i just came to the vibrant from a nexus and i was used to the fast hspa internet speed on my phone i was wondering if there is any way to get that on the vibrant? i already did the lag fix got a 2219 quadrant score way faster than the nexus just wish the internet was a little faster... any help would be appreciated
Last I heard, there were no phones released for TMobile that could use HSPA+, including the Nexus One. HSPA, yes, but not "+". The Vibrant and the Nexus should be capable of about the same 3G speed, but that is going to vary significantly based on usage in your cell and on the internet...
This has obsolutely NOTHING to do with development.
But to answer your question: both the nexus and vibrant support HSPA, so you should see the same speeds. I came from a nexus one as well, and have seen the same speeds. T-Mo finally announced their first HSPA+ phone today, the G2.
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Last I heard, there were no phones released for TMobile that could use HSPA+, including the Nexus One. HSPA, yes, but not "+". The Vibrant and the Nexus should be capable of about the same 3G speed, but that is going to vary significantly based on usage in your cell and on the internet...
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i had hspa on my nexus and i also have it on my wifes hd2 both phones were rooted with custom roms... idk if thats what makes it run on hspa
and yea your right i meant hspa not hspa+
I've hit 4.78 mbps down/.78 up on a 3 bar connection on my Vibrant. Good enough for me.
I've moved this thread to the general section.
I get an avg of around 3.9 mbps speed on speedtest.net on the phone, and I have gotten 6.9 mbps using speedtest tethered to a computer running speedtest.net though the browser on the computer.
Are you referring to the H icon in the notification bar? That's just a custom mod for the rom, the stock Vibrant rom does not display H when connected to hsdpa (even though it is).
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While I know similar stuff has been posted many times, I just have a question. When I had a Palm Pre and using homebrew I remember this unthrottle patch that basically made your Pre go faster than the horrendous 64kilobytes a sec. So does anyone know if the 4G is being throttled? My pre would get almost 2mbps using speedtest while my evo gets .3mbps. Now while using Pdanet I get .85mbps at the most. I haven't downloaded anything but my Pre at the fastest was downloading files at almost 300kilobytes a second. Thanks for any help
My best 3g test on my EVO was 1.8mb down and 566kb up.
You honestly can't really get a "consistant" speed out of 3g. 3g works in bursts, and when you wifi tether or tether in general you lose speed, for the most accurate speeds run a speed test on the phone via the market apps. Also the more people on a 3g network the crappier it is, CDMA also has slower 3g speeds since voice and data are on the same band. 4g is being throttled to 6mbps at the moment because sprint doesn't want to overload the network until its fully tested under heavy end user use. (maybe AT&T shoulda done this becasue their 3g network is crashing and burning horribly).
Thanks. I never thought of looking in the market for speedtest apps.
best here in NJ was 2.2 down about 800 up
I've never seen my EVO pass 1.2 - my Touch Pro 2 consistently hits 2+
Well the fastest I've seen was 310kb/s down 109kb/s up after using the app. I prefer using kb/s since thats what it shows when I download stuff. I guess this is faster than my Pre and definitely faster than my crappy dsl
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Well the fastest I've seen was 310kb/s down 109kb/s up after using the app. I prefer using kb/s since thats what it shows when I download stuff. I guess this is faster than my Pre and definitely faster than my crappy dsl
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Faster than your DSL? wow your DSL should at least be equal. Probably at the end of the distance to the Telco or closest Router or VRack. Should have your DSL Co check your line.
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You honestly can't really get a "consistant" speed out of 3g. 3g works in bursts, and when you wifi tether or tether in general you lose speed, for the most accurate speeds run a speed test on the phone via the market apps. Also the more people on a 3g network the crappier it is, CDMA also has slower 3g speeds since voice and data are on the same band. 4g is being throttled to 6mbps at the moment because sprint doesn't want to overload the network until its fully tested under heavy end user use. (maybe AT&T shoulda done this becasue their 3g network is crashing and burning horribly).
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Where do you have the source for 4G being throttled to 6? I heard 10/1.
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Faster than your DSL? wow your DSL should at least be equal. Probably at the end of the distance to the Telco or closest Router or VRack. Should have your DSL Co check your line.
