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Problems with picking up Sat's. Please help!!

Ive tried tomtom, nav4all and Igo and cant get any of them to pick up a satellite. They will all find my location or pretty close to though
Im using htc touch vogue, sprint with wm 6.1
I can get between 5 and 7 sat's using google maps, windows live search and sprint nav in about 10 seconds.
i have my phone set for comm4 and 4800 baud. under the "external gps icon". theres none for internal.
Igo has any auto detect and it just sits at "scanning communication ports" and automatically goes to port 9.... i set the ports myself in igo, try to find the gps and it still goes to port 9.
Anyone have any idea why i cant get any of the good gps programs to pick up a sat?
should i flash the rom again and start from scratch?
I also have iguidance as a primer..not to sure if its working. i click the icon and nothing happens.
Thanks in advance for any help!!!

I use GPS Launcher and TomTom with absolutely no problems with your exact settings. I actually didn't change anything in the config on the PPC or in the TomTom app itself. Left everything on default settings.
Without the Primer installed and running first, it never seemed to work.
Your GPS seems to be working if you are getting Live and Google to run it...Don't think you should really need to re-install the ROM update.
Did you run your free 15day of Sprint Nav. Is that working like a champ?

Thanks for the reply
Sprint nav works perferctly...I would use it but im not paying the money they want. I would rather buy a puck..
Im using the primer. i click on it but nothing happens. not to sure if anything is supposed to launch though.. Pretty much new at all this.
Cant figure it out.... Everyone else that using this phone i read has the nav working. I dont know what else to do but to try and reload wm 6.1 and start from scratch.. dont really have anything special on my phone but #'s

One quick thought...
Should I unlock my phone???
Also, I have GPS launcher and that fails to detect as well...
at the "Qucik GPS can speed up the time for determining you gps satellite position via internet connection (such as gprs, activesync, etc.." i try to download and it fails right away. . After the 6.1 upgrade i cant connect to the internet with the data cable connected and i have no idea how to use my phone as a modem.

maddogMACREE said:
Thanks for the reply
Sprint nav works perferctly...I would use it but im not paying the money they want. I would rather buy a puck..
Im using the primer. i click on it but nothing happens. not to sure if anything is supposed to launch though.. Pretty much new at all this.
Cant figure it out.... Everyone else that using this phone i read has the nav working. I dont know what else to do but to try and reload wm 6.1 and start from scratch.. dont really have anything special on my phone but #'s
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I definitely wasn't suggesting to buy the Sprint Nav. That's just silly...
Download the QVGA-Black Repack3, and the GPS Launcher.
This is currently configured to Prime the GPS and Launch TomTom; both of which are located here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2439623&postcount=34
and here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1862619&postcount=1
You shouldn't have any problems with these two.
L8R

OK....unlocked the phone. updated rom with OJ's custom..
Tried to install tomtom now my maps are screwed. its not asking me for the code to unlock. Anyone know where i can get maps for Mass to try?
Installed igo, of course it failed to pick up the sat.. but it will pick up my location and will give me a simulation of the route i have to take....sat is still crossed out!
No issues with live or google maps picking up my location
I dont f'n get it...Do i have the same phone eveyone else is using with these programs? Are people using a gps receiver ie;puck for this to work?
it says my phone is vogu100 under identity..
Rom ver: 3.03.651.4
Radio 3.42.30

no internal gps on tp2

hey folks,
trying to get my internal gps working now for days and it a no go for my.
tryed the next software for it and they all came up black. (no fix, no gps found, com poort not open, nmea error.)
- htc gps tool
- sex1 gps tool
- gps tuner 5, 5.3, 6.
- google maps
- trackmyrun
i,m running out of ideas, could it be the rom i,m using.
gr.
gunz

Are you running a stock ROM ? If not, did your GPS work on the stock ROM ?
If your GPS has never worked then it may well be a hardware problem. But if it used to work and stopped with a cooked ROM, then there was a version of WM where GPS support was broken.

