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[Q] Camera on 2.1

the cam in the 1.6 version is really horrible and very slow. ist that better in the 2.1 version? Thanx

stalker1981 said:
the cam in the 1.6 version is really horrible and very slow. ist that better in the 2.1 version? Thanx
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I am running the 1.6 and i would say the camera is very good better than any camera i ever had on any HTC device. But the camera is a lot better in 2.1 i have read

lufc said:
I am running the 1.6 and i would say the camera is very good better than any camera i ever had on any HTC device. But the camera is a lot better in 2.1 i have read
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well I have HD2 also, and the cam is pretty good. but on the 1.6 of my Streak is the shutter lag really terrible. much slower as of the HD2...and the flash is very poor... If the quality doesnt get better in 2.1 i will have to send the Streak back

Does anyone know if the dell streak will allow you to keep the flash on while recording video? Any difference in this from 1.6 vs 2.1 or if it makes a difference?
Also, I know it's off topic but can you watch youtube videos in HQ in the youtube app?

The camera has been improved, but not by much. At least it's usable now though.
The 720p filming is pretty damn good though
and yes, you can watch HQ videos in the youtube app.

Meltus said:
The camera has been improved, but not by much. At least it's usable now though.
The 720p filming is pretty damn good though
and yes, you can watch HQ videos in the youtube app.
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Thanks Meltus, How about having the flash on while recording video. I know that is mainly a froyo thing but some devices with 2.1 have implimented it so though it may be possible on a new device. One can dream..
Also, was the 720p only added with the 2.1 update?
I have also heard horror stories about the keyboard on 2.1. That is probably the only thing keeping me from forcing this update. How do you like the keyboard with the 2.1 update?

The camera is slightly better, but the app is now hideous. It really is ugly and far less usable. However we should remember the leaked ROM is beta at best, its not an official release.

Raspster said:
Thanks Meltus, How about having the flash on while recording video. I know that is mainly a froyo thing but some devices with 2.1 have implimented it so though it may be possible on a new device. One can dream..
Also, was the 720p only added with the 2.1 update?
I have also heard horror stories about the keyboard on 2.1. That is probably the only thing keeping me from forcing this update. How do you like the keyboard with the 2.1 update?
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No, there's no flash (will probably come with 2.2) and they've also got rid of the zoom-before-you-film, which is annoying.
Yes, 720p was only added with the 2.1 beta leak.
They keyboard isn't as bad as everyone says, whilst it is a HUGE step backwards it is still usable (i use swype anyway, so it doesn't bother me).
But the camera layout is now dreadful, because when you go into the settings menu and select something, you cannot then go back to change something else, you have to close the settings menu then re-open it, which is VERY annoying.

Played with a Galaxy S. Smooth but why?

I played with a Samsung Galaxy S (Bell phone at a Canadian Best Buy) and I was amazed at how fluid all the menus were. Everything was so smooth. "Smooth" is the word I want to use because I'm not sure how else to explain it.
To use a video game analogy it looked like it was running at 60 fps vs 30 fps. So it wasn't faster...but smoother.
I'm trying to figure out why it's so much smoother than the X10.
Is it the screen? (Super AMOLED)
Is it the A8 processor?
Is it Android 2.1?
Any ideas?

Maybe a combination of the OS 2.1 and the GPU advantage over the X10. I personally think it is mainly the GPU performance over the X10.

Is the 2.1 and Samsung customization.

Is 'fluid' the word you're looking for?
Sent from my x10 using XDA and swype.

One of my mates has a galaxy s and another has a nexus one. I find both of these phones to be equally "fluid" and as the nexus one has very similar specifications to the x10 I am more inclined to say that it is all to do with the firmware.
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mainly it's because of 2.1 firmware!
I'm eager to see 2.1 or even 2.2 on X10.especially with SE customizations an UI.

untill you've owned one for a while.
every phone seems great the first time you use it. I used a desire running froyo the other day and found it to be crap. scrolling was jittery, browser was slow when loading flash sites, and the ui was not intuitive in the least.
I really wish the samsung/htc trolls would stop clogging up our x10 thread.
mods, please close this thread, it's pointless

