a CLONE of apple or GOOGLe.
let us see this
please tell me if i only has this hearing problem or you have got some extra powerfull ears ( http://talk.sonyericsson.com/message/8188;jsessionid=927D8C898774F8C9F4E8B1AACFA14ADC.node0#8188 )
i closed the threads because he was trolling.
i am a business management student...so i thought of sharing my perspective over how Sony Ericsson is playing the smartphone game...
by exagerrating a lot before the product launch ...and after the launch..giving small doses of updates so customers dont change phone in the hope of getting new features.
think of it..
they build great hype for a product months before the launch by strong advertising (probably spending more on ads than R&D itself) , promising a revolutionary interface with ground breaking custom interfaces....X panels for X1 (remember?) and timescape/mediascape (biggest garbage) for X10 ..both over-ambitious
just so they can differentiate from other companies..
ya they have great product design.. which initially attracts impulse buyers...they build anticipation...so we cant wait to get our hands on their phone!
and then they finally launch the product which will NEVER have the latest updates because their entire focus was on marketing the product i.e bringing it to market before competition and capturing market share.
they never really focussed on industry shaking R&D like Apple..c'mon without Apple, touchscreen was a dead market.
and without Android...Apple had a monopoly.
This is revolution....not timescape or mediascape..which are my least favourite apps...battery sucking with extremely slow response rates.
then they ll keep launching small small updates over couple of months...more like over a year...adding little features..so we dont change brand loyalty....giving the wounded customers a faint vision of hope...
finally they release a small update and the entire community goes 'wow' with excitement...like a virgin getting his first blowjob.
by that time..the phone has suffered scratches, has started showing signs of wear..which means very low re-sale value.
and meanwhile announcement for newer model is made...slimmer, sexier with more bugs which will be fixed via update over the next upcoming year.
good strategy for a short-term profit making....but they are losing brand loyalty.
i am not gonna buy SE Xperia Arc...ya its the sexiest phone on the market.
but its like a hot model u bang and can never have a healthy relationship with...coz she is dumb and full of flaws on the inside...such as daddy issues etc.
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its like they keep us jumping over small small updates like a cat does to a string which the master will never let it catch.
but its like a hot model u bang and can never have a healthy relationship with...coz she is dumb and full of flaws on the inside...such as daddy issues etc.
epic comment
well it's true and from your perspective which one is better?
i know getting a big income is the main focus of any company but hey customers loyalty also counts. it's something i hate from sony in general, they keep pushing new tech every year and let the customer to feel outdated
Epic thread.
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Couldn't have said it better myself, spot on mate!
Swyped from my ZDZ Froyo X10i
bang on, while i am happy with my x10 as it was my first droid comming from a long **** list of wm devices, i am also not going to be sticking with se, already contemplating the droid 2 global, yes se makes sexy phones but, im looking for something a little more with my next device.
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Funny thread
so what do you think about HTC's strategy with Desire ( Desire/HD/Z )
Just because they released a better handset after a year of the previous handset's release it doesn't mean that they do not care about brand loyalty...
so what? you want them to stick with the X10 for two years while other competitors advance with technology????
believe it or not, many will buy the ARC, even more that who bought the X10...
Next time, go buy an HTC or Motorola
and by the way, Samsung is locking their bootloader so do not buy a Samsung android so you won't end up whining like many here about unlocking it, unless you like samsung
but despite all that, I would like to thank you for the effort made by you to explain what many of us are not aware of.. it's a good practice for your uni
good luck mate with your studies
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i am a business management student...so i thought of sharing my perspective over how Sony Ericsson is playing the smartphone game...
by exagerrating a lot before the product launch ...and after the launch..giving small doses of updates so customers dont change phone in the hope of getting new features.
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Well, I wish you luck with the business management, since your management of the English language makes me want to punch babies in the stomach.
Also, replace "Sony Ericsson" with every technology company ever and you have a point.
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Well, I wish you luck with the business management, since your management of the English language makes me want to punch babies in the stomach.
Also, replace "Sony Ericsson" with every technology company ever and you have a point.
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Grammar and syntax of the English language is not the point of XDA in MHO...
Very well written, kudos to you Nocturnal310...