Google maps also needs internet connection, you have one? Also try with a navigation software like TomTom or Igo, in Igo you have to let the software discover the port used.

i have seen one or twice the gps icon.
futher al apps keep searching for it.
i,m on a stock rom 1.88.404.3 (67102) NLD
i will have a go with Igo.
thx sofar

You could also try:
Chartcross GPStest.
Go sit next to a road so that it is easier to get a signal...
And it might take a few minutes until it got a fix.
And if you have a data connection (like T-Mobile web 'n walk), enable A-GPS in your settings. Good luck

If it helps you, the GPS port is 4 and the speed is 38400, in Igo you cann set it yourself or let the software find it

thx for the advice guys,
but i fried my rom yesterday, i believe that was the problem all along.
so i,m gona seek for a new rom, don,t now cooked or vanila.
i will post here if the gps wil function then.
laterzzz

If you are searching for a new rom try the Phoenix 2 rom from NRGZ.
It is also available in Christmas theme
And it comes with many gps settings and apps.

k k,
i wil have a go with it, downing it now.
i wil report back on howe it went.
gunz
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update:
flashed to Phoenix 2.
gps is working like a charme
lots of goody,s in this rom.
thx.
laterzz

touch hd gps

Hi
i have read in a few other posts regarding GPS issues and Sat Nav software not working
now i have seen a few programs that 'kick off' the GPS and then runs the program and i have run these to no avail,
i was wondering if anyone else has not only had this issue but struggled to get it working, google maps seems to pick me up via GPS but tomtom is saying 'no gps device' go into settings within tomtom and set to internal gps device, and check gps status and no cannot see any satellites. i have had the phone outside inthe line of sight of the sky for an hour so me being inpatient isn't the issue, any help would be greatly appreciated
ta

Try this:
http://handheld.softpedia.com/get/GPS/GPS-Test-34335.shtml
Update QuickGPS.
If no satellites show up after a max of 5mins of you standing outside with clear view of the sky, then you either need to flash another radio or the gps is dead.

hi
thanks
have left phone outside running that, seems to be scanning com1-9..pausing for a second on port 3 then continuing. will let you know in 10 mins, what is flashing another radio involve?
ta

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=466274

ok stupid question time, but if it google maps seems to be working ok would that not suggest that the GPS radio is ok, and secondly if i did flash which one would i go for on that link you sent
i have radio version 1.09.25.14 protocol 52.49a.25.261u
there is a link
Download 1.09.25.14 / 52.49a.25.26W Radio only Megepload
Download HD_Blackstone_Radio 1.09.25.14 (with RUU) 4shared
am i flashing this even though my protocol is different?
and there is about another 10 files below all them called
Blackstone Rilphone.dll Cabs
all confusing can you help any more please
thanks

I don't believe anything google maps says in relation to GPS after it told me one of my non GPS phones had inbuilt gps, and then calculated my position using the mobile phone network.
As for which you need, well it depends on which rom you are running, whether it's a stock rom (bog-standard rom you get on device when you buy it), or a custom cooked rom from someone on the forums. I suggest you read up on it thoroughly then post in the correct radio thread if you want to ask any more questions regarding the right radio version you need.

fair do's
thanks

Did you have google maps open when you started Tomtom? That may have caused an error

hi
thanks for reply, no i open google maps it seems to find my location. close google maps, then open tomtom and is saying no gps device. the 'onboard' gps device is set on tomtom options it's just as if the gps reciever isn't picking up, same in other sat nav progams too, garmin is the same so makes me think is phone not software issue

AFAIK, Google Maps is A-GPS software, while TomTom, iGO and others are full GPS software.
Don't know about TomTom, but iGO DOES NOT work if A-GPS is enabled...

hmmmm. i'll give it a whirl, not got the phone withme at the mo, a mate is attempting to simunock it, agps is enabled so i will disable it see if that helps. tempted to get rid and get an effing iphone at this rate

Let us know how you go....
Don't give up, it;s a great phone

had the same issue with tomtom v7.450. using tomtom v7.916 now and it's running like charm

Just had replacement Touch HD delivered from Orange this morning, flashed to my usual ROM, and get exactly the same symptoms as Pete did.....
Tried:
TomTom
Memory map
HTC GPS Tool
Updating QuickGPS
Updating Radio ROM to latest version
Reflashing different OS roms
nothing makes a difference.
Not really keen to take it apart as i'll break the VOID sticker and probably end up in an argument with Orange, but Id bet any money that the GPS cable has come loose......so frustrating as im working abroad as of next week and i'll really use the GPS a lot......
Also just found out that the replacement handset is "refurb".....I bet the muppet that refurbed it didnt reconnect the GPS cable

SLOW GPS FIX in android

Could someone Tell me why GPS fix is so slow (with every android build yet)?? most times it takes 5-10 Minutes to find satellites with googlemaps /copilot .. is this a Known issue ?? My location is the Netherlands..
Do i need to set the something in the startup.txt ?

