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Verizon just anounced they are working on finding root users and limiting or FULLY SUSPENDING DATA if the user is one of the following:
1. Rooted
2. Leaked Firmware
3. Using a custom rom that is modifing the system (All roms do!)
4. Overclocking (How would they know that?)
UPDATE: Verizon is developing the program and will take place in May-June.
What is your source on this information?
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tyvallely said:
Verizon just anounced they are working on finding root users and limiting or FULLY SUSPENDING DATA if the user is one of the following:
1. Rooted
2. Leaked Firmware
3. Using a custom rom that is modifing the system (All roms do!)
4. Overclocking (How would they know that?)
UPDATE: Verizon is developing the program and will take place in May-June.
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sue for breach of contract. they want to suspend it because people are tethering "Illegally" well according to my contract i have UNLIMITED data. does not say i have a LIMIT or how fast i can go thru it. if they do this they will need to start charging when friends use ur phone for checking facebook, twitter whatever uses data because then verizon hasnt authorized ur friends to use it. this **** is getting old. im starting to agree with sprints dan hesse when he says he looked up unlimited in the dictionary and found it says nothing about throttling or a limit.
Yeah Verizon is gonna have a thousands of pissed off people calling them. If you guys want P3Droid's link on what he heard here it is:
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...rooting-manufacturers-carriers.html#post65013
I have unlimited data too. And if they think they can just take away our data plan...I dont know what to say...
I wouldn't install any updates if I were you guys lol. I would think our awesome devs will have some type of solution for this. Maybe one last " epic " ROM to use before the update that blocks VZW from looking into your phone.
I can't imagine that VZW would create some type of " big brother " software that automatically traces your DX to see if you are modded or not without an update.
My company issued Droid x's to employees and just announced that Verizon and or I.T. department will find rooted droids. Wonder how they do it? Needless to say I unrooted my x and it sucks now
Maybe that will come in the official 2.3.3 :'( Let's do as much hacking as possible before its over.
tyvallely said:
Maybe that will come in the official 2.3.3 :'( Let's do as much hacking as possible before its over.
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P3droid also announced on his twitter that if you flashed the leaked gingerbread rom that you have already been tracked =(
tyvallely said:
Verizon just anounced they are working on finding root users and limiting or FULLY SUSPENDING DATA if the user is one of the following:
1. Rooted
2. Leaked Firmware
3. Using a custom rom that is modifing the system (All roms do!)
4. Overclocking (How would they know that?)
UPDATE: Verizon is developing the program and will take place in May-June.
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Can they do that? I did all of thee above. However I didn't steal wifi tether like most of you a holes. I rooted so I could remove crap like NFS and kindle and play angry birds without ads (I would've paid if they'd let me). Whatever, I'd just leave VZW. F**k their ETF, I got other bills I'm not paying.
Seriously, one way or another everyone's dx was purchased (not leased) at some time which makes it your property, not Verizon's. Is there really any harm in customizing your phone? Or having access to the system files of the phone?
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I call shenanegains.
demorse said:
P3droid also announced on his twitter that if you flashed the leaked gingerbread rom that you have already been tracked =(
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As of now I dont give a f if they think they can suspend my account because I'll stay on the phone all day complaining about how the phone sucked anyway and how many problems it had.
thewahlrus said:
Can they do that? I did all of thee above. However I didn't steal wifi tether like most of you a holes. I rooted so I could remove crap like NFS and kindle and play angry birds without ads (I would've paid if they'd let me). Whatever, I'd just leave VZW. F**k their ETF, I got other bills I'm not paying.
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Yeah they can and that's why everyone is unfolding as we speak. Also I removed all the apps and **** that came on the phone and slowed it down. But I do have to confess if I knew ahead of time that they were gonna do this I would never used wifi tether.
Oh and by the way if wifi tether is such a problem than why is it on the market? And legally wifi tether is totally different from the 3G hotspot because if you compare the two wifi tether has more options and was available first. Also the developers can decide the fees of wifi tether but another company can't just rise there fee prices.
jeraspie28 said:
Seriously, one way or another everyone's dx was purchased (not leased) at some time which makes it your property, not Verizon's. Is there really any harm in customizing your phone? Or having access to the system files of the phone?
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No not at all there is nothing wrong with having access to system files and making your phone suitable for the way you use it. Good point.
Does no body have a sack or what these are our phones if we mod them it's are business wifi tether is different but modding ur own hardware is ur right not a privilege.
There are other carriers mainly sprint and the soon nexus s so let them piss me off I got 3 smart phones with unlimited data and will leave in a heart beat.