@Nocturnal310:
Of course you're right. But as someone said before, you could say this about any company producing technical stuff and you would be right as well. (I expect some very negative comments on what I'm about to say...). I understand your point, but I just don't think that SE is somehow different in their approach from any other company producing consumer goods (is that right? stuff which are bought in great numbers just to be replaced by newer models...you know, we have to watch out for our English, right iead1? ). Thats quite important because we just can't expect infinite support for our product, because sooner or later (the former is more probable) it will get replaced with brand new model with brand new stuff inside making it lot more attractive. The only thing we can complain about is, that the support may have last longer... thats true. But despite all of that, I'm still not changing the brand loyalty as I just dont know what else should I buy next time. I dont like Apple and their iStuff, also don't like HTCs because of how they look. Samsung is an option, but if I should choose between Samsung and SE just by looking at the phones, SE would definitely win (and with Samsung locking their bootloaders as well, I wouldn't help myself much by buying it). You may call me a hardcore fan of SE who doesn't think about what he's buying, but thats not me. I just think that X10 was an unfortunate mistake (which I personally still love!) of SE and I really hope they will learn from it for the reasons mentioned above.
Thats my opinion and I do not force anyone to share it, but I wanted to say it, because I just don't uderstand all that poeople saying how betrayed they feel by SE.
i think SE`s problem is that they don`t really know what they do,at least so far.
they use UIQ for a while then they leave it.
they use win mo,but after x1 and x2 they desided to go for android.
but now Android is very good platform and they should find their way.i hope so.
their main mistake is that they don`t care about customers and the weak points of their products.
I must add my mustard ...
There was a time long ago, Sony Ericsson created really nice phones with a solid build quality. My x10 is 3 weeks old and is making crazy noises when twisted a bit. The whole frame is not stiff enough.
If I saw it right on arc video presentations at youtube, the crappy timescape is now a widget and it is still choppy. This uggly blue is still there. Why blue? SE colors are Green and Orange. What a bunch of stupid designers ... I think w'll have a lot of alternatives out there with lesser crappy UI-Mods.
Well, I agree with most of your points, but let's remember: they're not ceasing support, they're launching a new model and planningto lock x10 customers in outdated Android. Motorola intended to do that too, but customers did such a big buzz that they changed their minds. The bull**** about low performance on Android 2.2 is already discarded, we can see that on all the unofficially built ROMs available at xda-forums. I risk to say that even Google has his part on this entire drama. Obviously, Sony Ericsson and their UXP loaded with much more processing hunger than x10 can support is the one we should blame, because we chose to buy SE, not Google devices (which are HTC, actually ). The removal of MediaScape from Arc tells us that they know where the problem is. Let's hope they fix this "problem" on x10 too.
I truly hope no one takes my comments personally, since I'm just expressing my opinion as a SE consumer. I still like them, but not how they use my money.
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Apple Iphone 3G is still getting latest updates - same day as the latest iPhone 4, not ALL the features because it's got old hardware but there aware of that.
SE should be aware of it to, yes x10 can run 2.1 2.2, 2.3 ect so they should. There opinion is why there not updating. (why not the majority, the users decide)
Why can't we get hardware based updates? HTC magic/hero got tons of updates..
Yes new models will come out, but it's the same OS to update, not that much off a difference, our devs do there work in spare time and takes 2-3 weeks to come up with ASOP OS, (which is what i prefer anyway). Imagine an entire DEV team full time? yes it takes more time for testing ect but still.....
At least SE have reconized they F'd up. that's the first step!
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At least SE have reconized they F'd up. that's the first step!
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They say a lot. Saying and doing are not the same.
moacyrfilho said:
The removal of MediaScape from Arc tells us that they know where the problem is. Let's hope they fix this "problem" on x10 too.
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I think they removed the mediascape app because it was so hard to new people to find the music player and photo gallery.
just think about it:
you have a new phone, and you would like to play some music, you first go to the music player but you can't find it because there is no music icon on the menu
Grab a samsung phone and try to play some music, the player is called "Music", the video player is "Videos" and the gallery is "Gallery"
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Apple Iphone 3G is still getting latest updates - same day as the latest iPhone 4, not ALL the features because it's got old hardware but there aware of that.
SE should be aware of it to, yes x10 can run 2.1 2.2, 2.3 ect so they should. There opinion is why there not updating. (why not the majority, the users decide)
Why can't we get hardware based updates? HTC magic/hero got tons of updates..
Yes new models will come out, but it's the same OS to update, not that much off a difference, our devs do there work in spare time and takes 2-3 weeks to come up with ASOP OS, (which is what i prefer anyway). Imagine an entire DEV team full time? yes it takes more time for testing ect but still.....
At least SE have reconized they F'd up. that's the first step!
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You are comparing with 2 companies with different calibers.