Ya, I think fluid is the right term. It was really nice. Not sure about the phone styling (still prefer the x10) but the "fluidity" was great.
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Contrarian said:
every phone seems great the first time you use it.
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This is part of it. The X10 was awesome in the store. get home, add a lot of apps, music, widgets, contacts and it tends to slow/studder a bit. I'm not sure if other phones are like that too - but a bare phone in the store always seems to be fast/smooth.

you prob played with an extremely "clean" phone. I mean how many apps? how many contacts? did u happen to try the gps ?
any phone (even my htc s710) runs nice out of the box, but fill it with apps, contacts, background tasks, etc start running it will slow down.
as well, im sure the firmware will have something to do with the speed

AdamUpNorth said:
To use a video game analogy it looked like it was running at 60 fps vs 30 fps. So it wasn't faster...but smoother.
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Because that's EXACTLY the case.
Everything on the X10 runs at 30fps max.

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Because that's EXACTLY the case.
Everything on the X10 runs at 30fps max.
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i do not see the relevance?
since a Blu-Ray movie has 1080p res and 24 FPS.

I can tell you from experience that once you've loaded up a decent amount of things on the Captivate that it's not so fast. It plays games well still, but the system gets pretty laggy.

Hmm, well ive used a galaxy s too, i didnt notice a difference, but since the update to 026 my phone has been super smooth anyway. No lag or jitters at all...

Hey Galaxy S Experts>> Can you help me?

Alright fellas! pls don't shoot me if im repeating a common question, im currently using an HTC Desire & my friends are telling me that their galaxy S i9000 is better. I've done my research & I kinda like it but there is alot of negative vibe cus of the gps & video calling features.
I have 4 questions:
a. Is video calling practical both on wifi/3g? And what apps can we use to make video calls((Skype, Fring, Tango, gtalk{ve used gtalk video calling on my N900}))?
b. Is the internal memory(RAM) is sufficient for apps?
c. And does it gives problem for gps locking using maps.?
D>> Would you buy Galaxy S over HTC Desire, keep in mind desire has a solid Sense UI?
Im ready to make a move but im much concerned before i make a move, Im quite happy with my desire. You help is much appreciated. thanks.

I compared my SGS with my friend's Desire the other day, when he was doing something with his HTC and he said "hey download this and that..." and I was embarrased that my SGS was so laggy (seconds to open maps, to respond to touch, pinch...) and also the GPS worked like a charm, when with my SGS I want to throw the phone to someone because it doesn't get a lock D
But don't worry, I disabled some applications and widgets from Beautiful Widgets and it's as fast as a lightning. I think it's the file system so you need a lag fix, you can download from here DDDD
I'm running stock Froyo JPO. People here are running JPZ and custom ROMs and they perform way better and have better GPS.
The screen is way better than Desire, and the processor/GPU too.

sammy_user said:
I compared my SGS with my friend's Desire the other day, when he was doing something with his HTC and he said "hey download this and that..." and I was embarrased that my SGS was so laggy (seconds to open maps, to respond to touch, pinch...) and also the GPS worked like a charm, when with my SGS I want to throw the phone to someone because it doesn't get a lock D
But don't worry, I disabled some applications and widgets from Beautiful Widgets and it's as fast as a lightning. I think it's the file system so you need a lag fix, you can download from here DDDD
I'm running stock Froyo JPO. People here are running JPZ and custom ROMs and they perform way better and have better GPS.
The screen is way better than Desire, and the processor/GPU too.
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Thanks for the input my friend but you didnt asnwer my questions.

I dont thinnk it worths givng all this money just for a little better screen...There is very few things that Desire cant do but SGS can and those things dot worth 400 euroes..

fring works for me on 3g and wifi both very good
b.no u can never have enough ram but i barrely see force closes it is enough to doesn't getting annoying
c.gps works, ,ok'' for me but it sure has some problems for some
d yes any day the display blows ur mind two of my coworker have the desire one oled the other slcd in my oppinion the difference is huge
beside of that my sgs is alot faster but there phones aren't modded so u can't compare that.... beside of that the desire has a better build quality imo
but if u have a desire don't get the sgs it isn't worth it

gbohm said:
fring works for me on 3g and wifi both very good
b.no u can never have enough ram but i barrely see force closes it is enough to doesn't getting annoying
c.gps works, ,ok'' for me but it sure has some problems for some
d yes any day the display blows ur mind two of my coworker have the desire one oled the other slcd in my oppinion the difference is huge
beside of that my sgs is alot faster but there phones aren't modded so u can't compare that.... beside of that the desire has a better build quality imo
but if u have a desire don't get the sgs it isn't worth it
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alright! so 3 votes agaisnt SGS...
just need 2 more votes and im done. ill stick to desire

Unless you need 720p recording, or are rich, you are using a device which is the same generation device as the SGS anyway.. Why do you think it makes sense to upgrade?