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Its what Verizon offers in my area. I get 890 or something kbps down its either that or 1.6mbps which with a little more money I could get more with comcast. We need more internet competition or for companies to step up their game because comcast is fast but throttling and the whole area getting a set pool of bandwidth vs slow but always the same speeds sucks
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Where do you have the source for 4G being throttled to 6? I heard 10/1.
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I've heard the same thing around the time the Evo was announced and Wimax started to expand
on tmobiles site it advertises that all the new-ish phones have the ability to use HSPA+ do i need to change my APNs on The Aria ROM??? if so What Are the new APNs
You will never be able to use HSPA+ on a Slide, T-Mobile does not claim that you will be able to either.
t-mobile does claim that you can, and you can. i have experienced 6 times faster speed since they turned on the tower near my place. i have HSPA+ at home and now average 3.5-4.5 Mbps rather than the .8 Mbps i had with standard 3G. my apn says epc.tmobile.com i do not know if there are other settings needed, but i am using CM6RC1 and getting phenomenal speeds(compared to some friends that have EVO on 4G)
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t-mobile does claim that you can, and you can. i have experienced 6 times faster speed since they turned on the tower near my place. i have HSPA+ at home and now average 3.5-4.5 Mbps rather than the .8 Mbps i had with standard 3G. my apn says epc.tmobile.com i do not know if there are other settings needed, but i am using CM6RC1 and getting phenomenal speeds(compared to some friends that have EVO on 4G)
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That's cause sprint's "4G" is not as fast as Tmo's HSPA+...There was an article on their speeds on engadget.
that jappened to be my point, i was stating that t-mo was better(faster) and that r0manz was wrong
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that jappened to be my point, i was stating that t-mo was better(faster) and that r0manz was wrong
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I'm not wrong.
There are no HSPA+ phones presently being sold in the United States, that being said you can get up to 7.2mbps on T-Mobile HSPA network at present on the Vibrant, Slide, and others
He's right they can take advantage of the speeds, but are not actually HSPA+ phones, the first one will be the t-mobile G2 as announced by t-mobile.
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What about a HSPA++ Phone?
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This HSPA+ has been pretty awesome..Out of every person I know that has tmobile and a 3G enabled phone I have been the only one able to pick it up and my wife has the Vibrant, plus several others that I know with the Slide and other android phones... It started about a week ago when I first noticed that 3G turn into an H. I am running the latest CyanogenMod and I have not altered any settings on my phone whatsoever. The only thing I have been able to come up with is that its because of the Froyo ROM... Anyone agree?? But this s**t is great! I ran a speedtest while I was at work yesterday and I almost got a 6 Mbps connection and a 1.5 Mbps upload while connected to the HSPA network!!!
But like others said earlier in the thread our Slides will not be able to take full advantage of the HSPA+ speeds and will never be able to...but Ill take it because its just not everyday that a cell phone provider gives you 6x speed boost and doesn't charge you extra for it... GO T-MOBILE!!!
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This HSPA+ has been pretty awesome..Out of every person I know that has tmobile and a 3G enabled phone I have been the only one able to pick it up and my wife has the Vibrant, plus several others that I know with the Slide and other android phones... It started about a week ago when I first noticed that 3G turn into an H. I am running the latest CyanogenMod and I have not altered any settings on my phone whatsoever. The only thing I have been able to come up with is that its because of the Froyo ROM... Anyone agree?? But this s**t is great! I ran a speedtest while I was at work yesterday and I almost got a 6 Mbps connection and a 1.5 Mbps upload while connected to the HSPA network!!!
But like others said earlier in the thread our Slides will not be able to take full advantage of the HSPA+ speeds and will never be able to...but Ill take it because its just not everyday that a cell phone provider gives you 6x speed boost and doesn't charge you extra for it... GO T-MOBILE!!!
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I'm pretty sure the only reason you're getting the "H" instead of the "3G" logo is because in the CyanogenMOD 6 Stable release, the "3G" graphic was replaced with the "H".
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I'm pretty sure the only reason you're getting the "H" instead of the "3G" logo is because in the CyanogenMOD 6 Stable release, the "3G" graphic was replaced with the "H".