Great. First I hear motorola us locking boot loaders, and now verizon is banning data if they catch you rooted. What's next?
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Oh and by the way if wifi tether is such a problem than why is it on the market? And legally wifi tether is totally different from the 3G hotspot because if you compare the two wifi tether has more options and was available first. Also the developers can decide the fees of wifi tether but another company can't just rise there fee prices.
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Actually from a software standpoint 3g hotspot and tethering are VERY different. Tethering programs such as Wireless Tether for root users are using an Ad-hoc network that can only connect to one device at a time. Also Ad-hoc uses much more power and essentially all it is is usb tethering without the chord which is built into vanilla android and wireless providers have no authority to limit us from doing this. 3g mobile hotspot on the other hand is a service that Verizon provides that essentially makes your phone into a true wireless router. You are capable of attaching to numerous devices (up to 5?) and this is not an Ad-hoc network but a true wirless (wifi) network that, I believe, works just like your ethernet router at home.
What Verizon is doing here is trying to block the competition by baking this security feature into their phones, forcing you to use their 3g hotspot - this is why the free hotspot hack still works, they werent trying to target those using the TBH patch to "borrow" this service, they are targeting application's developed to circumvent the 3g mobile hotspot app all together. Its really a joke if you ask me and completely goes against what android stands for.
Verizon could give a crap about android though, thats why they attempt to put things like the VZ app store in to place so they can monitor the programs they offer (finally they have the iphone, its like a match made in heaven!) I dont know at what point exactly verizon started becoming Nazis, but thats what it has become. If they could, they would circumvent any openess that is offered from their phones through google and they are clearly making as many steps as possible toward this goal.
[email protected] off verizon, Ill switch over to a pre-paid plan and unlock a cool android phone for it next time, the best network can go F it self.
Hold up...
Wait just a moment. Wasn't there something not that long ago. That a judge ruled that a "Jailbreak" wasn't illegal? That once you've purchased a device legally, you are therefore able to do what you wish, as long as you stay within the confines of the law? How does rooting break the law? You're not stealing intellectual property. You're not harming anyone. Last I heard, Google is still claiming Android is OPEN SOURCE (that is until Honeycomb..A-holes) right? Most of us are forced into 2 yr contacts at $30 plus a month for unlimited data. So, let me ask. Is it illegal to buy a new car, buy some nice RIM's, drop a few 12's in the trunk, tint the windows, and add some nitrous under the hood to "Go Fast, Go Fast"!? I think not!
Now to those who've abused these cool hacks, then it's to your shame that we are now facing these possibilities. Just because you can break the rules, doesn't mean everyone should.
But then again, who am I? Just another rooted fool that believes in Democracy, Liberty 2.0 and justice for all!
I know this question has been asked plenty of times before but I have some questions that I just cannot get a straight answer to. XDA came through for me with my HD2 and I hope I can get some guideance again.
Backstory....I got my HD2 all androided up with 2.2, ran up to my local "Simple Mobile" Store (Im sure most of you know, simple mobile is pretty much T-Mobile in disguise) and I got my phone activated. Then to smah my dreams, I find out I cant get signal at all within 10miles of my house. Although the phone is amazing when it does have signal.
So now, Im Looking into going back to MetroPCS because I have full signal with them every where I go, and Im looking at the Droid-X as my next phone porting Victim. However I cannot seem to find one solid guide on getting everything working properly. Some guides say everything but apps work, some say apps work but no mms, Is there one rock solid guide out there that will cover all aspects? Obviously I would like my phone to act just as it would on VZW, or as close as I can get. Secondly, Will I beable to get 3G or not? Im pretty sure MetroPCS does not have 3G(Atleast in Daytona Beach, FL), but some people keep saying they do. Lastly, Since im pretty sure that the answer to the last question will be a big fat NO, what kinds of internet speeds can I expect with Metro's network? Will apps like Pandora and Youtube Work? If so I know they will be slow, but just how slow are we talking?
Also, as a side question, are there any 4G LTE phones that can be ported over from verizon yet? Metro doesnt have the best selection of phones.
Thank you to anyone who can shed some light on this for me. Im definately not a noob, but I'm sure as hell no expert either.
Sorry for being so wordy with my question
Edit: Also I have a friend willing to sell me a EVO for $100, Is it possible to get that phone working aswell, apps and all?
for droid x:
http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...-x-and-get-apps-mms-internet-talk-tex-working
for evo:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=704161
or
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=796257
just got these from a quick google search. there are lots of other guides
I have actually Seen the Guide for the droid X, and the first one you posted for the EVO. However I haven't see the second EVO guide that you posted, so thank you for that one, that answered the EVO question.