Apple - every designer/ad agency/design house/design school in this world purchase their 'godly' machines for work purposes. And these macs don't come cheap, mind you. With that amount of revenue, they can afford to create an iPhone, using their 'lagless' (yeah, right) macintosh reputations to breed a colony of iZombies to support their cause.
With the iZombies having the need to own a iAmagodlyproduct, with such supporters pumping money into their pockets, they can afford to offset any losses by being nice to
Update old iPhones even if new models are out, cos they know iZombies are already impressed with them playing the nice card and that they are confident that with their good reputation and a better new phone out, A majority of iZombies who have too much money to spare will still buy it. They are just giving an aww-I understand-you-can't-afford-a-new-phone-yet-so-I-will-update-you-periodically-so-that-you-will-come-back-to-me-when-you-have-money message to the poorer parties.
Now for Sony Ericsson (or just insert any other brand names). Let me ask you. Though they are an established brand, but let me ask you, how many people will own 1 of those expensive TVs or VAIOS? Comparing with Apple, no competition.
They don't have that much extra revenue to play nice. They can only strategize and try to earn as such as possible before their products become obsolete.
It's just like people like Donald Trump, who has so much money to play with, he can just give away to some random person on the street if he wants to. But if you try doing up a business yourself, would you give away your money to charity organizations, knowing that you cannot afford to spend the money that way? Most probably not. Unless you don't mind closing down your business due to losses.
All these threads are getting sooooooo repetitive!!! There should be one big sticky for anyone who wants to ***** and complain in any way shape and form about SE. That way this form isn't flooded with every thread turning into a SE bashing thread. It really is getting tiring logging on to see what's new and the first 50 threads are people *****in about SE.
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Lonelee - agree with much of what you say.. but it is also true that there are many many many people who go back time and time again to buy the next apple product BECAUSE they know that Apple will not leave the OS lagging behind on the old device when a new one comes out.. it's spectacularly good brand loyalty. SE (and many other) are taking a very short term view, and a missing a great opportunity to get us all on the hook for the next product..
In the UK for example, many phones bought on contract are free with a 2 yr contract tie in.. so if I know that they will look after me for 2 years, then I'll go back for more.. my contract's not due until Feb 2012.. so I'm eagerly awaiting to see their behaviour over the next 12 months!
well I m back on XDA after exiting from blackberry platform...blackberry provided me a stable messaging device for a while but as needs changed, it was very poor for browsing and getting work with attachments done.
i was at a party few weeks ago and my friend took out his Xperia Z claiming this is the best camera phone.
to his disappointment, it was the darkest blurriest pic i have seen whereas my lumia 920 took a pic with DSLR-like clarity and image characteristics.
i am not sure how much sony has improved but seems like they are still a market follower and using marketing dollars to brag about their phones that do not perform as advertised.
after having wasted my student savings on 2 of their phones, I regret and wish I had bought a better phone for my first android experience.
product lifecycle
Hi,
I am not sure if I should blame any company for moving to newer (and maybe better) products. In the android phone market we have the nearly unique situation to be able to get our hands and minds at the software which is driving the product, at least partly.
This is quite different from cars or coffeemakers.
What I would like to from Sony is that when they decide to abandon a product (eg X10), they open up the sources of drivers etc, so that interested people can maintain their products for themselves.
I can understand that they wont open up the sources for current products.
A.
Sony Ericsson will let you unlock the bootloader on new Xperia Android phones -- subject to conditions:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/29/sony-ericsson-will-let-you-unlock-bootloader-on-new-xperia-andro/
Unlocking the boot loader in the new Xperia™ smartphones:
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/devel...e-boot-loader-in-the-new-xperia™-smartphones/
Any news from Motorola on their promise to allow the dev community to modify their new phones or is their word as good as dirt once again?
i am buying the new Xperia play. i need that phone in my life for gaming. i am also very intrested in the arc. its sexy as hell with a bravia engine for the screen. i am impressed
i am really very impressed by this attitude. bravo to them. i am so excited
all i can say is **** you Moto. learn from the smart company that cares about its customers and care about the hardcore people.
once the xperia play is out. i am buying " this coming week i assume "
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you are right. he posted it in the wrong forum. but i think he posted it here for a reason. we are pissed. and Sony is doing it right. if that company which is bigger than motorolla, can understand, why moto cant ?
here's the part that i don't get. Yes it's annoying that moto is so locked down, but it's not like it was any surprise to anyone. They have a history of it, a well known history. They've been working on the droid X since it came out, with about no success, and yet everyone that bought the atrix is screaming about how it should be broken. My question is, if you really wanted a hackable phone, why did you choose this one? You could have gone with something else, even if that meant waiting for other phones to come to AT&T. i believe at&t is launching something like 22+ phones this year?