I think you are wrong about the telus or i9000t it is na 3g and has a front facing camera.. look at the ones at newegg.com and xpansys-usa.com

Auzy said:
Unless you need 720p recording, or are rich, you are using a device which is the same generation device as the SGS anyway.. Why do you think it makes sense to upgrade?
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Xperia X10... How BAD can it be?!

In my urge to find something "different" I'm considering purchasing an X10, but all the reviews say it's just terrible...
Honestly, how bad can it be? Is this just tainted blood from when it was first released on 1.6? Am I wrong in thinking that it's a very usable device, either with the latest updates, or on a rom from the dev section?

I'd say wait another month when it gets Gingerbread and look for reviews then.
Right now, I wouldn't recommend buying it, no matter what custom rom you put on it. There are better phones you can get with the same price.
Ofcourse, I love the design, camera, UI, etc but the screen is so unbelievably bad right now, it goes over anything else

What do you mean the screen is bad? Response or the image on the screen?

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I'd say wait another month when it gets Gingerbread and look for reviews then.
Right now, I wouldn't recommend buying it, no matter what custom rom you put on it. There are better phones you can get with the same price.
Ofcourse, I love the design, camera, UI, etc but the screen is so unbelievably bad right now, it goes over anything else
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The screen isnt that bad at all. And theres always gonna be better devices for the same price no matter what device you have. There are better devices, but how much are you willing to spend?
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Seems they're easily had in the 150 dollar range used...

ClubDownforce said:
Seems they're easily had in the 150 dollar range used...
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Yes...but how much are you willing to spend on a phone? And what's the important features you want?
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Mr Patchy Patch said:
Yes...but how much are you willing to spend on a phone? And what's the important features you want?
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I totally agree.
Most of the people that reviewed the x10 used it with Android 1.6.
IMHO, it's as bad as you think it is. But as Mr Patchy said what's the most important thing or feature do you want on a phone?
In my case, I just want a stylish, camera phone that has ANY Android OS in it be 1.6, 2.1 or 2.3, so with or without the GB update, I am quite satisfied.
Of course, any new features are welcome.

clixt said:
I totally agree.
Most of the people that reviewed the x10 used it with Android 1.6.
IMHO, it's as bad as you think it is. But as Mr Patchy said what's the most important thing or feature do you want on a phone?
In my case, I just want a stylish, camera phone that has ANY Android OS in it be 1.6, 2.1 or 2.3, so with or without the GB update, I am quite satisfied.
Of course, any new features are welcome.
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Well yes....but not 1.6. If you can remember 1.6 the screen was terrible!!! But since 2.1 SE adjusted colors and made it a very nice display imho. But, yes I to find it important to have a quality camera on my phone....big big reason why I ditched my nexus one for my very first X10. Then everything else just fell in place. I loved the phone the day i got it and never looked back....and that was when it was on 1.6 lol.
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I need a quality cam, reliable signal, decent battery life, and a usable messaging system, with an accurate keyboard.
That's about it.

Camera, signal, and battery life are just fine. It's not the fastest phone. It's still pretty laggy even when optimized. Things should really improve with the 2.3 upgrade but even with that, there are faster, more powerful, and featured phones out there.
For the average smartphone user, the major downside to this phone is the low in call volume. I've had to purchase a bluetooth speakerphone for the car (which is great actually). Taking a call in a loud environment is awful.

ClubDownforce said:
I need a quality cam, reliable signal, decent battery life, and a usable messaging system, with an accurate keyboard.
That's about it.
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Id say go for it. You dont sound to demanding, and you dont sound like you need the best of the best. The X10 is pretty pleasing in my experience.
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I've had my x10 since march. Ive had other droids before and an iphone as well but what i really needed was the great camera that the x10 does have. I've always read people having problems with low in call volume but I can say that i've never had that problem myself. I never used the phone with 1.6, when i got it the 2.1 update was already released, so i never experienced the dreadfulness (some say) that was the 1.6 rom.
The x10 is a very beautiful and stylish phone (specially the white one) with an outstanding camera, HD video and android. I can agree, that the rom (The SE one anyway) is not the fastest or more responsive thing on earth, but I don't find it too horrible either. now that it has the dual touch, the large display is a lot better to handle, even if not perfect.
I say go for it. try to find the one dubbed x10 HD (one that comes with 2.1 out of the box), because it is my understanding that it has a better display module that looks even better than the first x10s did.