My only other question is; What (if any) apps Will not function on metropcs? I do not live in a EVDO market so I wont have 3G. Will apps like Pandora, Youtube, and google maps work? and if they do what kind of experiences have peole had with them, are they tolerable, or are they so slow that their barely usable?
relik1989 said:
I have actually Seen the Guide for the droid X, and the first one you posted for the EVO. However I haven't see the second EVO guide that you posted, so thank you for that one, that answered the EVO question.
My only other question is; What (if any) apps Will not function on metropcs? I do not live in a EVDO market so I wont have 3G. Will apps like Pandora, Youtube, and google maps work? and if they do what kind of experiences have peole had with them, are they tolerable, or are they so slow that their barely usable?
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They should work, however without 3g, apps like pandora and youtube will take forever to load
Jmoney47 said:
They should work, however without 3g, apps like pandora and youtube will take forever to load
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Do you think it will even be worth it?
While I myself am a total VZW Fanboy, if you have constant access to WiFi (college campus), it wouldn't be so bad.
Personally, the hassle isn't worth it for me and I'd rather pay the premium for a reliable network, but for others, maybe not .
Interestingly enough I am seriously considering going to VZW. However I know they are going to require a deposit from me, but it's almost worth it for me. On a side note, this is for me and my wife, so if i do end up biting the bullet and going with VZW do you know if it would be one deposit for the whole account, or one deposit per line? ATT wanted $500 per line.
But in the mean time im still stuck with metro, and I have 25Mb/s internet at my house so im covers there, but unfortunately no WiFi at work.
I am currently using droid x on metro. With it upgraded to leaked gingerbread everything works except picture messages which can work but is a little buggy. You can follow the guid at Howard forums for flashing. You do not need U2LN or AUTOSTAT files at all with gingerbread and since metro dos not use a proxy anymore....
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dzhowandai said:
I am currently using droid x on metro. With it upgraded to leaked gingerbread everything works except picture messages which can work but is a little buggy. You can follow the guid at Howard forums for flashing. You do not need U2LN or AUTOSTAT files at all with gingerbread and since metro dos not use a proxy anymore....
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what kind of data speeds are you getting?
i was unaware i wasnt going to be able to get 3g when i had my droid x flashed to metro.
Just 1x 130 up and mid. 200 down...
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dzhowandai said:
Just 1x 130 up and mid. 200 down...
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damn...LOL this sucks for me. i get 6k download speeds in my area in tampa.
guess its time to find a new phone.
having a smartphone with basically no internet access is pointless for me:/
FAIL.
Hey guys just wanted to make anyone aware who hadn't heard that the latest version of PDANET now comes with a setting to hide tethering usage from your carrier
Do you have a link for us lazy folks. I don't see it in the market
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The trick doesn't work.
People are still getting emails from AT&T.
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rjohnstone said:
The trick doesn't work.
People are still getting emails from AT&T.
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please cite your source material, don't just spread rumors if that is all they are, who that was using pdanet 3.0 has received an email? my bull **** detector is flying off the handle, especially considering 3.0 which provided the hide tethering feature JUST came out
http://www.junefabrics.com/android/index.php for you lazy folk, its not on market, you install on pc first then it installs on your phone
You could easily get this from the Market. Put your phone on airplane mode, then connect to the Internet using wifi. Search for pdanet in the Market and it will show up.
banes said:
Hey guys just wanted to make anyone aware who hadn't heard that the latest version of PDANET now comes with a setting to hide tethering usage from your carrier
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The only problem is that it can only be use for one device at a time and it only works on Desktops and Laptops. Which means, no iPad, iPod, Xbox, PS3, etc. Barnacle is better
banes said:
please cite your source material, don't just spread rumors if that is all they are, who that was using pdanet 3.0 has received an email? my bull **** detector is flying off the handle, especially considering 3.0 which provided the hide tethering feature JUST came out
http://www.junefabrics.com/android/index.php for you lazy folk, its not on market, you install on pc first then it installs on your phone
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Are you dumb? They can just see that you are using A LOT of data, they can't actually see you tethering......
Chubby_Skunk said:
Are you dumb? They can just see that you are using A LOT of data, they can't actually see you tethering......