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here's the part that i don't get. Yes it's annoying that moto is so locked down, but it's not like it was any surprise to anyone. They have a history of it, a well known history. They've been working on the droid X since it came out, with about no success, and yet everyone that bought the atrix is screaming about how it should be broken. My question is, if you really wanted a hackable phone, why did you choose this one? You could have gone with something else, even if that meant waiting for other phones to come to AT&T. i believe at&t is launching something like 22+ phones this year?
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I think that some people bought the phone because Motorola said that they would provide a solution that allowed developers to access the phone (these people are the "Good Faith" purchasers). I believe that Motorola said it first on their YouTube account (after the Motorola employee responsible for replying to comments there said basically what you said above but with fewer words and in a rather rude tone) and then again on their support forums where they said that they hoped to have a solution in place before the 30-day AT&T return policy expired. Motorola may also have said something similar on their Facebook page but I'm not sure.
Other people bought the phone because they didn't understand that Motorola's encrypted bootloaders have never been broken. They are the ones that say stuff like "everything's hackable", which may actually be true but is meaningless in reality unless you also include a timeframe and I don't think that most people want to wait ten trillion years for a brute force crack of a bootloader.
I, on the other hand, decided to wait and see what Motorola would do before making a purchase and so far it's not looking good but I am still hopeful.
ll_l_x_l_ll said:
i am buying the new Xperia play. i need that phone in my life for gaming. i am also very intrested in the arc. its sexy as hell with a bravia engine for the screen. i am impressed
i am really very impressed by this attitude. bravo to them. i am so excited
all i can say is **** you Moto. learn from the smart company that cares about its customers and care about the hardcore people.
once the xperia play is out. i am buying " this coming week i assume "
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Have you read the engadget review? Us recommend looking through that before making any decisions regarding the Play..
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I think that some people bought the phone because Motorola said that they would provide a solution that allowed developers to access the phone (these people are the "Good Faith" purchasers). I believe that Motorola said it first on their YouTube account (after the Motorola employee responsible for replying to comments there said basically what you said above but with fewer words and in a rather rude tone) and then again on their support forums where they said that they hoped to have a solution in place before the 30-day AT&T return policy expired. Motorola may also have said something similar on their Facebook page but I'm not sure.
Other people bought the phone because they didn't understand that Motorola's encrypted bootloaders have never been broken. They are the ones that say stuff like "everything's hackable", which may actually be true but is meaningless in reality unless you also include a timeframe and I don't think that most people want to wait ten trillion years for a brute force crack of a bootloader.
I, on the other hand, decided to wait and see what Motorola would do before making a purchase and so far it's not looking good but I am still hopeful.
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I guess I should add another group of people: Those who didn't understand that getting root was not the same as cracking the bootloader but heard that devs had root even before the phone was released.
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I guess I should add another group of people: Those who didn't understand that getting root was not the same as cracking the bootloader but heard that devs had root even before the phone was released.
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researching a subject before purchasing is something everyone should learn......
you wouldn't go out and just buy the first car you find, you'd find the one that matches your needs the best.
If you have not already signed the petition and you feel it is worth it, please do so.
http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
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And now the mods have moved it.
I think that some people bought the phone because Motorola said that they would provide a solution that allowed developers to access the phone (these people are the "Good Faith" purchasers). I believe that Motorola said it first on their YouTube account (after the Motorola employee responsible for replying to comments there said basically what you said above but with fewer words and in a rather rude tone) and then again on their support forums where they said that they hoped to have a solution in place before the 30-day AT&T return policy expired. Motorola may also have said something similar on their Facebook page but I'm not sure.
Other people bought the phone because they didn't understand that Motorola's encrypted bootloaders have never been broken. They are the ones that say stuff like "everything's hackable", which may actually be true but is meaningless in reality unless you also include a timeframe and I don't think that most people want to wait ten trillion years for a brute force crack of a bootloader.
I, on the other hand, decided to wait and see what Motorola would do before making a purchase and so far it's not looking good but I am still hopeful.
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this . exactly this. when Moto said they will give some access to devs. i thought they are going the HTC way and not Sony way.
now HTC went Moto Way and Sony went the HTC way.
i mean, how stupid can these companies be ? seriously ? sony released the Xperia X10. a beauitiful device and early in UK. people didnt buy it because it was locked. Sony learned from their mistake. new phones? open for you to play with.