Get gps status from the market to download satellite information for a quicker fix, mine works in a matter of seconds

Even with GPS status.. the thing takes a long time to get a lock

Try the solution presented here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=738982 and report.

What did the trick to me was:
1. Updating QuickGPS, on WinMO;
2. Installing GPS Status and downloading assistance data:
::: Settings&Configuration : GPS&Sensors: Manage AGPS data.
I am getting consistently fast locks now But what made the difference this time was updating QuickGPS on WinMo... Check my sig for details on my setup.

luigipirex said:
What did the trick to me was:
1. Updating QuickGPS, on WinMO;
2. Installing GPS Status and downloading assistance data:
::: Settings&Configuration : GPS&Sensors: Manage AGPS data.
I am getting consistently fast locks now But what made the difference this time was updating QuickGPS on WinMo... Check my sig for details on my setup.
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i think updating quickgps in winmo is useless for android. if this would help, it would mean that winmo and android access/have/share the same storage on the device for storing satellite data. winmo would store this in nand...

hebbe said:
i think updating quickgps in winmo is useless for android. if this would help, it would mean that winmo and android access/have/share the same storage on the device for storing satellite data. winmo would store this in nand...
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It certainly isn't useless, as many users have reported this as a solution. For me, it was the solution that definitely worked. I've tried every other method, including editing gps.conf file, using GPS status, etc, and the results weren't consistent. But after I updated my QuickGPS on WinMo, I have been getting consistent results, every time I try, as short as 5 seconds to get me a lock.
As you should know, some settings in WinMo still affect your hardware in Android: e.g., look at the "calibrate g-sensor in WinMo" recommendation. I think this is also the case with GPS.

But! what you can do in wimo is also possible in Android: getting AGPS... with GPS status..
so getting Agps information is not the problem here..
Possibility's
The radio ? with some radios with my winmo devices it took 5 minuts to get 6 satelites and with other radios (like blackstone 13.32.24xxx) it took 10 seconds to get 11 satelites .. in 10 seconds..
So I really think its Radio related..
Or the gps sensor isn't working 100% correctly..
Shouldn't we test some radio's for best gps performance.,

What is radio blackstone 13.32.24xxx??? never heard of it before.

luigipirex said:
What did the trick to me was:
1. Updating QuickGPS, on WinMO;
2. Installing GPS Status and downloading assistance data:
::: Settings&Configuration : GPS&Sensors: Manage AGPS data.
I am getting consistently fast locks now But what made the difference this time was updating QuickGPS on WinMo... Check my sig for details on my setup.
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Worked for me, thanks !! (it now locks in less than 10 sec, in comparison to several minutes before updating quickgps in Winmo).
The problem with some people in this forum is that they have to be smart ass, they will argue with you that there is no logic in your fix, even though it works. Too bad for them.

fstluxe said:
But! what you can do in wimo is also possible in Android: getting AGPS... with GPS status..
so getting Agps information is not the problem here..
Possibility's
The radio ? with some radios with my winmo devices it took 5 minuts to get 6 satelites and with other radios (like blackstone 13.32.24xxx) it took 10 seconds to get 11 satelites .. in 10 seconds..
So I really think its Radio related..
Or the gps sensor isn't working 100% correctly..
Shouldn't we test some radio's for best gps performance.,
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I've tried different radios and that didn't to absolutely anything to the GPS performance on Android. QuickGPS, on the other hand, gave me results. Even just using GPS Status didn't do anything for me.
By the way, A-GPS and QuickGPS assistance data are different things. QuickGPS can be useful to you even if you don't any signal when you are using GPS on your handset (if, of course, you have downloaded before your assistance data and it's up-to-date). To use A-GPS, you need to have signal...
Why don't your try this solution and see for yourself? You just have to update QuickGPS on WinMo. If you are using a light WinMo ROM, with no QuickGPS, try a regular stock or cooked ROM. The latest ChuckyDroid is a lite version, but has QuickGPS, though.
Try it, and then tell us if it worked for you.
Noam23 said:
Worked for me, thanks !! (it now locks in less than 10 sec, in comparison to several minutes before updating quickgps in Winmo).
The problem with some people in this forum is that they have to be smart ass, they will argue with you that there is no logic in your fix, even though it works. Too bad for them.
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I am very glad it worked for you! I was doubtful when I first read this solution... but it does work wonders!