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no im actually pretty smart, are you dumb?
i never suggested that you use PDANET to download 50gb a month with your torrents, however there have been people served with tethering warning emails who have not even exceeded 2gb so please refrain from making bold assumptions, you could get caught using barnacle with a low usage just the same as pdanet except for that barnacle does not have hide tether usage as a feature
and yes i agree there is a downside that you can only use it on one device at a time and only certain devices, but everyones needs are different, if you are only using your pc or laptop and want take extra precautions to not lose your unlimited plan then use pdanet over barnacle, i personally only need my laptop connected, and realistically you could create an adhoc network with your PC that you tether with if you would like multiple devices connected at the same time
please if you are not here to contribute, just go away i dont want this thread clogged up with a ton of misinformation from a bunch of misinformed people with poor reading comprehension, i was just making a suggestion here, if you dont like it stfu and gtfo
banes said:
no im actually pretty smart, are you dumb?
i never suggested that you use PDANET to download 50gb a month with your torrents, however there have been people served with tethering warning emails who have not even exceeded 2gb so please refrain from making bold assumptions, you are far more likely to get caught using barnacle with a low usage, also keep in mind barnacle does not have hide tether usage as a feature please if you are not here to contribute, just go away i dont want this thread clogged up with a ton of misinformation from a bunch of misinformed people with poor reading comprehension
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Yeah thats why I've gone over 10gb for the past 5 months and have never gotten an Email. But if you know how its working then you would know that they cant actually see that you are tethering. Its just from data usages from how people have been reporting it. Plus PDANet is a pain to use. I have to have the App on all of the devices I want to connect to? It has to be USB? and only one device???? thats too much to give away when I could be using my custom APN or Barnacle tether.....
btw. its not misinformation, its the truth
Chubby_Skunk said:
Yeah thats why I've gone over 10gb for the past 5 months and have never gotten an Email. But if you know how its working then you would know that they cant actually see that you are tethering. Its just from data usages from how people have been reporting it. Plus PDANet is a pain to use. I have to have the App on all of the devices I want to connect to? It has to be USB? and only one device???? thats too much to give away when I could be using my custom APN or Barnacle tether.....
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as i said before, there have been people with low usage who have received emails, don't assume that high usage is the method they are using to crack down
are you implying that someone who watches tons of HD quality vids and creates high GB per month usage is going to receive a tethering notice? we all don't really know how its working, so please refrain from talking out your butthole when no one really knows the facts
if its truth as opposed to misinformation, then please cite sources, otherwise youre just talking out your butthole once again, til you can show your evidence, you might as well have made up everything you said
and if you don't like pdanet, theres a simple solution, dont use it, and leave this thread, theres plenty of people who might find this useful and appreciate the extra precaution taken with pdanets new feature
banes said:
as i said before, there have been people with low usage who have received emails, don't assume that high usage is the method they are using to crack down
are you implying that someone who watches tons of HD quality vids and creates high GB per month usage is going to receive a tethering notice? we all don't really know how its working, so please refrain from talking out your butthole when no one really knows the facts
if its truth as opposed to misinformation, then please cite sources, otherwise youre just talking out your butthole once again, til you can show your evidence, you might as well have made up everything you said
and if you don't like pdanet, theres a simple solution, dont use it, and leave this thread, theres plenty of people who might find this useful and appreciate the extra precaution taken with pdanets new feature
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Im talking out of my buthole? Explain how I do that please
Here; my friend never tethers and he got an email from AT&T being acused of tethering. Look at his data usage.
just so we don't all drop our guards thinking we won't get caught if we just keep our usage low
http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/g62wv/i_woke_up_this_morning_to_this_lovely_email_from/
Chubby_Skunk said:
Im talking out of my buthole? Explain how I do that please
Here; my friend never tethers and he got an email from AT&T being acused of tethering. Look at his data usage.
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ive never used an iphone, so i have to ask, if you are using a jailbroken phone with an app that is not the standard iphone att tethering app, why would it register under the iphones att statistics? i would be much more satisfied with an article or some other more credible source than a pic of a random iphone statistic with your anecdotal experience attached to it (unreliable narrator problem)
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ive never used an iphone, so i have to ask, if you are using a jailbroken phone with an app that is not the standard iphone att tethering app, why would it register under the iphones att statistics? i would be much more satisfied with an article or some other more credible source than a pic of a random iphone statistic with your anecdotal experience attached to it (unreliable narrator problem)
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Because tethering Apps are shortcuts for APNs really. So the tethering counter counts data going through a tethering APN. Therefore any tethering app that is a APN shortcut (MyWi) would be counted because it goes through the tethering APN.....
So are you going to explain how to talk through my butthole, or are you going to ignore that and look stupid for saying it?