HTC ? thery were doing fine. alot of sales. nice devices. they saw Sony failing because of their locked ****. they saw Motorolla devices are not selling very high after they locked them down " thus, sales of new the devices is much less than the droid 1 " as far as i know " i dont have data "
how hard is it to understand when a phone has no community, its a DOA phone ?
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i did. my only concern is about the screen brightness, from the videos i have seen its fine. i know its not a powerful device like tegra 2. but i am in for the gaming since i am gamer " speaking of which. i know its OT but how is the 3DS ? pass till NGP ?"
i think PS emulator and N64/SNES/GEn Emulators will be amazing on this phone and i will be finally able to have all the old classics on one system + whatever new games comes out will be fine as well.
looking at tegra zone specific games, i dont have much hope to get alot of games on it. and that difference in the games isnt even big at all.
plus the phone looks sexy as hell with its curves. and the screen is really pretty. i know its an LCD but for some reason sony screens look much better than a normal LCD screen, " and if the xperia play is SLCD, then i am happy panda "
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yes. the review said all the goodness could be blocked or overridden by carrier demands/requests.
all hype, no go!
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ll_l_x_l_ll said:
i did. my only concern is about the screen brightness, from the videos i have seen its fine. i know its not a powerful device like tegra 2. but i am in for the gaming since i am gamer " speaking of which. i know its OT but how is the 3DS ? pass till NGP ?"
i think PS emulator and N64/SNES/GEn Emulators will be amazing on this phone and i will be finally able to have all the old classics on one system + whatever new games comes out will be fine as well.
looking at tegra zone specific games, i dont have much hope to get alot of games on it. and that difference in the games isnt even big at all.
plus the phone looks sexy as hell with its curves. and the screen is really pretty. i know its an LCD but for some reason sony screens look much better than a normal LCD screen, " and if the xperia play is SLCD, then i am happy panda "
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I'd wait for the NGP, mostly because of a personal distaste for the screen tech of the 3DS.
As for the Play, I'd be concerned about a lot more than just the dim display. Battery life, an outdated processor, and RAM specs that aren't even really in line with last-gen tech all make it seem like one would be better off buying a more future-ready phone that's compatible with the Android Playstation games. Especially if bought on contract -- in 2 years the Play will be 4 years outdated. I was really looking forward to a solid gaming phone, but this just doesn't seem to be it. Now by no means am I saying the Atrix is the better gaming alternative...only that the Play has some seemingly unsurpassable issues that dedicated gaming controls can't make up for. Then again...until the phone actually comes out, who knows?
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I'd wait for the NGP, mostly because of a personal distaste for the screen tech of the 3DS.
As for the Play, I'd be concerned about a lot more than just the dim display. Battery life, an outdated processor, and RAM specs that aren't even really in line with last-gen tech all make it seem like one would be better off buying a more future-ready phone that's compatible with the Android Playstation games. Especially if bought on contract -- in 2 years the Play will be 4 years outdated. I was really looking forward to a solid gaming phone, but this just doesn't seem to be it. Now by no means am I saying the Atrix is the better gaming alternative...only that the Play has some seemingly unsurpassable issues that dedicated gaming controls can't make up for. Then again...until the phone actually comes out, who knows?
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the last thing i care about is ram. atrix had 1 gig ram and only 170 was free for me only most of the time. as long as its running efficient, then i could care less.
the gpu is not out dated. its same as desire hd. decent. in line with the galaxy S and nexus S. not top of the line tho like the atrix i admit.
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the last thing i care about is ram. atrix had 1 gig ram and only 170 was free for me only most of the time. as long as its running efficient, then i could care less.
the gpu is not out dated. its same as desire hd. decent. in line with the galaxy S and nexus S. not top of the line tho like the atrix i admit.
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lol galaxy s is in line with tegra desire nor where near
Now that Sony Ericsson has taken a leap forward which really is a surprise considering that they have taken a tough stance on unlocking anything. This would put more pressure to Motorola if they need to get a bigger piece of the pie. For sure Motorola is surprised that Sony Ericsson took a different path.
After all, it does make sense that if you have a great piece of hardware and you let the community take a hold of it, word will spread and more consumers will take a note and purchase it.
Guaranteed that ATnT is probably disappointed with some consumers returning their Atrix. I also doubt Bell Canada is breaking open the champagne here when across the store there are more ppl lining up for the iPAD2 than for the Atrix.
The ball is in Motorola's court. Time for them to make a move and less replying on facebook.