Mr Patchy Patch said:
Well yes....but not 1.6. If you can remember 1.6 the screen was terrible!!! But since 2.1 SE adjusted colors and made it a very nice display imho. But, yes I to find it important to have a quality camera on my phone....big big reason why I ditched my nexus one for my very first X10. Then everything else just fell in place. I loved the phone the day i got it and never looked back....and that was when it was on 1.6 lol.
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Is it lol? I didn't know since I got the x10 HD.

clixt said:
Is it lol? I didn't know since I got the x10 HD.
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It was bad on 1.6. I have to admit. Most of my widgets looked like ****. And certain wallpapers i used were not tolerable. Since 2.1 dropped i havent had a single problem. Everything is nice and crisp. Consider yourself lucky lol
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Mr Patchy Patch said:
It was bad on 1.6. I have to admit. Most of my widgets looked like ****. And certain wallpapers i used were not tolerable. Since 2.1 dropped i havent had a single problem. Everything is nice and crisp. Consider yourself lucky lol
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What were the colors originally
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If you want to make calls with your phone DON'T buy a X10! The in-call volume still is the worst I ever experienced in my life. All those updates, hacks or custom kernels didn't change anything. When you aren't in a church or library understanding someone is a challenge.
Sent from my X10 using Tapatalk

One thing to consider is how long you plan to use this phone. The X10 Is about to receive android 2.3. This however will be the last official android upgrade that it will receive. I'm close to the end of a 2 year contract so this is not such an issue for me. Granted if you are planning to use a custom roms it won't be a big issue for you either.
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Willey1986 said:
If you want to make calls with your phone DON'T buy a X10! The in-call volume still is the worst I ever experienced in my life. All those updates, hacks or custom kernels didn't change anything. When you aren't in a church or library understanding someone is a challenge.
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get your carrier to repair it. I don't have this issue.
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It's stability ranges from no issue's at all to overheating, "usb & chipset" death.
Support from SE is very much lacking.
The x10 does not do well in low signal area's and will overheat and chew thru the battery on 3G.
The camera is nice but unfortunately lacks a flash.
The screen is great even with only 16Bit color.
It's upto you but i would suggest another handset.

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What were the colors originally
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Did you use the X10 on 1.6? There is a very big noticeable difference between 1.6 and 2.1. While they didnt give us 16m colors they did adjust the colors. Some of the same wallpapers and widgets i used then and now proove a massive difference. Not exactly sure how or what they did...but something was adjusted lol.
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OmegaRED^ said:
It's stability ranges from no issue's at all to overheating, "usb & chipset" death.
Support from SE is very much lacking.
The x10 does not do well in low signal area's and will overheat and chew thru the battery on 3G.
The camera is nice but unfortunately lacks a flash.
The screen is great even with only 16Bit color.
It's upto you but i would suggest another handset.
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Ive noticed in bad areas it has its problems...sometimes even drops my call. But i most certainly remember my old nexus one had a very similiar issue where i live. When i had the galaxy s i didnt experience such issue...but that was only like a week...and my samsung focus has been by far the greatest. Not a single issue no matter where ive been.
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Feedback on new AT&T ROM