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Because tethering Apps are shortcuts for APNs really. So the tethering counter counts data going through a tethering APN. Therefore any tethering app that is a APN shortcut (MyWi) would be counted because it goes through the tethering APN.....
So are you going to explain how to talk through my butthole, or are you going to ignore that and look stupid for saying it?
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Like I said before all u gave me was a pic with a likely story to go with it, please cite a credible source, I have no evidence that the story behind the pic is true, I mean why do u even have a pic of ur friends usage, its awfully convenient and I like to get my facts straight before I buy into something and forums I've learned are breeding grounds for huge amounts of misinformation, honestly u just seem to be trolling here so pardon me if I don't just buy ur anonymous pic with unverified story
And yes talking with ur butthole I didn't think this need an explanation but... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=talking out of your ass
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Like I said before all u gave me was a pic with a likely story to go with it, please cite a credible source, I have no evidence that the story behind the pic is true, I mean why do u even have a pic of his usage its awfully convenient and I like to get my facts straight before I buy into something and forums I've learned ae breeding grounds for huge amounts of misinformation
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Alright, then cite your sources saying that people on Android phones are being caught for unoffical tethering and that AT&T can actually see it on Android phones....
btw that picture was for another forum. I got it from my friend when this whole thing started...
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Alright, then cite your sources saying that people on Android phones are being caught for unoffical tethering and that AT&T can actually see it on Android phones....
btw that picture was for another forum. I got it from my friend when this whole thing started...
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I don't know how they do it that's the point, no one does, att has not disclosed how they do it in order to avoid to having people figure ways around it, so since we are all just guessing at it, I suggest we err on the side of caution hence why I created this thread to inform people,not to attract trolls like moths to a flame, and for the record I try to maintain my usage around 2gb to be safe because u could be right although I believe I read somewhere that someone with low usage was sent a warning as well so that is where my doubt comes from, truthfully I haven't even looked into how pdanet is hiding tethering usage exactly or if it actually works, but like I said I believe in erring on the side of caution
I tethered my Atrix to my iPhone 4 when I was working on it at school, probably no more than 20MB. Got a letter in the mail, a call, and the text. I, on average, use around 6GB/month (non tethering). They're just mad that my $2500/year isn't good enough for them. Sorry, let me give you 20 of my unborn children.
banes said:
I don't know how they do it that's the point, no one does, att has not disclosed how they do it in order to avoid to having people figure ways around it, so since we are all just guessing at it, I suggest we err on the side of caution hence why I created this thread to inform people,not to attract trolls like moths to a flame, and for the record I try to maintain my usage around 2gb to be safe because u could be right although I believe I read somewhere that someone with low usage was sent a warning as well so that is where my doubt comes from, truthfully I haven't even looked into how pdanet is hiding tethering usage exactly or if it actually works, but like I said I believe in erring on the side of caution
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Ill leave it at this:
My guess...
AT&T is working there way down the list of people with high data usage or whatever they look for and they are emailing them.
If that is true, my time is coming up.
I'll remember to PM you when/if I get an email from AT&T regarding unauthorized tethering usage.
"At one point in everyone's life (that posts something online), everyone will have been a troll at least once."
nosit1 said:
I tethered my Atrix to my iPhone 4 when I was working on it at school, probably no more than 20MB. Got a letter in the mail, a call, and the text. I, on average, use around 6GB/month (non tethering). They're just mad that my $2500/year isn't good enough for them. Sorry, let me give you 20 of my unborn children.
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What method did u tether with?
Anyone know if Sprint is actively monitoring Hotspot usage on custom ROMs? I know they can, but never really worried about it since I only use it once every month or so for small amounts of data.
The other day I enabled it for a couple minutes just to test a tablet's wifi access out, and less than 5 minutes later, I got a message:
From 4483:
SprintFreeMsg: Turn your Evo 4G into a Wi-Fi router and connect up to 5 devices with Sprint Mobile Hotspot.
It could be a coincidence, but the timing is suspicious. Is there real concern about being charged/dropped? I've read some have been dropped for excessive forced roaming using custom ROMs, but didn't know if I should suspend use of limited Hotspot usage unless I pay the $30 monthly (which I'd never do for < 1 hour usage / month).
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Anyone know if Sprint is actively monitoring Hotspot usage on custom ROMs? I know they can, but never really worried about it since I only use it once every month or so for small amounts of data.
The other day I enabled it for a couple minutes just to test a tablet's wifi access out, and less than 5 minutes later, I got a message:
From 4483:
SprintFreeMsg: Turn your Evo 4G into a Wi-Fi router and connect up to 5 devices with Sprint Mobile Hotspot.