luigipirex said:
It certainly isn't useless, as many users have reported this as a solution. For me, it was the solution that definitely worked. I've tried every other method, including editing gps.conf file, using GPS status, etc, and the results weren't consistent. But after I updated my QuickGPS on WinMo, I have been getting consistent results, every time I try, as short as 5 seconds to get me a lock.
As you should know, some settings in WinMo still affect your hardware in Android: e.g., look at the "calibrate g-sensor in WinMo" recommendation. I think this is also the case with GPS.
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some settings in winmo affect your hardware in android 'cause winmo is used to initialize the hardware, so that it has a certain state when booting android. this is due to the fact that our android drivers cannot initialize hardware (yet), so winmo is needed.
why should starting quickgps in winmo help in android? as far as i know all that quickgps does is downloading satellite position information to help the gps driver to fasten up the calculation of the current position in case of a cold fix.
if this would help in android, it would mean that the satellite data is some kind of stored *inside* the gps chip. otherwise andoid wouldn't be able to access the position data (orbit) of the satellites.
or am i completely wrong? if so, please help me and correct it...i'm just curious

hebbe said:
why should starting quickgps in winmo help in android? as far as i know all that quickgps does is downloading satellite position information to help the gps driver to fasten up the calculation of the current position in case of a cold fix.
if this would help in android, it would mean that the satellite data is some kind of stored *inside* the gps chip. otherwise andoid wouldn't be able to access the position data (orbit) of the satellites.
or am i completely wrong? if so, please help me and correct it...i'm just curious
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This is correct. The satellite data is stored inside the GPS chip (this is written in the help file of the "GPS status" app).
It could be that because the android drivers are lacking in the HD2, we can only read from the GPS but not write (this is why updating the satellites work from WinMo but not from Android. because android can't write to the GPS chip).

Noam23 said:
This is correct. The satellite data is stored inside the GPS chip (this is written in the help file of the "GPS status" app).
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thanks for your reply!
ok, then some kind of "quickgps" for android would help too...
so winmo is not necessary/needed for gps to work properly.

Noam23 said:
This is correct. The satellite data is stored inside the GPS chip (this is written in the help file of the "GPS status" app).
It could be that because the android drivers are lacking in the HD2, we can only read from the GPS but not write (this is why updating the satellites work from WinMo but not from Android. because android can't write to the GPS chip).
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Thats a Good Point!

Holy Cow it worked! I mean it works!
Who can argue with that?

Sat data is input to gps chip. And the data is usually good for 7 days.
So if you use quickgps in winmo to update sat data, it will also make gps fast in android too at least a week.
gps status app in android also has the ability to download sat data, but quickgps in winmo seems better.
DON'T THINK ABOUT LOGIC. JUST TRY IT. IF you now a place where winmo gps works very fast, get a gps lock under winmo and then boot android. You will see that Android now gets a lock in seconds too.
Most people have problems with gps because their gps.conf file is empty, or they are not "really" in open air.
Gps will get a fix more difficult:
- If the weather is cloudy
- If there are buildings near you
- If you are actually inside a building
- If you are in a vehicle and vehicle is moving fast.
- If you don't have the assistance data in your gps chip.
- If you force your gps chip to do a cold start (instead of hot or warm start)
- If you don't have a working reliable internet connection (to download satellite data to aid in calculation)
- If you have an empty gps.conf file
Sometimes if I can't get a gps lock quickly, before blaming Android I reboot to winmo and see it doesn't always get a fast lock. Environment is a huge factor. So before thinking it is an Android problem, reboot to winmo use quickgps to download sat data and wait for a accurate fix in google maps or similar app. (google maps will first get your location from google location server which is usually only accurate to several hundred meters. Make sure you wait for the actual lock with a few meters of accuracy.
Since you "have to" load winmo before android (as no nand boot exists yet) just download sat data every few days before launching haret. It would be a good idea to get a fix and then launch haret.