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I have not used froyo on the SLide, the "H" icon is included with every rom but if cyan changed the name of the H icon to replace 3G then it would make sense, but i doubt he would do that to trick people. Every rom has the H icon in the framework folder.
He did not replace it, I am running a CM6 rom and in certain areas I will pick up HSPA, but in most places I go in Huntsville, AL its 3G signal, with the 3G icon showing in my status bar.
There is also a noticable difference in browsing and download speeds when I am able to pull HSPA, so its not just displaying it in error.
On the stock ROM you never see the "H" icon, but if I look in About Phone -> Network I often see "HSDPA" under mobile network type. I assume T-Mobile has mapped the 3G icon to that network type to minimize user confusion. I also see the 3G icon when connected to a UMTS network.
As has been pointed out earlier, that doesn't mean you will get the HSPA+ speeds and in fact they haven't even rolled out HSPA+ in my area yet.
I am running the latest CM for the slide. Ever since I flashed it, I haven't seen the 3G symbol, only H. I live in Salt Lake City Utah, and according to T-Mobile, they haven't enabled HSPA+ here yet. So I'm not sure why H would be showing up instead of 3G. Since I've tested my speed using the Speedtest.net app, and it comes up with ping 103ms D:637kbps U:759kbps, I highly doubt that is HSPA+ speeds.
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I thought it was the radio update that had the H in it.
Using Chiefz rom I get H when I'm by my school.
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I am running the latest CM for the slide. Ever since I flashed it, I haven't seen the 3G symbol, only H. I live in Salt Lake City Utah, and according to T-Mobile, they haven't enabled HSPA+ here yet. So I'm not sure why H would be showing up instead of 3G. Since I've tested my speed using the Speedtest.net app, and it comes up with ping 103ms D:637kbps U:759kbps, I highly doubt that is HSPA+ speeds.
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Check under settings, about phone, status and look at what it says under Mobile Network Type. If it says HSDPA you will see the H icon, if it say UMTS you will see 3G. The H Icon is showing up because it is the begginings of HSPA+ without the fiber back haul ran to the tower, or they haven't switched it on yet. The phone sees the H network and displays the H icon, it doesn't know that it isn't HSPA+ or HSDPA, if your were still stock you would only ever see 3G.
So does that mean that stock rom (I have ChiefzReloaded's modified 1.35.531 rom) still takes advantage of HSPA+ even though it will only show 3G on the status bar? Or would I have to switch to another ROM to take advantage of it?
I remember when I was testing which rom I liked, I had tried a 2.2 rom and seen the H in my status bar, but never tested the speed. At the moment, I don't get speeds faster than 750 kbps down and 70 kbps up.. really disappointed since they already have HSPA+ here in Houston (and its suburbs).
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So does that mean that stock rom (I have ChiefzReloaded's modified 1.35.531 rom) still takes advantage of HSPA+ even though it will only show 3G on the status bar? Or would I have to switch to another ROM to take advantage of it?
I remember when I was testing which rom I liked, I had tried a 2.2 rom and seen the H in my status bar, but never tested the speed. At the moment, I don't get speeds faster than 750 kbps down and 70 kbps up.. really disappointed since they already have HSPA+ here in Houston (and its suburbs).
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Look to see if youre on UMTS, thats 3G...if it says HSPA then you will see H..
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Check under settings, about phone, status and look at what it says under Mobile Network Type. If it says HSDPA you will see the H icon, if it say UMTS you will see 3G. The H Icon is showing up because it is the begginings of HSPA+ without the fiber back haul ran to the tower, or they haven't switched it on yet. The phone sees the H network and displays the H icon, it doesn't know that it isn't HSPA+ or HSDPA, if your were still stock you would only ever see 3G.
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Mine says HSDPA. So I guess that is because they haven't flipped the switch here yet. Thanks for the information.
I am running a stock ROM and under mobile network type I usually see "HSDPA" even though the "3G" icon appears. The point is that on the stock ROM you will see the "3G" icon whether you are connected to a UMTS or HSDPA network, and on the CM ROM you see the "H" icon when you connect to an HSDPA network. But the icon does not limit your speed. You will still get the benefit of HSDPA (and to some degree HSPA+) networks either way.
I've been noticing on liberated aria roms that instead of 3G, it is reporting data as being HSPA. I was curious as to the authenticity of this.