It could be a coincidence, but the timing is suspicious. Is there real concern about being charged/dropped? I've read some have been dropped for excessive forced roaming using custom ROMs, but didn't know if I should suspend use of limited Hotspot usage unless I pay the $30 monthly (which I'd never do for < 1 hour usage / month).
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ha, I jsut got the same one, and I never tether. Coincident
Anyone know if Sprint is actively monitoring Hotspot usage on custom ROMs? I know they can,
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wvufan said:
Anyone know if Sprint is actively monitoring Hotspot usage on custom ROMs? I know they can, but never really worried about it since I only use it once every month or so for small amounts of data.
The other day I enabled it for a couple minutes just to test a tablet's wifi access out, and less than 5 minutes later, I got a message:
From 4483:
SprintFreeMsg: Turn your Evo 4G into a Wi-Fi router and connect up to 5 devices with Sprint Mobile Hotspot.
It could be a coincidence, but the timing is suspicious. Is there real concern about being charged/dropped? I've read some have been dropped for excessive forced roaming using custom ROMs, but didn't know if I should suspend use of limited Hotspot usage unless I pay the $30 monthly (which I'd never do for < 1 hour usage / month).
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It's coincidence.
They can't tell if you're tethering from a custom rom.
This has been discussed by verizon customers for some time now. Carriers can monitor tethering, rooted or not. They can also block tethering apps in the market, which is what verizon and the others have done. Sprint doesnt block the apps in the market and could care less if your tethering without paying for it. If you pay the $10 a month for premium data you have unlimited data. They care less how you use it.
I was wondering the same thing since some ROMs come with Wireless Tether, which comes from the market, and the Sense ones come with Mobile Hot Spot. I remember reading that Mobile Hot Spot connects the the devices differently than the Wireless Tether and didn't know if Sprint was able to trace if you're using one or the other. Looks like they can't tell the difference between the two. And since you have unlimited data, they'll let you use as much data to tether as you want.
mikeyinid said:
Carriers can monitor tethering, rooted or not.
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What do you base this claim on?
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What do you base this claim on?
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My girlfriend has a Nexus S 4G(unrooted) and according to her she tethered for a day and the next was told to pay for it to continue to tether.
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My girlfriend has a Nexus S 4G(unrooted) and according to her she tethered for a day and the next was told to pay for it to continue to tether.
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I'm sure it has some sort of Sprint apps on it like SprintIQ/Sprint Zone or something that could potentially monitor that.
Especially if she used the tether function that is built in.
But if you use AOSP or some sort of ROM with the Sprint monitor apps removed it they can't monitor it.
There's no way for Sprint to know if I, with my Evo, tether with CM7
mattykinsx said:
What do you base this claim on?
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http://appadvice.com/appnn/2011/03/unauthorized-tethering-warnings-atts-bark-bigger-bite
Thats about att
http://stopthecap.com/2011/05/05/ve...start-cracking-down-on-tethering-freeloaders/
This is just in general.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news...own-on-wireless-tethering-app-for-android.ars
This talks about Sprint being the only carrier that doesnt block tethering apps in the market.
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If you think for a second they cant tell whos tethering, your wrong. I cant give you the science behind it, but carriers do know whos tethering. I think alot of it based on usage. If your tethering and playing COD, that would probably piss them off more than just checking emails, or browsing forums.
mattykinsx said:
I'm sure it has some sort of Sprint apps on it like SprintIQ/Sprint Zone or something that could potentially monitor that.
Especially if she used the tether function that is built in.
But if you use AOSP or some sort of ROM with the Sprint monitor apps removed it they can't monitor it.
There's no way for Sprint to know if I, with my Evo, tether with CM7
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since the nexus s has 0 sprint apps on it, that is not the case.
mikeyinid said:
http://appadvice.com/appnn/2011/03/unauthorized-tethering-warnings-atts-bark-bigger-bite
Thats about att
http://stopthecap.com/2011/05/05/ve...start-cracking-down-on-tethering-freeloaders/
This is just in general.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news...own-on-wireless-tethering-app-for-android.ars
This talks about Sprint being the only carrier that doesnt block tethering apps in the market.
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If you think for a second they cant tell whos tethering, your wrong. I cant give you the science behind it, but carriers do know whos tethering. I think alot of it based on usage. If your tethering and playing COD, that would probably piss them off more than just checking emails, or browsing forums.
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I'm sure it is based on usage but that's no proof that they know you're tethering.