So I installed it yesterday (and thanks to all those who helped).
I think the new ROM is FANTASTIC. Everything works for me, its faster than before and I have no lags. Im using Launcher Pro because the new Blur doesn't support scrolling widgets.
Battery is definitely better (turned on at 6am and had 15% at 6pn which us amazing for me).
Camera has been improved. Pictures look sharper and the colors no longer look weird. I owned an sgs2 and to me the pictures are just as good (and definitely better than the Sensation I owned for a bit). Its also much faster (put it in sport mode and virtually immediate).
Fingerprint reader works. Properly. Period.
Sound on speaker is excellent. Its still the best device on the market.
Sound on earpiece might be a little quieter. I am not certain on this but its something I noticed on my first call.
Gps lock is very quick. It was before too.
Software. Wow what a MASSIVE improvement. Email software is finally useable readable and possibly as good as Sense. Widgets are also better, like weather. Photo software and gallery better. MUSIC is a different application totally. I think I preferred the old one or just need to get used to it. Dialer is improved. Video playback is still great and again an area where this device excels over others I have owned. Animations also very cool. Top bar and notifications simply better than before. Entire color scheme is improved.
Stock keyboard is better but I still make a lot of mistakes when typing. HTC still make the best Android keyboard IMHO and I wish I could port the Sensation keyboard.
Overall its just more elegant and mire pleasurable ti use. For the first time I feel like its a device to show off. I really believe its the best device out there. Had Moto started out with this ROM it would have been considered a device as good as the HD2 in its day.
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I agree that Gingerbread by far is better than Froyo. My Atrix looks and runs so much better.
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I agree that Gingerbread by far is better than Froyo. My Atrix looks and runs so much better.
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After one day on gingerbread, I'd have to say the keyboard's the biggest improvement for me. An @ key without having to press alt first? Yes! Long press keys for numbers? Yes!

I agree. It's a fantastic upgrade and the new skin is slick....my only complaint is that homescreen scrolling isn't as fast as I expected. The forest LWP is a little slow, and pinch to zoom on stock camera gallery isn't as good as my previous phone or 3rd party market apps
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its is an amazing difference

before making the plunge I wud like to know from u guys about the screen gradient issues
is it solved??
like skin tones appeared really odd and washed out
I thot it was a software issue as the screen grabs also showed them on my PC
that was a big gripe for me but for the otherwise near perfect phone
and ya camera quality was also really poor

Are you talking about kenns?
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dunno whom u are asking but am still on froyo
wud love to hear that screen issues are solved
leaving aside the pentile issue as SGS also has pentile but looked better

Battery life is the biggest improvement forvmr
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I freakin love the new ROM. Thanks KP!

They have made a smart move by selecting a color scheme that greatly reduces the effect of the inherent technical limitations of a Pentile LCD! Its better than Froyo but I guess only because of the color scheme they have decided to go with!

Pat123 said:
They have made a smart move by selecting a color scheme that greatly reduces the effect of the inherent technical limitations of a Pentile LCD! Its better than Froyo but I guess only because of the color scheme they have decided to go with!
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Even if the color scheme didnt change its 10 times better. Im tired of the complaints about the phone, go get a different one and/or dont complain about this one. We dont care to hear it.

Loving the new rom so far. I do think the cardock app got worse (looks better, but fewer custom buttons). I love how you can uninstall apps using a long press from the app drawer.
I'm also looking forward to trying the ignore call, respond with text option.
Last thing, wish the default music app worked with Google Music Beta... installed the Google one instead.
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Overall, this seems to be working pretty fantastically for me except for a few things.
- Contact List can get REALLY slow sometimes. (15 seconds to load up a contact's information!)
- Unlocking (the screen, not the phone) can get slow, as well as Facebook and a few other apps. Haven't fully tested yet.
Is this happening to anyone else?

So far, i'm loving the new blur, everything is working fine for me.but i hope this is not the final blur version, because i was watching a demo of blur for droid3 on youtube it looks a little bit better then this. The swipe between screens was different and the quick contact widget was different and more useful.

are you sure about the battery life part.. i got a bad battery life thats the reason why i flashed it back to froyo 2.2.2 ( 1.83 sbf ) .. if you are also using kenneth's beta release >> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1159385
and if u also talking abotu kenneth's beta one. fingerprint reader doesn't work for me

hem.acharya said:
are you sure about the battery life part.. i got a bad battery life thats the reason why i flashed it back to froyo 2.2.2 ( 1.83 sbf ) .. if you are also using kenneth's beta release >> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1159385
and if u also talking abotu kenneth's beta one. fingerprint reader doesn't work for me
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I'm pretty sure is not talking about the ken release.

ohh so its all about the color scheme that's chosen now!!
neways I will wait till the official release
bit scared by the hard brick numbers

ayaskant12 said:
ohh so its all about the color scheme that's chosen now!!
neways I will wait till the official release
bit scared by the hard brick numbers
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You only hard brick if you try to do the OTA. If you use kennethpenn's method using CWM with an unlocked bootloader you'll have no problem.