On liberated aria, speedtest.net reports I am getting about 4mb/s for downloads in H area. I was wondering if anyone with an aria reporting 3g would be willing to run a speedtest to see if they get the same results?
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I've been noticing on liberated aria roms that instead of 3G, it is reporting data as being HSPA. I was curious as to the authenticity of this.
On liberated aria, speedtest.net reports I am getting about 4mb/s for downloads in H area. I was wondering if anyone with an aria reporting 3g would be willing to run a speedtest to see if they get the same results?
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HSPA is the same as 3G on AT&T. HSPA is the technology AT&T uses for their 3G, and for some reason on the Froyo ROMs, it shows up with an H.
People have told me that its the same but when I speedtest my 3g and hspa the 3g is a little less for me. Like one time I had 3.87mb on 3g and when I flashed the hspa Rom it came up with 4mb.
I always throught the OEM rom had 3G (3.6mbit), while CM6 and perhaps the modified liberated roms had unlocked 3.5G (7.2mbit).
NO^^^ the speeds you experience on both roms are the exact same... who ever created the rom just decided to replace the 3G symbol with an H!
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NO^^^ the speeds you experience on both roms are the exact same... who ever created the rom just decided to replace the 3G symbol with an H!
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Any proof to back it up?
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Any proof to back it up?
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Yeah I dunno if I'd necessarily believe that. I notice when I do speedtests the HSPA is a bit faster, or at least thats what the speedtest app says. You notice it more on uploads, than downloads.
I believe the correct abbreviation is "HSDPA", or no?
Per:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_aria-3392.php
The difference is that the ROMs with 'H' has HSUPA (faster uploads) turned on and the stock AT&T with '3G' does not. Category 5 HSUPA to be exact. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Uplink_Packet_Access
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I believe the correct abbreviation is "HSDPA", or no?
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The technology is HSPA, HSDPA is the download speed, HSUPA is the upload speed, that is why you see the 2 different mnemonics used interchangeably.
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The difference is that the ROMs with 'H' has HSUPA (faster uploads) turned on and the stock AT&T with '3G' does not. Category 5 HSUPA to be exact. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Uplink_Packet_Access
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This at least goes along with what I've noticed.
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I always throught the OEM rom had 3G (3.6mbit), while CM6 and perhaps the modified liberated roms had unlocked 3.5G (7.2mbit).
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I always assumed the same thing(never did any research to actually confirm). But from a practical point of view, I never noticed a significant speed increase when switching from stock to CM6.
You are all wrong. Att roms are compiled to use the 3g icon. When compiling roms/or using overseas roms its usually compiled to use the HSDPA icon. Its a known fact. HSPA and HSDPA are two totally different things. Proof to back it up? Its a build flag when compiling roms. You can also.check in settings->phone status. They both say hsdpa. So both roms get the exact same speed. Just use different icons. The speed changes you may notice are just placebo. Nothing more, nothing less.
Yeah I have had no speed increase from 3g to h...both pretty much same using 3g speed tester
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Yeah I have had no speed increase from 3g to h...both pretty much same using 3g speed tester
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same here, I do multiple speed tests a week, difference is minimal
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HSPA is the same as 3G on AT&T. HSPA is the technology AT&T uses for their 3G, and for some reason on the Froyo ROMs, it shows up with an H.
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No it's not. HSPA is not the same as 3g - it is faster, and yes, ATT has had HSPA for quite a while.
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No it's not. HSPA is not the same as 3g - it is faster, and yes, ATT has had HSPA for quite a while.
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Right - case in point - I had another unlocked phone (SE K850i) in late 2008, which typically read '3G' throughout the SF Bay Area, but I noticed it turned to 'H' when I traveled to Seattle at the time.
Tethered to a laptop, I got (roughly, from memory)
H 1.5MB down 700K up
3G 1.1MB down 144K up
Sometime in spring of 2009 ATT upgraded their network in the SF Bay area to HSPDA from the former UMTS (3G) network. The phone then read H thereafter and got similar speeds to what I'd seen on my trip in Seattle.