A reasonable person could use 5 GB a month tethering and I see no way and no proof that they would have any idea, unless they could see that you have downloaded a tether app from the market.
mikeyinid said:
since the nexus s has 0 sprint apps on it, that is not the case.
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You're misunderstanding.
Just because it doesn't have Sprint TV on it doesn't mean it doesn't have Sprint Framework.
Obviously you can activate and update your PRL/Profile with the Nexus S 4g so there is obviously some sort of Sprint framework and it's conceivable, that if they can tell you're tethering and it's not based on usage, (and there's been no evidence to prove they can presented here yet) that would be how.
So you think att or verizon will just send someone a letter or text saying "we know your tethering, knock it off" without REALLY knowing? Sounds like bad business to me.
mattykinsx said:
What do you base this claim on?
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There are a variety of ways they *could* track it if they wanted to. Whether or not they do is a different question, but they easily could. For example. think about some of what your computer tends to do in the background. If you're running Windows, it pings windowsupdate now and then, checks for antivirus updates from a Norton/McAfee/Kaspersky/whatever server, and even pings time.windows.com every now and then to sync your clock. All tell-tale signs you're using data on a Windows machine. I'm sure that similar clues can be identified for Mac and Linux, and that's just one way to go about it. Then it's just a question of matching up the phone's IP address at the time to an account, which I expect they track already.
Bottom line is that if someone gave me a directive and a budget to create a system to identify people who are tethering, I could come up with something that would probably be at least 90% effective, without any regard to what's on your phone.
bkrodgers is right. I don't know if Sprint does monitor, hence my question, but there are ways to look at the packets being sent to identify the source with reasonable accuracy. In addition to things like the user agent on browsers, which can be overridden but will give you away most of the time, there are other ways. There are well known network analysis tools that can look at the way low-level network negotiations work and accurately identify the specific version and operating system of a computer, and that's not even necessary because of the user agent and update signatures associated with various operating systems.
Because my tethering/hotspot usage is low compared to my normal usage (multiple gigabytes per month of podcasts and streaming audio usage), I don't think Sprint will care nearly so much about a few megs of tethering usage, but I also don't want to lose the good deal I have on my Sprint account. Thanks all for the feedback. I really wish I had some insight from a Sprint insider.
mikeyinid said:
So you think att or verizon will just send someone a letter or text saying "we know your tethering, knock it off" without REALLY knowing? Sounds like bad business to me.
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Do you really want me to answer that question? lol
wvufan said:
bkrodgers is right. I don't know if Sprint does monitor, hence my question, but there are ways to look at the packets being sent to identify the source with reasonable accuracy. In addition to things like the user agent on browsers, which can be overridden but will give you away most of the time, there are other ways. There are well known network analysis tools that can look at the way low-level network negotiations work and accurately identify the specific version and operating system of a computer, and that's not even necessary because of the user agent and update signatures associated with various operating systems.
Because my tethering/hotspot usage is low compared to my normal usage (multiple gigabytes per month of podcasts and streaming audio usage), I don't think Sprint will care nearly so much about a few megs of tethering usage, but I also don't want to lose the good deal I have on my Sprint account. Thanks all for the feedback. I really wish I had some insight from a Sprint insider.
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I really don't know if they can tell or not but I haven't really seen evidence that they actually can besides knowing the market apps you get or ridiculous usage.
When you tether via Android it's the same kinda concept as having a wireless router. [no, it is not the same exact thing]
Can your ISP tell you have a router?
Because routers have a firewall built-in, usually.
But that's not applicable to tether apps.
Furthermore, even I have received the Sprint text message about the tether charge and I have never tethered.
I'm *not* saying is or isn't capable of telling if you're tethering, I just want some proof.
Edit: I just thought of a *possible way* they could tell.
MAC Addresses.
If there are multiple MAC addresses that are using your connection that would give it away right there.
Is that what's going on? No proof.
I should clarify that I'm not saying I believe Sprint is actually using anything like what I described. Though I wouldn't rule out Verizon and AT&T...they seem to know. For some reason I think Sprint's less evil, which might be naive. But they also seem to be less concerned about how much data people are using.
I don't think it's true that Sprint doesn't care if you tether though. If they didn't, they wouldn't be having manufacturers strip it out of their ROMs, and they wouldn't be selling a $30/month add-on. But that doesn't mean they care enough to go to the trouble I describe. At least not at this point.
I think they may have used data usage as an indicator in the past, but with streaming HD videos, music, and all sorts of other data heavy apps, it's easily possible to go past a couple GB with legit phone-only usage. At this point they'd need to go to something more sophisticated, and I don't think Sprint's concerned at that level.
mattykinsx said:
Edit: I just thought of a *possible way* they could tell.