The trick with quickgps also works in my device. Now android is almost perfect. Camera, gps work, no freeze. I only want 720p playback.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

This theory makes me wonder.
Why is there a xtra.bin in the windows folder?
If there was an issue with the GPS in winmo it was sometimes needed to delete that file and download it again via the quickgps tool.

I wish I could try the quickGPS solution but unfortunately I'm using a very light version of windows mobile and quickGPS wasn't included. I tried to download and install one but got the error message about it not being signed or trusted.
So I can't figure out how to run QuickGPS and take advantage of these fixes.

AGPS

I know this topic has been discussed previously, but I haven't been able to find the answer yet so here goes:
As I understand it, GPS is working in all/most sense and cm based builds however AGPS seems to be an issue all have in common. From what I understand AGPS is just a helper function for quicker GPS locking so even though AGPS isnt working, you should still be able to get a lock.
Now, since before we got nand based ROMs for HD2 I used haret to load android from my SD card. Back then I used GPS depended applications like c:geo for geocaching and car navigation progs, as well as progs for finding nearest resturant when I visit other cities/countries.
Been a while since I had the need for it, but recently with the nice weather geocaching for example have become an interest. What I see now is that none of the ginger/cm/non-sense builds I have tried have given me a GPS lock. I have tried the GPS fixes, flashed Norway.zip for tweaking my gps.conf, installed gps-status but no chance in getting a lock. and yes, I have been giving it quite some time, outdoors.
Anyone else having these problems? I see from screenshots on for example the HyperDroidCM7 ROM that you can get a lock, so its not a problem for everybody. Is my assumption on what AGPS is, correct? Any worarounds to get GPS functionality working? Strange to have these problems now, since it worked kinda well before
EDIT: tried now with [10.MAR.11][CWM] RAFDROID HD 4.0.2|Fastest Full DesHD|DATA2EXT|[Rafpigna 1.8 OC], still no lock

There's no driver support for AGPS, so the best we can do for now is to tweak our gps.conf and use gps status. If you can't get a lock at all, it could be a HW problem. If geocaching is a necessity for you, you could go back to WM and sd Android, use WM to grab AGPS data, then boot into Android.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

I use that rom, but the 4.0 (really not much of a difference for me between the 4.0 and 4.0.2), and I always have a lock quickly.
1) Did you try installing the GPSFix.0.1 apk file and running it? that downloads a criticial file xtra.bin into your data folder.
Also try the 1.2 files and see if you have any luck, because I know in the 4.0 of Rafdroid, the gps works very well.

Same as Angeldeath, I use Rafdroid and it works ok.
Mine was faulty a couple of weeks ago and HTC warranty had to swap the board (and also did the screen, keys etc). In the end it would still lock but after a while it would freez or have no reception anymore.
But to be honest I don't like the GPS receiver at all in the HD2. There are numerous tests and other people to back me up on the tremendous jitter the receiver has which makes you jump all over the place.
A nice test is to place it in the car and switch on the cruiscontrol at 100km/h, or even worse at 180km/h. The thing will jump atleast 10% in speed.
When I need to drive or walk long trips I use my iBlue 747A+ 66 Ch Bluetooth GPS Logger which you can buy cheap on ebay.
That thing logs, is fast, deadly accurate and with the free 'bluetooth gps' on the market you can even use it on the HD2

huggs said:
There's no driver support for AGPS, so the best we can do for now is to tweak our gps.conf and use gps status. If you can't get a lock at all, it could be a HW problem. If geocaching is a necessity for you, you could go back to WM and sd Android, use WM to grab AGPS data, then boot into Android.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
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The AGPS thing on WM and then booting into Android is a myth, there's an extenvise work being done to make AGPS work on Android for our HD2s, but they have not managed to get it working yet.
Android on our HD2 simply doesnt have any commands to load AGPS, and the chip itself doesnt save any data. In the remote case it saved anything, there's nothing on the GPS Driver itself to read it
Quick tip to get your GPS to work:
Load Google Maps, let it try to get a lock, if after 1 or 2 mins it doesnt get any lock force close the app, turn off then back on the GPS and reload Google Maps. If you still cant get a lock, let it sit for at least 5 mins, then Force Close it again.
after that it should get you a lock in less than 10 secs.
Easiest way to FC it is enabling the "hold back to FC app" option on CM builds.