So, the older 3G network was UMTS, not HSPA. It's possible ATT still has some UMTS / 3G networks laying around elsewhere in the country, but I haven't seen '3G' on any of my phones that make the distinction recently in the SF Bay area, they're either on Edge or HSPA these days.
What's really funny is that, with all the current 4G marketing blitz, ATT probably missed out calling their HSPA network something better than 3G very early on, but instead just dumbed down their phones to all read 3G...perhaps to hide the extra time it took them to roll out HSPA...perhaps to avoid questions from thousands of people that would call in wondering why their phones didn't say 3G.
Anyhow right - Edge (2.5G) < UMTS (3G) < HSPA (3.5G)
Do we have to upgrade our phones to a 4g phone if we want hspa+?
I ask, because t-mobile customers seems to have 4g speeds on their n1s.
No, it doesnt have the necessary radio inside it to do hspa +. T-mobile nexus cant do hspa +. You still might see a speed boost though.
I get 5.2mbps on my Nexus One in Canada. This is still 3G.
T-mobile customers have just experienced a placebo effect (or T-Mobile simutaneously updated both HSPA and HSPA+)
That sounds nice... maybe us att users will at least get a speed boost
You will benefit form HSPA+ on a non HSPA+ device because the backend is upgraded as well.
You're limit is your hardware. The radio on the phone can only get up to 7.2, so you'll benefit from HSPA+ all the way to 7.2.
You hit the nail on the head. With T-Mobile in a very strong HSPA+ area and my N1 is getting DL speeds over 6.5MB, my UL speeds are a very solid 1.5MB. I bought the MyTouch 4G and my speeds are on average 9 to 11 MB on DL and the same UL 1.5MB. I still find myself using my N1, with those DL speeds the N1 is a bad ass phone. Nothing feels as good as the N1 in your hand, maybe it's just me.
PS I still want a Tegra powered device, those phones look hot.
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You will benefit form HSPA+ on a non HSPA+ device because the backend is upgraded as well.
You're limit is your hardware. The radio on the phone can only get up to 7.2, so you'll benefit from HSPA+ all the way to 7.2.
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Great info, I learn something everyday on here.
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My girlfriend has a mt4g, and since she got it about a year ago, never seen it go into 4g. Our area is completely 4g covered.
I went into phone settings via *#*#4636#*#* checking its connection. Seen 3g(Umts) H(hsdpa)[3.5g...] but never no matter what do I see it go to 4g(hspa).
Any suggestions? I got a new sim for it today since I've heard about that whole thing, and the phone is rooted. I'm out of ideas.
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H = HSDPA = 4G for you. The difference between HSDPA "3.5G" and "4G" is only the speed, the protocol is the same. Marketing...
HSPA is only a "friendly" name for HSDPA+HSUPA. It doesn't actually mean anything separate from both of those.
Weird...
My phone (nexus one) gets hsdpa though.
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Nexus can't get more than 7.2Mbps HSDPA.
MT4G can do 14.4Mbps.
That's the "3.5G" and "4G" difference. For marketing.
Oh I get it. Weird, haha.
Really odd though, doing speed tests I pull around 5mb/s dl. MT4G pulls around 2-3.
thats more wierd, cuz i buy my MT4G to a friend. it comes whit the original firmware 2.2.1 mysence ( never rooted modded or anithing ) and it says 4G, now i rooted it and install cm7 ( from cyanogenmod ) and now it only stays in 3g and H(3.5) in stock rom it shows 3g H and 4g, so what is the diferense?
Any ROM for MT4G either shows 3G and H, or 3G and 4G. It will NEVER show 3G, H and 4G together, because it can't differentiate between HSDPA modes. You can return it back to stock and see for yourself.
These things have been explained to the bones about a year ago. Please run a quick search, if you want more info.
Fron my understanding those are just icons to be user friendly and give it the appeal that it is 4g, when in reality its just how much more speed the phone can actually handle over 3g. If I got that correct t. Males sense. Though I still don't get why my browsing is faster than the "4g".
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Like my n1 gets better speeds than mt4g.
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Yes, you got it just right. And the speed will vary, depending on towers, exact position of the phones, the way you're holding them, etc etc. The top speed for MT4G that it can pull near the tower that can actually support that speed (and most of them most probably can't yet), is much higher. The actual speed will be just about the same most of the time.
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