MAC Addresses.
If there are multiple MAC addresses that are using your connection that would give it away right there.
Is that what's going on? No proof.
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Actually, I think they can only see the MAC address of the device directly connected to their network. Your ISP just sees your router's MAC address (though most routers have the ability to spoof the MAC address of the machine you were originally setup on, if your cable company requires that). Since your phone is basically the router, they'd just see the phone's MAC address.
But regardless, it still just comes down to whether they care enough to invest in a system to detect that. One way or the other, it can be done with pretty good accuracy if they really wanted to.
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So there are a bunch of threads out there addressing this issue but after searching for a couple hours I can't seem to find a definitive answer.
I have the Nexus 4 from the Google Play store. I am rooted and running cm10.1. I have the prepaid $30 100min unlimited text unlimited data (5gb high speed) plan. I was tethering periodically with my Nexus 4 using the built in cm10.1 functionality just fine and the BAM tmobile up sell page telling me to pay for tethering (using google chrome browser which I basically can't live without). WTF??? I thought the main point of getting the phone from google was NO CARRIER BS?!
Anyways, enough with my rant. I searched a bunch of forums and googled all the user string agent switcher and APN blah blah blah but haven't had any success. I would consider myself computer savvy and all but I know a bunch of you guys are a lot smarter than me and could help me out.
Can someone help me out with a workaround for dummies solution that I could easily follow? How to really change the user agent without using mobile sites on my desktop would be nice. I just need the step by step guide.
Much thanks in advance!!
1. press the link that they provide
2. pay for the tethering service
3. youll never waste your time running around trying to find solutions.
simms22 said:
1. press the link that they provide
2. pay for the tethering service
3. youll never waste your time running around trying to find solutions.
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Man I am soo stupid and you are so smart...why didn't I think of that before?
Thanks!
mctylermore said:
Man I am soo stupid and you are so smart...why didn't I think of that before?
Thanks!
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i think its sarcasm, but cant tell :silly:
Tethering is specifically prohibited by the terms of use you agreed to with your plan.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using xda app-developers app
mctylermore said:
...the BAM tmobile up sell page telling me to pay for tethering (using google chrome browser which I basically can't live without). WTF??? I thought the main point of getting the phone from google was NO CARRIER BS?!
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As powerful they may seem Google can't tell your carrier how to charge you. I thought the point of getting from Google was (price point?) having the ability to put any sim card YOU choose.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using xda premium
^^^^^^ Exactly. Yes, you bought the phone unlocked off contract, but you signed a plan contract so you still have to do what it says. Buying this phone from Google meant that you didn't get a bloated OS and that you didn't have to sign/resign a two year agreement plan. The phone and where you got it from is irrelevant. Your plan is through T-Mobile, so you still belong to them and still have to play by their rules until you leave them. You agreed to the terms of the plan (including the fact that tethering will cost you extra) so if you should be upset with anyone, it's yourself for not paying attention. I'm not trying to be an ass, just showing you how the real world works. Welcome to it. You can't escape it. You just gotta man up, pull your britches down and bend over and take it.
mctylermore said:
So there are a bunch of threads out there addressing this issue but after searching for a couple hours I can't seem to find a definitive answer.
I have the Nexus 4 from the Google Play store. I am rooted and running cm10.1. I have the prepaid $30 100min unlimited text unlimited data (5gb high speed) plan. I was tethering periodically with my Nexus 4 using the built in cm10.1 functionality just fine and the BAM tmobile up sell page telling me to pay for tethering (using google chrome browser which I basically can't live without). WTF??? I thought the main point of getting the phone from google was NO CARRIER BS?!
Anyways, enough with my rant. I searched a bunch of forums and googled all the user string agent switcher and APN blah blah blah but haven't had any success. I would consider myself computer savvy and all but I know a bunch of you guys are a lot smarter than me and could help me out.
Can someone help me out with a workaround for dummies solution that I could easily follow? How to really change the user agent without using mobile sites on my desktop would be nice. I just need the step by step guide.
Much thanks in advance!!
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Use chrome and install a User Agent Switcher then change your user agent to Android and you'll never see that page again.
dc211 said:
Use chrome and install a User Agent Switcher then change your user agent to Android and you'll never see that page again.
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Thanks. That works OK but is therea way to avoid getting the mobile version of gmail, Facebook, YouTube, etc? I know I'm being picky.
Remove the ".M."
in address bar.
Screwed by Google. Canceled ICS upgrade on my Moto Photon. No Wow for us.